QUAKERISME The path-way to PAGANISME Or A Vieu of the Quakers Religion BEING An Examination of the Theses and Apologie of Robert Barclay one of their number published lately in latine to discover to the World what that is which they hold and owne for the only true Christian Religion By JOHN BROWN Minister of the Gospel Printed for Iohn Cairns and other Booksellers in EDINBURGH ANNO MDC LXXVIII An EPISTLE to the READER CHRISTIAN READER Having in the following Discourse given as the Lord was pleased to helpe at some length yet with as much brevitie as the matter would suffer and thy good and edification which I was called to consult would permit my poor Testimony unto those precious Truths which are trode upon by this late Upstart generation of Quakers I shall not detaine thee long in the entrie Only let me say That as this impendent Pestilentious Cloud of Heathenish and Hellish Darkness which the Devil by the ministrie of these Locusts only Masculine in Malice against Christ being the very impure Spawn of perfect Antichristian Enmitie to our Lord Jesus his Person Offices Work Institutions and to the Whole of the blessed Gospel and in consonancy to that Hel-hatched designe breathing forth nothing but that putrid Poison that innate Serpentine Venome of manifest and mad Opposition to all the Mysteries of God concerning our Salvation which as they have implanted in them from their Father the Devil that it may appeare they are his very Children by working his works so they endeavoure to propagate to others hath now exhaled out of the bottomless Pit and by their Activity and Diligence Assisted by his Art and Prompted by his Spirit brought unto this Prevalency of darkening our Horizon and infecting so many even of such of whom sometimes better things were expected should as upon the one hand make all of us look back with griefe and fix our eyes upon our misimproving and abusing the faire day of the Gospel that we enjoyed until our eye affect our heart and we in the conviction of our hainous guilt in this matter the Nature and Aggravations of which are clearly enough seen in this judicial stroke which carrieth a Proportion both as to Kind and Degree with the Sin and is therefore much more dreadful then Famine Sword and Pestilence would be become humbled and sorrowful after a godly manner so upon the other hand the consideration hereof should raise in us a more high esteem for the Precious Interests of Jesus Christ and kindle in us more godly Zeal for his Truths Cause and make us heartily receive not only the Truth but the love of the Truth that we may be saved for the neglect of which Duty it was foretold and threatned 2 Thes. 2 11 12. that for this cause God shall send strong delusion that they to wit who received not the love of the truth should beleeve a lie that they all might be damned who beleeved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness When the Lion is roaring ought not we to tremble When the Jealous and Righteous God is sending on a generation of Undervaluers and Despisers of the great inestimable benefite of the Everlasting Gospel a sader stroke than his three great Plagues would be that should make populous Countreys and Cities waste and without Inhabitants in a very short time what Christian heart will not tremble and be afraied When the Lord sends upon a Land his three great Messengers of wrath which can but destroy the Body that must at length however return to the dust are not all called to consider their wayes and to turn unto the Lord How much more are we now called hereunto when the Lord is saying I will also chuse their delusions and is giving many up unto this Spirit of Delusion and Apostasie whereby some that have been formerly enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift c. put themselves under that terrible impossibility whereof the Apostle speaketh Heb. 6 6. Of being renewed againe unto Repentance seing they crucifie to themselves the Son of God afresh and put him to an open shame and under that dreadful sentence Heb. 10 26. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for sinnes but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation which shall devoure the Adversaries and under that much sorer punishment ibid. vers 29. which they shall be thought worthy of who have troden under foot the Son of God and have counted the bloud of the Covenant wherewith He was sanctified an unholy thing and have done despite unto the Spirit of grace For I know not if ever there was a Seck of Hereticks and Apostats from the Truth once received since the Apostasie of the Iewes unto whom these passages are more truely and emphatically applicable than to the Apostat Quakers who at length shall know how fearful a thing it is to fall into the hands of the living God though now they be so bold wicked in their way that it is not enough for them to Apostatize from the Truth but they must also with a furious madness persecute the same Truth which their souls do now hate with their blasphemous mouthes and pens and with their railings and Rabshakeh-language reproach the Wayes of God and all who follow the same Sure I am a due pondering of the desperat Designe pernicious Wayes hellish Doctrine wicked Practices which these Emissaries of Satan project and follow-forth with a stupenduous activity should affect us otherwayes than alas we seem to be at present What are we asleep Are we not crying to the Lord night and day that he would arise and vindicate His own Truth when an enraged company of Runagadoes are destroying so far as they can the whole of our Religion and driving us back to Paganisme and betraying the whole of our sacred Interest into the hands of their Master the Devil Can we hear our blessed Lord and Saviour thus blasphemed as he is by this Paganish Antievangelick Seck of Quakers and not be so much moved with Indignation against them as even Turks who blasphemously assert our Lord to be no more than a Prophet inferiour to their deceiver Mahomet would be of whose just severity in punishing a Iew who in his rage striving with a Christian did blaspheme the blessed name of Iesus of Nazareth according to the sentence of one of their Muftees we have heard and found standing on record to the shame of Christians who have not so much Zeal for Him whom they profess to owne for the true and living God and for the only Son of God and Saviour of Man as Turks have for a Prophet of God Thus it ought not to be and a redress is called for at the hands of one and other according to their Place and Station And however it is the duty of all who love our Lord Jesus Christ and hope to see His face one
body the Church Ephes. 5 23. And againe Quaest 68. Are all the Elect only effectually called Ans. All the Elect and they only are effectually called Act 13 48. Although others may be and often are outwardly called by the ministry of the word Mat. 2â— 14. and have some common operations of the Spirit Mat. 7 22. 13 20 21. Heb. 9 4 5. who for their wilfull neglect and contempt of the grace offered to them being justly left in their unbeleef do never truely come to Iesus Christ Ioh. 12 38 39 40. Act 28 25 26 27. Ioh. 6 64 65. Psal. 81 11 12. 10. When the Gospel cometh to a place there is ground of hope that God hath some lost groat or other to finde out by the light thereof for it being the Gospel of Salvation and by it the Lord bringing life and immortality to light and it being the mean appointed and designed of God for this end to bring in the chosen ones there is ground to suppose that the Lord hath some elected ones in that place moe or fewer And though as to the intention of God and as it is the meanes designed of Lord whereby to effectuate the purpose he hath of saving such as he hath designed unto life it be properly sent to gather them in yet considering it as containing the revealed will of God and pointing forth duty and as it is put into the hands of men who know not the secret Counsels of God nor whose names are writen in the book of life whose not it concerneth all that hear it and all are bound in obedience to the command of the great God in the mouth of his authorized Ambassadours to believe and obey the Gospel And when obedience is not yeelded thereunto the righteous God because of the refusal of the offer and the contempt done to the grace of God in that refusal either taketh away the Gospel leaving that people in darkness and in an irremediable case by Non-churching or Excommunicating them as he threatned to do to Ephesus Revel 2 to Laâ—dicea Rev 3 and did to the Iewes when he cut them off and hath done to several other Churches sometimes â—amous for Christianity And where he continuâ—th the Light of the Gospel after much contempt there being of his Elect there whom he will not want but with much long suffering for the glory of his Grace waite for he hath other spiritual judgments wherewith even in this side of Eternity he punisheth such contemptuous offenders whose life natural he may spare for a time by giving them up to hardness of heart judicially blinding them giving them up to the power of Unbeleefe and to spiritual Security and Deadness so that no preaching can pierce them no Meanes can prevaile with them no Motives can move or perswade them no Threatnings can awaken them or rouze them out of their sleep So that the Lord dealeth with them according as it is written Esai 6 9 10. Mat 13 14. Mark 4 v. 12. Luk. 8 10. Ioh. 12 40. Act. 28 26. Rom. 11 8. maketh their eyes heavy and shutteth their eyes c. or as it is written Esa. 29 10. Rom. 11.8 poureth out upon them the Spirit of a deep sleep and closeth their eyes or as it is written Psal. 81 12. giveth them up to their owne hearts lust or as it is Psal. 6â— 22. maketh their table a snare or as it is 2 Thes. 2 10 11 12. giveth them up to all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish and sendeth them strong delusion that they shall believe a lie that they may be damned who beleeved not the truth or saith to them as Revel 22 11. He that is unjust let him be unjust still and he that is filthy let him be filthy still And though such judgments may be inflicted upon some that live and die under the drop of the Gospel yet it may well be said as to these on whom the Lord poureth out these judgments that the day of their Visitation and hope is at an end But yet though the consideration of this may and should make the Faithful Labourer in the work of the ministry when ready to complaine and cry out that he hath laboured in vaine and hath spent his strength for nought and in vaine Esai 49 4. lay his hand upon his mouth and adore knowing withall that his judgment is with the Lord and his work with his God ibid. and that he is unto God a sweet savour of Christ even in them that perish and to whom he is the savoure of death unto death 2 Cor. 2 15 16. Yet notwithstanding because it is not certain who are the particular persons who are thus judicially smitten of God he should minde his duty and preach the word be instant in season out of season reprove rebuke exhort with all long suffering and doctrine 2 Tim. 4 2. and be patient in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil who are taken captive by him at his will 2 Tim. 2 24 25 26. And others also who are even in a more private capacity should save some with fear pulling them out of the fire Iud vers 23. Not do we hereby give allowance to any to despond or despaire who hear the Gospel for the Lord hath his own time of coming the door standeth open that whosoever will may be encouraged to come forward for Christ in no wise casteth out any that cometh Ioh. 6 37. the invitation is Free Large whosoever will let him take of the water of life freely Revel 22 17. Though with all we must say that word Heb. 6 4 5 6 7. may strick terrour into the hearts of many for it is impossible for those that were once enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the holy Ghost and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the world to come if they shall fall away to renew them againe unto repentance seing they crucifie to themselves the Son of God afresh and put him to an open shame for the earth which drinketh in the raine that cometh oft upon it and bringeth forth herbes meet for them by whom it is dressed receiveth blessing from God but that which beareth thorns briers is rejected is near unto cursing whose end is to be burned 11. But as concerning that possibility which this Quaker dreameth of whereby it is concluded or presupposed that every Mothers son of the Posterity of Adam have Power and Ability Moral I say moral that no man may think I speak here of the meer faculties of the soul Understanding Will to beleeve and obey the Gospel or can of themselves beleeve without the Spirit of God and his mighty operation enlightening the Understanding savingly and renewing the Will and causing by the influence
science wherein I know none more expert and skilled than are our Quakers He may read Calvin on the place if he will And for a close to this How great a prejudice so ever he hath against Philosophy yet in the primitive times Christians who had been Philosophers was not by their Philosophy less fitted but more to defend the truth against heathen Philosophers as Iustin Martyr against Valentinus Tertullian against Marcion Origen against Celsus Chrysostome against Libanius and Prudentius against Symmachus 10. The last part of humane literature which he inveigheth against is that which is called Scholastical Theology by which I suppose he meaneth that only which now commonly goeth under that name as distinct from Polemick divinity handling controversies debated betwixt the orthodox and heretical or erroneous persons such as Pelagians Socinians Arminians Anabaptists Antinomians Quakers and the rest And as to it I shall say no more than I have said Chap. 1. § 12. and suffer him to go on in his ranting Only I must take notice of some expressions which he hath here and there in this discourse Though I cannot understand how Origen should be among the first who by this art gave himself to interpret Scriptures nor how hereby Arius fell into his errour seing this Theology is commonly commenced from Peter Lombard yet I am glade to hear him Pag. 201. calling that heresie of Arius who denyed the Son to be equal with the Father in power and glory and of the same essence horride for many of his Brethren the Quakers either doubt of or directly deny the Trinity Yea Mr Clapham in his book against the Quakers Sect. 3. tels us they call this doctrine a lie and citeth for it Saul's errand to Damascus p. 12. and the sword of the Lord drawn p. 4. And in this if he thinketh as he speaketh I would know how he will reconcile himself unto them but it may be he taketh Father Son and holy Ghost for one Person as well as for one essence as some other Quakers do He speaketh like a Quaker that is calumniously when he saith § 22. that this knowledge is accounted a necessary qualification for a Minister when the pure teaching of the Spirit of truth is contemned He may speak thus if he thinketh good against his old friends the Iesuites for we are for the teaching of the Spirit and preferre it to all other whatsomever but we are for the teaching of the Spirit in the way he hath appointed that is by waiting upon him in his ordinances meditating on his word and useing all other lawful meanes to come to the right understanding of his meaning in his word especially prayer But we dar not with this deluded bold generation tempt the Lord by looking for immediat Revelations and laying aside all Meanes and Ordinances in coming to the saving knowledge of his Name as revealed in the Gospel of his Son Jesus Christ. We account it also a calumny for him to say ibid. that he who is to be a Minister must lairne the airt of playing a hookster in the word because we say he must attend unto reading of what is written for the understanding of Scripture And whereas he thinketh the Devil could make as good a sermon as the most learned I only demand and may he not also make as good a discourse without book as they do I fear he hath too great a hand in all their discourses and scriblings too 11. What he saith Pag. 202. § 23. is but a groundless commendation of their way and of themselves as the only men raised up of God to be witnesses foâ— him If they have shaken the foundations of Babylon as he saith how cometh it that Babylon and they are so well agreed and that in principal matters as 1. In vilifying the Ministers of Christ and calling them deceivers 2. Denying our Churches to be true Churches 3. In calling the Scriptures but a dead letter 4. In denying it to be the judge of controversies 5. In refuseing to have all Spirits tryed by the written word 6. In crying up the sufficiency of a common light within 7. In maintaining Free will 8. Perfection 9. Apostasie of the Saints 10. Justification by inherent holiness 11. In confounding Justification and Sanctification 12. In mocking at the â—mputed righteousness of Christ. 13. In placeing holiness in outward observations of their owne deviseing 14. In Pretending so much to Revelations Visions Raptures c. 15. In pretending to Infallibility As for the Increase of their number whereof he boasteth it is a clear verification of that 2 Thes. 2 9 10 11 12. whoâ—e coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signes and lying wonders with all deceivablenes of unrighteousness in them that perish because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness Wâ—at he talketh further of his owne experience of the power of their discourses is but a further demonstration of what we said to wit of his being given up to strong delusion as this volumne of his putteth beyond all question with such as believe the Scriptures And for a recompense of his exhortation to us in the close I shall also obtest him in the Lord to consider his wayes over againe and search after the procuring cause of this dreadful judgment of the Lord 's giving him to up to those delusions that he may repent and be saved for what high thoughts soever he may now have of that way he will finde his delusion in end either here which I shall wish or when it shall be too late which the Lord prevent in mercy CHAP. XIX Of the Ministerial Office 1. WHen our Quaker beginneth to speak of this matter Pag 203. § 24. he followeth his usual manner of crying up themselves and loading all their Opposites with what expressions of disrespect and contempt he thinketh meet We are the men with him as the orthodox were of old with the Swenkfeldians Familists and Antinomians who alwayes adhere to Externals following our External Rule and Methods devised by our carnal and humane Wisdom because we follow and desire to cleave unto the Rules and Methods and all the Orders prescribed by Christ to be observed in his owne House And upon the other hand They are the men who follow the wayes of the Spirit and his immediat Help and Influence and he leadeth them as he saith in such an Order and Methode as becometh the Church of God though this order and methode of theirs wherein they suppose the Spirit leadeth them be no prescribed Order in the word but the meer Invention of their owne fantastick â—raine blasphemously Fathered upon the Immediat Teaching and Leading of the Spirit of God for we know no ground to imagine that the true Spirit of God will lead
They deny Magistrats to be lawful who are not of their way 11 45. Of Liberty of Conscience 1. They plead for libery to all errours 501 2. Magistrates say they may not hinder people to meet together to Worshipe God as they judge best 505 3. Otherwayes they sinne against the nature of the Gospel 508 4. And against sound Reason the Law of Nature 511 5. The old Lawes for punishing of Idolaters they say no more binde us then the Jewes killing of the Canaanites or their taking gold c. from the Egyptians 509 510 46. Of Wâ—rs 1. They are against all wars 514. c. 47. Of Lawful Oaths 1. They are against swearing before Magistrates 523. c. 2. Swearing by the Name of God of old was as they say a ceremony 525 526 527 3. Oaths say they did prefiguâ—e God's truth and fidelity 528 4. And had their rise from the Devil 528 5. Christ might swear say they as being under the Law not we who are under the Gospel 529 6. They say we ought not to regard what Paul did as to this even in his Epistles 530 7. Yet they will swear but not upon a book nor by lifting up the hâ—nd 529 530 48. Of Civil Honour 1. They are against the giving of all honour or respect to Superiours or Equals 533. c. 2. Christians say they may not give nor receive titles of honour 537 3. They use no other compellation for all persons but Thou Thee 539 4. They will salute no person nor signify any respect by uncovering the head 540 5. They account this adoration yet their first Father Iames Naylor received Divine Worship at Bristol 541 542 49. Of the Resurrection 1. They deny the Resurrection of the same body 17 552 553 50. Of Heaven and Hell 1. They assert no Heaven or Hell but what is within us 553 554 AN Examination and Confutation of ROBERT BARCLAY The QUAKER his Theses Apologie CHAP. I. Some remarks upon his Preface to his THESES 1. BEfore this Author come to set downe his Theses he premiteth a Preface wherein 1. He giveth us the Title inscription of them 2. He sheweth to whom he doth particularly make his address or to whom he directeth these his Theses to be considered or confuted 3. He is pleased to prevent our mistake to give us a description of himself their Author And 4 We have his prologue or preliminary discourse to those unto whom he addresseth himself 2. I shall not so far preoccupy the judgment of the Reader in the threshold as to shew demonstrate that his Theses which he stileth Theological might more fitly truely be called Ethnical or if you will Diabolical for upon the review of the whole after the ensueing examen this will appeare so manifest as if written with a sun-beame to all not blinded with prejudice who believe the Word of God close with it as our only Rule of Faith Practice 3. His Theses he directeth to all Clerks or clergymen or what he will have us understand by Clericis for thus he loveth to speak whether Ironically as he supposeth we call him others of his way Quakers out of contempt disdain or upon any other account I leave every man to judgâ— But what Clerks are these To Clerks sayeth he of all sorts of the whole Christian world Whereby it is obvious that he acknowledgeth a Christian world in which are Clergy-men of various kindes to which he himself others whom he here Patronizeth do not belong for he speaketh of them all as belonging to another Profession than what he his fraternity hold and while he thus manifestly excludeth himself his party from the Christian world every one may freely judge to what a world he they must needs belong It is ominous to stumble thus in the very threshold But whom doth he meane by these Clericis The following words will not suffer us to think that he meaneth all the people of God nor will the expressions themselves admit that because these Clerici must be but apart of the Christian world And if he understand hereby Church-officers as distinct from Church-members he joyneth herein with Papists against Protestants who account the whole Church not the Officers thereof only as do Papists to be God's Clergy or Heritage as doth the Apostle Peter 1 Pet 5 3. 4. More especially in the next place he directeth them to Doctors Professors Students of Theology and this I cannot but think is spoken indeed ironically for in his esteem it is not true Theologie which is taught by these Doctors Professours learned by these Students and that we may know who these all Doctors c. are he addeth in all the Academies of Europe whether Popish or Protestant what his designe hereby is cannot be hid for who seeth not that he intendeth his Theses as a chartal to provoke them or any of them all to a disput which must needs argue too great an excess of blinde confidence in this Man and withal there is a subdolous Insinuation here manifest for hereby he would make the world believe that his opinions are equally different from repugnant to the Popish Abominations to the Protestant Truth which is a shreud presumption that his ensueing doctrine will not savoure much of Christian candor seing it is so obvious shall be made manifest ere all be done that his opinions homologate more with the Popish than with the Protestant doctrine And if a provocation to dispute were not here intended why would he direct his Theses more especially to Professours Students in Academies not equally unto all Christians in common as charity would require of one who should intend the common good that is the edefication right information of such as he supposeth to be out of the way But I am apt to think and it may be every one shall judge me not far mistaken in this that this confident brag was resolved upon to the end common people might hear that such a Quaker had provoked all the learned men of Europe to a disput none durst enter the lists to fight with this Goliah thence suspect if not conclude that the Quakers are the only maintainers owners of Truth their sayings must be all unquestionable irrefragable Assertions But the judicious learned may at the first see there is little cause to be moved at all this confidence there being so little said hereby him which hath not been examined condemned both from Scripture found Reason by the faithfull asserters of the orthodox truth writting against the Pelagians Arminians Socinians Enthusiasts Anabaptists Papists others to whom alone he is obliged for all that he hath said whether in his Theses or in his large Apologie Vindication that before he was borne So that once to take notice of what he hath here scraped-together out of the writings of the Heterodox
might seem a rejecting of the wise mans counsel Prov. 26 4. answere not a fool according to his follie lest thou also be like unto him But the consideration of the humore of these men will enforce a compliance with what the Spirit of the Lord in by the same wise man sayeth Vers. 5. answere a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his owne conceit and the simplicity of some who are ready to believe every thing set off with such art and cunning as these men study and the pronenesse of many in this generation to a relinquishing of the received Truth will in some sort necessitate an examination of what this late Disciple now Patron of the Quakers hath so say in his owne in their defence Notwithstanding that the beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water that therefore it were better to leave off his contention before it be medled with yet upon the forementioned considerations to establish such as it may be are staggering or ready to be shaken others who desire further clearing of their own confirmation in the Truth I shall through the help of the God of Truth howbeit I be none of those whom he particularly here describeth as the men he would fainest deal with adventure to discover what evill apprehend to lye wrapped up in his fifteen Theses in his large book entituled an Apologie written for futher confirmation explication of his Theses and that in the language best understood by our countrey men whom I judge most in hazard by these mens doctrine leaving such of those he most particularly bespeaketh in his preface as shall judge it convenient to edification to emit in latine a discovery of his pernicious but groundless errours 5. He stileth himself a Servant of the Lord God upon what true account I know not unless upon the same account that all the works of creation beare that Title Psal. 119 9â— which yet if we consider his work may be very much questioned seing he endeavoureth so much as a Servant of Satan rather to darken deface so far as he can the glory of that God whom the works of creation after their kinde extol But if he speak thus upon a more special account as some will confidently believe he doth he must not be offended if I desire to see his credentials that it may appear he taketh not that honour to himself but is called thereunto as all are who run not unsent It is no strange thing for this sort of Fanaticks a sort of men truly such Enthusiasts to pretend to immediat missions to assume this stile to themselves the history of the Anabaptists in Munster in other places of Germany Helvetia will not suffer us to forget this Thomas Muncer stiled himself so in his letters Melchior Hoffman would needs be called accounted an Apostle from heaven and what blasphemous titles David Georg did assume to himself is sufficiently known It is obvious enough what moâ—ed the former Fanaticks unto this what this man designeth by arrogating to himself this stile but reason will require that we try such Impostors before we trust that we have clear manifest evidences of his divine call who cometh with a new doctrine a new Gospel Nay I think it will be saifest for us to hearken to Paul saying Gal. 1 8 9. But though we or an Angel from heaven preach any other Gospel to you than that which we have preached unto you let him be accursed as we said before so say I now againe if any man preach any other Gospel unto you than that you have received let him be accursed And this ground abiding firm we need not auxiously enquire after the nature quality of this mans call for be he Man or Angel an Apostle or any Other Person the other Gospel or Antigospel which he preacheth in his Theses Book discovereth the cursedness of his Call Imployment I wish we all more minded what our Lord said Mat. 7 15-20 Beware of false Prophets c. 6. Moreover in his single Theses he calleth himself one also of these who are ironically as he supposeth called Quakers but I finde that he leaveth out this particular in the second edition of his Theses premitted to his large Apologie whether as ashamed thereof or upon whatever other account I leave to others to judge I need not descant upon the Name nor use many words to shew the appositness of its application or the grounds thereof seing it is sufficiently known how at the beginning of their appearance they used while at their meetings to be strangly affected with Quakings Shakings Tremblings Foamings at the mouth other such like Unusual Motions of the body Others of his perswasion rather owne this title as disowne it wâ—ile they maintaine the thing look upon it as an effect of the same power that made Moses to quake shake tremble saying that Moses was a Quaker so Richard Farnworth in his Returne to the Priests about Beverly as he stiled his book Pag. 14. as also in his writings against Mr. Stalham saying Thou speaks against the power of God that worketh effectually in his people as it did in Moses Habbakuk David Paul others c. Insinuating that as they are all Prophets immediatly inspired so they are made to quake the same way that Moses Habbakuk the rest were Nay himself giveth us this account of the matter in his Apology Pag. 230.231 That from the inward birth while the darkness striveth to obscure the light breaketh through the darkness there ariseth great trouble in the soul which affecteth even the outward Man so as that by these workings ofttimes the body is wonderfully shaken many sighs groanes are emitted yea as it were the paines of a woman in travail are felt and this not only in one person alone but in the whole meeting so that every one fighting against this power of darkness being moved with the motions of contrary waves are exercised as in a day of battel thus trembling motions of the body seize upon all And then he tels us that hence came the name Quakers whereof though they did not choose it to themselves yet they are not ashamed but rather rejoyce that they are made sensible of this power And seing it is so why he should account this name ironically attributed to them I know not especially seing it is the most apposite characteristick that can be expressing in a signal manner that which they account their glory which manifestly distinguisheth them from all other Secks which we know now a dayes But passing this I only observâ— from thence That he clearly intimateth a distinct party of which he accounteth himself a member withal giveth us no other name by which they should be called who make up that distinct Seck and therefore till he helpe us to a more apposite characteristical
preaching to save them that believe and make it their work to preach Christ crucified even Christ the power of God and the wisdome of God And on the other hand what enemies to Christ to his Cross to the Preaching of His Truth and to all His Ordinances he and his party are we may have occasion to shew ere all be done And I am not afrayed to say that they will be found among the Chief Enemies of the cross of Christ howbeit he would faine equalize them to the Apostles whom I supposeth he meaneth by the fisher men he mentioneth Hereby also we can see that this new Seck would faine become yea make themselves the only Compurgators of all that hithertil hath been written in Theology and from them alone we must expect the indices expurgatorii which will only except or reserve some writings of Papists Pelagians Semipelagians Arminians Enthusiasts Anabaptists Perfectionists Antiscripturists Libertines and of such as are against the Ministery and the Ordinances of Christ or some special pieces of their writings which serve to confirme his sentiments which are an Hotch Potch made up of the Quintessence of all these and for the rest that any way contradict him they will have but one sentence and censure passed against them viz all is naught It is remarkable also that according to this Mans judgment the pure and naked Truth of god was never unfolded and declared until this Generation of Quakers arose and if some of themselves be to be believed it is far from half an age since they appeared in our Horizon which neither agreeth with truth nor with himself 16. He tels the Clergy That God thrust downe the wise men c. and hath chosen some few despicable and unlearned persons as to Scholastick learning as he did of old fishermen to publish his pure and naked truth by whom no doubt he meaneth himself and his fraternity for which we have nothing but his own assertion If their call be thus immediate and extraordinary it can be evidenced by such characters of credentials as may rationally satisfie any man concearning it and what these characters are I would gladly understand The Apostle Paul hath told us that the Spirit speaketh expresly that in the later times some shall depairt from the faith giving heed to seduceing Spirits and doctrines of devils speaking lies in hypocrisie having their consciences seared with an hote yron 1 Tim. 4 1 2. And how fitly this will quadrate with this sort of men the sequel will evince The same Apostle hath told us in that same Epistle Chap. 5 3 4 5. That who ever consent not to wholesome words the words of our Lord Iesus Christ and to the doctrine which is according to godliness is proud or a fool as the margine hath it knowing nothing but doteing about questions and strifes of words whereof cometh envy striâ—e railings evil surmiseings perverse disputings of men of corrupt mindes and destitute of the truth supposeing that gaine is godliness from which he adviseth Timothy and us all in him to with draw He describeth also in his second Epistle a sort of men whom he would have shuned saying Chap. 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. This know also that in the last dayes perillous times shall come for men shall be lovers of their own selves covetous boasters proud blasphemers disobedient to Parents unthankful unholy without natural affection trucebreakers false accusers or make bates as it is in the margine incontinent fierce despisers of those that are good traitours heady high minded lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God having the forme of godliness but denying the power thereof from such turne away for of this sort are they which creep into houses and lead captive silly women laden with sins led away with diverse lusts ever learning and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth And how appâ—sitely these all or the most of them agree to this generation of Men a few words might evince if it were my present business But all that I now designe is to evince a necessity laid upon us to try Pretenders before we trust them especially such pretenders as are thus described by the Apostle 17. As concearning these fisher men he mentioneth and to whom he compareth himself and his complices by whom I imagine he meaneth the Apostles except Paul who was no fisher man but was learned being brought up at the feet of Gamaliel I would enquire at him if he thinketh that they did publish the naked and pure truth If so he must know that we desire only to follow that as we have it recorded to us in the Scriptures of truth which he and his party do not much value And I would ask further How it cometh to pass that there is such a discrepancy and contradiction betwixt what these Apostles did teach and what he and the rest of the Quakers do teach Truth sure and pure and naked truth cannot be contrary to it self And if he say that there is no difference betwixt his doctrine and the truth delivered by the Apostles he must not be offended if we try the same by their writings and make use of what light within we have to this effect 18. It is not enough for him falsly to accuse all thaâ— have written of Theology of darkning and obscuring the truth but he must also usurpe the throne of God and judge of the heart and intentions of men for he alleidgeth that this was their end That the poor common people might admire them and maintaine them which carryeth as little truth in it as it evidenceth Christian charity in the asserter But we must not storme at such reflexions from the men whose woâ—ks declare what Spirit they are of Nor shall I retaliat though I might nor enquire what way they are maintained it is enough that there are shreud presumptions that their stock lyeth at Rome 19. Whatever we think of them they will needs look upon themselvs as the only called and authorized dispensers of the Gospel for he sayeth that God hath made choise of some few despicable and illiterate persons to publish the pure and naked truth and among the rest of himself to be a dispenser of this Gospel So that among them all are equal administrators and dispensers of this their Gospel for they have no select officers especially set apart for this work and so with them all are eyes eares c. and their body is no organical body so that their Church if their combination may with any propiety of speach be called a Church must needs be a monster But passing this which sufficiently discovereth what enemies they are to Gospel Order and to the institutions of Christ in his Church of which more when we come to his Tenth Thesis we think ourselves concearned to know what for a Gospel this is which they pretend to a mission to preach Sure it is not that which Christ and his Apostles taught and left on record
that every individual soul before they could savingly beleeve and understand the Truth of God behoved of necessity to have the same as Immediatly Inwardly and Extraordinarily revealed to themselves as it was to the Prophets and thus every man was to be an immediatly inspired Prophet to himself and what need was there then of immediatly Inspired Prophets singularly pitched upon and raised up for the use and benefite of others 4. This being plaine a sure basis whereupon we may stand and such a cleare stateing of the Question betwixt us and the Quakers that none needeth be ignorant of the true difference betwixt us and them we may very shortly dispatch this Man and his Doctrine which for the most part as we shall see runeth upon this Confusion and Mistake for thus he beginneth Pag. 5. to tell us That in all ages this hath been acknowledged viz That there is no saving knowledge of God to be had without the Spirit and to this end citeth some passages out of Augustin Clemens Alexandr Tertul. Hierom Athanasius Gregorius Magnus Cyril Alexandr Bernard Luther and Melanchâ—on None of which speak any other thing than what I have already granted and asserted and no true orthodox Christian or any that I know will deny except Pelagians Arminians the like with whom this Man doth too much conspire as we shall heare But can he produce any of the Fathers or of our Reformers maintaining such Inward and Immediat Revelations of the Spirit as the Quakers with their predecessours the Enthusiasts do assert now to be necessary and do pretend to If he be so well acquanted with the writings of the Fathers as by these his citations he would have us beleeve he hath done wisely for himself but not very honestly in concealing what several of the same Fathers and Others write expresly against such high Pretenders as the Quakers now are and in whose footsteps they in many things now tread Theodoretus in Epit. Haeret. Fab. Cap. 3. giveth us Cerinthus as the first Patriarcâ— of Fanaticks pretending to such Revelations Irenaeus lib. 1. advers Valentinum c. Cap. 9. sheweth how Marcus Valentinianus had a great Impostor a certane Devil for his Assessor by whom he himself seemed to Prophecy and foretel things and how he made some certane women whom he accounted worthy of that honour to prophecy and speak some braine-sick discourses when warmed by that empty Spirit so that they supposed themselves to be Prophetisses Theodoret in the forecited book Lib. 3. Cap. 11. tels us that one Montanus out of an ambition to excel all others alleidged that he had all his Opinions from the instinct of his Spirit the Paracleâ—e and did pretend to Enthusiasmes and Revelations and that he took unto him Priscilla and Maximilla as two Prophetisses calling their writings Prophecies or Prophetick Books and preferring them unto the divine Evangel And from this Montanus borne at Pepuza in Phrygia came the Seck of Cataphrygians and Pepuzians Augustine may also be read concerning this Catal. Haeret. Num. 26. and 27. And these men because they pretended much to the Spirit as our Quakers do now were usually called Spirituales and they called and accounted others Carnal Persons Psychici Animales Eusebius Hist. Eccles. Lib. 5. Cap. 16 and 17 may be read to this purpose relateing some of the pranks and opinions of these Cataphrigians and how one Apollonius wrote against them and their revelations and how Serapion and others gave witnes against them Let him if he please read also Epiphanius contra Haeres Tom. 1. Lib. 2. Haeres 48. 49. Where he will meet with some things not unworthy of his consideration Of this sort also were the Euchites who came of the Messalinians who were also called Enthusiasts concerning whom see Theodoretus Epit. Haeret Fab. Lib. 4. Cap 11 and Phylostr Haeres 49. A wonder it is that he citeth not Tertullian's books written de Ecstasi after he turned a follower of Montanus whom and whose ecstasies he laboured to defend in these books sure such could he have fallen upon them had been more apposite to his purpose then what he here citeth out of his book de volandis Virginibus we could also cite his book de praâ—cript advers Haeres Cap. 52. where he inveigheth much against such Prophets Among others of the predecessours of Quakers may the Circumcelliones and Donatistae be reckoned who did pretend to Visions and such Revelations and we may take in Quintius the Liberâ—ine though much later and others of the like stamp 5. In his § 3. he goeth on ranting at the same rate inveighing against all Doctors learned Persons who are not of his judgmeâ—t as being void of the Spirit and so no more to be called Christians as subserving in their writtings and labours the designe of Satan being only instructed in the external letter of the Scriptures whileas others that had only this inward and immediat revelation were true Christians hence he very profoundly doth inferre That the inward and immediat Revelation is only that sure and undoubted methode of true and saving knowledge I shall not be the man that shall plead for Doctors or Professours that deny or are strangers to the workings of the Spirit of God only I may say that the Quakers have not as yet given such irrefragable demonstrations of their being illuminated and led by the Spirit as may make us secure and confident as to the truth of all which they say I suppose the Spirit of God would teach them to speak more soberly of such as they are yet great strangers unto But to what purpose is all this waste of words if he meane nothing else by his Inward and Immediat Revelation than what we formerly § 3. did owne and explaine against whom doth he fight But if he meane as he must if he speak to the purpose what we said was the opinion of the Quakers all his wit and skill shall never be able to inferre his Conclusion from the Premises I grant that the knowledge of the letter of the Scriptures will never bring a man to heaven if with that there be not some gracious and saving Work of the Spirit working up the man to an Imbraceing Closeing with and rightly Improving of the Truths there contained yet I dar not say that the very letter of the Scriptures in its kinde as a compleet Canon and Rule is not able to make us wise unto salvation seing the Apostle is express for this 2 Tim 3.15 nor will I say that to the end the Truths revealed in the Scriptures may be savingly beleeved there is a necessiâ—y that every one have these same Truths revealed and declared unto them Objectively by new Inward and Immediat Revelations as the Prophets and Apostles had the Truths revealed unto them which they delivered unto others in the name of the Lord. And when he shall be able to inferre this Conclusion from solide Premises we shall think our selves concerned to
it is not a mans bare saying or signifying this or that to us which is the Formal Ground of our giving credite thereto but the Truth and Honesty of the Person speaking these words nor is the simple Reading or Making known such or such a Command to us the Formal Ground of our receiving it and of yeelding Obedience thereto as a Law but the Legislative Authority of the Person giving out that Law in such a manner So it was not the Prophets their simple declaration or revelation that did solely ground the peoples Obediential beliefe of what they spoke But the Veracity and Authority of God speaking in and by them Revelation whether to the Immediatly Inspired Holy men of God or by them Mediatly to others was a necessary meane to hold forth the particulars to be believed and obeyed but not the total formal Ground upon which the particulars revealed were to believed and obeyed But this Thus faith Iehovah which was also conveyed unto the people and made known unto them by the Sent Prophets As a mans speaking is a necessary meane to make us know both what he asserts as truth and what he would have us believe upon his report And as Promulgation of lawes is a necessary meane to convey the knowledge of the particular Lawes together with the authority enjoyning them unto the Subjects concerned and cannot be the whole but at most a part of the formal object of faith and Obedience or a natural meanes of the Production of the material Object for whether the Revelation be to be looked upon only as such a means as some or as a part of the formal object as others it is all one against the Quakers and we need not fall upon that debate here But if he understand Both together Then neither can that be the Formal Object of Faith divine as is cleare from what is said It is not from the Revelation simply that such or such a Proposition is true but from the Veracity and Truth of him that maketh the proposition Nor is it from the Promulgation that such or such Words framed into the forme of a Command or Law have the force of a Law but from the legislative Authority of him who giveth forth the command Hence we see That it is all one as to the Formal Object or Ground of Faith and Obedience whether the Revelation be Mediat or Immediat One way or Other providing it hold forth the Proposition to be Believed the Law to be Obeyed as coming from Him who is Truth the undoubted supreame Legislator So that our believing of such or such a Proposition with divine Faith is resolved into this Thus saith Iehovah to us who is Truth it self and cannot lie and our divine Obedience to such or such a Command resolveth into this Thus saith to us and thus commandeth us the Supream Lord and Lawgiver Iehovah here the outward testification or declaration of God is not excluded but included rather 16. That we may not walk in the dark with our confused and confounding Author When he calleth Revelation the Formal Object of Faith I would gladly understand whether by this Revelation he meaneth the Lord's making his minde known unto the Patriarchs or Prophets themselves by Voices Visions Dreames c. Or the Revelation made known by these Prophets or Patriarchs unto the people by vive voice or by writing c or doth he meane Both If he understand the first then he speaketh only of the Formal Object of the Faith of these Patriarchs and Prophets who received these Immediat Revelations from God But I would faine know of him what was the Formal Object of the faith of the people to whom these divinely inspired Patriarchs and Prophets made known these Revelations with a Thus saith the Lord The Revelation made to the Prophets could not be the Formal Object of the Peoples faith because it was a Revelation Immediatly made only unto the Prophets and revealed to the people not Inwardly and Immediatly by Vision or Representation to their mindes or God's Vive Voice to their ears but Mediatly by way of Declaration or Preaching outwardly to their senses by the Prophets If he understand the Second then the Immediat Revelation is not the Formal Object of Faith for the Revelation which they had was Mediat If he mean Both. Then his Thesis is defective and this should also have been mentioned for a Divine Revelation coming to us Mediatly by the ministry of Men divinely inspired may hold forth the Formal Object of faith to us as the Scriptures penned by men immediatly Inspired do now hold forth to us the Formal Object of our Faith for we believe with a Divine Faith what is asserted in them because spoken and delivered to us by the Lord Jehovah who is the God of Truth not Immediatly but Mediatly 17. Upon this ground we see what way to Interpret that word in his Thesis Divine inward revelations are absolutely necessary for Founding of true Faith For it is true Nothing can be received by a true divine Faith but what is delivered by God or revealed by the First and Prime Verity who is Veracity it self yet it is not necessary that this First and Prime Verity reveal his minde Immediatly to every person as if none could be or were obliged to beleeve with a true and divine Faith what God saith but only such as are Immediatly inspired Becâ—uâ—e 1. Then the People of old to whom the Prophets were sent with a thus saith Iehovah might have refuised Faith and Obedience and alleiged that these Revelations were not made to them Immediatly and therefore they were not bound to Believe and Obey them But we finde that the Lord spoke even to the Fathers by the Prophets Heb. 1 1. 2. If this were true then the people of Israel that heard not God speaking from Mount Sinay being borne after that time were not obleiged to receive the Law delivered on Mount Sinay with a divine Faith and yet the word spoken by Angels was stedfast and every transgression disobedience received a just recompence of reward Heb. 2 2. And he that despised Moses's Law though Moses only had that law from God by Immediat Revelation except the Ten words died without mercy Heb. 10 28. 3. Then the Prophets Patriarchs or such as had the Inward and Immediat Revelations could only be guilty of Unbeliefe and Disobedience and not the People to whom they spoke contrare to the wole tenor of the book of the Prophets How then I pray could Sauls disobedience to the command of God by Samuel be as the sin of witch craft 1 Sam. 15 19 23. See Ier. 7 23. and 11 4 7. and 26 13. and 38 20. and 42 13. and innumerable moe places 4. How then could this aggravate their sin that God himself spoke unto them and called upon them by his Prophets Hos. 6 ver 5. Ier. 7 ver 13 25. and 25 ver 3 4. and 35 ver 14 15. and
of God immediatly so made known unto them for the only formal Object of their Faith But withall I say that all others who believed though still the Word and Authority of God was the formal Object of their Faith and ground of their Obedience had not this formal Object conveyed and made known unto them by Inward and Immediat Revelation and of this beside the manifest and unquestionable evidence of the thing it self we have Instances in that same Chapter dar he say that all who beleeved from the beginning that the Worlds were framed by the Word of God c. had this truth revealed unto them by God Immediatly either by Dreames or Vive Voice or the like where readeth he of Revelations Inward and Immediat made to Abel who yet by Faith offered unto God a more excellent Sacrifice than Cain Where readeth he to passe by others of the Inward Immediat Revelations upon which their faith was founded who through faith subdued Kingdomes wrought righteousness stopped the mouthes of lions Quenched the violence of fire escaped the edge of the sword out of weakness were made strong waxed valient in fight turned to flight the armies of the aliens received their dead raised to life againe were tortured not accepting deliverance that they might obtaine a better resurrection had tryal of cruel mockings and scourgings and moreover of bonds and imprisonments who were stoned sawne asunder were tempted were slaine with the sword who wandered about in sheep skins and goat skins being destitute afflicted tormented who wandered in deserts and in mountains and in dens and caves of the earth Where readeth he I say of such Revelations made to all these persons who yet had faith and by faith were they Encouraged Enabled Supported and Carried thorow 24. Bâ—cause he foresaw that some would Object That hence it would follow that there is no formal Object of faith now because the Lord doth not reveal his minde by Angels Dreames and Visions and the like Therefore he taketh notice of this Pag. 14. 15. but his answere is so confused and indistinct that you can hardly know what he would say He will not limite the power and liberty of God Wherein he doth wisely But will he say that God eiâ—her did or now doth reveal the whole Object of faith to all beleevers in suâ—h a manner He distinguisheth betwixt what is substantial and universal in the object of faith and what is circumstantial and accidental And hereby he either speaketh non-sense or destroyeth his owne cause for if the Immediat Revelation by those wayes mentioned was but accidental it cannot be called the formal Object of the faith of all believers He distinguisheth next betwixt what was obnoxious to doubting and what was not But he leaveth us in the mist while he explaineth Neither Then he tels us That these vive voices and dreames c. were the thing which they did believe and not the formal object or ground upon which they belâ—eved I should rather think that the word of Truth or Command which was made known unto them by vive voice or dreame c. was the Material Object not the Formal Object quod as he ignorantly speaketh or the thing which they were to believe and receive and that these dreames c. were but the manner of conveyance both of the material Object and of the Formal He addeth a serious truth viz. That they were not ignorant that the Devil could have formed sounds of words in the aire and delude the external senses by false apparitions and this dayly experience proveth Whereby he confirmeth what we formerly said and giveth us faire warning to take heed and beware of such Delusions I wish he and the rest of the Quakers would carry the impress of this Truth alwayes with them But how then was the formal Object of faith secured He answereth There was a secret testimony of the Spirit in their hearts perâ—wading thâ—m that these voices and visions were really from God But was this secret testimony distinct from that which came alongs with these Divine Voices and Dreames c If not what will he gaine hereby or against whom would he fight if it was distinct than it seemeth God's Immediat speaking by Voices Dreames Visions c. were not so clear and evident in themselves as to Compel Move and Bow the intellect that was well disposed by it's owne evidence and clearness unto an assent and were not so clear and evident as the common principles of natural Truthes are viz. That the whole is more than a part Two contradictories cannot be both true and false which move and bow the Minde to a natural Assent and thus he contradicteth what he said in his Thesis See above § 2. Moreover if the matter was so he must say that there was no more Objective Evidence and Clearness in Gods speaking by Voices Dreames c. than in the Devils speaking so for without this new testimony the Prophets themselves could put no difference betwixt the One and the Other Againe could not the Devil come with a false toaken aâ—d perswade the false Prophets that the voices and visions they had were really from God And may not the Devil do so now especially in such as are given up of God to strong delusions to believe a lie But what would he make of this falshood He would Inferre that this Inward Testimonâ— was the Principal and original Object of their faith A wilde assertion for thâ—s Inward Testimony should rather be called the Principal and Original Cause or thâ— Efficient Cause of faith than the Object of it for its use was according to his owne doctrine not to Declare immediatly the Object of then Faith but to work up their soul and minde to receive and close with the Object which was proposed in these Divine Dreames and Visions as that power which openeth the eyes of the blinde is not the formal Objâ—ct but the efficient Cause of the mans seeing the sun Then he addeth That these expressions The Lord spoke the word of the Lord came or was to such or such an one and the like will not evince that God spoke by audible voices and that he who asserteth it must prove it But we need neither Assert it nor Prove it for it is enough to us if these expressions signifie that singular way whatever it was which the Lord used in communicating his Minde to the Prophets and so a way distinct from that which he used with every individual private and particular Believer The answere to his formal argument with which the closeth this Paragraph may bâ— taken out of what is said and I need not spend time with repeating the same things 25. He cometh § 9. to the maine business the last Proposition viz. That the Object he should meane the formal Object of the faith of the Saints is alwaâ—es the same And thinketh he that any Christian will deny this which yet he must spend words about the proof of
Thinks he that we beleeve not that there is one faith But what reasoning is this There is one faith Therefore faith hath but one Object what object meâ—neth he Formal or Material Oâ—ject if the first we grant thâ—t alwayes in all ages the formal Object of faith divine was the Truth and Veracity of God as to things beleeved and hâ—s Supream Legislative Authority as to acts of Obedience If he mean the Material Object he speaketh nothing to the purpose because he must here speak of the Object he spoke of in the foregoing Proposition and of none other And yet the man as ignorantly as a childe talketh in the following words of the Material Object for to prove that the Fathers had the same object of faith that we have he adduceth Abraham's faith and the Fathers drinking of the same rock which was Christ 1 Cor. 10. and yet all that drank of that water had not saving faith in Christ whereby he can meane nothing but the same Material Object which we grant to have been the same as to the substance But I would know what he would say of the Material Object of Adam's faith before the fall Was Christ thaâ— Object No certanely and yet Adam had a divine Faith And after this discourse of the Material Object he concludeth rarely and profoundly that the Object of their faith and ours is the same viz. Inward and Immediat Revelation which before he called the formal Object of faith Is this man fit enough to boast all the learned men of Europe who cannot distinguish betwixt the Formal and Meterial Object of Faith who would not pity such an Ignoramus that yet is so confident as if all the wit and learning of Europe were nothing to this rare undâ—rstanding Thinketh he that none of his Readâ—rs were able to observe this master piece of Ignorance and Confusion The same line of Confusion is drawne over the rest of that paragraph for he citeth Gal 1 16. which he may apply to both then he citeth Heb. 13 7. which only speaketh of the Material Object and then he tels us that the diversity of administrations alters not the object what object He addeth a reason that would seem to plead for the same formal object for otherwise saith he God should be knowne some other way than by the Spirit But his next reason is most rare all actions are specified from their Objects saith he These things need no further examination to rehearse them is more than enough so exotick and non-sensical are they 26. But at length he would seem to speak some thing more to the purpose when he saith That such as deny this Proposition of his make use of a distinction granting that God cannot be known but by the Spirit but withal denying that this knowledge is Immediat and Inward because it is by the Scriptures But the same Confusion is continued for we know not whether he speaketh of the Formal Object of faith or of the Material If he mean the Formal I know no man that saith that the Scriptures are the formal Object of Faith but that they containe the material object and express the veracity and authority of God which is the formal object and so are at most but a part of the formal Object If he mean the Material object who granteth that the Spirit is that That the Spirit is what the Scriptures say he is and doth what the Scriptures say he doth is I grant a part of the Material Object of our Faith It may be that through ignorance he falleth upon another question here than his Proposition gived clear ground for and would discuss this question whether the Scriptures containe all that is necessary for us to believe unto salvation or must we have new Revelations making known to us what we ought to believe or what we ought to do in reference to salvation together with this and so still there shall be confusion whetheâ— the Lord doth now Instruct us Inwardly and Immediatly as of old he manifested his minde to the Patriarchs Prophets and Apostles or doth he it Mediatly by the Word Ordinances Publick private which he hath appointed for this end But the man walketh in the dark all alongs either through ignorance or worse Waving what he here denyeth concerning Scriptures till we come to examine his next Thesis let us here see what he undertaketh to prove we are here to prove sayes he That the Christians now a dayes no less than of old are led inwardly and immediatly by the Spirit after the same manner though it may be not all together in the same measure Here still nothing but confusion and darkness For 1 How all the People of God of old were led by the Spirit he hath not shewed or what way they were led Inwardly and Immediatly was the privilege of a few Patriarchs and Prophets common to them all were none of them led by the Spirit in an Ordinary way by the Teachings and Information of others the Spirit by his grace and efficacious Operation inwardly concurring were none of them Taught and Instructed by the Ordinances of God established among them and blessed by the Spirit 2 We know not what he meaneth by this Inward and Immediat Leading whether that which is Ordinary and Common to all saints whereby the Spirit dâ—th Efficiently and Powerfully draw determine the soul to a compliance in Faith and Obedience with the will of God revealed in his law and to a right Improvement of his Ordinances which He hath established in his House and Church for building up of his People in their most holy faith or that which is Extraordinary and peculiar to a few whereby for the good of others and their further instruction he was pleased in a singular manner to Communicate his minde and to Reveal Immediatly what others were to beleeve and to do If he meanâ— this last we shall attend his proofs If he first he beateth the winde and fighteth against his own shadow 3. We know not what he meaneth by the same measure of which he speaketh so doubtingly Sure as to the light of saving Knowledge and as to the Object of faith there is much more clear discovery thereof under the New Testament than was in the time of the Old Testament as Paul proveth 2 Cor. 3 concluding vers 18. But we all with open face beholding as in a glasse the glory of the Lord are changed into the same image from glory to glory even as by the Spirit of the Lord And as the whole Gospel evinceth See Ephes 3 9. 1 Pet. 1 10 11 12. Act. 2 14-20 Luk. 7 28. From all which it is manifest that we cannot understand what it is which he would prove and what his Arguments must conclude 27. Yet let us see what his reasons are He adduceth § 10. these promises of Christ Ioh. 14 16 17 20. and 16 13. and hence would clear to us three particulars First That the Comforter and the Spirit
here mentioned is not the Scriptures and he learnedly proveth this from other Scriptures As if any sober Christian ever Asserted such a thing But in the bye as if he had no friendship with the Socinians he redargueth their incogitancy that do not acknowledge any Inward Spirit or Vertue but a meer Natural one But in what Socinian doth he read such a thing I think He rather and the Socinians are one denying this Spirit and Paraclete to be a person and a divine person as to Essence one with the Father and the Son but as to subsistance distinct The Socinians do say that the Spirit and Holy Ghost is but the Inward Spiritual Vertue of God and are not so carnal and natural as to say that it is a meer Natural Spirit or Vertue Thus he helpeth us to know what himself meaneth by the Spirit here and elsewhere mentioned viz. Not a distinct person of the Trinity but an Inward Vertue which they call the Light within The second paâ—ticular is That this Spirit is inward and for this he citeh Rom. 8 v. 9 10. 1 Cor. 3 v. 16. and that all noble works are ascribed to this Spirit citeing Ioh. 6 v. 63. Act. 2 v. 4. and 8 ver 10. Rom. 8 ver 2 13 15 16 26. 1 Cor. 2 ver 10. and 12. v. 8 9 10 13. and closeth with a saying of Calvines Institut Libr 3. Cap. 2. By all which what he would say and against whom he would disput I know not do we deny the Spirits work in his children Do we deny his Union with them that he is in them and dwelleth in them or their Union with Him that they are in Him and walk with Him All the question is about the way how this is Conceived and Expressed Will he say That the Spirit so is and dwelleth in and abideth with beleevers that hereby they become personally united with Him and so are one person with Him Some indeed have said little lesse and therupon inferred that beleevers were Godded c. as they loved to speak But if this be his meaning I account him a Blasphemer Supposeth he that the Spirit is in â—elievers as a Vertue or Spiritual power and is the Light within them Then as he contradicteth himself saying that this light and vertue is within every man which here is but promised to believers so he giveth us a shreud presumption that he is a Socinian denying the personality of the Holy Ghost which the texts cited by himselfe and many others of the like import do manifestly evince The third particular is the work of the Spirit to guide into all truth c. which we shall be loath to deny whatever his friends the Arminians and Pelagians do Do we cry up the Traditions and Precepts of Men Do we exalt corrupt and carnal Reason Let himself see to this who cryeth up the Light within which is but Nature under a new name as shall be showne in due time This is his first Argument but what is his Conclusion Ergo The holy Spirit abideth and dwelleth in and leadeth his owne All true Christians have the Spirit of God dwelling in them as in his Temple and Ergo For this Argument must be branched-out into many so fertile is the mans invention The Spirit moveth instructeth and leadeth every true christian into the knowledge of such things as are necessary unto salvation Ans. Concedo totum and what would he have more But poor man knoweth he not what is the point in difference Hath he Concluded that the Spirit communicateth the knowledge of Gods minde to all his saints in the same manner and way as he did of old to the Prophets who were extraordinarily Inspired and that that immediat way of communication of Truths to be beleeved and Duties to be performed which was peculiar to Patriarchs and Prophets or to the Apostles is continued and common to all believers No This point is too hot for his fingers to touch and we must be satisfied to heare him prove that which he can prove though it be the same which we assert and so to no purpose 28. Before he come to this second Argument he tels us § 11. That there are some who do confess that the Spirit doth now breath upon and lead the Saints but this is Subjectively and in a blinde way coeco modo but not objectively that is He illuminats the understanding to beleeve what is revealed in the Scriptures but presents not any verity objectively and this they call medium incognitum assentiendi an unknown medium of assent that is of which the man is not certaine nor sensible Ans Whom he doth particularly here meane I know not and so I cannot judge whether he reporteth their opinion faithfully or not nor how they explaine the termes here expressed I know men may have various conceptions of the same Truth and so may have various and different-like Expressions and yet meane one and the same thing And for my part though I cannot assent to some expressions here used yet I think the substance of the truth which I owne is held forth here The Scriptures are a compleat Rule to us in all things concerning Faith and Manners in reference to Salvation and hold forth the revealed Mind of God here anent as an outward Objective meane or an external Rule And therefore we need now no new Revelation either as to Truths to be beleeved or as to Duties to be obeyed in order to Salvation but we need the Breathing Light and Power of the Spirit both to cause us see the matters already revealed and to close with them as divine Truths and Commands Let us see however what he answereth Though this opinion sayeth he be more tolerable than the former yet it is not true And why First because there are many truthes which as they respect every one ut singulos respiciunt it may be he meaneth and should hâ—ve said Personas singulares are not all found in the Scriptures But what are these Truths Are they Truths concerning salvation if so I deny what he saith and shall waite his proofs in the Next Thesis where he promiseth to shew this Secondly because saith he the Arguments adduced do also prove that he proposeth truths to us Objectively But suppose that several of the Scriptures by him formerly adduced should conclude this as to the Apostles and some others yea and more viz. That they should be filled with the Spirit and Immediatly and Extraordinariâ—y Inspired and acted to pen Scripture and infallibly to hold forth Gospel Truths to set downe immutable Gospel Rules to establish Gospel Ordinances and the like which also was so will he think that the promises in this extent belong to every individual Beleever so that each of them by vertue of these promises are Infallible Dictators writters of Scripture and the like let him assay the proof of this and we shall consider what he sayeth But further though I should grant what he here sayeth
he hath gained nothing for I would say so that the Lord Jesus hath by his Spirit revealed Truths even Objectively unto us and even this way made good these promises but how By Inspireing Apostles and others to pen Scripture wherein all New Testament Truths necessary and sufficient for us to be believed and obeyed in order to Salvation are contained and revealed Is not this a proposeing of Truths Objectively Nay more I say the Spirit to this day is proposeing to us truths Objectively in by the work of the Ministrie and Ordinances which are established and maintained by the Spirit for this end to clear up the word of Reconciliation and to explaine all Gospel Truths which we are to believe and obey Here is also an Objective proposal by the Spirit But you will say it is not an Immediat Objective proposal I grant it and yet it is sufficient to confute his reason which mentioneth not this Immediatness nor will he prove any such thing out of these Scriptures in reference to all beleevers 29 Now followeth his Second Argument taken as he sayes from the new Covenant whereby he would prove that we are to be led by the Spirit not only Immediatly but also Objectively A strange conclusion as full of confusion as the former for any would think that by Objectively here he meaneth Mediatly But I suppose he would have said not only Subjectively but also Objectively For clearing of the matter and to prevent a fighting in the dark we would know That the work of the Spirit in order to the beleeving of Truths is either in and about the Soul of the man whom he is to give a Revelation of the truth unto or is in and about the Truth which is revealed and to be beleeved The First is that which is meaned by the word subjective because the man is the subject in which the Spirit is to work faith The Other is that which is expressed by the word Objective because the truth revealed is the Object which is to be beleeved and received Now the Subjective Operation of the Spirit in this matter is by enlightning the Understanding of the man taking away the vail that was over his eyes and thus enabling him to see the Object as when Christ cured the blinde man he put him in case to see the light which he could not do before so the Spirit openeth the eyes of the minde of the man that he may see the wonders out of his law Psal. 119 18. As to this immediat work of the Spirit though the Lord thinketh good to do this ordinarly in and by the use of meanes which he hath appointed so that the word Immediatly must not be so understood as to exclude these he maketh no debate with us But as to the Objective operation of the Spirit it is by proposeing of the Object or Truth to be beleeved unto the Intellect as true and as spoken by God and this is twofold either External or Internal External is when the Truth is proposed by God to the Intellect by outward meanes such as the Scriptures Preachers and the like and this may be also called Mediat Internal which may be called Immediat is when the Lord's Spirit doth immediatly propose the Truth to be believed as true and as spoken to them as a truth now to be believed because thus spoken by Him immediatly unto their souls unto which is requisite a real secret operation of the Spirit immediatly carrying the truth in upon the Understanding by Supernatural and Immediatly Infused intelligible Species's The former mediat way this man is not Satisfied with and this last immediat way is that whereby Truths were revealed extraordinarily to Prophets and Apostles and otherâ— who were Inspired and is usually called Prophetick Revelation and in this sense is the word Revelation ordinarily taken in Scripture And this is the Revelation Immediat and Objective which this man would plead for and which we deny to be common to all believers whether under â—he Old Testam or under the New And which we also deny to be â—he way by which we are to expect the Teachings and Leadings of the Spirit now seing we are built upon the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles Christ himself being the chiefe corner stone Ephes. 2 20. 30. Now let us see how he proveth his point He adduceth two passages of Scripture Esai 59 21. and Ier. 31 33. with its parallel Heb. 8 10. where the Lord promiseth that the words which he shall put in their mouth shall not depart out of their mouth nor out of the mouth of their seed nor out of the mouth of their seeds seed from hence forth even for ever And that he will put his law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts c And what I pray can all this Evince Cannot the Lord put his words in the mouth and hearts of his People Mediatly Ay but saith he the Lord saith not that he will do this by Scriptures or other Means Nor doth he say say I that he will do it without them when he opened the heart of Lydia and when he caused the Thessalonians receive the word not as the word of Man though preached by Paul but as it is indeed the Word of God did he not put his word into their mouth and write it in their hearts But saith he hereby is the law and the Gospel differenced that the law was writen in tables of stone but the Gospel in the heart Ans. Said not David Psal. 40 8. that the law of God was in his heart And Ps. 119 11 that he hid Gods Word in his heart If it be so why said he before and went about to prove that the Object of faith of beleevers under the Law and under the Gospel was the same and how had all the Saints under the Law Immediat Revelations Other answers might be given here but these are sufficient to shew the mans Ignorance and Inconstancy when he hath reconciled himself to himself we will have less to do What he speaks afterward of Immediat Communion which is not the same with Immediat Revelation in respect whereof the state of beleevers under the Gospel is better than that under the Law is but to confirme further his self contradiction Let him reconcile this with what he said before of beleevers under the Law and of the sameness of the Object formal of the faith of both and we shall think ourselves concerned to notice what he saith But further to multiply his self contradictions he addeth an Untruth viz. That under the Law they had the high Priest immediatly receiving the Word of God in the holy of holies to teach the people and we say now under thâ— Gospel there is nothing but the external letter of the Scripture in the meaning of one verse of which scarce two do agree For neither can he prove that the High Priest had such Revelations alwayes in the Holy of Holies And we
Lapide are remarkable God is said saith he to have taught the Scriptures because 1. He stood so by the writters that they did not erre from the truth in a point 2. He did excite them and suggest to them so as they should write these things rather than those c. He did so inspire them that they set down this conception rather than that c. 3. He so ordered all the conceptions and sentences and led them so as that this sentence was first that next and the other in the third place and thus they were set downe orderly one after another and this is properly to write and make a book and therefore is the Spirit of God properly the Author of the Scriptures Hence is it that the word of God in the Old Test. is tearmed in the New the Scripture or Scriptures pointing out the word as written 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whereby we see that as in the frameing of the truths contained in the Scriptures of Prophecy or as to the matter and thing revealed and written the holy men of God had the real Inspirations of God and spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost or as the Holy Ghost spoke in them and by them they giving only a concurrence of their Rational faculties so in the very commiting of the minde of God unto writing they acted as moved by the Holy Ghost and not by any acquired Skill or Knowledg in the art of Grammer or Rhetorik being herein as a Pen in the hand of a writer and therefore ought not to be called the Secondary or proxime Authors of the Scriptures as some Papists imagine though the Lord used One to express his minde in one way and Another in another way as he thought meet and each in a way suteable to his natural Enduements as he used Esaias to express his minde in an High Loftie and Court-like stile and Amos being an herd man to express his minde in a more Mean and Low stile suteable to herd men in all consulting the universal good of the Church in all ages Whence it is manifest that not only the Matter and Things revealed whether as Truths to be Beleeved or as Lawes to be Obeyed are immediatly of God but also the very Method Expressions and Words wherein these truths were uttered which even some Papists as Gregor de Valentia and Estius Swarez and others confess And so the Whole and every Part Sentence and Word is of divine Authority and of a divine Original Whereby every one may see how sure the ground and basis of our Faith and Obedience is how rationally we act in adhereing to these Scriptures of Truth rejecting whatever is not consonant thereunto and especially all particular pretended divine Revelations which are but the meer product of mens strong Phancies and Imaginations or of Satans Workings in mens mindes and phantasies And withall we hereby see the divine Original of this Word of Prophecie which we must take heed unto as unto a light that shineth in a dark place until the day dawn and the day star arise in our hearts 2 Pet. 1 19. and must study and meditate upon day night Psal. 1. and be well acquanted with They being the Oracles of God Rom. 3 2. and the holy Scriptures which are able to make us wise unto Salvation through faith which is in Christ Iesus being profitable for Doctrine for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be Perfect thorowly furnished unto all good works 2 Tim. 3 15 16 17. As also the unreasonableness of those men who would directly or indirectly bring us off this Ground and have us following the light of that Ignis Fatuus of their Imaginary and Delusory Revelations which as they arise out of a mire so they lead the Man that followeth their guide into one and leave him there 4. Before we proceed because this Man alleâ—dged that it was a calumnie to say that either they denied or undervalued the Scriptures what Apology will he make for his brethren who owne the Scriptures only as a declaration of the Saints conditions witness G. Fox the younger in the collection of his books P. 59. cited by Mr Hicks dial 1. P. 19. account them no better than an old almanack witness Holbrow cited by Mr Hicks P. 29. and look upon it as inck and paper See Mr Hicks Pag. 41. and say that it is dangerous for ignorant people to read them witness Fox and Hubberthorn in Truths defence P. 101 Sâ—e Mr Hicks ibid. who also in his 2 Dial. Pag. 5. tels us that White head expresly saith in his D. P. Pag. 13. that it is idolatry to call the Bible a means and that faith grounded on the Scriptures is but an empty and implicite faith and bespeaks such persons void of the knowledge of God Christ Salvation and to be yet in their sin and that such men walk by thâ—ir own fancies and imaginations Christ Ascend Pag. 11. Do such expressions â—avoure of any high Esteem which they have of the Holy Scriptures if not let him see to it But moreover George Whitehead in his Apology P. 49. said that that which is spoken from the Spirit of truth in any viz. of them is of as great authority as the Scriptures yea and greater See for this Mr Hicks 1 dial P. 28. Will. Pen in his Rais. against Rail P. 40. cited by Mr Hicks 3. Dial. said That the Scriptures at most are but a kinde of declaratory and secondary Rule This man saith the same as we â—hall heare and further The Scripture is the Râ—le of historical faith but the light and Spirit of God can only be the Rule of saving faith and againe Pag. 55. That which is more ancient more universal and more able to informe rule and guide that must eminently be the rule but that hath been and is the Light within Therefore that hath been and ought to be the Rule of faith and practice So P. 48. Because we deny the Scriptures to be the rule of faith practice in honour to that divine light that gave them forth that we should therefore c. If this man think that we calumniat them upon this account he should tell us at least what high and honourable thoughts he and the rest have of them 5. But what if we finde him upon the matter saying little less than they though in more modâ—st expressions He saith I confess in his Thesis That the Scriptures of truth did proceed from the holy Revelations of the Spirit of God and one would think this a faire acknowledgment But in his Apology Pag. 36 he tels us that they do not think that the Authority of the Scriptures doth depend on any Efficacy or Vertue placed in these Writings but ascribe it wholly unto that Spirit from whom they came What confusion and self contradiction is here To say that the Scriptures of Truth are the
Revelations of the Spirit of God and yet they carry no Authority impressed upon them What shall carry the Impressions of a divine Authority if divine Revelations do not why did he assert in the preceeding Thesis that divine Revelation was the formal Object and ground of divine Faith How can they beleeve with a divine Faith the divine Revelations which they pretend unto why doth he plead so much for looking after divine Revelations if divine Revelations have not the stamp of divine Authority upon them But he sayes they ascribe the authority wholly unto the Spirit And do not we so also when we stoop unto the Authority of the Scriptures of Truth because delivered by the Inspiration of God when we say the Acts and Statutes of Parliament have the authority of Lawes and we obey and receive them as authenticque Lawes do we not ascribe the Legislative Authority unto the Parliament what a fancyful distinction must this them be and what a Notional difference doth he here imagine But it may be by these writings he meaneth the Paper and Ink But can he call the Paper and Inck the Scriptures of Truth or say that they did proceed from the holy Revelations of the Spirit of God 6. He reduceth all the contents of the Scripture unto three heads telling us that they containe first an historical narration of the acts of the people of God in not a few ages and of several rare testimonies of the providence of God towards them Forgetting that we have here also a true and faithful Narration of the first creation and that these examples are instructive Secondly a Prophetical narration of many things of which some are past and some are yet to come Making no mention of the great and many Promises nor yet of the threatnings Thirdly a full and large testimony to the chiefe doctrines of the Christian faith and that in certane excellent declarations exhortations and sentences which by the afflatus of the Spirit were said and written at diverse times to diverse churches and pastors according to various occasions that fell out And here is the whole of the high account he hath of the Scriptures and of their perfection Not to Meddle much with that here which he will give us occasion largely to disput of hereafter I would only enquire where or in what book beside the Scriptures shall we finde the whole doctrine of the Christian Faith laid down The Scriptures as he saith only give testimony to the chiefe Doctrines of Christianity Therefore there must be other Doctrines of Christianity that must be found out and searched for elsewhere but where I pray shall we finde these Againe I would know of him how we shall know what belongeth to the chiefe Heads of Christianity and what not we cannot know this by the Scriptures for they are supposed by him to be chief heads of Christianity to us before the Scriptures come which only as he saith beareth testimony to some of them 7. Further when he sayeth the Scripture giveth this Testimony only in certaine declarations c. It would seem we have not our Christian faith from the Scriptures but all the Articles thereof flow to us from some other Immediat Fountaine and are founded as to us upon some other Immediat Ground and the Scriptures only give some testimony thereto and that as it were on the bye in some certane Declarations Exhortations and Sentences Hence it would appeare by him that it is not the maine intendment and principal designe of the Scriptures to set downe delineat and explaine to us the articles of our Christian Faith and the doctrine of our Religion and so Iohn was it seemeth in a mistake when he said Iohn 20 vers 31. These are written that we might beleeve that Iesus is the Christ the Son of God and that believing we might have life through his name Why hath the Lord thus made known and written unto us excellent things in counsel and knowledge Is it not that our trust might be in the Lord and that he might make us know the certanty of the Words of Truth Prov. 22 vers 18 19 20 21. See Luk. 1 vers 2 3 4. Why saith Paul Rom 15 vers 4. that whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope For what end did the Spirit inspire these Holy men and by or in them speak to us in the Scriptures if not to give us a solide ground for our Faith to stand upon in receiving and beleeving the articles of Salvation Is not the whole of the Scripture given by the Inspiration of God that the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works 2 Tim. 3 16 17 Why doth the Apostle Peter say 2 Pet. 1 19. that we do well to take heed unto this more sure word of prophecy If they be not the ground of our Faith why are we desired thus to take heed unto them and to desire the sincere milk of word that we may grow thereby 1 Pet 2 2. Are we not said to be built upon that foundation which the Prophets and Apostles did ministerially lay by Word and Write Ephes. 2 20. Thus we see he layeth no more weight upon the Scriptures as to the bottoming of our Faith than he would do upon any good Book wherein testimony were given unto the chiefe Doctrines of the Christian Faith by some excellent Declarations Exhortations and Sentences 8. In this account he giveth us of his conceptions of the fulness and perfection of the Scriptures It is observable that he doth not so much as give the least hint of any Authority wherewith the Scripture is cloathed to lay obligations on our Consciences to yeeld Faith and Obedience to it as the signification of the Soveraigne Will and pleasure of the great God and Lawgiver and in this is more injurious to the Scriptures then Papists are who grant it to be a Rule of Faith Hos. 8 12. See Psal. 119. throughout with infinite moe places and this is in effect to destroy the Scriptures which are given to us as the Law of God and must be received as such with Faith and Obedience As if they had not been inspired by the Holy Ghost for this end purpose that we might thereby understand and prove what is that good that acceptable and perfect will of God Is it not called a Law disobedience unto and transgression of which is sin 1 Ioh. 3 4. Iam. 2 8 9 10 11 12. and 4 11. 9. What he saith of the Scriptures being written to certane Churches and Pastors upon certane Occasions which is an old Popish argument neither will quadrate with the whole of the Scriptures nor though it did will it ground any such inference that we have little or no interest therein as our Law and Rule as Quakers say and lest he think I caluminate let him take notice of these few Instances Edw. Borroughs Pag.
of their Inspirations and Prophecies it is at least possible that they may be deceived also And if so is it not every way saifest to try all by the unerring touch stone And doâ—h it not hence appear that if we speak in reference to their Revelations the Scriptures are unquestionably the Primary and Adequate rule 12. He addeth a reason in his Thesis which he prosecuteth at large in his Apology viz. That we know the certanty of the Scriptures only by the inward testimony of the Spirit But this reason is ambiguously expressed for it may either have this meaning That we know the certainty of the matter contained in the Scriptures only by the Inward Testimony of the Spirit Or this may be the meaning That only by the Inward Testimony of the Spirit we know certanely that the Scriptures are the word of God or that book which containeth the revealed will of God If he take this Reason in the first sense we may then in part know what he understandeth by a Secondary and Subordinate Rule which title he is pleased as we heard to allow unto the Scriptures that his meaning is consonant to what Will. Pen saith P. 47. of that book of his which Mr Hicks citeth Dial. 3. Pag. 48. viz. We dar boldly affirme that the greatest reason of our beleefe concerning the prophecies and promises recorded in the Scriptures is not from any outward thing but that inward testimony that we have received from that holy Light within us to the truth and faithfulness of those sayings And againe Pag. 48. cited by Mr Hicks Pag. 50 51. Though we do say men ought to live up to these hâ—ly Rules contained in the Scriptures yet the reason why is that conviction they meet with from the light of their own consciences Therefore the light within is both our warrant for Faith in and Obedience to them And this upon the mater is the same that Benj. Furley a known Quaker in Rotterdam saith most plainly in his letter cited by Mr Hicks in his Quakers appeal answered Pag. 16. There is nothing in the Scripture that is a duty upon me or which I am obliged to obey because there recorded whatsoever is a command to me I must not receive from any man or thing without me Nay not the Scripture it self Yea it is the greatest error in the world that ever was invented and the ground of all errour to affirme that the Scripture ought to be a Rule to Christians This is plaine dealing and so is that of Edward Burrowes Pag. 62. cited by Mr Hicks ibid. He that perswades people to let the Scrâ—ptures be the rule of faith and practice would keep people in darkness for who ever walks by the rule without them and teach men so to do would make void the Covenant of life and peace Now if this be his meaning the Scriptures shall be no Rule at all not so much as a Subordinate Rule for it shall hold forth no Truth calling for divine Faith from me nor shall it hold forth any Law or Command obligeing me to Obedience unless a new Revelation come or the Light with in me tell me that such a point is Truth and so to be beleeved and such an Exhortation is a divine Command and so to be Obeyed And if the Light within me say that such an Assertion contained in the Scriptures is not Tâ—uth I must not beâ—eâ—ve it or if it say that such a word of Command is not to be Obeyed there shâ—â—l be no force of a command in the word So that as with Papists the Scriptures are beholden to their Pope or to their Church for its authority so as it hath no canonick authority but what is given to it by the Pope or the Church So with Quakers the Scriptures are beholden to the Light within for its authority and no more is Scripture to be Beleeved and Obeyed as Scripture but what the Light within saith is to be beleeved and Obeyed And thus in effect it is not the Scripture nor the Spirit of God speaking to us in the Scripture that layeth any obligation on us to beleeve and obey but only the Light within so that if the Light within will any other book possibly the Turks Alcoran shall have as much authority to Command our Faith and Obedience as the Scripture hath Yet I must needs say we have much more advantage in dealing with Papists than in dealing with these Quakers for the Papists have but one Pope to whose determination they submit But here every Quaker hath a Pope within his brest And next we can know read and understand what the Pop's determinations are and how founded when he is pleased to condescend to give reasons at least we can know what truths he determineth and what not But we cannot know what the Spirit or Light within the Quakers saith we heare not and see not and understand not what it saith whether it be a white or a blake Spirit we know not It may say One thing this houre and the contrary the next and where are we then And what ever it saith we cannot know but as they report and whether their report be true or not we know not Nor can we know when we have used our utmost diligence to know it To this then are we come at length That every Quaker hath the Supreame judge of all controversies within his brest and the supream Law to regulate all duties So that it is impossible to convince them of an Errour either in Faith or Practice out of the Scriptures because the clearest Assertions of truth and the most manifest Commands have no auâ—hority but from the Light within them And what that Light saith we cannot judge because we neither hear it nor see it nor have we ground to beleeve that they cannot give us a false report of the testimony of that Light This is â— confess a master piece of Invention of the grand Impostor to keep these deluded souls out of the reach of conviction but such as all sober persons will judge ground sufficient to look upon that with a more than ordinary piece of abhorrence and to flee from these deluded and self deluding creatures But one thing more I would know of this man if this be his meaning Is it any otherways with us than it was with the people of God of old He must say no seing he hath formerly pleaded for the same formal Object and Ground to their faith and ours and then I enquire might not the people of God of old have put off thus all the Prophecies Exhortations Rebuikes and Commands which the Prophets immediatly inspired declared unto them from in the name of the Lord by saying till they had Revelations immediat themselves concerning these things to be beleeved or obeyed they were not under any obligation to notice them And if so how could they be charged with Disobedience Obstinacy Unbeleef and Wickedness as we oftentimes finde they were
Againe how could Christ and his Apostles confirme their doctrine by the Scriptures Press to a study and search of them Convince persons of errour by them and the like seing still this shift was as ready at hand for them to use as it is for the Quakers today I pray hâ—m to cleare me in these particulars if he can 13. But if the meaning of his Assertion be That we know only by the inward Testimoâ—y of the Spirit that the book of the Scriptures is indeed the word of God what will this helpe his cause Nothing at all for the Testimony of the Spirit is a true Testimony and if the Spirit testifie that that book is the Word of God that book must indeed be the Word of God and it must be the Word of God before that testimony be given to it for the Testimony doth not make it such but witnesseth it to be such and so before that Testimony of the Spirit come the will of God contained in that book must oblige us to Beleeve it and Obey it for what is the revealed will of God cannot but oblige such unto whom it is revealed But if it be said That even the will of God contained in the Scriptures cannot oblige us untill a new Revelation come to perswade us of the certainty that it is the will of God I answere Then 1. The Assertions of the God of truth and the Lawes and Commands of the Supream Lawgiver have no obleiging force upon us to Beleeve and Obey untill we be perswaded these Truths and Lawes are Divine and so the authority of the Lawes dependeth upon and is derived from the minde of the Subject and no more shall be law than he will 2. Then the Revelation of the minde of God doth not carry alongs with it its owne Evidence 3. Then the Second Revelation can as little carry alongs with it its own evidence as the First and we must have a Third to give us the perswasion of its certanety and the Third will stand in need of a Fourth and so in infinitum and hereby we shall never come to any certanty but still fluctuate notwithstanding of Revelations upon Revelations 14. He adduceth Apol. P. 36 37. Calv. Instit. Lib. 1. c. 7. s. 4 5. The French Confession of faith Art 4. The Belgick Confess Art 5. And the Confession framed at Westminster Cap. 1. S. 5. which last he cannot cite without a jibe at these worthy Divines thereby evidenceing what a Spirit acteth him But to the point I say 1. What is spoken here of the Spirit is in Opposition to the Testimony of Men or of the Church which the Romanists alleiged 2. They speak not of an Objective certanty as if before this perswasion wrought by the Spirit there was no ground to beleeve and receive these for the Scriptures of truth or as if indeed before this they had not been the Scriptures of truth but of a Subjective certanty and therefore they call it Perswasion and Assurance now this doth not create an Objective certainty but preâ—upposeth it and only helpeth the soul to see that Objective certainty and rest upon it with full Conviction and Assurance 3. They speak not of any Immediat Revelation or Inspiration but of an ordinary work of the Spirit efficiently effectuating this Perswasion and Assurance 4. They expresly tell us that this work of the Spirit is by and with the word and not an Inspiration distinct and seperated from it anâ— by the gracious effects of the word in and upon the hearts of People which evidently demonstrate the cause to be divine and that Word which hath such Powerful Noble and Divine Effects upon the soul to to be of a divine Original flowing from that Supream Verity or Veracity and from that Supream Authority and so to be purely divine 15. Though this be enough to discover the vanity of this mans Alleigance yet I shall for the Readers satisfaction a little further cleare the matter There are in the Scriptures such innate marks and evidences of divine Majesty Power and Authority whereby as Light and Heat prove and demonstrate themselves so the Scriptures evince themselves to be of God by their Light Life Power Majesty Divine which is also manifested by these particulars mentioned in our Confession of faith to wit The Heavenliness of the matter The Efficacy of the Doctrine The Majestie of the stile The Consent of all the parts The Scope of the whole which is to give all glory to God The full Discovery it maketh of the only Way of Mans salvation The many other Incomparable Excellencies and the Intire Perfection therof These are arguments which it carryeth alongs with it whereby it doth abundantly evince it self to be the word of God as the heavens declare themselves to be of God not by any voice or testimony but by the Characters of Infinite Power so legible upon them that all that run may read The Spirit in working up the soul unto a Conviction and Perswasion that the Scriptures are the word of God doth those things First He cleareth up the characters of divinity that are in the Scriptures formerly dark to the man through prejudice or other causes and so maketh the Object plaine and manifest Next He conveyeth light into the Minde whereby the man is enabled to discerne and perceive these Grounds and Evidences which are the characters of divinity as a man when clouds are removed and his eyes are opened to see the beames of light flowing from the body of the Sun is convinced and perswaded that the Sun is arisen in our horizon Now this work of the Spirit hath its various Measures and Degrees not to mention that which is truely saving whereby the man is not only Enabled to see the forementioned grounds to a conviction but through a gracious Work of the Spirit on the whole soul is made to close with these grounds with joy and delights and to accept of the Scriptures upon these Grounds with full perswasion of soul as having this truth that these Scriptures are the word of God deeply impressed oâ— his spirit and sealed by the Holy Ghost So that he embraceth them as the very word of God and closeth with them with all Reverence and cheerfull Submission of soul receiving with faith the Truths there delivered and submitting to the Commands thereof heartily and cheerfully through grace Not to mention this I say which as it respecteth the matter contained in the word and the sutable improvement thereof is not of our present concernment this work of the Spirit admits of degrees whether we consider the Object or Evidences which lye in the Scripture or the Subject the â—llumination of the minde to see the cleared Evidences and Grounds for to some the Grounds and Evidences may be more clear and unquestionable than to others and some may have a larger Illumination of understanding and so a greater capacity to see the divine Original of the Scriptures than others and
hence the Perswasion or Conviction of this truth may be greater in some as more freed from Prejudices Doubts and Exceptions than in Others in whom it may be weaker through some admixture The impression also may be in some deeper than in others 16. If any enquire wherein this differeth from the Opinion of the Quakers I ans In those particulars 1 This which we speak of is not the Spirits saying by any new Revelation Voice or Whisper or Enthusiastick inspiration that this and not that Book is the Word of God The Quakers speak thus 2 By their way the testimony of the Spirit is an Argumentative Medium or an Inartificial Argument adduced to prove this conclusion to themselves that this or that Book is the Word of God so that they must first Perceive and Feel that the Spirit saith or witnesseth this book to be the Word of God and then they inferre that therefore it is to be received as the Word of God But we make no such use of the Spirits Testimony but Assert that He so illuminateth the Minde to see the characters of divinity as withall to work the Assent or Perswasion and that so as the Faith or Perswasion shall be felt oftentimes before the man reflect upon the Operation of the Spirit 3 The testimony we speak of is that Operation of the Spirit whereby the characters of divine Majesty and Authority which are natively inprinted in and do necessarily attend the Sayings of God are Discovered Received and Acquiesced in But the testimony which they speak of is distinct from and hath no connexion with the Objective evidence which is in the Scriptures themselves 4 The Quakers Revelation is purely Objective and New and Immediat declaring a new Truth The work of the Spirit which we speake of as it cleareth up the Objective Evidence which is in the Scriptures by removing Grounds of Mistake and Prejudice and the like so it worketh by these Evidences a Subjective Conviction in the soul and a Perswasion of the truth which only the man did not see before 5 By their Revelation a person getteth no new discovery of the characters of Divinity which the Scriptures carry along with them unless it may be by accident but the Perswasion which we speak of is rationally deduced from and founded upon these Marks and Evidences which the soul is now made to see clearly through the Operation of the Spirit 6 By our way the Scriptures do not receive their Truth and Authority neither in themselves nor as to us from this work of the Spirit as they do by the way of the Quakers for whether this Operation of the Spirit whereof we speak be or not the Scriptures are what they are the very Word of God as the sun is a shineing sun and light is light whether the blinde see it or not The word of the Lord is cloathed with Divine Light Majesty and Authority whether we see it or not Obligeth us though as yet wanting this perswasion and remaining blinde or blinded with prejudice to Imbrace and Receive the same as the Word of God and to yeeld all due Faith and Obedience thereunto as to the Word Law of the great God Lawgiver it is true without this work of the Spirit we cannot attaine to that heart-quieting Perswasion and soul-satisfying Assurance of the infallible Truth and divine Authority of the Scripture yet there is an infallible Truth divine Authority that inseparably attendeth whatsoever is spoken by God delivered as Assertions Lawes whether we see it and beleeve it or not And our blindness though it prejudge us of the rich advantage of Embraceing the Scriptures as the very Word of God yet it Endammageth not in the least the word of God it self But by the way of the Quakers the Scriptures have no Light nor Authority in themselves or to us until this Second Testimony come And thus it is supposed that either the Scriptures have no Characters of Light Power Life and Majesty divine in themselves or that whatever they may have of this kinde it is of no force to Oblige us to Faith and Obedience which were a contradiction till we receive this adventious and second Testimony and so all who want this are under no Obligation to receive the Bible by Faith and Obedience more then the Turks Alcoran which sure must be a very wilde and uncouth Position Let the Reader consult that satisfying Piece of the learned D. Own of the Divine Original c. of the Scriptures Chap. 5. where this is more satisfyingly and clearly expressed 1â— Now this being the very nature and native result of the judgment of the Quakers who sâ—eth not how absurd it is and who can be ignorant of the dreadful Consequences thereof which are so obvious For if their Opinion hold Then 1 there was no Ground for that Challenge Hos. 8 12. I have written to him the great things of my Law but they were counted as a strange thing 2 Then the jewes wanting this testimony could not be blamed for saying Ier. 43 2 Thou speakest falsly the Lord our God hath not sent thee to say go not unto Egypt to sojourn there 3 This might have been alleiged for an excuse of the Unbeleef that Christ himself did meet with for the Jewes might have said we have not as yet the testimony of the Spirit perswading us that Christs sayings and sermons are truely divine or the very sayings and testimony of God and till we have this we are not bound to beleeve 4 This would annul all that Authority and Truth that is in the Revelation of Iesus Christ which God gave untâ— Him to show unto His Servants and sent and signified by his Angel unto Iohn who bare record of the word of God and of the testimony of Iesus Christ. Revel 1 2. So 5 it maketh null that saying Revel 1 3. Blessed is he that readeth and they that heare the words of this prophecy and keep those sayings which are written therein 6 It confronteth all these places following Deut. 11 18 19. and 18 19. Ier. 29 19. and 35.15 Psal. 50 17. Prov. 4 20. and 7 â— Ier. 6 19. and 1â— 10. and 13 10. Ezech. 3 4.10 with multitudes moe which might be cited 7 By this meanes the people of God of old were no more Obliged to receive the Word of God delivered by true Prophets than the lies and dreams of the false Prophets who were Prophets of the deceits of their owne hearts and there was no difference to be put betwixt the chaff and the wheat until this second Revelation came See Ier. 23 21-32 In a word 8 This rendereth the whole Scriptures of the Old and New Test. void and useless as we shall manifest more when we come to consider what he saith to the contrary 18. What he speaketh of the difference among the Ancients and doubtings concerning some Books of Scripture which are now received can prove nothing but that through Prejudice
pretendeth unto to be more Originally and Principally the Rule than the Revelations which are contained in the Scriptures and by which the Scriptures were given out Againe he must shew us a Reason why the Revelations which he pretendeth unto should be called or accounted one with the Spirit himself more than these Revelations by which the Scriptures were dictate 23. Before we proceed we must take notice of one thing further in his Thesis There he tels us that the Scriptures themselves testifie that the Spirit is that Rector or guide who is given to the Saints by whom they are to be led in all truth And then inferreth that Therefore according to the Scriptures the Spirit is the prime and principal leader And this is very true but maketh nothing for his Cause yea it militateth against him for I would ask whether he beleeveth this testimony of the Scripture or not If not why maketh he thus use of it as an Argument Is he of the same minde with other Quakers who as Mr Hicks reporteth Dial. 1. P. 24 25. speak thus Thou mistakest us we owne not the Scriptures to be our Rule And whereas thou hast said many things to render us guilty of condemning this in others whilst we ourselves seemingly allow it to be so which is but thine own imagination for when we make use of the Scriptures it is only to quiet and stop their clamours that plead for it as their Rule But for us had the Scriptures never been we could have known what is therein contained And againe Pag. 48.49 dost thou deny perfection attainable in this life Is any point more plainly asserted then this NB. in that which thou callest thy Rule the Scriptures not because I owne it to be so but thou dost and I would convince thee by them dost not thou call the Scriptures the word of God and thy Rule I wonder thou should insist so much upon this since I have told thee I owne it not as the Rule only I would convince thee by it If he be of this judgment he could not with a good conscience adduce this Argument where he is thetically laying downe and confirming the grounds of his Faith But if he be of another judgment and beleeveth this to be true I would ask againe Upon what ground Is it because the Scriptures speak thus or because the Light within him or a second Testimony or Inspiration saith that this is Truth If this last be his meaning he cannot say that the Scriptures give this testimony but that the Spirit distinct from that Spirit which speaketh in the Scriptures giveth this testimony for if this distinct testimony did not speak the Spirit speaking in the Scriptures should say nothing or what he said should be of no value Nor can he say that according to the Scriptures but according to the Spirit speaking in him which is distinct and sâ—parable from the Scriptures or the Spirit speaking in them The Spirit is the Principal Leader And thus his argueing is vaine and according to his owne Principles a Falshood But if the first be his meaning to wit That he beleeveth this to â—e true because the Scriptures speak so then he destroyeth what he hath said and oppugneth his owne Principal Assertion for then the Scripture must be the supream Rule of faith and because of what the Scripture saith we must beleeve what is the office and work of the Spirit of God and a new distinct testimony is no requisite to ground our faith of the truth of this which the Scripture saith concerning the Spirits being given to lead the Saints in all truth This Observation may serve once for all both as to his Thesis and Apology where he citeth not a few passages of Scripture to confirme what he saith as we have seen and shall see further but with what consonancy to his Principles I see not As to the thing it self which here he saith the Scriptures confirme we judge it a Truth worthy of all acceptance But I much questione if his and our meaning be the same Partly because of what is said and partly because of what followeth immediatly in his Thesis I shall only ask him How doth the Spirit lead his people into all truth Is it by new Immediat Inspirations and Revelations or is it by clearing up the Rule of the word by Ministers and meanes by God appointed Illuminating their eyes to understand it and by the Influences of his grace causing them Beleeve and Obey the same If this last be granted we have what we desire and his cause is destroyed for then the Scriptures are our Only and Primary Rule If the first be alleiged then the Spirit by a new Immediat Revelation leadeth him into this truth to wit That the Spirit leadeth into all truth and consequently the ground of the faith of this is not the testimony of the Scriptures as he seemeth here to say 24. But now let us see his grounds why he will not have the Scriptures to be looked upon as our Sole and Principal Rule Pag. 39. he draweth an Argument from the difference betwixt the Law and the Gospel saying the law is written without bringeth condemnation and killeth the Gospel is written within and is Spiritual giving life c. Ans. 1. This is the common Objection of phanaticks against the Scriptures So reasoned the libertines against whom Calvin wrote as we see Chap. 9. But 2. This man must be acted by a vertiginous Spirit for in the preceeâ—ing Chapter we saw with what earnestness he laboured to prove that the people of God under the Old Test. were led by Revelations and how we under the New Test. must be led the same way because faith is ay the same and must have the same Object however the dispensations vary and I pray must not the same faith have the same Rule under various dispensations 3. If we under the New Test. must have no written Rule why did Christ Inspire his Apostles to write to Churches under the New Testam and give them legible letters to Read and to conforme their Faith and Practice unto why did Luk write that we might know the certanety Luk 1 4. Why did Iohn write that we might beleeve and beleeving might have life Ioh. 20.31 Why did Christ by his servant Iohn write legible letters to the Churches in asia Revel 1 1 3 4 Were all these Killing Letters were these Letters of Condemnation 4. why doth this man prove his Assertions or at least endeavour to prove them by the Letter of the new Testament Scriptures But it is usual with him both to Speak and to Act contradictory to himself and his Principles Doth he not even here cite new Testament Scriptures Rom. 6 14. and 8 2. and 10 8. with act 20 32 5. we know that the Law of God separated from and opposed to Christ as several in the Apostolick dayes were seeking to do is but a killing letter as the Gospel is also when abused
and so he confirmeth what other Quakers mentioned above § 9. say viz. That there are no commands there for them because given to particular persons and Churches upon particular occasions And thus the very Law of the Ten Commandements which I have vindicated sufficiently elsewhere which Christ himself did interpret and confirme is laid aside as having no power over us Thus the Quakers join hands with the Antinomians that they may become a perfect Sinke of all errours I am sure the Church of Corinth might with greater shew of reason have rejected that Law which Paul urgeth them with 1 Cor. 9 9 10. and Timothy also 1 Tim. 5 18. what shall we say to these Old Testament Lawes and Scriptures pressed in the New Rom. 13 8 9.10 Ephes. 6 2. 2 Cor. 6 17. 1 Pet. 2 13 14. 1 Cor. 14 v. 34. What have we to do with all Christ's commands the Apostles their injunctions 2 Thess. 3 v. 4 6 10 12. 1 Tim. 4 v. 11. 1 Cor. 7 10. Mat. 28 20. 1 Thess. 4 11. Mat. 15 4. Ioh. 15 12. 1 Ioh. 3 23. Rom. 7 10 12. 16 26 1 Tim. 1 5. Tit. 1 3. 2 Pet. 2 21. 3 2. 1 Ioh. 2 7. 3 11. 2 Ioh. 4 6. Ioh. 13 34. 1 Ioh. 2 8. Ioh. 14 21. 1 Cor. 7 19. 14 37. Revel 22 14. Act. 17 30. Rom. 2 12 13 23 25 26 27. 3 31. 4 15. 7 14 16 18 22. 1 Tim. 1 8. Gal. 3 19 21. 5 14. 6 2. Iam. 1 25. 2 8 9 10 11 12. 4 11. 1 Ioh. 3 4. Rom. 1 5. 16 19 26. 2 Cor. 7 15. 10 5 6. 1 Pet. 1 vers 2 Ephes. 6 5. Tit. 2 9. 1 Pet. 1 14. 2 Cor. 2 9. Not to mention his Ordinances of which afterward and all the examples set downe to us for Imitation and Instruction By this argueing the whole Historical part of the Bible is laid aside Further by this Mans doctrine no man is a Man of God but they All others are Natural They are Spiritual and Holy and the Scriptures are only for such and some might think that others had as much need of them But the designe is That all others besides themselves may look upon them selves as not concerned in them and so may lay them aside as useless and when the Quakers are once become the sole keepers of these Oracles we shall quickly know what shall be come of them But blessed be God they are under another eye and under a surer key Beside that by the Apostles doctrine Rom. 15. Every one that is to please his Nieghbour for good to edification vers 2. is to look on the Scriptures as written for his use and learning vers 4. and 2 Tim. 3 15 16. every one that standeth in need of Salvation and hath need to be made wise thereunto must plye the Scriptures for this end We see also that the Scripturs have attained their full end in the Quakers and therefore they have no more do to with them but to observe to their Confirmation the samenes◠of Spirit speaking in them speaking in the Scripture so we must look upon them all as Perfected throughly furnished for every good work That which he addeth in end out of the Ap. Peter is with a witness verified in them 2 Pet. 3 16. 43. Thereafter § 6. He seemeth to grant much concerning the Scriptures when he saith They account them the most fit outward judge of controversies among Christians and what ever doctrine is contrary to them should be accounted heresie c. But howbeit we accept what is granted and are content to try their doctrine by this judge have done so hithertill accordingly must reject their doctrine as damnable heresie and will finde more cause hereafter to continue in this our judgment yet we cannot but take notice That they are driven to this necessity by urgency of their Adversaries and that they know of a refuge for themselves for they are perswaded as we may suppose the Spirit within them is the very same with the Spirit speaking in the Scriptures and he cannot in them contradict what he hath said in the Scriptures And if any discrepancy or contradiction be it is but in appearance and that unto the blinde Understanding of a Natural Man as he speaketh afterward that is it but seemeth so to all that are not Quakers and so notwithstanding of this it is no real contradiction let the appearance be never so great So that it is not possible to convince them of any mistake out of the Scriptures for the Spirit speaking within them cannot speak contrary thereto And further this is to be observed that for all this the Scriptures are no Rule no Law having any force upon our Consciences to Obedience No man is to learne any Truth or Doctrine out of them And thus they take away both Law and Gospel the Scriptures both of the Old and New Testament as a Law upon which we are to meditate day and night and which we are to make the men of our counsel and to propose to ourselves as a copy unto which we are to conforme our way and walk and this is to destroy their main end which is to make us wise unto Salvation to convert the soul and to hold forth to us the whole counsel of God concerning Faith and Manners 44. In end § 9. Pag 50. He frameth an Objection against his owne doctrine to this purpose If the Scriptures be not our chiefe only and adequate Rule it is no compleet canon and men who pretend to be acted by the Spirit may adde new Scriptures and so incurre the curse denunced against such they may introduce a new Gospel I should rather have framed the Objection thus If his doctrine be true the Scriptures are no Rule or canon at all and we are as much obliged to beleeve and Obey the dreames and dictats of phantastick Quakers as the Scriptures And how absurd this is every one may judge But let us see what he Replieth He granteth that all false Revelations which are contrary to the Scriptures are to be disclamed This is well and therefore we reject with his warrand his Revelations as false But he will deny that his Revelations are false because the Spirit within him which is the Spirit of Truth and the same Spirit that inspired the Prophets and Apostles saith they are true yea they cannot but be true because proceeding from that Spirit that can reveal nothing but truth and thus we are no more secured then we were yea as I said we are obliged to beleeve all that they say and rather to lay aside our Iudgment and all Sense of Scripture truths than once doubt or question the truth of what they deliver Next he saith The doctrine he hath delivered is true and therefore who adduce such consequences accuse Christ and his Apostles This is but a manifest declaration of his Pride
Concupiscence was sin Rom 7 7. And when they did the things contained in the Law they did them not perfectly nor doth the Apostle say this but the contrary for he addeth that their consciences did accuse them 2. Though we should suppose that they both could and did fulfil the Law against all Reason Scripture and Experience yet we who do not with this man deny Original sin might assert a necessity of Christ's coming for all their future obedience make it never so perfect being but their duty could make no satisfaction to divine justice for Adams sin whereof they were guilty 3. Hence he may see that we need not say that any can or could be saved without Christ. 4. Nor need we say that such should have been damned for being ignorant of Christ to come but for their transgression But absurdities deduced from an impossible supposition are but absurd probations fit only for Quakers 27. What he saith § 3. to the vindicating of 1 Cor 2 14. from the exception of such as would have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 meaned of a Brutish man an animal not of a Natural man doth not concerne us but therein unawars he contradicteth himself for if man now in his fallen condition can know nothing of God of his Being Nature or Government of the world nor nothing of the Principles of common Honesty Morality nor nothing of the things of the Law as he went about to prove as we heard then let him tell me wherein a man in his Natural state differeth from a Brute And how he can then make use of this answere Againe when he sayeth that the Apostle doth demonstrate through that whole chapter he should have added the first Chapter too how the wisdom of Man is an uncapable judge of the things of God Let him tell me if he thinketh that the wise men such as the Grecians of old were as he granteth here could not judge of any of these particulars held forth in the Law of God If not wherein appeared their Wisdome Or wherein were they to be called Wise If they could judge in some matters of the Law which was written in their heart then let him reconcile this if he can with what he said above But as we have frequently alreaâ—y observed this Man regairdeth so little what he sayeth that may he but have occasion to contradict Truth he cares not how often he contradict himself as is usual with such who are carryed away with a prejudice against Truth and know not well as yet were to settle 28 Thus have we examined what this Quaker saith upon this Head and because he alleiged we spoke without Reaâ—on when we said that there were some reliques of the image of God left in the natural man whereby he may know some things concerning God's Being and Nature and Government of the world his duty towards God his Neghbour and Himself we shall shortly manifest the truth of this to the end that it may the better appeare that this Quakers Theology which he pleadeth for and driveth at is but Paganical borne with every corrupt son of Adam and far different from that which is Saving and is manifest by the Gospel which hath brought life and immortality to light The Socinians deny that there is any inuate knowledge of God in man or that by nature he knoweth any thing of God so Socinus himself praelect cap 11 So Ostorodus Institut P. 1. 10. Smalcius contra Frantzium disp 8. though others as Crellius and Schlichtingius be of another judgment our Divines on the contrare Maintaine that there is some Imperfect and as to Salvation Insufficient though sufficient for Instruction as to several duties and to render the transgressours Unexcusable knowledge of God implanted in corrupt nature so that man even in his natural condition coming to the use and exercise of Reason by a natural instinct sense and force cometh to know that there is a God that is Optimus Maximus Powerfull Good Wise c. Governeth all the world that we ought to Worshipe Serve him that we ought to do Right to all that Punishment abideth evil doers and several things of this nature and what our Divines say they confirme by Scripture and Reason passages of Scripture are these Rom. 1 19. because that which may be knâ—wn of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it unto them This 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was not manifested unto some few of them as to their chiefe Philosophers but in all who were ungodly and unrighteous and held the truth in unrighteouâ—ness vers 18. So vers 21. it is said that they knew God even they who did not glorify him as God neither were thankful but became vaine in their imaginations c. So vers 23. They changed the glory of the incorruptible God And therefore had some notions of this incorruptible and glorious majesty And vers 25. they changed the truth of God into a lie So vers 32. They knew the judgment of God that they which commit such things are worthy of death And so could noâ— be ignorant of God of his Law of the Equity thereof of their Obligation to obedience and of God's Righteousnes in Iudging and Punishing transgressours So Rom 2 14 15. of which we spoke above The Gentiles who had not the written law did by nature the things contained in the Law and did shew the work of the law written in their hearts having their consciences bearing them witness and their thoughts accusing or excusing according as they observed or transgressed the said law So that having this law implanted in their hearts they could not be ignorant of God whose law this is and in whose name it calleth for Obedience nor of their own Obligation to obedience and their Consciences did preach forth the same for it judgeth and accuseth as God's Deputy See likewise Act. 14 15 16 17. 17 24 25 26 27. As for Reasons evinceing this They adduce the Workings and Stirrings of the Conscience which natural men have and which they cannot get shaken off which manifestly evince to them That there is a Supream Judge God in whose name Conscience giveth sentence and vexeth and tormenteth evil doers night and day for as Menander said conscience is a God to all mortals And this took vengeance on that monster of men Caligula and so haunteth evil doers that they alwayes think they see their Punishment before their eyes hence some Great persons without the reach of Inferiours have been made to tremble and quake at thunder claps yea and put violent hands in themselves Philosophers Historians and Poets declare this at large yea common sense and experience confirmeth it so that every rational person cannot but assent to the truth of this so soon as he heareth it and knoweth what is said That God is It carryeth alongs with it such rayes of light that without any difficulty it is seen and understood and mans Minde and Judgment of
this for a true declaration of the truth which we maintaine and with this open discovery of his unfaire dealing might we rest satisfied because it is to be presumed his following reasons can conclude only against this he hath laid forth as our judgment but as we have showne This is not our judgment and therefore his Arâ—uments cannot touch us if they lavel at nothing but at this man of straw which he hath made for himself to shoot at Yet lest he boast as if we were not able to look his Reasons in the face we shall view them 14. He tels us that this is a new opinion there being no mention made thereof in the first four hundered yeers after Christ and that Augustin laid the first foundation thereof in his later writings out of zeal against the Pelagians and sowed some sayings which some have unhappily laid hâ—ld on to strengthen this errour whereby they contradict both truth and the sayings of Augustin and others Answ 1. This man would make us bâ—leeve that he had read all the Fathers that wrote before Augustine but we know whence he hath this for it is the old saying of Arminians But 2. This can conclude nothing against the Truth which we have seen asserted in the Scriptures of truth The Fathers in those ages had not to do with such hereticks as were the Pelagians Before that Enemy of the grace of God arose the Church was in pâ—ace as to these controversies and the Fathers had no occâ—sion to debate such questions as Pelagius afterwards gave occasion unto Can he evince that all the Fathers before Augustine were of a contrary opinion to what we maintaine 3. Is this mans Religion grounded upon the authority of men And will he beleeve no more than what the Father 's said in the first foure ages Let him follow what cisterns he pleaseth we will satisfie ourselves with the Word as the ground of our Faith and we do look upon the Apostles as more ancient than these Fathers and take their positive assertions as of more authority than the silence of these 4. Yet Augustine de dono persever Cap. 11. citeth Ambrose Nazianzen and Cyprian as concurring with him in the ground of his doctrine of Predestination 5. as concerning Augustine what this man groundlesly suggesteth of him is the same he said before when speaking of Original sin and there we answered it 6. what contradictions are in our doctrine either unto Truth or unto Augustine he hath not showne Augustine it is true in his later dayes and after more mature deliberation and consideration of the matter occasioned by his disputs with the Pelagians did retract somethings said by himself in his younger yeers But all this is for the further Confirmation of the truth which we owne The Reader who desireth more satisfaction concerning this matter of Antiquity as to this point may consult the learned D. Twisse against Mr Hoord Sect. 1. 15. He next tels us that the Dominicans imbraced this Opinion And so he giveth us to understand that he is more pleased with the doctrine of the Iesuites But all except Pelagian-Arminians confesse that in these points the Dominicans are preferable to the Iesuites who are more downe right Enemies to the grace of God And then with a crocodile tear as it were in his eye he tels us with an Alas that Calvin éspoused this opinion and addeth that he wronged his name much hereby But with none of the orthodox I am confident for as to what this Quaker and his Arminians say in this we value it not He addeth that hereby the Christian and Protestant Religion was defamed And yet the world heard of no such thing but by Papists Iesuites Arminians who is bound to regard their scandal who are blinde leaders of the blinde must truth be foresaken because these Enemies to the grace of God like it not He confesseth that the Synod oâ— Dort did defend our opinion but addeth that notwithstanding it is exploded by the major part of learned and pious men in all the Churches of Protestants We know indeed that too many nowadayes are turning from the truth and imbraceing Pelagian Iesuitical and Arminian errours but that they make up the major part we deny possibly he will take in the Lutherans but we account them not Reformed Protestants 16. But Pag. 66. he tels us he would not much regaird all this if our opinion had any ground in the word And we have shown that it hath good ground there Then he saith that it is most injurious unto God If this be true it must certanly be an Errour but how is this made good It maketh saith he God the Author of sin An heavy charge if true yet this is so clear thiâ—keth he as that two and one make three But a Quakers confidence following a blinde guide is no strong argument to us let us hear his reason If saith he the Lord decreed that these predestinate ones should perish having no respect unto their evil actions but out of his meer good pleasure and if he also decreed long before they did exist or in any capacity did either good or evil that they should be in these sins by which secondarily they were to be led unto that end who is the first Author and cause of this our God who so willed and decreed it then which there cannot be a more necessary consequence Answ. 1. The word Predestinate being usually taken in a good sense as meaned of these Elected to glory the man vents his gall in thus misapplying the word to render the truth Odious 2. Though no consideration of sin was or could be the Meritorious Moving or Procureing cause of God's eternal decree yet when he decreed to puniâ—h everlastingly thâ— Reprobat for their sinnes he cannot be said to have no respect to sin in his decree as he here alleigeth who considereth not well what he sayeth 3. Though he decreed to punish everlastingly for sin such and such persons and none else meerly out of his owne good will and pleasure yet he cannot be said to have had no respect to sin which punishment alwayes presupposeth and answereth unto 4 If God's decrees be not before man exist or do any good or evil they cannot be Eternal but Temporal and so this man is a Socinian and the decree of God concerning every individual person must exist when the man hath done good or evil and so as many men as many decrees nay according to this man the Lord can make no decree concerning the Everlasting state of man so long as he liveth and so not only we cannot but God himself cannot say to or of any man before the point of death that he is a Reprobate or an Elect what Apprehensions these men have of God I tremble to express 5. What he meaneth by these words ut in iniquitatibus illis versarentur I know not unless their meaning be as I have expressed it And what would he then make
of the Messias And all these he shall certanely save And though his first coming was not to act the part of a judge to any of which he speaketh Ioh. 12 37. yet I trow his last coming will be in forme of a judge Mat. 24 30. 25 31 Luk. 9 26. 1 Thes. 4 16. Act. 17 31. 62. He citeth next 2 Pet 3 9. the Lord is long-suffering to us ward not willing that any should perish but that all should come unto repentance and tels us that it is like to Ezech. 33 ver 11. of which place we spoke in the preceding Chapter and then addeth That God's will taketh not effect the cause is from us which could not be if we had never been capable of salvation and if Christ had never died for us but had left us under a physical impossibility of salvation Answere 1 If these words be taken Universally what will this man do with those that outlive the day of their visitation as he speaketh and are hardâ—ned judicially of God and given up to a reprobate mind is the Lord willing that these should come unto Repentance if not what will he do with his Universality Againe what will he say to those whom God cutteth off in their younger yeers and of those He taketh away in the very act of sin as He did Nadab and Abihu the people of Sodom the Bethshemites Uzzah Zimri and Cosbi 2. If we be the Cause that God's will taketh not effect we must be stronger then God for this Will of God is not his Command but his will of Purpose And so He must be a weak God that can not effectuat what he willeth but can be hindered by weak man but the Scriptures speak other wayes of our God and tells us that he doth whatsoever he will and none can let or hinder him Dan. 4 35. Iob. 9 12. Esai 45 9. Psal 135 6. And that none hath resisted his will Rom. 9 20. 3. Free Will I see must be a very great and absolute Prince for upon it hang all the effects of God's will and Purpose and of the death of Christ so that if Free will be ill disposed none of God's gracious Purposes Promises or Decrees shall take effect and Christ for all his Death and Bloudshed shall not save one soul or see a seed and thus all the decrees of heaven are at Mans devotion and Christ must turne a petitioner and supplicat Lord Free will that He may see of the travail of his soul. O cursed Religion 4. But as to the passage in hand the matter is clear that Peter is not speaking of all and every man universally but of us that is of himself and these to whom he writeth and they are the same he wrote his first Epistle unto 2 Pet. 3 1. and them he stileth Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the father through sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Iesus Christ 1 Pet. 1 2. Who were begotten againe to a lively hope by the resurrâ—ction of Iesus Christ from the dead vers 3. who were keepâ— by the power of God through faith unto salvation vers 5. who were lovers of Christ and beleeving did rejoyce with joy unspeakable and full of glory vers 8. Such as by Christ did beleeve in God vers 20 21. and had purified their souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren and were born againe c. vers 22 23. See Chap. 2 4 5 7 9 10 25. 2 Pet. 1 1 3 4 3 1 17 18. Thus the impertinency of this man in citeing this passage is manifest 63. He asketh what meaneth all the vehement Invitations Expostulations and Complaints in Scripture if there be no possibility of salvation and supposeth that this is to make God the Author of a stage play And thus the man raâ—teth in his reavings at this rate and all to dethrone the most High and spoile Him of his Principality and Supream Dominion that base man may be set down in the chaire of State and have the keyes of heaven and hell at his girdle by this Argument the Quaker would not only make the death of Christ a common thing but would destroy all the Decrees of God all Predestination and Election all Purposes of preventing any with mercy and all Absolute Pâ—omises But the mans attempt is vaine God will be God whether he will or not 2. We assert no Simple Impossibility of salvation to any but Hypothetical If God would give grace to all all should be saved and if He will not give grace to all must we quarrell with the Almighty Notwithstanding of God's decrees every one that perisheth perisheth willingly and of his owne fâ—ee choise God's decrees destroy not mans Free will nor take away the liberty and contingency of second causes but rather establish it as may appear from Prov. 16 33. Ioh. 19 11. Act. 2 23. 4 27 28. Mat. 17 12. 3. These Exhortations Expostulations c. respect the Gospel as it relateth to Gods will of precept and is the word of reconciliation dispensed by men and so hold forth what is mans Duty as we cleared above which must not be confounded with God's Purposes nor set up to dethrone them our duty is our duty by vertue of a command whatever God's purposes be Though God had purposed that Isaack should not be killed by his Father yet the word of command made it Abraham's duty to goe and offer him up 4 These Invitations and Expostulations c. respect only those to whom the Gospel is preached and so whatever this man can make out of them they can prove no Universal Redemption for we hear of no such expostulations with such as live without the sound of the Gospel And there are moe without the Church than within it not only under the Law but even now under the Gospel 5. This man I hope will not deny that God might if he pleased give grace to such as he expostulateth with whereby they might certainly be wrought up to a compliance with the word of Command And because it seemeth not good in his eyes to do so shall his Dispensations and the Ministry of his Gospel be looked upon as a stage play and a comoedie O! who art thou O man that will thus bring God to thy barr and passe such a shameful sentence upon his proceedings 6 God useth these Expostulations c. as meanes to bring home his Owne And as for Others though we would think to advocat their cause and condemne the Lord they and all that will take their part shall be found speachless in the day of accounts And God shall be glorified in his holy Justice whether vaine Man will or not 64. He citeth in the last place 1 Iâ—h 2 1 2. where Christ is said to be a Propitiation for the sinnes of the world And then he insulteth over such as would have only beleevers understood here by the word
of his grace the soul lay hold on the offered salvation and accept of the alsufficient offered Mediator we utterly deny it affirming faith to be the pure gift of God wrought by the exceeding greatness of his power according to the working of his mighty power or according to the working of the might of his power Ephes. 1 19. 2 8. And that this faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God Rom 10 17. So that we see nor how any without the Church or the hearing of the word of God and of the word of the Gospel revealing Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God can beleeve not how any wâ—thin the Church and who hear the sound of the Gospel daily can beleeve without the grace of God working Faith by the Operation of his Spirit and thus concurring with the word And therefore we deny Salvation to be Possible in this Quakers sense to any yea even to the Elect otherwayes we must reject the Scriptures of truth and embrace the Pelagian Errour and lay aside all prayer for the Spirit of grace to work faith and only make our supplications to Lord Free will and think to batter the wals of Freewill with meer Moral Swasion as Iesuites Arminians and Socinians with the old Pelagians imagine and sacrifice to our own net and burn incense to our own drag Free will because by it our portion is fat and our meat plenteous And so give thanks with the damned to God that hath made salvation onely Possible but to ourselves alone for making it Actual and for obtaining the crown and prize 12. Having thus in short proposed our Judgment after hearing of his Opinion we come now to examine the proofs of his Proposition which he layeth down Pag. 93. c. § 19. And first in general he saith That it is manifest from the complaints which the Spirit of God useth in the Scriptures against such as perish chideing and reproving them for rejecting Gods visitation and love and refuseing his mercy Ans. 1. His Proposition is Universal and these Complaints anâ— Reproofs are only Particular viz. against such as were within the Church so they can prove nothing 2. Neither will these Reproofs c. prove that such had power and ability to embrace mercy and love offered unto them without the grace of God as say Iesuites and Arminians for the Scripture tels us that God must give the new heart Ier. 31 33 34. 32 39 40. Ezech. 11 19 20. 36 26 27 Heb. 8 10. and that none cometh to the Son but whom the Father draweth Ioh. 6 44 45. and that it is God that worketh in us both to will and to do Phil. 2 13. And to gather our Power and Ability out of the Commands and measure the one by the other is the very core of Pelagianisme and Arminianisme for upon this ground did Pelagius conclude that we could keep the whole Law perfectly as this man also saith Heare Pelagius himself ad Demetriadem cited by Vossius Histor. Pelag. lib. 5. part 1. Thes. 6. Duplici ignorantia accusamus Deum Inscientiae ut videatur nescire quod fecit nescire quod iussit quasi oblitus fragilitatis humanae cujus Author ipse est imposuerit homini mandata quae ferre non possit Simulque prô-nefas adscribimus Iniquitatem Iusto Pio Crudelitatem dum aliquid impossibile praecepisse conquerimur deinde pro his damnandum esse hominen ob ea quae vitare non potuit ut quod etiam suspicari Sacrilegium est videatur Deus non tam salutem nostram quaesisse quam poenam Itaque Apostolus sciens a Domino justitiae ac majestatis nihil impossibile esse praeceptum aufert a nobis vitium murmurandi quod tunc utique nascisolet cum aut iniqua sunt quae jubentur aut jubentis minus digna persona est Quid tergiversamur incassum Nemo magis novit mensuram virium nostrarum quam qui ipsas vires nobis dedit Nec quisquam melius quantum possimus intelligit quam qui ipsam virtutem nobis posse donavit nec impossibile aliquid voluit imperare qui justus est nec damnaturus hominem fuit pro eo quod vitare non potuit qui pius est Which in short is this That to say that God should command any thing which is not in our power to do were to accuse God of Ignorance as not knowing mans power and of Iniquity Cruelty and Sacrilege commanding that which he knew we could not do and thereafter condemning us for not doing of it This Quaker may see his owne face in this glass 13. He citeth further the words of God to Cain Gen. 4 6 7. and saith that this timeous admonition and promise of pardon upon condition he did well saith that he bad a day of visitation wherein it was possible for him to be saved That it was possible for Cain through the grace of God to have done well and obtained the excellency we affirme but that he had power without this grace all this admontion cannot prove so that as is said it is pure Pelagianisme for him to adde God could not propose that condition to do well to him if he had not given him sufficient strength to do well Had Pharaoh sufficiency of strength moral to let the people of Israel go when God had hardened his heart so as he should not let them go If not how could God send Moses to him with a word of command This man told us Thesis 4. That man in his Natural state could know nothing aright and that all his Imaginations Words and Actions were evil and only evil continually Now I enquire if such a man can be said to have sufficiency of strength to know God and things divine and to do well If not then it seemeth by this mans doctrine here that God can impose no command upon such to know God and to do well We know that God giveth the heart to perceive eyes to see and eares to hear Deut. 29 4. and that the carnal minde is enmity against God for it is not subject to the Law of God neither indeed can be Rom. 8 7. And that the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them becauss they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 2 14. He citeth to the same purpose Gen. 6 3. And we deny not that the Spirit speaking after the manner of men for such expressions cannot bâ— understood properly of God is said to contend with men to wit by his Word and Servants whom he sendeth forth to deal with men in his name So did he thus strive long with this old world by his messengers the Patriarches particularly by Noah called a preacher of righteousness 2 Pet. 2 5. But what of this This day of Visitation saith he which he granteth to every one is such as therein the Lord is said to waite and be
by the Covenant of works for that is broken and all are become heires of hell wrath because of the violation of that Covenant Not by the Covenant of Grace for that requireth faith before persons be interessed in these special favoures privileges And the Scripture tels us that all men have not faith how then come all men to share of these highest privileges or of this divine and glorious life which are promised in the Covenant of grace through Jesus Christ by whom they are purchased Is this divine and glorious life so meane and common a thing that even Heathens and Reprobats share of it Sure the divine and glorious life pointed forth in the Scriptures is a rare thing and is the privilege of very few and even of few of those that are members of the visible Church Will this Quaker tell me if this â—ivine and glorious life whereof all Iaponians Brasilians Cannibals are made partakers be distinguished from the divine and glorious life peculiar to the Saints And if it be distinguished how Or if it be the same in kinde why Regeneration Union with Iesus Christ by faith the Effectual Working of the grace of God and a through Renovation is requisite to the enjoyning of that in some greater measure which all have Naturally in some measure 8. He saith this measure of the divine and glorious life is a seed But whereof Is it the seed of the Eternal weight of glory that the Saints live in the hope of Wherever that seed is it cometh at length to the harvest of glory as the Scripture teacheth us and if this seed be sowne in all all shall at length be saved If it be not the seed of Glory whereof I pray is it the seed Is it the seed of Grace This seed abideth 1 Ioh. 3 9. and is incorruptible and is by the Word of God even that Word of God which is preached by the gospel 1 Pet. 1 23 25. So that this seed is no common thing but peculiar to such as are borne againe who by Christ do believe in God who raised him up from the dead and who have purified their souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit 1 Pet. 1 21 22. 9. He saith this seed inviteth and inclineth all men to good But doth it invite and incline the Iaponians Braâ—ilians Artigovanteans and such Heathens who never heard of Christ nor had any shew of Religion to faith in Christ Or even to all that is enjoyned by the Law of Nature or the Law of the two Tables How cometh it then that Paul who was far better versed in the Law than Heathens are saith he would not have known concupiscence unless the Law had said thou shall not covet And how can this consist with the sinful state of every natural person whose thoughts and imaginations incline and invite to evil Read Rom 3 10 to 20. All are under sin vers 9. all have sinned and come short of the glory of God vers 23. Nay how can this be seing the carnal minde is enmity against God and is not subject to the Law of God neither indeed can be Rom 8 7 Is not the heart of every man by nature deceitful above all things and desperatly wicked Ier. 17 9. is not their very minde and conscience defiled Tit. 1 15. Where then can this good seed lodge It lodgeth neither in Heart Minde nor Conscience And shall it lodge in the Flesh It is true there is left in every Man a bit of a Natural Conscience informing concerning some Natural good requisite for self-preservation and for the preservation of Societies and inclineing thereunto but what is this to that Spiritual good required now by the Gospel and discovered by its Light Alas I see the hieght of the Quakers divinity is what a Natural Conscience can teach a Man-eater and this is their Gospel and this is their divine and glorious life O poor wretches 10. This seed he calleth the Vehicle of God A wonderful expression savouring more of a distracted braine and of an audacious blasphemous spirit than of a sober Christian fearing God 11. He calleth it the Spiritual body of Christ But by what Scripture I know not Christ is called the Saviour of the body Ephes. 1 23. Is Christ the Saviour of this seed The spiritual and mystical body of Christ is the Church Ephes 4 4. 1 Cor. 10.17 12 12 13 20. Rom. 12 4 5. Col. 1 24. Ephes. 2 23. Râ—m 12 27. Ephes. 3 6. 4 12 16. Col. 1 18. 2 19 What are the members of this body the body is not one member but many 1 Cor. 12.14 12. He saith it is the flesh and bloud of Christ that came out of heaven But had Christ no other flesh and blood than this Then the whole Incarnation of Christ is denyed And where is our Christian Religion then where is the Death of Christ where is his Resurrection where is his Ascension where is all the History of his life Is all that but dreames and lies whither will the Quakers lead us Christ gave his flesh for the life of the world Ioh. 6 51. did he give this seed for the life of the world was this seed a sacrifice to satisfie the justice of God what foolries be these Now the man in deed appeareth in his colours a Quaker in graine speaking non-sense at random and hereby evidencing what Spirit acteth him But one word more where readeth he that Christ's flesh and bloud came out of heaven They mean that Christ had the same Spiritual flesh and blood within his carnal flesh and blood which they have and so they are as much the Christ's of God as he was O dreadful blasphemy 13. He saith all the Saints eat of this What do only the saints eat of this while it is in every Man Every man by this mans doctrine is partaker of Christ's Spiritual body and hath Christ's flesh and bloud in him but they do not all eat thereof a strange phancy that persons have food in their belly before they eate it that persons are partakers of Christ's flesh and blood before they eat him by faith what wilde Notions be these Men are partakers of a glorious and divine life by having the spiritual body of Christ in them and the flesh and bloud of Christ that came out of heaven and that before they make any application of him to themselves by faith where read we of such things Christ tels us the contrary that except we eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood we have no life in us Ioh 6 53. and that with a doubled asseveration verily verily And he tels us moreover that he dwelleth in such as eate his flesh that is in beleevers vers 56. and not in others and vers 57. that he that eateth him even he shall live by him But these Impudent Quakers whose work is as it seemeth to câ—ntradict Christ and all the Gospel tell us that even
and consequently it is no part of the image of God in man 3. How can the man not be denominated from this seed and accounted an holy man upon the account thereof seing he called it before a Spiritual Principle and Organ and the Vehicle of God and that wherein God dwelleth and from which God and Christ cannot be separated And a divine and glorious life Shall a man have a Spiritual Principle of holiness in him and a divine Life and yet not be accounted a spiritual and holy man Nay shall a man have Christ in him dwelling and abideing in him yet not be called an holy man Shall a man have God dwelling in him as Christ had though not in that measure and yet not be accounted a spiritual holy man 4. The Scripture acquanteth us with no Seed or Principle of a spiritual life communicated to every man by his Birth or Conception nor to any but in Regeneration when they are borne againe not of bloud nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of God Ioh. 1 13. And these are they who receive Christ offered in the Gospel and by beleeving on his name receive power to become the Sons of God vers 12. for that which is borne of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit Ioh. 3 6. This being so we passe his comparison and that which he addeth as being founded thereupon all being grounded upon a fundamental errour his reasons for which are afterward to be examined 14. In the fourth place § 15. he saith That hereby they do not derogate from the Sacrifice and propitiation of Christ. But how is this imaginable seing this Seed which is born with every man will sufficiently save them if they will but suffer it to work in them so that there is no necessity for a man once to hear the name of Christ named in reference to Salvation And what improvement doth or can this Seed or Light in Heathens that never heard of Christ make of the Sacrifice of Christ We are told that Christ the true Messias by his knowledge that is by the knowledge of him as making his soul an offering for sin and as bearing their iniquities should justifie many Esai 53 10 11. And further we heard before how this Man joyneth with Socinians in denying the Deity and Incarnation of the Son of God and how having done this he can plead for or maintaine Christ's Sacrifice and Propitiation is intelligible only to Quakers who can as they pretend understand unintelligible things But let us heare how he vindicateth himself and the rest from this imputation He saith They beleeve all that is written of Christ's Conception Birth Life Miracles Death Resurrection and Ascension to be true And what then Socinians will say the same and yet are no friends to Christ's Sacrifice and Propitiation Do you beleeve that that body which was crucified at Jerusalem rose again and is now in glory Speak your minde here if you dar that that Body was personally united to the Godhead we think saith he further all to whom these things are revealed are bound to beleeve them But what will the beliefe of them signifie seing the devil believeth them to be true Yea saith he we think incredulity here damnable And why so Because that divine seed would incline all to believe for it assenteth to all truth that is declared But all this being but an historical faith can effectuate no salvation Hath the devil who is no stranger to this historical faith this divine Seed in him also inclineing him to beleeve this truth If not then this divine seed is not requisite unto this Faith if yea then God and Christ dwelleth in the devil and he is partaker of a glorious and divine life for this and more was said above of this seed as we heard 15. We hear nothing yet said for the Sacrifice and Propitiation of Christ Therefore he addeth that they firmly beleeve that Christs coming was necessary that by his death and passion he might offer himself a sacrifice to God for our sinnes and who ever obtaine remission of sins it is by vertue of his Satisfactory sacrifice These are faire words but containe nothing that can satisfie any understanding person for the Socinians themselves will say as much as may be seen in Hoornb Socinianismi Confut. lib. 3. Cap. 1. Pag. 490.491 Doth he say that the Quakers grant that Christs sufferings were a proper punishment suffered by Him as a cautioner in the room and stead of any sinner and that thereby He did truely and properly make satisfaction to the justice of Goâ— for the sinnes of his people and so purchase unto them Grace and Glory Remission of sins having pacified God and reconciled him unto them by a true and proper sacrifice and so properly and truely did redeem his people As the Socinians make Christ only a Metaphorical God in respect of his Office so they ascribe to him a Metaphorical Redemption and Satisfaction And if this patron of the Quakers can say no more on their behalfe it is too too manifest how small account they have of the Sacrifice and Propitiation of Christ. And what if all this be meant of the Christ within them 16. Yet he would make us beleeve that they magnifie and exalt Christ's propitiation above what we do we beleeve saith he that as all men were made partakers of the evil fâ—uits of Adam's fall though thousands never heard of him so many may feel the vertue of this divine seed and by it be turned from evil to good albeit thâ—y be utterly ignorant of Christ by whose obedience and suffering they obtaine this benefite Ans. 1. All men are actually made partakers of the evil fruits of Adam's fall so soon as they have a being because this is propagat by nature all mankinde being in Adam as their head and root But grace is not propagat by nature Had Adam this seed in him after he fell and before the promise of the seed of the woman was made to him Then he lost it not by the fall but by the fall sure he lost all inclination to spiritual good If he represented all Mankinde in the New Covenant of grace as he did in the Old Covenant of works then as his fall did redound in the one to the actual condemnation of his posterity so should his faith for we charitably suppose he was a beleever redound in the other to the actual salvation of all of what necessity then should the sacrifice of Christ be 2. All were partakers of the evil fruits of Adam's fall actually and not potentially only for there is none that escapeth but the feeling of the vertue of this divine seed is but a possibility so that notwithstanding this divine seed be said to be in all yet it might so fall out that not one should be saved for to have a power only to feel this seed importeth no actual
feeling till Free will come in and determine the matter nor hath it any efficacious influence upon Free will to determine it but leaveth it to its free choice 3. Is this all the benefite that is had by Christ's Obedience and Death that people may be turned from evil to good then it seemeth Christ's death was not so effectual for the good of any as Adam's sin was for the hurt of all Is this to magnifie and exalt the Sacrifice of Christ 4. If this be all that Christ purchased to wit a power to turne from evil to good and to feel the vertue of this seed if men will he hath purchased nothing but what is Natural or what is inferiour to common moral vertues for it is natural to have a power to do or not do as men will and a moral vertue is more than such a power because it leaveth not the man in a state of pure indifferency but inclineth him to acts of such a vertue and only to such acts And if Christ purchased only this power he purchased no more a power to do good than a power to do evil for the power of it self is indifferent to both no more inclined to the one then to the other So that Christ hath purchased â—o Supernatural Grace which effectually moveth and determineth to good but only the Pelagian Natural Grace by which no man is more inclined to good than to evil and which a man may make use of or not as he will and so if he will it shall be of no benefite to him 5. If this be all that Christ hath obtained it is not much mater though we say that such are partakers of it that never heard of Christ. 6. But why saith he Many may feel this seed that never heard of Christ not All Is there any difference if there be what is it and upon what is it founded 7. We deny that any partake of the Supernatural and Saving Benefites of Christ's death who are without the Covenant and never heard of him we mean persones come to age for we except the Elect Infants who are within the covenant and are not capable of hearing And this Mans doctrine rendereth the knowledge of the Gospel very useless at least not very necessary though life and immortality be â—rought to light thereby 2 Tim. 1 10. and it be the mean through which people are begotten unto God 1 Cor 4 15. and the power of God unto salvation Rom. 1 16. the glorious Gospel of the blessed God 1 Tim. 1 11. though by it we are called to sanctification of the Spirit and beleefe of the truth to the obtaining of the glory of the Lord Iesus Christ 2 Thes. 2 14. And in the word of the truth of the Gospel we heare of the hope which is laid up fâ—r us in heaven Col. 1 5. Though by it the Gentiles be made fellow heires and of the same body and partakers of his promise in Christ Ephes. 3 6 And it be the Gospel of our salvation Ephes. 1 13. Though it be a glorious Gospel having light in it to shine into the heart of beleevers 2 Cor. 4 4. and hath a blessing and a fulness of blessing in it Rom. 15 29. so it is called the Everlasting Gospel Rom. 14 6. and for preaching of which Christ himself was anointed Luk. 4 18. What unworthy creatures must these Quakers be that think so little of the Gospel of Christ and of the preaching of it and cry up so much the Light within 17 But he saith they beleeve that it is necessary for such as hear the Gospel to beleeve it Ans. Necessary how Wherein consisteth this necessity seing we may be saved without it Is it because it is a Revelation of God's truth But that speaks out no more the necessity of the faith of the Gospel or of the History of Christ unto salvation than the faith of this that Paul left his cloak at Troas or the History of Cain Ismael Iudas c. which is recorded in the Scriptures And thus he maketh the great mercy of enlarging the borders of the Church under the New Testament and of taking-in all nations by the preaching of the Gospel without discrimination to be no mercy at all or at least a very small mercy He addeth That they ingenuously confesse the outward knowledge of this to be full of comfort to such as are under it and are acted by this inward seed and Light Ans. But this comfort is not necessary to Salvation according to them This inward Seed and Light is sufficient for this and we are enquiring after its necessity but finde none in this mans opinion Yet let us see wherein this comfort consisteth For saith he Pag. 86. not only are they humbled by the sense of Christs death and sufferings but they are also confirmed thereby and encouraged to follow his excellent example 1 Pet. 2 2. and are also refreshed by his gracious speaches Ans. And is this all Then I see there is no more necessity for any to be acquanted with the History of Christs life and death than with the History of other holy saints of God and we have no more interest in that than in these is that to exalt Christ's Satisfaction and Propitiation All that was written afore time was written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope Rom. 15 4. And is the History of Christ of the same nature and use with the History of others And is there no more to be gathered therefrom than what an example may contribute This is pure Socinianisme in graine 18. In fine he discovereth to us another mystery concluding thus The History indeed is profitable and comfortable conjoyned with the mystery but not without it but the mystery is and can be profitable without the explicite and external knowledge of the History Ans. That the knowledge of the History without the receiving of Christ held forth therein conforme to the Gospel termes is of little use as to Salvation we grant but what else he meaneth by the mystery I know not unless he meane the light within 2. Can he shew us how the mystery can be known without the History Or to whom and when it hath been known 3. Why was the Gospel written and that by so many several hands And why have we any books of the New Testament And why did Christ appoint Oâ—fâ—cers to continue to the end Why did he send forth his Apostles to bear witness of his Death and Resurrection Why saith Iohn Chap. 20 vers 31. but these are written that ye might beleeve that Iesus is the Christ the Son of God and that beleeving ye might have life through his name Thus we see how at one dash this Mischievous Man would destroy the whole administration of the Gospel by making it altogether unnecessary unto salvation what a desperat designe must these men have 19. In the fift place he cometh to clear how
with such dottages Either sure these men are meer mockers or they are under a judicial stroke of blindness and infatuation But sayes he This word is really sowne in the stonny and thorny ground as well as in the good Alas poor man thinks he that every word in a parable must be pressed thus till it bleed Who ever heard rational men speak thus And though it were so this will not speak for all the world a great part whereof heare nothing of this word Nay nor for all within the Church or that heare the word for open mockers contemners and persecuters of the word belong neither to the rocky nor thorny ground nor to the way side What he citeth out of Victor Antiochemis from Vossius Hist. Pelag. is utterly impertinent for it speaketh nothing of all the world but of such only as hear the word preached and to this end only Vossius himsef adduceth it as may be seen by his Thesis And any that read Victor's words may see that he speaketh of the preached word and not of the Quakers substance and vehicle a fanciful dream 34. He urgeth next Pag. 102. the Parable of the Talents Mat. 25. saying he that had but two talents and had improved them for his masters advantage was accepted as well as he who had five and he that had but one might have done the same And hence he inferreth that though every one hath not the same measure of grace yet every one hath that measure which is sufficient Ans. The maine thing is not here confirmed viz. That this Talent is a substantial thing and not that grace which is but an accident I beleeve he saw that what is spoken of improving these talents could not well agree to his substantial Seed and Light and far less the hideing of the one talent Nor 2. Hath he proved that these talents signifie saving grace and not meer gifts of the Spirit which are given for the good of the Church Nor 3. Hath he said any thing to cleare that by these servants are meant all the men and women in the world and not the officers of the Church or others that are gifted living within the Church These things he must clear and demonstrate before he can make any use of this Parable and till he finde himself in case to do this we proceed 35. In the third place he saith § 23. This saving seed is the Gospel which the Apostle saith Col. 1 23. was preached in every creature And the Gospel is not a bare declaration of good things but the power of God Rom. 1 16. for though the word figuratively and by a metonimy signifie the outward declaration yet properly it is that inward power vertue and life whereby the Annunciation of good things is preached in the hearts of all offering salvation unto them and willing to redeem them from their sinnes and therefore it is said to be preached in every creature when many hear not the external Gospel Ans. 1. The Gospel which was preached was the doctrine delivered by men whereof Paul himself was a Minister But that seed which he talketh of which he saith is abideing as a substance in every man is not that which Paul anâ— others whose feet were beautiful did preach That needeth no preacher for it is its owne preacher and requireth no more but hearing and obedience 2. Thus also the vanity of that criticisme upon the particle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which before we had occasion to shew to have various significations is manifest for how could that which was already in every creature be said to be preached in every creature And when was this preached in every creature Was it from the beginning of the world This he must say or he saith nothing And doth this place prove that 3. The Gospel which was preached in every creature to follow the Quakers interpretation was the same Gospel which the Colossians had heard of their faithful Ministers and that was not a substance within them that belonged neither to soul nor body 4. The terme every creature is but an hyperbolick expression as the words following under heaven are a Pleonasmus shewing the large and illimited spreading of the newes of salvation to all Nations indifferently without Restriction or Exception whereby the New Testament is differenced from the Old Test. as we fully manifested Chap. VIII and is sufficiently explained vers 28. where every man must not betaken in its full extent as if Paul and the rest of the Apostles had spoken in the hearing of every man then breathing far less can it be meaned of every man that died before they were borne and are borne since their death Here also we hear of all wisdom yet we must not think that Paul and the rest taught Physicks Metaphysickes or Politicks c. 5. The Gospel which was preached to every Creature is explained vers 25. and called the word of God and vers 26. it is called the mystery which hath bin hid from ages and from generations but was now made manifest to his Saints But according to the Quakers Principles their Gospel light and seed was neveâ— hid but in all ages was in all and every one and alike manifest and clear in it self 6. The Gospel which Paul preached and whereof he was not ashamed Rom. 1 16. is that meane which God is pleased to make use of whereby to exert his power in the conversion of souls and upon this account is called the power of God So that the very preaching of the Gospel when blessed of God is a powerful meane of salvation being accompanied with faith in the hearers is a meane of begetting faith as Paul tels us Rom. 10. when he saith that faith cometh by hearing 7. He should have told us in what place of Scripture the word Gospel is taken properly in his sense for that inward Strength Power Life which is common to all Men for till he do this we shall account him but a babler 8. We deny all such thing within every man be it a substance or an accidens that offereth salvation and redemption from sins to every man And account it a greater Antichristian expression and assertion than ever Pelagius had the confidence to maintaine And beyond what any Socinian ever durst vent Yea I look upon it as a real and substantial overturning of the whole Gospel of the Grace of God and of our Salvation being nothing but pure paganisme and this Man doth hereby sufficiently declare himself to be a Pagan preacher 36. He addeth Pag. 105. That Paul saith Rom. 1. that in the Gospel was revealed not only the righteousness of God from faith to faith but the wrath of God also against all such as detain the truth of God in unrighteousness Ans. The Apostle saith no such thing but to confirme the absolute necessity of the Gospel and that there is no salvation to any â—ew or Gentile but by the Gospel he beginneth with the
Gentiles and sheweth what persons they were and concludeth with the Jewes and then tels us Chap. 3 vers 9. that he had proved both Iewes and Gentiles that they are all under sin It is true he sayes the wrath of God is revealed from haven against all unrighteousness of men c. because that which may be known of God is manifest in them c. But what of this What is made known of God saith he is made known by the Gospel Ans. This is most false for the Law and Light of Nature with the works of Creation and Providence do make known much of God But this is not the Gospel of the grace of God whereby life and immortality is brought to light It is like indeed that this is all the Quakers Gospel Many things have we met with hitherto which confirmeth us in this Apprehension thisi expression here putteth it beyond all doubt Doth this Gospel manifest the righteousness of God from faith to faith Yes saith he that is it revealeth to the soul what is good just and equitable And as the soul receiveth and beleeveeth that divine righteousness it is more and more revealed from one measure to another Ans. What ignorant babling is this What effronted and bold playing with the word of God is this Is every thing that revealeth what is good just and equitable the Gospel Then the Law must be the Gospel Then Adam in innocency had the Gospel Then the dim light of nature is all the Quakers Gospel this is their Grace their Substantial thing their Light within their Seed Are they not then noble Divines And is their Religion any thing but heathenisme Is it not worse then Pelagianisme Socinianisme Arminianisme and Iesuitisme The following words cannot I confesse be well answered for they are nothing but a rabble of non-sense though fit lettuce for their lips And though he should say as some of them use to speak that I am in the witchcraft and cannot understand his meaning I must forbear noticeing of him and his tattles and see if any thing worth an answer followeth for though sayes he the outward creation declareth the power of God yet that which is known of God is revealed within by which inward revelation we are made fit to see and discerne the eternal power of the God head in the outward creation for if that inward revelation were not man could no more understand the invisible things of God by the visible and outward creation than a blinde man see colours c. Ans. 1. What is that Inward Revelation distinct from the Outward Revelation It is it may be the reception or actual intellection of what is outwardly revealed and so the Natural Faculties acting as such must be Evangelick Preachers and Inward Revealers with the Quakers 2. The text speaks of no such Inward Revelation distinct from what was had by the outward Creation For that which may be known of God was shewed unto them by the things which were made vers 19 20. 3. There is no more aptitude requisite to see and discerne God's eternal Power and God-head not the eternal power of the God-head as he speaketh in a natural way and Paul is not here speaking of a spiritual and saving way by the works of Creation than to have a natural faculty of Understanding and Reason freed of prejudices and contracted byasses and blindness for this matter is so deeply rooted in their mindes that will they nill they it cannot be thrust out 4. It seemeth by his simile that this Inward Revelation is the same to the actual understanding of these things that the eye of the body is to seeing and discerning of colours and so it is manifest that it can be nothing else but the inward faculty of the soul whereby such things are known and understood And so this Inward Faculty of the soul with the Light of Reason is the Quakers Preacher and Gospel Poor souls and what will this teach concerning the new Covenant and the way of salvation through a crucified Mediator Do the Quakers know no other Gospel then this whereof all the fruite was that it left the poor miserable heathen without excuse when they fell to their idolatrous courses O how are they to be pitied that under the clear manifestation of the Gospel do thus run back to the Heathens Theology that they may be made much more inexcusable then ever the Heathens were Do they glory so much in Paganisme 37. He tels us moreover that the Apostle saith first that that which is known of God or the knowledge of God is manifest in them and next that in and by that manifestation granted inwardly and received they were able to read and understand the power of God in visible things Answ. 1. By what authority maketh he 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the knowledge of God one the same seing this is more comprehensive and of a larger latitude 2. I do not see the second thing in the Apostles words but I want the Quakers spectacles Then he very learnedly moveth an Objection thus if any should say That the external creation of it self without any inward supernatural and saving grace or seed did declare to a natural man that God is And will he deny this He must then contradict the Apostle But what answereth he What good I pray would that knowledge do if it did not also communicat to me what was the will of God and how I should do that that is acceptable to him Ans. And what would this answere say Either the Inward Revelation which the heathens had that I may speak in his language did also reveal what was the will of God c. Or not if not to what purpose is all this said If it did then the Apostle is quite out and destroyeth hereby his owne cause But I shall help the Quaker with a distinction That same Inward Revelation as he calleth it could and did reveal to the Heathens part of the will of God concerning duties legible by the Law of nature and written upon the creation of God but could reveal nothing of the mysteries of the Gospel because these did depend upon pure Revelation there being no lineaments thereof written upon the Creation nor no vestige thereof impressed in the heart of man Hence though the Heathens knew or might have known to have put a difference betwixt somethings good and evil yet they could never understand the Revelation of Iesus Christ in the Gospel All this cleareth further that the Quâ—kers know no otheâ— Gospel but what the Heathens by the Light of Nature did understand He citeth Pag. 104. Micah 6 8. But most impertinently For the Lord gave not that revelation of his will to the Heathens which he did to the Iewes Psal. 147 19 20. Then he citeth Pauls Words Rom. 1. The wrath of God is revealed against them who detained the truth of God in unrighteousness And what then Could not the Heathens oppresse make a
dayes where the word of God and the Gospel is than of a pagan that never heard of Christ. But now what is required An External profession c. This is good enough to declare that the Quakers Churches are not Christian for they beleeve not the holy truthes set downe in the Scriptures because they oppose and contradict them Nor do they beleeve in or make profession of Jesus Christ revealed in the N. Testament because they oppose him and all his Institutions But how is this faith wrought is it by the Spirit of God No the inward light alone doth it that is it is a faith of Christ of the truth of the Scriptures that nature can sweetly naturally incline yea compel unto But this can reach no further than the truths that corrupt nature can teach and what affinity these have with the Gospel of the grace of God let Christians judge And thus we have run round and are againe where we begane 7. He inferreth from what he hath said That the inward work of holiness and laying aside of iniquity is every way necessary to constitute a member of the Church of Christ. Yet it is but such a work of holiness that nature can produce effectuat We acknowledge true holiness wrought by the Spirit of God subdueing overcoming nature to be necessary in all that are members of the Invisible Church but not necessary to constitute one a member of the visible Church general or particular What more That outward profession is necessary to make one a member of a particular congregated church though not of the catholick church Then the particular Church is not an homogeneal part of the Catholick but of a different complexion Then members of the Catholick church cannot be members of a particular Church without some more be added It seemeth then these particular Churches are Visible Churches but the Catholick is invisible Yet saith he this external profession is every way necessary where God giveth opportunity to know it and the outward testimony is to be beleeved when and where it is revealed Then it is no way necessary otherwise and so without any Knowledge Revelation or Acknowledgement or Profession of the Gospel one may be a member of the Catholick saved Church are these things consonant to Scripture 8. Next § 5. He tels us that the devil working in the mystery of iniquity taught his followers to say That none how holy so ever was a member of the church of Christ without an outward profession and unless he were initiated with some ceremonies Ans. And what can it be else but the devil working in the mystery of iniquity that taught him to say tha◠Pagans Turks Jewes who are enemies to the true Christian Religion can be members of the Catholick church without either Profession or Knowledge of Christ 2. Himself said that this profession was necessary to particular Christian Churches And are not these Churches of Christ 3. for the external ceremonies used in the Church of Rome we owne them not but such as Christ hath instituted in his word if the Spirit within him be not contrary to the Spirit speaking in the Scriptures he also should owne And againe saith he That if one have an outward profession though inwardly ungodly and irregenerate he may be a member of the true Church of Christ Ans. That such an one may be a member of the Church Visible we owne it as the truth of God and when he shall be pleased to forme a disput upon this head shall make it good And at best he is but mistaken when he addeth that this is to put light for darkness as if God did more regard words than works For the Lord calleth for both Rom 10 9 10. He is also mistaken when he sayes that Antichrist did build his structure upon this foundation For he applieth all the privileges of the Invisible Church unto his visible Synagogue of Satan distinguisheth not betwixt the Visible the Invisible Church as neither doth this Quaker non-churcheth all who are not of his combination and how neare this Quaker approacheth to him in this he can judge if he will 9. What he speaketh of the degenerating of the primitive churches is true but when among these corruptions he reckoneth Pag. 176. this as one that men became Christians that is members of the visible church by birth he is far out for if that be a corruption the Apostles first primitive Church were guilty thereof for we owne it from them Peter told the Jews that the promise was to them and to their children Act. 2 39. And Paul told the Corinthians 1 Cor. ◠14. that the children of beleevers were holy and under the Law children by birth enjoyed this privilege this privilege was never taken away from them under the Gospel What he saith of the reformed churches though there be too much truth in it yet it ill becometh him his party to upbraid them seing all their designe as hath been often observed is to make them us all mere pagan churches And instead of true holiness to presse upon us Natural Dead Antievangelick Morality CHAP. XVII Of a Ministerial call 1. OUr Quaker having thus dispatched what he had to say of the Church cometh to speak to what he had mentioned in his Thesis concerning the Ministery where we finde several things spoken unto which we shall examine severally In the beginning of his 10. Thesis he tels us That as by this gift grace and light all the true knowledge of God in spiritual things is received and revealed so by the same as it is manifested and received in the heart by its power and efficacy every true Minister of the Gospel is constituted prepared and furnished for the work of the ministry And by this moving leading and drawing must he be led commanded in his misterial work as to places where the persons to which and times when he is to be imployed That which here we are to take notice of is that which constituteth a Minister and with this Quaker the only thing that maketh one a Minister is Inward Light which he calleth also grace and a gift as it is received in its power in the heart This is all his call unto the weighty work of the Ministrie What this Light Gift and Grace is we discovered above sufficiently and after examination of all that he said of it found it to be nothing else but the dim Light and Law of Nature or the Relicques of that which once was glorious and illustrious while Adam stood because nothing else can be supposed now common to all Adam's sones or all that are Rational Creatures whether borne without or within the Church whether Pagans Barbarians Cannibals Shythians or what you will And this he makes both the Preacher or Revealer of Spiritual things and the Meane by which this Revelation is received for by it all the true knowledge of God in Spiritual
qualifications mentioned in both these places And so it saith that such ministers should have gifts and abilities acquired by reading and other meanes whereby they might be fitted for this work of the ministry This is plaine and manifest but nothing of this kinde is requisite in our Quakers speakers in order to their speaking Yet more Paul tels Titus Cap. 1 9. that the preacher must be one that holdeth fast the faithful word as he hath been taught or as in the margine in teaching or which maketh for doctrine that is sitteth and qualifieth him for teaching and edifying See Beza in loc that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and convince the gaine-sayers He must then be a learned man able to teach and acquanted with the controversies of the time that he may be in case by sound doctrine to put gaine-sayers to silence Adde one word more Act. 18 24 25 26. We finde that Aquila and Priscilla took Apollos that was an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures and was instructed in the way of the Lord and had taught diligently the things of the Lord and expounded unto him the way of God mâ—re perfectly And all this in order to hâ—s peaching further the way of God for it is said vers 27 28. And when he was disposed to passe into Achaia the brethren wrote exhorting the Disciples to receive him who when he was come helped them much which had beleeved through grace for he mightily convinced the Iewes and that publickly shewing by the Scriptures that Iesus was Christ Here then we have both practice and precept for Ministers studying that they may be able to preach sound doctrine But possibly the thing at which he most carpeth is that Ministers should study their preachings immedialy before they preach them If it be so he must be a silly man for what is the difference betwixt ones studying â— few dayes before and ones studying some yeers before when the one hath a more tenacious memory then the other But this was the errour of the Familists in N. England and of Saltmarsh opposed by worthy Mr Rutherfoord 4. 3. He saitâ— that our Ministers study their Sermons and digest them and commit them to their memory having gathered them together out of their own invention or other folks writtings To which I only saith 1. That as it is already manifested he cannot make it appear to be dissonant to primitive practice or precepts that Ministers be learned especially in the Scriptures and thereby fitted for preaching And if their memory be so happy as to retaine all they have learned and read and their Judgment so solide as to improve it pertinently according to the occasion they will have the less need to study with much paines and labour every Sermon but if both their Judgment Memory be a little blunt is the matter great if they put to a little more strength and be a little more diligent 2. But how shall we be assured that the Quakers use no such leger-de-maine as to make us beleeve they speak all without one previous thought and yet have all to a word well studyed and premeditated Such cheatry hath bin in the world and I know not why one might not doubt of the truth of what they say especially when I finde credible persons saying that they can lie as well as others 3. He speaketh thus of all the Ministers in common making no difference and if he be only acquanted with some and sure I can not tell how he should be so well acquanted with all as to know their way of studying and prepareing themselves for preaching and intend them he dealeth not ingenuously nor candidely to speak thus of all What knoweth he but there may be some that study the most of their Sermons on their knees What knoweth he but there may be some that read very little save the Bible in order to preaching and have such a ready gift as to be in case to preach upon a very short times advertishment What knoweth he but there may be some who study most to get their heart in a right frame to preach and brought under an impression of the weight of the truths they are to deliver What knoweth he but there may be some that write none of their Sermons nor committe them to their memory but having the heads of truths they are to deliverer digested waite upon the Lord for his assistance in uterance and delivery What knoweth he but there may be some that never digest their preachings so as not to lye open to the influences of the Spirit and to welcome his seasonable and useful suggestions and so speak many things which they had not once premeditated What knoweth he but there may be some that being called have gone to preach when they knew not well what to say in particular nor from what text What knoweth he but there may be some who after they have studied and been at paines to prepare themselves yet coming to speak have been so lead of the Lord that they spoke little or nothing of all they had thought to speak What knoweth he but there may be some who upon their way to the Assembly have been constrained to alter text and all which they had purposed to speak upon it If he knew none of these things he sâ—ould have learned better before he spoke thus and he cannot but be blamed for his rashness 5. But all this will not helpe the matter for 4. The Quakers saith he they affect not wisdome nâ— reloquence of words but the demonstration of the Spirit and power And hereby he insinuateth that our Ministers do the contrary But he must know that I will not beleeve all that he saith in this if he hath his eye upon some particular persons or sort of Ministers I will tell him he dealeth not fairly to impute to all what he observeth in some and I think it sufficient to tell him I know some that affecteth only that Wisdome and Eloquence that may contribute to the winning of souls and that thouâ—h they will not boast much as our windy Quakers do of their preaching as being in demonstration of the Spirit and of power yet dar say in some measure of singlâ—ness that they corrupt not the Word of God but as of sincerity but as of God in the sight of God they speak in Christ and that they have renunced the hidden things of dishonesty not walking in craftiness nor handling the Word of God deceitfully but by manifestation of the truth commending themselves to every mans conscience in the sight of God 5. They are the men that exhort rebuke and instruct and speak out experiences And thinks he there are none such with us or that our Ministers preachings have no tendency heâ—eunto If he do he is mistaken fâ—r our Ministers Sermons have all thesâ— uses and some moe as to Comfort Convince Confute c. And though they bring not forth fancies and deluâ—ions instead
This is Quakerisme indeed 13. What he addeth Pag. 256. § 23. of some turning superstitious some idolatrous and others formal upon this account if he meane it of all that oppose him and contradict his opinion I look upon it as a groundless calumny if he meane it only of some I have no minde to defend them in it Nor shall I need to retaliat and say that their leaning to these false Inspirations and diabolick Excitations having forsaken the good old way are direct meanes through the judgment of God to confirme them in their Paganisme and Paganish Antichristianisme for the matter is notoure enough though I mention none of their other miscarriages even after their Enthusiasmes wicked Inspirations and Introversions 14 Before he come to answer Objections he speaketh Pag. 25◠§ 24. to the defence of their irreligious profane and contemptuous carriage in our Assemblies for worshipe where they love to come to do open affront both â—o God and men for even in time of prayer or praise they will remaine covered He saith they do this only to keep their conscience unhurt But if there were such hazard of sin in joyning with us in our worshipe why come they to the place of Worshipe Their end can be nothing else but to do open contempt if they beleeve as he saith that our worshipe is an abomination they should keep far aback from it But the truth is their Antichristian Spirit which acteth them to an hight of rage will not suffer them to see Christ worshiped in his way And how knoweth he that our ministers pray alwayes without the Spirit Hath he the gift of discerning Spirits And can he go in to the heart and see how maters stand there We profess that we pray without the Spirit and have therefore our limited times sayes he But he is a liar we say no such thing The gift and the grace of Prayer both is of the Spirit and though it too often falleth out that there is not that faith in dependance on the Spirit that there ought to be both for the gift and for the grace yet it is not our profession that prayer should be without the Spirit and this praying with the Spirit can well consist with praying at such and such times But that Spirit without which we say we pray is your Spirit of delusion or your fantastical Dreames Impulses Drawings and Inspirations which for any thing we can see are diabolical But it seemeth they have a sagacious Spirit of discerning when one prayeth in the Spirit and when not for he sayes though one in our presence should beginne to pray not expecting the Spirit yet if it appeared that the Spirit of the Lord concurred with him we would also joyn And what is that I pray that will make this manifest unto them Is it talking in the Quakers dialect Or the Mimical posture of the body Or what is it I am apt to beleeve it must only be something of that nature As for Alexander Skeins Propositions I meddle not with them because some other hath answered them and the substance of them I have already confuted 15. He cometh after this digression to examine Objections Pag. 260. § 25. And the first is this If such inward motions and impulses be necessary to Outward acts oâ— worshipe why not also to Inward Nay much more they must be necessary for the special motions of the Spirit are more necessary unto the grace of prayer than unto the gift and in the outward exercises of worshipe there is more of a gift required than in inward What answereth he Vnto these general duties the motion and influence of the Spirit dureing the day of visitation is alwayes present striveing with the man so that if he but stand and be abstracted from his evil thoughts God is near to help him But external actions stand in need of greater and more particular influences Ans. Not to insist here on the confutation of the marrow of Pelagianisme which is laid downe for his ground thaâ— being done sufficiently above I only take notice here that with our Pelagian Quakers an Heathen or a Pagan can love God with all his heart adore fear believe in him and performe all inward worshipe of this kinde easily when he will he hath divine influences at his command nay the Spirit is within already for that end so that if he will but sist his course and abstract from his evil thoughts which he may very easily do God is at his hand and the work will go on but as to uttering of words much more is requisite that is if I be not far mistaken Nature can help him to perform â—ll Inward worshipe but he must have the supervenient Influence of an evil Spirit to act him before he performe any publick act of worshipe Such an enemie is this Spirit that acteth the Quakers unto all Publick profession of the name of Jesus and worshiping of him openly that he will never suffer any thing that looketh there away to be done until he have his hand so in it that he shall be sure it shall be more worshipe service to himself than to Christ 16. It is Objected againe That by this principle no man should do a morall duty as honour his parents do justice to his neighbours plow the land until the Spirit move him for no service else can be accepted He answereth There is a difference betwixt those general duties and particular acts of worshipe These are spiritual and are commanded to be done by the Spirit Those some way answere their end as to them whom they immediatly concerne though they proceed from a meer natural principle of self love Ans. Who denieth that there is a difference betwixt them yet each of them must be performed in the right manner else they are not acceptable and the right manner cannot be without the Spirit This he confesseth And therefore must yeeld the argument And we deny that worshipe is to be done in the Spirit according to his sense and no other way that is only by the immediat Inspirations and Imâ—ulses and Drawings of the Spirit we affirme worshipe ought to be performed in the Spirit that is by his gracious Assistance graceing the soul and breathing on his graces that they may act seasonably But sayes he further As a natural Spirit is required to performe natural acts so the Spirit of God is requisite to the performance of Spiritual acts All is granted yet he knoweth that to performe natural acts in a spiritual manner the Spirit of God is requisite and if natural acts be not performed in a spiritual manner they are not accepted of God and therefore according to his principles we must not eat drink sleep walk work plow c. till the Spirit stirre us up immediatly and carry us to the duty because without this previous motion of the Spirit we will but commit abomination in all these actions as well as in worshiping without the Spirit So
the earth shall swear by the God of truth he answereth That it was usual with the Prophets to express the great duties of the Gospel times in Mosaick termes as Ier. 31 38 39 40. Ezech. 36 25. 40. Esa. 45 23. And what the Prophet here speaketh of swearing Paul interpreteth it of confessing Rom. 14 11. Answ. That the Prophets use this way I confess But see no ground for this from Ier. 31 38. c. where the Prophet is foretelling the rebuilding of Iâ—rusalem which was accomplished in the dayes of Nehemiah And that Ezech. 36 25. is but a poor ground Nor doth that place Esai 45 23. give any countenance unto this though the Apostle Rom. 14 11. useth another word for swearing which is but exegitical thereof and the same upon the mater The only doubt remaineth whether swearing was properly ceremonial or not which the Apostles frequent practice mentioned in the preceeding argument and other arguments mentioned and to be mentioned evince not to have been ceremonial And there is more ground to make the bowing of the knee ceremonial then swearing by the name of the Lord. 12. In the tenth place he mentioneth that argument taken from Heb. 6 16. For men verily swear by the greater and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife he answereth Pag. 359. That Paul only sheweth what men in those dayes of controversie were wont to do but not what they should have done nor what the Saints did Answ. This being a practice not of any one age or people but of all ages and people whereby a principal end of swearing to wit the ending of a controversie and the right manner of going about it to wit in swearing by the greater is held forth and this being brought-in hereas an argument from the less to the more as if the Apostle had said if we believe a man who by nature is a liar when he sweareth and confirmeth what he saith by attesting God how much more ought we to believe God who is truth it self when he sweareth by himself having no greater to swear by sheweth the lawfulness and usefulness of this practice So that if this had been or were in it self a thing â—imply evil the Apostles argument would want its due force and cause men question if ever Gâ—d did or would swear it being such a sinful and an abominable thing â—roceeding from the Devil And so the whole argument and conclusion of the Apostle should be annulled and the maine pillar of our assurance and hope sâ—aken And though this differeth from these instances 1 Cor. 9 ver 24. and Luk. 14 vers 31. which he adduceth to invalidate this Yet neither can he prove that these are simply sinful and unlawful in all cases 13. As for the argument he proposeth next I owne it not and so am less concerned in his answere Only I would know what he meaneth by that expression a Christian whom God hath called unto his essential verity may no way swear What meaneth he by this essential verity And was not Paul called thereunto whatever it be How came it then that he did swear some way Were not the holy men of old called unto this essential verity how came it then that they did also sweare Such as Abraham Gen. 21 24. Iacob Gen 31 53. Ioseph Gen 47 35. Moses Iosh. 14 9. David 1 Sam. 20 3. 24 22 Ionathan 1 Sam. 20 16. Eliah 1 King 17 1. Gedaliah 2 King 25 24. Asa. 2 Chron. 15 14. Obadiah 1 King 18 10. Elisha 2 King 2 6 Are not Angels called unto this essential verity How came it then that they did swear Dan. 12 17. Revel 10 5 6 He citeth some passages of some heathens Pag. 360. who would not swear And what can this prove And what will Pythagoras prohibition evince Or Socrates his requireing that mens words should be firmer than oaths Or Plato's appearing against it These and the like may be good arguments for him whose Religion is but Paganish but have no force with us though I grant these and the like may shame Christians who regard even oathes so little He hath Pag. 361. a number of bare citations of places of some Fathers and Others without giving us their words any who hath these books may peruse them and see what they say All that I shall say is this Though it be true that many of the Fathers did in this assent to Pelagius yet the more common opinion was that Christians might in some cases lawfully sweare which they grounded upon the practice of Paul See Vossius Hist. Pelag. lib. 5. par 2. Antith 1. Pag. 513. c. And let the Reader peruse the citations he hath there adduced and he will see that some of this Quakers citations and Authors are against himself such as Cyprian Tertullian Augustine Polycarp and others The primitive Christians would not swear it is true neither by the Genius nor by the fortune of the Emperious See Tertul. Apol. Cap. 31. and from this some might gather that they would not swear at all which was certainly a mistake And we read that the Primitive Christians did sweare to be faithful to the Emperour as Vossius sheweth out of Vegetius lib 2. Cap. 5. Arnobius lib. 4. see also Dio in M. Antonino Tertul. de Cor. mil. c. 1. Eusebii histor lib 5. c. 5. He sheweth also how they used to sweare by the Eucharist out of Eusebii Histor. lib. 6. Chap. 35 The last argument which he mentioneth is not worth the naming and so I leave it 14. For a Conclusion to this let us take notice that Augustine was only labouring to keep oft unnecessary oathes and would have one and other shuning what they could the giving of oathes But would not simply condemne the taking or giving of oathes in weighty maters even under the Gospel And therefore speaking upon that sermon of Christ on the mount and having mentioned the expressions of Paul formerly spoken of he addeth Ita intelligitur praecepisse Deum ne Iuretur ne quisquam sicut bonum appetat jusjurandum assiduitate jurandi ad perjurium per consuetudinem delabatur Quapropter qui intelligit non in bonis sed necessariis jurationem habendam refrenet se quantum potest ut non eâ uâ—atur nisi necessitate cum videt pigros esse homines ad credendum quod ets utile est credere nisi juratione firmetur CHAP. XXXI Of Civil Honour 1. BEside what belongeth properly to Civil Honour of which we are now to speak there are other two particulars which he is pleased to speak something to in his Vindication of his last Thesis to wit against Vanity Prodigality in apparel and against Comoedies and such Playes concerning which I minde to be no adversary unto him only I must say he must be very affronted and shameless to suppose let be to say That all his Adversaries contenâ— for these as lawful and as no way contrary to Christian Religion
not what others say Parnel in his Shield of truth Pag. 17. said as it is cited by Mr Faldo whose Book is but lately come to my hand 2 Part. Pag. 11. of his book And here is the difference of the Ministers of the world and the Ministers of Christ the one of the letter the other of the Spirit for they are meer deceivers and witches bewitch people from the truth holding forth the shadow for the substance As for the Church so speaketh Isaac Pennington in his Questions P. 49. Q. What is the fold of the sheep Answ. The wisdom life and power of the Father even the same that is the shepherd Obj. Is not the Church the fold A. This in the Church or the Church in this is the fold but not out of this As for prayer or thanksgiving at meat hear Iames Naylor Love to the lost P. 57. But where the pure is not viz. the light all things are defiled when they are not sanctified by the word and prayer and therefore are to be received in fear and therein remembring his death till he come and so this is all their Lord's Supper too who is the word and Prayer And Pag. 13. He casts all Prayer that is not by immediat inspiration saying But as every creature is moved by the Spirit of the living God who is that Spirit who will be served with his owne alone not with any thing in man which is come in since the fall so the imaginations thinkings and conceivings are shut out And Smith Cat. P. 100. So must all come to the Sâ—irit of God by the Spirit to be ordered and cease from their own words and from their own time and learne to be silent till the Spirit give them utterance And P. 107. So the same wisdom may deny the prescribed way as being formal and may invent something instead of it in a higher mystery of iniquity and though they may not speak in such formal words composed yet in the same wisdom their words are formal they can set their own time to begin and end and when they will they can utter words when they will they can be silent and this is the unclean part which offereth to God which he doth not accept Found we not his Mans doctrine abâ—ve consonant hereunto As for Baptisme Parnel Pag. 11. els us They owne the Baptisme which is the Baptisme of Christ with the holy Ghost and with fire but they deny all other And P. 12. and now I see the other that is water Baptisme as they ordinarily call it out of scorne to be formal imitation and the invention â—f Man and so a meer delusion Smith Prim. P. 39. and Higgins warning P. 5 say we have this and the Lords Supper both from the Pope Nay Iames Naylor Love to the lost P. 52. giveth us one word for all for this I say saith he that the Father hath given his Son for a leader and guide to all ages and into and out of all formes at his will and in his way and time in every generation And therefore it is that all who know his will herein cannot endure that any visible thing should be set up to limite his leadings in Spirit And C Atkinson said I deny that God did ever or will ever reveal himself by any of these things thou callest the meanes of grace And G. Fox in his Grâ—at Mystery P. 16. And we say he Christ hath triumphed over Ordinances and blotted them out and they are not to be touched and the saints have Christ in them who is the end of outward formes and thou art deceived who thinks to finde the living among the dead And after all this and much more of the like kinde we must be accounted slanderers for saying that they deny the external part of Christianity Nay not only so but we must be horride liars and the searcher of hearts must be attested hereunto This is but an inconsiderable thing with them who account all that our Preachers say from the word of the Lord nothing but lies and satanical delusions because it is not from the immediat teaching of the Spirit and them but Professours of the Devil upon this account See Fox's Great Mystery P. 5. and 62. 3. Yet more Hence is it saith he that because we exhort people to returne and feel God within themselves saying unto them that if they feel not God neer them the notions which they have of God as he is in the heaven above the cloudes will not much profite them they maliciously endeavour to inferre that we say that God doth not exist without us Answ. Thinks he that we have no other Notion of God but as of one that is up in the heavens above the cloudes Supposeth he that we deny him to be every where present But if they beleeve there is a God in deed and in truth why talk they so much of a measure of God in every man Is the true God such a devisible thing Why do they make the soul of man a part or particle of God What meane they by the Vehicle of God Do these and the like expressions smell of orthodoxy in this matter The true God that is revealed to us in the Scriptures is a God that is one in essence and three distinct persons the Father the Son and the holy Ghost do they believe this Furthermore if they beleeve really a God without them why do they ascribe to something within them that which is peculiar unto God Doth not the morning Watch Pag. 5.6 7. assert the light within every man to be that word which Iohn speaks of Iohn 1 1 See Fox the younger P. 50 53 54. Is that a savoury expression which E. B True faith hath when he saith every man hath that which is one in union and like the Spirit of Christ even as good as the Spirit of Christ according to its measure Was that orthodox which Ed. Burroughs said the morning before he died see F. H. Testimony Now my soul and Spirit is centred in its own being with God and this form of person must returne from whence it was taken Another hath these expressions See Mr Faldo as above P. 124. Againe thou makes a great pudder that any one should witness he is equal with God Answ. A Cathechisme of the Assembly of the Priests in which they have laid down that the holy Ghost and Son is equal in power glory with the Father yet if any come but to witness the Son revealed in him or come to witness the holy Ghost in them as they gave out the Scriptures or witness the minde of Christ and witness that equal with the Father they cry out horrid blasphemy Hear what another saith Now consider what a condition these called Ministers are in They say that which is a Spiritual Substance is not infinite in it self but a creature that which came out from the Creatour and is in the hand of the Creatour which brings it
He addeeh Hâ—nce againe because we say to them when they clatter and determine of the resurrection that it were more necessary for them to know the righteous one whom they have killed in themselves to be arisen that they may be made partakers of the first resurrection and that if that be they will be more able to judge of the second they say we deny the resurrection of the body Answ. What unsavoury language is that clattering about a resurrection Is this spoken like a Châ—istian Is the Resurrection such an inconsiderable thing with him Or is it a meer problem or a thing that shall never be Next see we not here in his owne words a confirmation of what we were last saying to wit that the Quakers deny a Christ without dying and riseing and all advantage for us thereby What meaneth he by the killing of the just one within us and the riseing againe of that just one Is that the just one crucified at Ierusalem whereof Peter speaketh Act. 3 14. And Stephen speaketh Act. 7 52. and Ananias Act. 22 14 And if not to what else teâ—deth this but to banish away the very historical fâ—ith of that But now as to the Resurrection if he beleeve any such thing how cometh it that in all his great book he hath made no mention thereof Is it no article of our faith Or is it a whimsey and a fictitious notion Then let us eat and drink for to morrow we shall die and no matter whether we be Quakers or Christians Againe seing he made no meâ—tion of hâ—s fundamental article in his whole book who did he not upoâ— this occasion speak alittle to it to manifest his râ—al beleefe of it And as to others of the Quakers they give at best a most instinct sound in this point wherein they are worse then some heathen philosophers as may be seen in Mr Hicks 1. Dial. Pag. 57. c. But Turnâ—r a Quaker is more positive against it disproving it by these arguments If the bodies of men rise againe then there is a preheminence in the bodies of Men above the bodies of Beasts which is to give Solomon the lie Eccles. 3 19. Againe If the bodies of men should rise againe this is to give Iob the lie who saith The eyes that see me shall see me no more Iob 7 8. And 3. That flesh and blood shall not inherite the Kingdom of God The same Mr Hicks in his Quakers appeal answered p. 21. sheweth how Will. Pen in several of his books denieth the resurrection saying Such a resurrection is inconsistent with Scripture reason and the beliefe of all men right in their wits And againe for shame let us never make so much stir against the doctrine of Transubstantiation For the absurdity of that is rather outdone than equaled by this carnal resurrection And againe he calleth it a barbarous conceit Mr Faldo in his book against them Chap. 17. cleareth how they speak of a Resurrection and meaneth thereby only Regeneration and showeth how they shift the giving of any distinct and positive answer thereanent All which is enough to shew that it is no calumny to say they deny the resurrection of the body Adde that passage of W. Pen in his book against Mr Faldo cited in his answere Pag. 88. Either the resurrection of the body must be without the mater or it must not If it must then it is not that same numerical body and so their proper and strick taking of the word Resurrection they must let go if it must not be without the same gross mater it died with then I affirme it cannot be incorruptible because it will carry with it that which will render it corruptible ad infinitum I say we cannot see how that which is of the dust should be eternal whilst that from whence it came is by nature but temporal and that which is yet most of all irreconcilable with Scripture and right reason is that the loss and change of nature from corruptible to incorruptible natural to spiritual should not make it another body 7. Yet more he saith Hence finally because when we hear them speak inadvertently of heaven hell and the last judgment we exhort them to come out of that infernal condition in which they stand and come unto and believe the judgment of truth within their own hearts and follow the light that in this life they may sit in celestial places which are in Christ Iesus they maliciously say that we deny all heaven and hell but that which is in us and that we deny the last and general judgment Answ. But if they do account this a calumny why do they not blame themselves for not being more plaine and distinct in these necessary and fundamental points Why doth not this Man in his great book which he stileth an Apology of the Christian Religion deliver in plaine termes his judgment hereof Mr Faldo tels us in his key that he could never hear or read them mention any other heaven to be enjoyed by them as distinct persons but what they have within them in this world And by hell he tels us they mean the present torment and loss within And that by their Trembling and Quaking they mean the horrour and consternation they are under from as they say the wrath of God while the flesh is judged and they are in the hell of condemnation and he can finde no other hell that they hold And this trembling and quaking they say is such as Moses and other Prophets were seized with at the appearance of God And by the State of glory he tels us they meane the state of peace and joy resulting from the witnes of the light within in the life And that by the judgment of the great day they meane sin being judged in the conscience by the light within in this life And it is considerable that when Mr Faldo had said let them profess that they believe a happiness to be enjoyed by Men and Women after their bodies be rotted to dust distinct from the being of God or that which they had not a thousand yeers before they were born i. e. to be in God from whom as of his being they say the soul came and it will be newes to me and all that are acquanted with them Yet Will. Pen in his answere will not be plaine to declare their meaning What can this silence import else than that they are guilty in this matter And as for the last judgment how can they believe it when they deny Christ's second coming visibly personally so doth Whitehead see Mr Hicks in his 2. Dial. p. 43. 75.76 8. Notwithstanding of all this this bold man dar say that God knoweth all these calumnies are â—alsly and undeservedly cast upon them And yet they neither can will nor dar vindicat themselves What followeth being but a meer commendation of themselves which we have heard so oft I think it not worth the translating let be
inward perswasion Yet he grants that in the Church of God there should be censures exercised upon such as fall into errour 〈◊〉 well as upon such as fall into sin and after admonition if they remaine pertinacious they should be cut off by the Sword of the Spirit but not by the Sword of the Magistrate Answere 1. Yet I hope he will grant that this falling into errour must be something more then an inward perswasion even that which can be witnessed and whereof the person can be convicted and for which he can be admonished 2. We say not that Church-officers can punish by a temporal sword and so we assent to that of Chrysost. which he citeth dogmataimpia quae ab haereticis profecta sunt arguere anathematizare oportet hominibus autem parcendum est pro salute eorum orandum Nor do we say that every errour should be punished by cutting off with the temporal sword nor that all erroneous persons should be forthwith spoiled of their civil privileges There are degrees of Errours and degrees of Punishments so are there various kindes of erroneous persons some Simple and deluded through ignorance others Crafty and active in spreading their corrupt seed Some may be easily after Information convinced of their mistake Others are Pertinacious and Imperswadible 3. What meanes he by cutting off with the sword of the Spirit Understandeth he Church excommunication Or cutting off by an Inspiration or by the light within But he owneth no Church beside their owne And in their owne they have no set and fixed officers by whom such a sentence should be given out And I wonder what that errour would be for which they would draw forth this sword of the Spirit it would be I judge pure orthodoxy 4. But I desire in his next that he would cleare to me how this shall not be a forceing of conscience in things immediatly betwixt God and man and between men of the same perswasion as he spoke above we accept howeveâ— of this concession and shall make our own use of it afterward as he shall hear 10. This being all which he had to say for clearing of the question he cometh § 2. to tell us that he will prove That man hath not authority over the conscience by vertue of any power or dominion which he hath in the government of the world And unless by Conscience here he meane the outward and imperated acts which are properly the actions of the man that come in the open view of the world he doth nothing but mocke his Reader and publish his owne ignorance And the same we say to his argument which is this That mans conscience is the seat and throne of God And moreover this Argument will plead as effectually for freedom from Church censures as from Civil punishments for the Church or his Light within can no more invade Gods Throne and Jurisdiction than the Magistrate But his after-expressions intimate that his meaning is of outward actions for he proceedeth very confusedly in his probation and saith that the magistrate is not capable to judge in these maters Little adverting that this will take away their power even in civil things for as to many such they have not alwayes all the fitness requisite to judge but must take help And the same may be said of his Church and how shall they then draw forth the Sword of the Spirit But all this is nothing to our present question for he will not yeeld this power even to such magistrates as are able to judge in these maters or if he will he must not plead for Liberty of Conscience 11. His second argument is Pag. 317. This power is contrary to the nature of the Gospel But why so Because Christ said his Kingdom was not of this world Answere Yet Christ nor his Apostles never used this argument in their defences which I think they would have done if this were so Againe What thinks he of that which Christ did Ioh. 2 15 16 17. This consequence is water weak for we are not pleading as his following words suppose for the Magistrates power in propagating the Gospel by fire and sword but for suppressing of what is destructive to the Kingdom of Christ and is dishonourable to God And knoweth he not that in Christs Kingdome Righteousness betwixt man and man in things civil is required Knoweth he not that the Gospel teacheth us to live soberly and righteously as well as holy Tit. 2 12. Will he therefore say that Magistrates have not power to punish Injustice and wicked Unrighteousness or what is contrare to sobriety No for he hath granted this already What can his argument then conclude His saying That when Christ sent forth his disciples he said not to them goe kill scourge imprison c. Is but a demonstration of his ignorance of the question Do we say that Mâ—nisters should do any such thing He citeth Luk. 9 55. but most impertinently for it toucheth not the question as he himself hath stated it that act of the Samaritans was not a mater of conscience betwixt God man immediatly but an act of incivility and inhumanity He may better hence inferre that Magistrates may not punish uncivil inhumane and indiscreet persons The quarrel here was not false doctrine nor perverting of souls Nor do we plead that ministers should use fire and sword Yea if this prove any thing it will prove that Ministers may not Anathematize which yet himself granted out of Chrysostome as we heard false teachers for that looks liker to a praying for fire or some extraordinary plague out of heaven than what we plead for He runneth wilde when he hence inferreth that far less may men now raise fire upon the earth to destroy them who believe in Christ for though this be true it saith nothing for them who are men of the same mettal with the Samaritans as to hatred of and enmity against Iesus of Nazareth For in him they do not beleeve but in a Christ within them He is as wilde when he addeth That if it was not lawful for the Apostles to compel others to be of their judgment far lesse is it lawful for men who confess themselves fallible to kill all who will not be of their judgment in Religion in all points For difference of judgment in the maters of Religion was not the ground of the Apostles quarrel against Samaria Nor do we speak of killing all that are not of our judgment in all points in maters of Religion this was the judgment and practice of their Forefathers the Phanatick Enthusiasts of Munster not ours as his owne conscience or light within him if it be not blinde and dead both may tell him At the same rate of impertinency he goeth on and sayes Christ did not by outward force compel others to believe in him And citeth Zech. 4 6. 2 Cor. 10 4. Psal. 110 3. For we are not here speaking of the way of propagating the Gospel but
of defending the truth from violent and crafty foxes who would spoile the vines yea and destroy the whole vineyaird Though we cannot with cudgeling change a fox into a lamb yet we may by force keep him from devouring the lambes And the Church desireth to use no other weapons than such as are spiritual and appointed by Christ himself The man talketh he knoweth not what 12. He ciâ—eth Pag. 319. the parable of the tares Mat. 13. Little adverting how hereby he contradicteth himself for he granted that erroneous persons might be cast out by the Church or he spoke Parables to us and is not that contrary to this Parable as he would now interpret it He granted also that Magistrates might punish Murderers and the like And are not they also children of the Devil the seed of Satan that offend do iniquity and shall be cast into the furnace of fire c What will he now say Must these all be let alone untill the day of judgment He needeth not tell us that hereticks are here included for he must prove that none else are included no Murtherers no Robbers no Whoremonâ—ers c. But the truth is the parable is against such who would think to have a Church here on earth so pure that there should be no hypocrites in it and are so severe in their rules and examinations that while they think to hold out and cast out all hypocrites they hold out and cast out some of the good wheat from whom all hypocrites can hardly be discerned though this Quaker tell us that he that hath a spiritual judgment can discerne hypocrites as well as hereticks wherein we will not believe his bare word if he mean all hypocrites I know the servants here saw and discerned some tares but we finde not that they saw all nor such as could not be plucked up without hazard to the good wheat as there are some tares that can hardly be discerned from the good wheat as Scultetus showeth us in his observations on the place He is no less impertinent when he addeth that some Magistrates have condemned that for heresie which was not for it is as true that false judgment hath been given in civil maters and innocent men have been condemned and yet he dar not say that Magistrats may not meddle in these maters 14. Then § 3. Pag. 319. He cometh to speak to our Arguments and he citeth but three in all the first is Deut. 13 1. c. where the false Prophet dreamer of dreames who would draw them away to serve other Gods is commandded to be put to death To which he should have added Deut 17 2. 7. Levit. 23 16 23 20 2 3 4 27. Exod. 22 v. 18. Deut. 18 vers 20 22. The moral equrty of which lawes binde us Christians the ground being the same the sin being an open denyal of the one God contrare to the first command moral and a drawing of people away both from the fear from the love of God Deut. 13 2 4. a seduceing of them to turne away from God which is called an evil that should be put away from the midst of them vers 5. an evil that all should feare vers 11 13. lest the anger of the Lord were kindled against all vers 17. These I say being moral grounds and the law founded thereon we cannot think but the law is also obligeing Now what sayes he to this He thinks that it is no more a rule to us than the Iewes their borrowing of gold silver from the Egyptians or then their invadeing of Canaan can warrand Christians now to invade the land of their neighboures and kill all Ans. 1. What will this say to instances before the Jewish law was erected as Iob. 31 26 27 28. and of others that were not under that law as Ezra 7 36. 2. By this one dash he maketh the whole judicial law as to its moral equity quite useless And so may hence cast all arguments proving that Magistrates may punish whoredom theft murther c. 3. There is a difference betwixt a transient fact once commanded and a standing law made to continue the transient act had its peculiar reason that perished with that occasion but the law is founded upon backed with moral lasting reasons 4. By this meanes the law made against such as gave their seed to Molech Levit. 20 2 3 4. should be null as also the lawes against blasphemy Levit. 24 10 -14 16. witches Exod. 22 18. Levit. 20 27. the like 5. Nay upon this ground he may reject all the law moral which was given to the Jewes for these moral commands were given to them as well as the other And if he make no difference all must go together so the whole Old Test. must be laid by as an almanack now out of date as said the old Simoniani and the Manichees and of late the Antinomians and Anabaptists and if he shall grant a difference betwixt these commands let him shew the difference and see if it will not plead for us for we plead not from the Law simply as a Law given to the Jewes but as a Law founded on moral equity of perpetual use and necessity for the same ends for which it was given unto them and not upon the account of any thing typical or proper and peculiar unto them I say not that all these precepts oblige unless they be rescinded under the Gospel and so I need take no notice of his reply I know upon the ceasing of that polity their whole judicial Law in so far as concerned that Polity ceased but not what was founded upon moral equity and was common to other Nations Nor is that which he urgeth from vers 9. of any weight for the mater was to be brought before the judges only the brother the Father or husband as witnesses in this horried crime were according to the usual manner to lay their hands upon the guilty condemned persons and to cast the first stone at them not that they were to judge them and execute them themselves for vers 8. thou shall not pitâ— nor spare neither shalt thou conceal him saith that they were to delate him and give him up as a malefactor that he might die publickly that so all Israel might hear and feare and do no moâ—e any such wickedness vers 11. And further though a circumstance of the Law enjoined upon some peculiar account may cease the Substance of the Law may abide 14. He speaketh next to Rom. 13. and granting that heresie is an evil deed yet he thinks the place will not prove any thing for he sayes hypocrisie is an evil and yet he cannot punish it Nor do we say that he can punish even heresie that is in the heart and is not breaking forth to the infecting of others But sayes he If maters of doctrine were here understood what absurdities would hence follow seing the tyrant Nero is here understood