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A62867
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An examen of the sermon of Mr. Stephen Marshal about infant-baptisme in a letter sent to him.
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Tombes, John, 1603?-1676.
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because_o than_o no_o other_o be_v capable_a of_o baptism_n in_o this_o perioch_n you_o grant_v many_o thing_n which_o do_v yield_v the_o cause_n for_o 1._o you_o say_v that_o both_o john_n and_o christ_n disciple_n and_o the_o apostle_n do_v teach_v before_o they_o baptize_v because_o than_o no_o other_o be_v capable_a of_o baptism_n now_o by_o this_o reason_n you_o confess_v 1._o that_o baptise_v of_o infant_n be_v not_o according_a to_o john_n and_o christ_n disciple_n and_o apostle_n practice_v 2._o you_o say_v than_o no_o other_o be_v capable_a of_o baptism_n now_o this_o be_v true_a either_o because_o then_o there_o be_v no_o child_n of_o believer_n that_o may_v be_v baptize_v but_o that_o be_v absurd_a that_o in_o all_o the_o time_n of_o john_n and_o the_o disciple_n and_o apostle_n ministry_n believer_n have_v no_o child_n to_o be_v baptize_v and_o contrary_a to_o the_o allegation_n of_o mark._n 10.14_o and_o other_o text_n or_o because_o they_o have_v no_o commission_n i_o can_v conceive_v how_o else_o your_o speech_n can_v be_v true_a but_o if_o john_n the_o disciple_n and_o apostle_n have_v no_o commission_n to_o baptize_v infant_n neither_o have_v we_o and_o so_o to_o do_v it_o neither_o have_v our_o minister_n any_o commission_n for_o we_o have_v no_o other_o commission_n to_o baptize_v than_o they_o have_v but_o you_o think_v to_o salve_v it_o thus_o but_o when_o once_o themselves_o be_v instruct_v and_o baptize_v than_o their_o child_n be_v capable_a of_o it_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o covenant_n upon_o which_o i_o observe_v 1._o if_o the_o child_n be_v capable_a when_o once_o parent_n be_v instruct_v and_o baptize_v than_o they_o be_v capable_a in_o john_n and_o the_o disciple_n and_o apostle_n time_n and_o so_o this_o speech_n overthrow_v that_o before_o that_o then_o no_o other_o but_o teach_v person_n be_v capable_a of_o baptism_n 2._o when_o you_o say_v the_o child_n be_v capable_a by_o virtue_n of_o the_o covenant_n it_o seem_v you_o can_v 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and_o then_o they_o have_v be_v appoint_v to_o circumcise_v male_n at_o eight_o day_n old_n not_o teach_v or_o to_o a_o new_a institution_n and_o then_o it_o will_v have_v be_v tell_v more_o plain_o what_o they_o be_v to_o circumcise_v and_o who_o and_o so_o they_o may_v have_v resolve_v themselves_o but_o what_o this_o make_v for_o baptism_n of_o infant_n i_o see_v not_o unless_o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o baptism_n and_o circumcision_n be_v all_o one_o which_o like_o the_o string_n in_o the_o lampry_n be_v a_o error_n that_o run_v along_o through_o your_o whole_a sermon_n baptism_n the_o next_o objection_n you_o thus_o express_v but_o it_o be_v express_o say_v that_o he_o that_o believe_v and_o be_v baptize_v shall_v bâ—_n save_v faith_n in_o christ_n be_v the_o condition_n upon_o which_o man_n may_v be_v baptize_v and_o this_o be_v the_o most_o common_a objection_n among_o the_o anabaptist_n unbeliever_n may_v not_o be_v baptize_v child_n be_v unbeliever_n therefore_o they_o may_v 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retentisque_fw-la memoriter_fw-la de_fw-la loco_fw-la eminentiore_fw-la in_o conspectu_fw-la populi_fw-la fidelis_fw-la romae_fw-la reddi_fw-la solet_fw-la ab_fw-la iis_fw-la qui_fw-la accessuri_fw-la sunt_fw-la ad_fw-la gratiam_fw-la tuam_fw-la etc._n etc._n last_o when_o it_o be_v come_v to_o the_o hour_n of_o profess_v the_o faith_n which_o be_v wont_n in_o certain_a word_n and_o get_v by_o heart_n to_o be_v render_v from_o a_o high_a place_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o the_o faithful_a people_n at_o rome_n by_o those_o that_o shall_v have_v access_n in_o thy_o grace_n and_o when_o it_o be_v offer_v he_o by_o the_o presbyter_n that_o if_o he_o will_v he_o may_v then_o make_v his_o confession_n more_o secret_o he_o refuse_v it_o and_o make_v his_o confession_n public_o with_o great_a acclamation_n but_o this_o be_v a_o thing_n confess_v by_o you_o pag._n 47._o and_o it_o be_v usual_o answer_v that_o this_o be_v only_o in_o the_o baptism_n of_o grow_v man_n but_o infant_n may_v be_v 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the_o whole_a strength_n embattle_v and_o not_o be_v put_v to_o weary_v out_o myself_o in_o read_v every_o pamphlet_n of_o which_o there_o be_v too_o many_o indigested_a one_o now_o adays_o print_v even_o with_o licence_n and_o for_o the_o buy_n of_o which_o as_o now_o my_o estate_n be_v i_o doubt_v whether_o my_o purse_n will_v furnish_v i_o if_o i_o may_v have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d daily_a bread_n for_o i_o and_o i_o in_o a_o narrow_a compass_n it_o will_v be_v as_o much_o as_o i_o may_v look_v for_o the_o small_a stipend_n i_o have_v be_v likely_a to_o be_v even_o now_o subtract_v if_o there_o be_v any_o willingness_n in_o you_o to_o have_v any_o conference_n with_o i_o to_o consult_v about_o a_o way_n of_o brotherly_a and_o peaceable_a ventilate_v this_o point_n i_o shall_v be_v ready_a upon_o notice_n to_o give_v you_o the_o meeting_n and_o i_o hope_v it_o shall_v appear_v that_o i_o shall_v not_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d stiff_o in_o opinion_n in_o case_n 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understanding_n in_o all_o thing_n thus_o pray_v from_o the_o house_n belong_v to_o the_o rectory_n of_o gabriel_n fanchurch_n in_o london_n december_n 7._o 1644._o deliver_v to_o he_o dec._n 9_o 1644._o your_o brother_n and_o fellow-servant_n in_o the_o work_n of_o christ_n john_n tomb_n inscribe_v thus_o to_o the_o reverend_a and_o worthy_a mr_n stephen_n martial_n b._n d._n these_o present_a as_o it_o be_v now_o print_v it_o be_v enlarge_v in_o sundry_a place_n occasion_v by_o sundry_a book_n publish_v since_o the_o first_o writing_n of_o it_o colossian_n 2.11_o 12._o prove_v not_o infant-baptisme_n a_o appendix_n to_o these_o treatise_n in_o a_o answer_n to_o a_o paper_n frame_v a_o argument_n for_o infant-baptisme_n from_o coloss._n 2.11_o 12._o sir_n your_o paper_n exhibite_v a_o argument_n for_o infant-baptisme_n in_o this_o form_n that_o may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v write_v without_o which_o that_o which_o be_v write_v can_v be_v true_a this_o i_o grant_v but_o that_o which_o be_v say_v colos._n 2.11_o 12._o of_o the_o completeness_n with_o respect_n to_o ordinance_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n can_v not_o be_v true_a unless_o baptism_n be_v to_o believer_n child_n as_o circumcision_n be_v of_o old_a because_o it_o can_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o completeness_n that_o believer_n have_v in_o christ_n for_o salvation_n for_o that_o the_o jew_n have_v in_o christ_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n but_o yet_o they_o have_v a_o token_n of_o the_o covenant_n to_o their_o child_n ergo_fw-la so_o they_o must_v now_o or_o else_o that_o can_v be_v true_a answ._n this_o argument_n suppose_v sundry_a thing_n whereof_o somewhat_o be_v true_a somewhat_o false_a 1._o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o believe_a jew_n be_v complete_a in_o christ_n for_o salvation_n for_o so_o be_v david_n abraham_n etc._n etc._n who_o be_v justify_v by_o faith_n rom._n 4._o gal._n 3._o heb._n 11._o 2._o it_o suppose_v that_o the_o apostle_n colos._n 2.11_o 12._o mention_n baptism_n to_o show_v that_o we_o be_v as_o complete_a as_o the_o jew_n in_o respect_n of_o outward_a ordinance_n whereas_o the_o apostle_n speak_v not_o vers_n 10._o of_o completeness_n by_o reason_n of_o outward_a ordinance_n but_o say_v we_o be_v complete_a in_o christ_n without_o outward_a ordinance_n and_o that_o be_v his_o very_a argument_n to_o dissuade_v they_o from_o embrace_v the_o jewish_a ordinance_n vers_fw-la 8._o yea_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o the_o apostle_n make_v the_o jew_n incomplete_a by_o reason_n of_o their_o outward_a ordinance_n and_o that_o it_o be_v our_o completeness_n that_o we_o have_v all_o in_o christ_n without_o outward_a ordinance_n vers_fw-la 17._o nor_o do_v the_o apostle_n mention_n baptism_n to_o show_v that_o we_o be_v equal_a to_o the_o jew_n in_o outward_a ordinance_n for_o the_o apostle_n assertion_n be_v that_o we_o be_v complete_a in_o christ_n exhibit_v without_o outward_a ordinance_n and_o so_o the_o better_a for_o want_v of_o they_o but_o to_o show_v how_o we_o put_v on_o christ_n and_o so_o be_v complete_a in_o he_o and_o therefore_o he_o mention_n faith_n as_o well_o as_o baptism_n as_o in_o like_a manner_n he_o do_v gal._n 3.26_o 27._o rom._n 6.3_o etc._n etc._n beside_o if_o that_o by_o be_v baptize_v we_o be_v complete_a in_o outward_a ordinance_n than_o we_o need_v no_o other_o ordinance_n and_o consequent_o the_o lord_n supper_n shall_v be_v needless_a 3._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o circumcision_n be_v a_o token_n of_o the_o covenant_n to_o their_o child_n but_o this_o be_v ambiguous_a in_o some_o sense_n it_o be_v true_a in_o some_o sense_n it_o be_v not_o true_a it_o be_v a_o token_n of_o the_o covenant_n make_v to_o abraham_n to_o wit_n first_o that_o god_n make_v such_o a_o covenant_n with_o abraham_n second_o that_o god_n require_v they_o to_o keep_v the_o condition_n of_o it_o but_o it_o be_v not_o true_a in_o these_o sense_n first_o that_o every_o person_n circumcise_v or_o to_o be_v circumcise_v of_o right_n have_v a_o title_n to_o the_o promise_n of_o the_o covenant_n second_o that_o this_o title_n to_o the_o promise_n of_o the_o covenant_n be_v the_o reason_n why_o they_o be_v circumcise_v 4._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o if_o our_o child_n have_v not_o a_o token_n of_o the_o covenant_n now_o as_o the_o jew_n have_v that_o it_o can_v be_v true_a that_o we_o be_v complete_a as_o the_o jew_n but_o there_o be_v not_o a_o shadow_n of_o proof_n for_o it_o in_o the_o text._n and_o it_o be_v ground_v on_o these_o false_a assertion_n first_o that_o the_o jew_n child_n be_v in_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n because_o they_o be_v abraham_n natural_a seed_n second_o that_o a_o believer_n child_n now_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n because_o they_o be_v a_o believer_n child_n which_o thing_n be_v express_o contrary_a to_o rom._n 9.6_o 7_o 8._o 5._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o the_o jew_n have_v salvation_n by_o christ_n have_v also_o a_o completeness_n by_o outward_a ordinance_n it_o be_v true_a that_o compare_v with_o the_o gentile_n that_o serve_v dumb_a idol_n they_o be_v complete_a by_o reason_n of_o outward_a ordinance_n for_o their_o outward_a ordinance_n do_v shadow_n christ_n to_o come_v and_o so_o do_v not_o the_o rite_n of_o the_o gentile_n but_o compare_v with_o christian_n since_o christ_n manifest_v in_o the_o flesh_n so_o they_o be_v incomplete_a in_o respect_n of_o outward_a ordinance_n and_o so_o the_o apostle_n determine_v gal._n 4.1_o 2_o 3._o 6._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o without_o a_o succession_n of_o some_o ordinance_n in_o stead_n of_o circumcision_n we_o be_v not_o complete_a in_o christ_n or_o at_o least_o not_o so_o complete_a as_o the_o jew_n but_o this_o i_o account_v to_o be_v false_a and_o very_o dangerous_a 1._o false_a because_o it_o be_v contrary_a