to the Churche of GOD howe pernicious to the common wealth and priuate families and howe farre from the spirite of GOD forasmuche as thereby the Lorde Iesus is bereft of all his kingly Priestly and Propheticall dignitie all godlinesse is ouer throwen a windowe is opened to all sinnes and wickednesse to fraude deceipt lying fornication theft idolatrie and couetousnesse and after this life the hope of eternall life in immortall fleshe and the feare of hel fire are taken from the mindes of men euery one hauing but a sparke of godlinesse and of the knowledge of Christ doeth easily perceiue so that there needeth not heere manye woordes for the confutation thereof This one thing is briefly to be added that it may not seme woonderfull to any yf many in our age doe fall into this so grosse an errour For in suche disagreementes of true religion men knowyng the Idolatrie of the papacie the whiche can bee vnknowen to none but too the dullest kinde of men and beeing terrified from the profession of true religion through the feare of persecutions troubles or of pride plucking away the shoulders from vnder the yooke of Christe doe moste easily fall into that moste detestable errour which is beautified with the Title of sweete peace and concorde is verie plausible through the large promise of lyberty God also is iust with punisheth this intollerable vnthankefulnes of the worlde agaynst Christ and his word with such grosse errours according to that prophecie of the Apostle Because they receiued not the loue of the trueth that they might be saued Therfore god wil send thē strōg delusion that they may beleeue lies ▪ that al they might bee damned which haue not beleued the truth but haue had pleasure in vnrighteousnesse But if any shal more diligently examine the Apostolical prophecies w are written in the 2. Tim. 3. 2 Pet. 2. 3. Chapter and in the epistle of Iude concerning the last times shal then be sufficiently armed against that diuelishe peace We are also admonished in the Scriptures that true peace is enclosed in certayne limites least we shoulde be deceiued with some vaine shadowe of peace For true peace is ioyned with an vnspeakable knot to faith and charitie It consisteth also in a good thing and that also according to Christ as it is manifest by these words of the Apostle Nowe abideth faith hope and charitie these three Again Let euery one of vs please his neighbour in that which is good or in a good thing to edificatiō Also The God of pacience and consolatiō giue you that yee bee lyke minded one towardes another according to Iesus Christe that yee with one minde and one mouth may prayse God euen the father of our Lord Iesus Christe Away therfore with this newe cursed peace togeather with the house the founder therof which passeth neither for faith nor hope and is occupied in euil thinges and forbidden of GOD and shutteth out Iesus Christe For yf the studie of peace excused not Aaron for makyng a Calfe nor Saule for sacrificing nor Peter for dissembling neither shall these truely escape vnpunished of the Lorde who vnder the title of peace ouerthrowe all honestie and religion especially seeing that the Prophetes in olde time haue vehemently cryed against all promise of false peace Esay also crieth Woe to them which call euill good and good euill which put darknesse for light and light for darkenesse who put sowre for sweete and sweete for sowre This same people of peace as they wil be called cannot free it selfe from this faulte whiles that it leaueth those thinges free to them of their owne profession which GOD in his woorde hath seuerely punished and moste greeuously condempned Hitherto therefore we hope it hath beene sufficiently shewed of vs howe greatly wee ought to take heede of them all who to the godly that are inlightened with the true knowledge of the Gospell wyl haue that departing from the impure congregations and superstitions of the Romishe Churche to be vnlawfull ₠A Confutation of the Doctrine of Dauid George and H. N. the Father of the Familie of Loue By M. Nicholas Charinaeus who died heere at London Minister of the woorde in the Dutch Churche about the beginning of September in the yeere 1563. DAVID George of whom mencion is made before added to the foresayde argumentes of the aduersaries agaynst the obseruation of the Ecclesiasticall congregations that the vse of all rytes and ceremonies instituted of Christe was simply taken away by him because that hee as he thought executing the office of the holy Ghost should lead al men into all trueth and shoulde bryng foorth that which was perfect and therfore shoulde abolishe that which was but in part And seeyng that hee fained that his doctrine is moste perfect more excellent and farre surpassing the doctrine of Christ as which must be constrained to geue place vnto him whatsoeuer the scripture witnesseth of mans perfection in the commyng of Christ al that hee so impudently draweth vnto hym selfe and to his doctrine that he promiseth vnto him self to his disciples the ful dominion of the whole world immortalitie also perfect righteousnes yea that in this flesh vnderstanding by the name of perfect righteousnes that same inward affection of the minde altogeather free from all sence of sinne But a certaine chiefe builder of the house and Citie of peace and a framer of that same glasse of righteousnesse perceiuing that yet that same full libertie was not permitted vnto men by Dauid George as he that yet bounde them vnto his person boasteth that hee hath found out a more perfect doctrine then that was of Dauids To wit that whosoeuer dwelleth in the house of Loue not onely is free from all religion of Christ but also altogeather from all outward religion and from all holy ceremonies Nowe he calleth loue that same affection of the minde by which a man neyther feeleth in hym selfe nor in any other any euyll or sinne but all thinges what soeuer they bee hee interpreteth them to bee good Now because the neere kindred of the opinions of both these Antichristes doe not onely bryng to nothyng the religious obseruation of Ecclesiastical congregations which come togeather in the name of Christ but also taketh out of the mindes of men the hope of the life to come in Christe Iesus and doeth open windowes doores to al iniquities I am constrayned to confute it in this place and that in fewe woordes First of all I require of both of them that they woulde playnely prooue by manyfest testimonies out of the holy Scripture that the doctrine of the Gospel of Iesus Christ must once bee abolished out of the Churche and a nother more perfect succeede in the place thereof and if it ought too bee abolished that it is theirs that ought to succeed it to continue for euer Besides that let them perfourme those thinges in deede which the holy Scripture
For mark their meating you shal perceiue that alwaies the one draweth vpō the other wil neuer leaue him before he haue either a leg or an arme of him And in asmuch as partly by his dark speaking partly by his allegorical expositiō he hath hatched a mōster of perfectiō which he calleth Christ I haue added to the end of this booke 3. seuerall short treatises of those 3. special matters concluding the booke with a Sermō which I made heretofore moued therunto by the iudgemēt of some not only for that the present occasiō did then force me to stād vpō that historie of Christ his death which H.N. would wholy and altogither transforme into an allegorie but also for that in so large a matter of doctrine to reforme our iudgemēt I wished there might be somwhat ioined to further our cōuersation I haue likewise set down the iudgemēt of some godly learned as wel of the Dutch church as of our owne touching these heresies of H.N. that thēselues may see I am not alone neither in my opiniō of thē neither in this necessarie cōtention by writing with thē These fruits of my labours my very good Lord I present vnto your honour as a publike testimonie of my humble duetie good will vnto your L. not only in respect of my selfe for your L. great good deseruings towarde me but also in regarde of many others who find a safe harborow vnder your honourable protection and haue such an easie accesse entrance vnto your honour in all their good occasions and lawfull requests as bindeth vs vnto all duetie and thankfulnesse vnto his maiestie and your honor as his instrument for the same Which hath made me bold at this time to cōmend vnto your honourable care the redresse of a dangerous enormity which of late hath broken out in this land I meane this Athisme brought in by H.N. that his household who will bee called the Familie of loue The seruice your honour may doe vnto God in it is great the hope to preuaile against them in like maner is good for as true Religion spreadeth and increaseth vnder the crosse so punishment and affliction is the bane of heresie and false religion With what care and conscience such matters are to bee dealt withall that which is read in Deut. 14. may sufficiently direct your honour Where it is plainly declared that if anie shall secretly intice vnto a strange religion either friend husband or brother the nearest bondes that nature or friendship hath they stand charged not only to reueale it but also that their handes shall be first vpon them to put them to death To bewray the secretes of a deare friend who is to a man as his owne soule seemeth to flesh and blood an heynous matter to deale so with a mans brother the sonne of his mother or with his daughter the bowels of his owne bodie the law of nature doeth crie out of it and yet for the glorie of our God we are not onely in such a case to reueale this against them but our selues to be the chiefe doers in the death execution of thē which telleth vs that with the true worship of God and religion neither friendship nor nature may enter anie comparison nay it telleth vs that at the bringing in of Idolatry a strange religion how secretly soeuer the seedes therof shal be sowen rather thē by the impunitie therof Gods glorie should be defaced and the daunger that is due for the neglect thereof should be susteined we are not onely to lay aside naturall affection but euē to breake into our owne bowels to bathe our selues in our owne blood The case so nearly touching the glorie of our God I am in good hope that this which hath bene said shall sufficiently perswade your honour to enter into some speedie care consideration how to suppresse so great grieuous a danger Your L. labour in this cause so directly and so daungerously dealing against the highest hee can neuer forget to recompence who hath promised to reward euē to a cup of cold water bestowed vpō the least of those little ones who doe beleeue in his name The God of all glorie make you partaker of that honour which is assured vnto all them who by these such like fruites of faith shall trauaile the ratifying of their owne election and the remouing of all such enormities or blemishes which either hurt the health or hinder the beautie of the Church Your Lordships most bounden to serue in the Lorde Iohn Knewstub To the Reader grace and peace THe holie Apostle speaking of the comming of the Romishe Antichrist sheweth that the Lorde woulde set vp that rennagate seat as it were an executioner or sergeant of his wrathfull iudgement against those which should not haue the loue of the trueth that they which would not effectually beleeue it receiuing sentence of the Lord himself to beleeue lies effectually shoulde be put to the execution thereof by the ministerie of that seat The truth wherof as in other places of Europe so in this our Countrey especially is euidently seene where the Lord sitting in his Assise not twise a yeare but all the whole yeare long reuengeth the shameful contempt and neglect of his truth by sending numbers to their stie or walter againe which beeing drawne into the fouldes of Christ by the preaching of the Gospell behaued themselues coldly and carelesly therein And albeit in long processe of time this only cāker of Poperie be able to eat vp the whole church yet the sinnes of our Countrey crie so loude that is to say are done so openly and so vncōtrolledly in the sight of the Lord that as if he woulde make a short hande of all he setteth vpon vs with diuerse engines at once to pull downe that which he hath so graciously builded and with diuerse axes layde euen to the roote vtterly to cutte vp that which his owne hand hath planted And to follow the former comparison as where there are great store of fellons the Iustices of Assise are faine to seuer and single themselues to make the speedier hande of them euen so through heapes of those which haue no loue of the truth in them the lord is as it were faine to erect vp other iudgement seates by the which hee may ease himselfe of them and to appoint other hangmen for their quicker dispatch to the place wherevnto they are adiudged And therefore contenteth not himself now with the heresie of the Papistes which haue beene a long time the principall sincke to receiue the outcastes of the Church nor with the heresie of the Arians and Anabaptists as it were other houses of office whereunto some of the filth of the Church hath beene discharged but stirreth vp other brandes of hell to set fire as it were in euerie corner of the Church Of this sort are the vnlouely companie of them that call themselues the Familie of loue Wherevpon it may
loth a man to looke vpon the ioyntes of it while no member hath dewe proportion and place but is either looking backewarke when it shoulde see streight forward or else starting aside when it shoulde stande vpright For the conclusion doeth alwayes looke a cleane contrarie way from the Antecedent If by Hipocrates those two children were truelie iudged to bee brethren of one birth and the nearest in blood that coulde bee who were obserued alway to laugh and weepe together alwayes to be sicke and whole together Then may wee safely say by warrant from the rule of contraries that H. N. his Antecedentes might marrie with his conclusions for anie kindred that is betweene them for the one shall no sooner beginne to laugh but the other will bee sure to weepe If the one seeme to builde vppe anie thing the other will doe what in him lyeth to cast downe the same Heauie is the hande of God against them who haue refused to beare loue vnto his trueth euen so heauie as to bee giuen vp to bee strongly setled in the beleefe of open and manifest lyes As wee see it fall out with this Familie who receyuing sometime the trueth but refusing to reserue it in loue are nowe so throughly perswaded of manifest lyes that when before their eyes they fall a sunder burst in peeces and starte one parte from another by violent rushing agaynst the trueth yet bee their eyes so blinde they doe not see it and their heartes so hardened they will not beeleeue others telling them of it The Lorde in mercie keepe vs farre from that sinne whiche causeth his hande to bee so heauie vpon vs and graunt vs in affection to bee so linked to the trueth that the eyes of our mind may be alwayes cleare to discerne aswell the spottes of corrupt doctrine as the defilementes of wicked conuersation H. N. For to publish nowe in the last time out of the same grace and heartie mercifulnes of God through the same holie spirite of the loue of Iesus Christ good tidings or a ioyfull message of the kingdome of God vnto all people which sit in the darkenesse and haue a lust or longing after the true light and to bring vnto the beleeuers a great light of the true being of Iesus Christ And the glorious day of his godly clearnesse as also to expresse that God hath pitied the generations of mankinde and that Iesus Christ hath not left vs as Orphants but as our faythfull father for to beget vs a newe out of the safe making water or Doctrine of his seruice and out of his holie spirite of loue Also to iudge vs with his righteousnesse and to bring vs into his rest is come againe vnto vs according to his promises to the ende that they all which loue God and his righteousnesse and Christ and his vpright being mought presently enter into the true rest which God hath prepared from the beginning for his elect and inherite the euerlasting life Answere H. N. continueth his speach touching his office and affirmeth that he is appointed to publish good tidings or a ioyfull message of the kingdome of God vnto all people which sit in darkenesse and therefore applieth that vnto himselfe which is in the Prophet Esay of healing the broken hearted and preaching deliuerance vnto the captiues and recouering of sight vnto the blinde Which our Sauiour Christe pronounceth to haue beene fulfilled in him selfe when hee came to Nazareth vpon a Sabboth day and had the Booke of the Prophet Esaias deliuered vnto him If H. N. had remembred that it is said in that place The spirit of the Lorde is vpon me and therefore hath the Lord annoynted me and sent mee to preach good tydings vnto the poore And thervpon made first sufficient proofe that the spirit of the Lord had stirred him vp and inabled him to preach the glad tidinges to the people he might haue better been borne with all But it is apparant by that which alreadie hath beene saide if no more shoulde bee added thereunto that the spirite whiche speaketh in him is a spirite of errour and delusion whiche hath so wholie possessed him as there is nothing now beside most blasphemous and hereticall doctrine to be heard proceeding from his mouth If H. N. had any simple and sincere meaning in him or any portion of that spirit which was in the Apostles hee should after the example of the Apostle Paule in this his purpose to perswade men of his calling that it is lawfull and from God long before this time haue communicated with them that were the chief accompted as pillers of the Church touching the Gospel which he preacheth and setteth forth Which thing S. Paul thought to be so necessary that hee affirmeth him selfe did performe it lest by any meanes he shuld haue run in vaine And if he had beene of opinion that all the world from the beginning vnto the appearing of his doctrine had beene seduced hee should then haue taken profitable paines in making a plaine confutation of the errors and heresyes that be holden contrarie to his doctrin throughout all christian countryes But this secret winding in of him selfe into the heartes of the simple vnder the pleasant speach of loue without either true ioying with them or plaine confuting of thē sauoureth more of the serpents subtletie then of the doues simplicitie His charge is also as he saith to declare That God hath pitied the generatiō of mankind that Iesus Christ hath not left vs as Orphants but as our faithful father to beget vs anewe and to iudge vs with his righteousnes to bring vs into his rest is cōe againe vnto vs according vnto his promises ▪ to the end that they al which loue God his righteousnes might enter presently into the true rest which God hath prepared frō the beginning of his elect inherite the euer lasting life This hereticall doctrine is so ful fraught with violent wresting of the word of God therby to establish most horrible blasphemies That a mā can not so sone begin the cure of any one parte but the danger almost desperate of an other doth violently hale him forth to giue a helping hand vnto that Now H.N. as one that in his owne opiniō hath preuailed so farre as to match him selfe with God the father and Christ euen in titles most proper vnto them will enforce the holie Ghost to bring forth his euidence shew how he alone could come vpon the Apostles the faithful immediatly after the ascentiō of Christ For he chalengeth that promise which our sauiour Christ made vnto his Apostles in Iohn for the sending of a comforter vnto them and not leauing of them comfortlesse to be now verified at the breaking out of this doctrine which hee hath broched nowe of late If Iesus Christe had deferred his comforte so long a time after his Resurrection I doe not see but the Church
preuenting of GOD his goodnesse the dignitie and desert of bringing him selfe vnto Christe by his hatred and mislyking of sinne wheras the mislyking of sinne as well as the loue of righteousnesse are fruites that followe our beeing in Christ not causes that goe before to procure the same as appeareth in the Epistle to the Romans Likewise thinke ye also saith the Apostle that ye are deade vnto sinne and liuing vnto God in Iesus Christ our Lorde He ioyneth with the Pelagians against the grace of God which renueth and regenerateth vs and inwardly draweth vs by his spirit to beleeue and doe the will of God and will haue the grace of GOD no further to stretch vnto vs then that we haue from the Lord a lawe and doctrine whereby wee may learne what to beleeue and what to doe but the power to performe this albeit they will not refuse to call it the grace of GOD yet they say it is our nature according as August reporteth Isti autem asserunt sicut a fratribus qui eorum libros legerunt cognouimus in eo dei gratiam deputandam quod talem hominis instituit creauitque naturam quae per propriam volumtatem legem dei possit implere siue naturaliter in corde conscriptam siue in literis datam eandem quoque legē ad dei gratiam pertinere quod illam Deus in adiutoriū hominibus dedit illam vero gratiā qua vt dictum est Christiani sumus cuius Apostolus Praedicator est dicens condelector legi dei secūdum interiorem hominem Video autem aliam legem in membris meis repugnantem legi mentis mei et captiuantem me in lege peccati miser homo quis me liberabit de corpore mortis huius gratia dei per Iesum Christum dominum nostrum nolunt omnino cognoscere nec apertè quidam oppugnare audent In their opinion as Augustine saieth the grace of God towards vs is this that we haue such a nature from him that by our owne wil and power we may satisfie fulfill the law of God and that this is also that other parte of the grace of God towardes vs that hee hath giuen a lawe for the helpe of man But as for that grace whereby wee are are Christians whereof the Apostle speatketh saying I am delighted with the lawe of God in the inner man but I see an other lawe in my members striuing against the lawe of my minde Miserable man that I am who shall deliuer mee from this body of sinne The grace of God thorowe Iesus Christ our Lorde that will not acknowledge that neither dare they openly impugne or speake against it This plucking thorowe the seruice of that gracious word which he affirmeth to haue the foregoing by vs in the administration of the holie woorde in the thirde and fourth Section is according to the Pelagians the other grace of GOD which is added to that of our good nature euen to haue a rule instruction from God to guide this nature which in their opinion is so franke and so free vnto good that if it may once see the way there is no stay with it or let to keepe it from going forwarde And therefore where it is written in the Gospell after Saint Iohn No man can come vnto mee except the father which hath sent mee drawe him H.N. calleth this drawing of the father a plucking that plucking to be the giuing of a lawe and worde to rule our liues by In opinion then he ioyneth iumpe with the Pelagians for denying originall sinne he is forced to confesse the grace of GOD to be in nature and againe we see the lawe which doth poynte out the right way vnto life is called the plucking of the father or baptising in the fathers name H.N. Section 10 And that this is the vpright Christian Baptisme or washing in the name of the father and is the true baptisme which hath the forgoing in the christian doctrine of the seruice of loue Section 11 We confesse likewise that all such as beleue not euen thus in God the father beleeue vnrightly and that also they all which become not euen so as is aboue saide baptized thorowe the seruice of the holie worde vnder the obedience of the law of the Lorde or of the doctrine of his word in Gods loue or true being beare or carry not Gods holy name nor the spirite of his true beeing nor are baptized in the name of the father and that in like manner it is not meete or conuenient that men should count such vnbeleeuers and vnbaptized ones for Christians neither yet also for men at whose handes one should any way suppose or trust to finde any woorde of Gods trueth or yet any workes of righteousnesse or good seruice that God regardeth or accepteth Answeare It appeareth by these wordes that H. N. reckoneth of all beside his owne secte For there are no people beside him selfe and his familie who thinke or beleeue so erroniously as this confession teacheth as of Heathen vnbeleeuers vnbaptized ones they be his owne words as also be these It is not meete that men should account such for christians Whē hee concludeth that wee may not think to finde any woorde of God his trueth or any workes of righteousnesse among them whosoeuer beleeueth otherwise he speaketh not only ignorantly for that some trueth may be founde where there is store of errour and a wicked lyfe may be founde where the groundes of religion are truely holden but also maliciously agaynst the true Churche of GOD as that no woorde of trueth or woorke of righteousnesse were among vs who abhorre his religion as Heretical deuilishe doctrine What benefite doe these men receiue by the ministerie of the worde being thus perswaded of the Church of God In what readinesse are they to ioyne with any enimie for the ouerthrowe of the Churche being perswaded of vs that neither woorke of righteousnesse nor woorde of trueth is among vs I trust the Lorde wil moue the heartes of those who haue the gouernment in their handes either to trauaile to plant in them a better opinion of the Church or if that will not bee to cut them of as rotten members before they shall woorke any greater woe vnto the same The opinion of H. N. touching the Churche of God as appeareth by this his speache is most pernicious neither thinketh he worsse of Turks and infidels then hee doeth of all Christians that receiue not his doctrine What effectes this opinion may woorke in the heartes of the simple people that be seduced by him I leaue it to their godlie care to whom it doth chiefly appertaine to refourme the same H. N. The seconde Article Section 13 Wee beleeue in Iesus Christe the onely sonne of God our Lorde We confesse that the same sonne of GOD Iesus Christ is the very like being of the liuing God his father through whom god the father hath
duetie with them not only payeth their olde debt but also purchaseth more lande and liuing Let one of them yeelde a litle seruice vnto their God in their deuotion suche as it is and they will make that to answere the debt and daunger of their former sinnes yea and to deserue also more and greater graces to be geuen them from God according as H.N. sayth heere that they muste burie the olde man to the ende that they might euen so obteine the renuing of their spirite and minde in an vpright life Yf they coulde perswade men that there were either equitie right or reason in this kinde of dealing which they wil force vpon the Lorde it were no great matter too growe soone as riche in goodes as they doe take them selues to be in godlinesse For when they haue long tyme gone vpō credit if after their beginning to pay for wares as they shall take them they coulde perswade their creditours that the same dealing which nowe at the laste they haue light vppon doeth not onely answere their former debtes but also in equitie deserue to haue better penie-worthes alwayes after howesoeuer it should fare with their creditours they were sure to gaine greatly by it Thus blinde is man when he walketh without the worde And when his reason for some long time hath been his rule his punishment from GOD is so great that he taketh it in the ende to bee reason to depart from all equitie and reason If our sinnes were answered in that obedience wherby our life is reformed how commeth it then to passe that the Apostle speaking to the Church of Corinth after they were turned from theyr lewde life to serue the liuing God affirmeth that yf Christe be not risen they are yet in their sinnes They walked in humble obedience vnto theyr GOD they had left idolatrie fornication drunkennesse and other fruites of ignorance wherein before they had liued Notwithstanding the apostle telleth them that if Christ by his rising vp againe haue not made a cōquest for them ouer sinne hel and destruction their rising from sinne will stande them in no steede Because albeit they haue left those sinnes yet haue they not answered the Iustice of GOD for the offence whereof they haue made them giltie by theyr committing of the same as the Theefe or other malefactour may not thinke that all his offence passeth when the action is once past the purpose lefte of doeing the like it is no Plea either in lawe or reason for hym to say the deed is long since doone and my wayes are now otherwyse his offence committed against the good lawes vnder the with he liueth against the peace of his Prince must necessarily either be pardoned or els in his punishementes satisfied For albeit the deede passeth away with the tyme it is in doeing yet leaueth it that giltinesse in vs which no other thing but either pardon or punishment can discharge As for that H. N. affirmeth that our burial of the old mā obteineth the renuing of our spirite and minde in an vpright life it will in no wise stande with the doctrine left vnto vs in the woorde of god The woorde of GOD will not beare that blasphemie Touching this point God saith the Apostle which is rich in mercy euen when wee were dead by sinnes not when we had put our sinnes to death hath quickened vs togeather in Christ by whose grace yee are saued and hath raysed vs vp togeather that hee myght shewe in the ages too come the exceeding ryches of his grace through his kindenesse towardes vs in IESVS Christe For by grace are yee saued through faith and that not of your selues it is the gift of GOD not of woorkes least any man shoulde boast him selfe Which doctrine not onely affirmeth that grace and not woorkes hath brought vs vnto the estate of saluation but also that wee haue passed immediatly from the woorkes of darkenesse and a damnable estate into the workes of light and estate of our saluation Euen when wee were dead in sinnes saith the Apostle hath God quickened vs in Christ by whose grace ye are saued How is our saluation of grace not of workes if by buriyng the olde man and woorking the death and destruction of sinne we obteyne the renuing of our mind in an vpright life How can it be said that hee hath quickened vs euen when we were dead by sinnes if we haue by our woorks greatly preuailed against sinne euen so farre as to procure the death thereof before we be quickened by beeyng renued in our spirite and mynde in an vpright lyfe H.N. Beholde after this manner as wee beeleeue and doe heere confesse or acknowledge become wee rightly baptized in the name of the Sonne incorporated or implanted as fellowe members of Christe into the bodye of Christe and the stocke of Israel to the ende that wee shoulde euen so according to the trueth as true Christians and an holy people of Israel of the seed of Abraham beare or carry his holy name confesse or acknowledge the same Christ as our Sauiour before men and euen so liue and walke in his louelie vpright beeyng Wee confesse likewise that all suche as doe not imitate or followe after Iesus Christ in his death of the crosse in all obedience of the holy worde of Iesu Christ and of his holy spirite of loue to the vanquishing of the sinne the death and the hel to a burying of all iniquitie destroying nature vngodly being or become not euen so baptized or washed in his name neither yet beare the death of the sinne through the death of the crosse of Christ in their inwardnesse are no christians nor yet baptized in the name or saluation of the sonne For al such as become not baptized or washed in the name of Iesu that is in the sauing health of his death to the mortifiyng of the sinfull fleshe according to the inwarde man neither yet indeuour them thereto and yet neuerthelesse boast them to be christians they are al false n Christians also lying in al theyr confessing teaching because they enter not into the cōmunialtie of the sheepe of Christ through the death and coincor porating of the death of Christ which is the right doore of the sheepe folde of Christ but breake in some other way and beleeue not the saluation or sauing health of Iesu Christ Answeare THis conteyneth nothing els but a iustifiyng of that which hee hath professed before to wit that our imitation of Christe in his death of the crosse is our beliefe in the sonne and our baptizing in the name of the sonne and a condemning of al as false Christians who shal not enter by this his way into the sheepefolde of Christ And therfore my former answere doth dispatch this also Through this doctrine professed by H. N. faith is vtterly banished and woorkes onely and altogeather imbrased so that instead
testifieth shoulde be perfourmed of our Lorde Iesus Christe in his comming to iudgement And forasmuch as they cannot bryng one title to prooue those things vnlesse it be amongst men starke mad and deceiued with the enchauntment of false libertie For none can lay anye other fundatiō then that is laide which is Iesus Christ and these things not being proued all their dreames must fall it followeth then that the doctrine of Christ muste bee holden as perfect that it is a meere blasphemie and deceipt of the deuill whatsoeuer they vnaduisedly or vainely boast of a greater perfection of their doctrine then the doctrine of Christ whatsoeuer they promise of the libertie of Ecclesiasticall congregations Now in that they obiect that the holy Ghost was promised which should lead them into al trueth it helpeth thē nothing at all for the scripture which testifieth the holy ghost to be promised the same also testifieth that the promise is fulfilled in the disciples of christ If one part of the scripture is to be beleued it is meete that the other also be receiued That therfore which was perfourmed of Christ Iesus in the disciples 1500 yeeres agoe and more they vaynely dreame to be differred vnto their time The Apostles were led by the holy Ghost into all truth asmuche as was necessarie for mans saluation and the same spirite doeth yet seale confirme the same trueth in the hartes of the faithfull And the same scripture also testifieth that the holy Ghost wyl deliuer nothyng differing from the mind and doctrine of Christe but altogeather the same Soo Christ said to his disciples That Spirite of trueth which proceedeth from the father that beareth witnesse of me And agayn It shal teach you al things which I haue tolde you Also He shall glorifie me for hee shall receiue of mine and shewe it vnto you So the Apostle Peter calleth the holy Ghoste whiche GOD hath geuen the witnesse of Christ And Paule agreeing in the same saith None speaking by the spirite of GOD calleth Iesus Execrable And no man can say that Iesus is the Lorde but by the holy Ghost As though he should say here by a man may knowe whether any be led by the spirite of God or no to wit yf hee loue Christ and his doctrine and studie to promote it In vayne therefore vnder the pretence of the holy ghost is any other doctrine then of the Lord Iesus Christ hoped for seeing that it is the office of the holy Ghost to beare witnesse of Christ to glorifie him to teache his woordes and to declare those thinges which he hath receiued of him But if the aduersaries wil yet further saie that there is mention made in the Scripture of an imperfect and perfect doctrine and an imperfect one to be deliuered to the Apostles which at the length shoulde giue place to a more perfect according to that For we know in part we prophesy in part but when that which is perfect is come then that which is in part shal be abolished Also Nowe we see through a glasse darkly c. We answere that the Apostle conferreth not the doctrine or Apostolicall knowledge with any other which euer shoulde bee reuealed in this worlde For in these last dayes God hath spoken vnto vs by his sonne that not without cause the time of Christ might be called the last houre the vttermost and very last time the ende of the world to wit because that by him the last declaration of the wil of God shoulde be made but hee respecteth the worlde to come after the resurrection in heauen where mortalitie being put of that which is in part shal be abolished And in the same place the scripture speaking of that perfection of man calleth vs backe to the comming of Iesus Christ vnto vs from heauen So the Euangelist Iohn When Christ sayth he shall appeare we shall be like vnto him for because wee shall see him as he is And Paule to the Philippians vseth these words We looke for from heauen the Sauiour euen our Lord Iesus Christ who shal chaunge our vile bodies that they may be fashioned like vnto his glorious bodie Also to the Coloss When Christ which is our life shall appeare then shal you also appeare with him in glorie And in the Epistle to the Corinthians disputing of the glorie of the faithfull he willeth them to looke vnto the comming of Christ And least that any shoulde thinke that the apostle spake of any other time then of the last resurrection they write that they also shall come to the perfect knowledge sight of god Then saith the Apostle I shall see face to face now I know in part but thē I shal know euen as I am knowen Also he shall change our bodies We shal see him as he is c. But if the Apostles had respected that time which our aduersaries will haue they had bereft themselues of perfect knowledge Our aduersaries therefore are deceiued who after the manner of impacient men wil haue that time of perfection to come before the season and woulde drawe it vnto this worlde But this perfection of knowledge which Paul speaketh of differeth not by nature and of it selfe from that vnperfect doctrine and knowledge but onely it differeth in manner as well in enioying as also in vnderstanding it For now we haue neede of sundrie helpes to atteine to the knowledge of God and to this knowledge may alwayes in this life some thing be added but in the life to come the same knowlege which here is had of him out of his worde shal not bee changed into any other but shal be made perfect by a newe meanes and shall bee had by the onely beholding of god Onely therefore the meanes of obtayning this knowledge shal be diuers and the reuealing more full Because God shal be all in all And that which the Apostle writeth to the Hebrues Therefore leauing the doctrine of the beginning of Christ let vs be led forwarde vnto perfection not laying agayne the foundation of repentaunce from dead workes and of faith toward God of the doctrine of baptisme in laying on of hands of the resurrection from the dead of eternal iudgement He declareth not that there shal at length come a time in this worlde in which there shal be reuealed a more perfect doctrine then that of Christ the Apostles But he calleth the doctrine of the generall mystery of the priesthood of Christ a certayne perfect doctrine in comparison to the first principles of the Catechisme As are the profession of amendement of life of faith in God the doctrine of baptisme and the laying on of hands the article of the resurrection of the dead of the iudgement to come which are as it were the chiefe principles of religion which generally ought to be knowen and vnderstood euen of children when as al do not so perceiue the