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A07858 The hunting of the Romish foxe Presented to the popes holines, with the kisse of his disholy foote, as an odoriferous & redolent posie verie fit for his grauitie, so often as he walketh right stately, in his goodly pallace Bel-vidêre. Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1598 (1598) STC 1823; ESTC S101468 27,735 82

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Theologus absolutus Where now if it were not sacriledge to dispute of the Popes power as I haue proued it to be I would aske this one question why any soules abide in purgatory since a plenarie is sufficient for their discharge which for all that the Pope grauntteth vsually as a thinge verie frequent during mine owne aboade at Rome Is it because he cannot that is contrary to his owne doctrine Is it because it stādeth not with discretion there is asmuch discretion to doe it for the deade as for the liuing Is it because he will not so it seemeth and then he wanteth charitie as I haue already said The tenth Hound TEll me O Pope doth not thy sottish religion tell vs that thou maiest erre as a priuate man but not as Pope or a publicke Person as if it were saide thou maiest sitte in thy pontificalibus thou mayest ride vpon thy white Palfrey thou mayest talke and write they pleasure and that euen while thou art Pope and so vtter heresies and blasphemies whatsoeuer and yet for all that canst thou neuer teach or define any errour or heresie as beinge Pope indeede I wote it is so thy chiefest Doctors haue so tolde mee Vignerius hath these expresse wordes si dicatur summus pontifex errare potest in animo suo concipere aliquem articulum Orthodoxa fidei contrarium etiam priuatim proferre vt legitur de Anastasio secundo Si ergo posset nouum symbolum edore fides ecclesiae vnius hominis periculo subiaceret dicendum quod summus pontifex vt priuata persona errare potest non tamen vt est summus pontifex Ideo si vt priuata persona symbolum edere tentaret non esset symbolum maximè vbi a vera fide deuiaret If any say that the Poope may erre and conceiue in his hearte any article contrary to the Catholike faith and also vtter the same priuately as we read of Pope Anastatius the seconde If therefore hee coulde make a new creede the faith of the Church shoulde be subiecte to the hazzard of one man We answere saith Vignerius that the Pope may erre as a priuate person but not as Pope or the hie Byshoppe Therfore if hee should make a creede as a priuate man it should be no creede at all especially where hee swerued from the right faith Beholde here gentle reader vpon what rotten stuffe the Papistes woulde haue vs to ground our faith Wee must say they beleeue that the Pope cannot erre and yet are wee sure that hee can erre and that hee hath alreadie erred in verie deede Wee must likewise beleeue that he cannot but teach the truth and yet must we also beleeue that hee can both teach heresie and be an heretike himselfe VVe must furthermore beleeue as you haue already heard that it is sacriledge to dispute of the Popes power and yet must we both dispute of his power and straitly examine his doctrine as also know constantly whether he speaketh publiquely as a publike man or priuately as a priuate man And neuertheles when we haue done all that we can we know no more what to thinke or say of his doctrine then when we haue an E●le by the taile For when he shall tell me I must beleeue this and that then if hee speake as a priuate man where is my saith but let vs here the cry of some other houndes That famous papist Ioh●ures Gerson sometime the chancellor of Paris hath these expresse wordes hoc fecit latroni qui verisimiliier nondum compleuer at paenitentiam pro omnibu peccatis suis qui fuit illa hora propria beatificatus vidit deum facie ad faciem sicut sanctiin Paradiso Propter quod insuper apparet falsitas doctrinae papae Ioannis 22. quae damnata fuit cum souo buccinarum coram rege Philippoper Theologos Parisienses credidit potius Theologis Parisiensibus quam curiae This hee did to the theefe who by likelihoode had not yet accomplished pennance for all his sinnes who was blessed in that verye houre and sawe GOD face to face as doe the Saintes in Paradise by reason whereof further appeareth the falshoode of the doctrine of Pope Iohn which was condemned with the sounde of Trumpetes before king Phillippe by the diuines of Paris and the king beleeued the diuines of Paris rather then the court In which wordes we haue to note First that Maister Gerson auoucheth the theefe crucified with Christ to haue seen God face to face in that houre and so to haue beene blessed Secondly that he reproueth the false doctrine of Pope Iohn Thirdly that his doctrine was condemned with the sound of trumpets in the presence of the king of France Fourthly that the king gaue more credit to the diuines of Paris then to the iudgement of the Pope or court of Rome Fiftie that neither the king nor the learned Papists did at that time graunt to the Pope such power and authoritie as the Pope this day doth insolently chalenge to himselfe Sixtly that the Pope taught false doctrine euen in a weighty matter of saith Which thing not onely Gerson affirmeth together with the diuines of Paris as you haue heard but Pope Adrian himselfe testifieth the same as the zealous papist Alphonsus de castro reporteth in these expresse words sexta haeresis docet nullam animam ante diem iudicij esse beatam quum vt ait nulla anima an●e illum diem videt deum Huius haeresios authores sunt Armeni eandem etiā tuentur Greci post istos surrexit Iohannes 22. huius nominis pontifex Sed ne verbis meis aliquis in hac parte deroget verba Adriani papae referā qui in suo quarto sentētiarum in calce cuiusdam quaestionis de sacramento confirmationis it a ait nonissime fertur de Ioanne 22. quod publice docuit decla rauit ab omnibus teneri mandauit quod a nimae purgata aute finale indicium non habent solā quae est clara facialis visio dei vniuersitatem Parisiense ad hec induxisse dicitur quod nemo in ea poteraet gradum in Theologia adipisci nisiprimitus hunc errorem iurasset se defensurum per petuo ei adhaesurum Haec Adrianus The sixt heresie teacheth that no soule is in eternall blisse before the day of dome because as it saith no soule before that day seeth God the Armeni are the authors of this heresie and the Greekes holde the same After these rose vp Pope Iohn the 22. of that name But least any man distrust my words in this point I will receite the words of Pope Adrian who in his fourth booke of sentences in the ende of a certaine question of the sacrament of confirmation saith thus last of all it is reported of Pope Iohn the 22. that he publiquely taught declared commaunded all men to held this opinion that the soules of the iust haue not before the day
scrutetur perspicatius textum ac contextum scripturae si quadrare inuenerit laudet Deum qui non alligauit expositionem scripturarum sacrarum priscorum doctorum sensibus sed scripturae ipsi integrae sub catholicae ecclesiae censurae alioquin spes nobis ac posteris tolleretur exponendi scripturam sacram nisi transferendo vt ainnt de libro in quinternum If at any time a new sense occurre which is consonant to the text not dissonāt frō holy writt or doctrine of the Church although it swarne from the opinion of neuer so many fathers yet let the Readers iudge there of indifferentlye and according to equitie Let them remember to giue to euerie one his right because this priuiledge is onelie graunted to the writers of the holy scriptures that we must therfore beleue it to be so because they haue written so Let none therfore loath a newe sense of holie scripture because it dissenteth from the old Doctors but let him exactly consider the text and context of the scripture and if he find it to agree let him praise God who hath not tyed the exposition of the holy scriptures to the opinions of the olde Doctors but to the integritie of the scripture it selfe vnder the censure of the Catholique Church For otherwise neither we nor our posterities shall haue any hope to expound the scripture but onely to translate out of one booke into another Thus we heare the crye of a well mouthed hound to wit the verdict of our learned Caictain our great Thomist our religious fryer our Cardinall of Rome By whose graue resolution well worthy to be written in golden letters it is euident to euery child that no sense though neuerso new no exposition though neuer so strange no opinion though different from neuer so many fathers must or ought to be reiected if it be agreable to the holy scriptures And consequently it followeth by the said resolution that euerie trueth is to be tryed by the scriptures and none at all by the fathers Melchior Canus an other learned papist is of the selfe same opinion These are his expresse wordes Vbi ego si Thomistae omnes cum Scotist is existant si cum antiquis iuniores vellent contra me pugnare tamen superior sim necesse est non enim vt nōnulli putant omnia sunt in the logorum authoritate Wherein though all the Thomistes stand with the Scotists though the olde writers with the younge fight against me yet shall I of necessitie haue the vpper hande ouer them For all thinges doe not as some thinke rest in the authoritie of diuins And why shoulde any man depende vpon the iudgement of men seeing O Pope thine owne sweete Iesuite Bellarmine doth tell vs plainely that all Bishops doe so dissent among themselues and so swarue from the truth of the scripturs as he knoweth not in the worlde whom to followe These are his expresse wordes At sine dubio singuli episcopi errare possunt aliquando errant inter se quaudoque dissentiunt vt nesciamus quisnam eorum sequendus sit But without all doubt all Byshops may erre one after an other and they sometime doe erre and sometime dissent one from an other so as we cannot in the worlde tell whome it is best to followe Out of these wordes I note first that God who caused Balaams Asse to speake hath enforced our Iesuite against his will to confesse the truth I note secondly that there is no Bishoppe in the worlde but he both may erre and sometime doth erre and consequently that the Pope of Rome is eyther no Bishoppe at all by his owne Iesuites graunt or else that he both may erre and doth erre in deede Of which testimonie I make the the greater account because it proceedeth from a Iesuites mouth For none more forcible weapons can be vsed against the papistes then to beate them with their owne swordes I note thirdlie that by our Iesuites confession euerie Bishoppe hath so manie errours that the people cannot tell whom to followe I note fourthlie that since euerie auncient father both may erre and doth erre and that by popish grant there is no reason why the papistes shoulde vrge vs as they doe to stande to the censure of the fathers in euerie thing Nay they ought to giue vs leaue to examine their writinges Ad amussim scripturarum according to the true meaning of the scriptures because the greate papistes Caietanus Canus and Bellarminus doe all three graunte the same as is alreadie prooued Adde heereunto the sente of the nexte hounde The 16. Hound TEll me O Pope doest not thou take awaye all freedome and libertie graunted of olde time to all assemblies and synodes Doest not thou denie voyces and definitiue sentence to all persons in all counsels euen to the Emperour himselfe admitting none though neuer so learned but Bishoppes onely to iudge of doubtes in faith or religion doest not thou absente thy selfe from all counsels and yet reseruest all iudgement to thy selfe sitting in thy chaire at home doest thou not with all this take thy Bishops sworne euen when they are made Bishops to defende thy papall Tyranny and lawes whatsoeuer I wote it is so and I haue proued it in my booke of Motiues I will neuerthelesse in this place briefely shewe the same by the testimonie of three Romish Houndes The first hounde is Gregorie who was himselfe the late Bishoppe of Rome His expresse words in his decreetals are these Ego N. episcopus ab hac hora sidelis ero S. Petro sanctaeque Romanae ecclesiae dominoque meopapae N. eiusque successoribus Canonicè intrantibus sequitur papatum Romanae ecclesiae regulas sanctorum patrum adiutor ero ad defendendum retinndum contra omnes homines sic me Deus adiuuet haec sancta euangelia I Iohn Fisher Bishoppe will from this day forwarde be faithfull to saint Peter and to the holy Church of Rome and to my Lorde Boniface the Pope and to his successours chosen canonicallie and I will bee an helper to defende the popedome or papall authoritie and the rules of the holie fathers against all people so God me helpe and the holie Gospell Out of these wordes it may be easilie gathered that the decrees of late Romish counsels are in these our daies of no force at all The reason is euident because none but Bishops haue definitiue voyces in the saide counselles neyther can the saide Bishops decree any thing against eyther the Pope or the Church of Rome For as we see by the Popes tyrannicall constitution nowe alledged all Bishops are sworne to be faithfull to my Lorde the Pope and to defend whatsoeuer he hath set downe against all people in the worlde Te second hound is Bellarmine our Romish Iesuite whose expresse wordes are these Istum iuramentum non tollit Episcoporum libertatem quae in conciliis necessaria est iurant