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A16832	A defence of the gouernment established in the Church of Englande for ecclesiasticall matters Contayning an aunswere vnto a treatise called, The learned discourse of eccl. gouernment, otherwise intituled, A briefe and plaine declaration concerning the desires of all the faithfull ministers that haue, and do seeke for the discipline and reformation of the Church of Englande. Comprehending likewise an aunswere to the arguments in a treatise named The iudgement of a most reuerend and learned man from beyond the seas, &c. Aunsvvering also to the argumentes of Caluine, Beza, and Danæus, with other our reuerend learned brethren, besides Cænaiis and Bodinus, both for the regiment of women, and in defence of her Maiestie, and of all other Christian princes supreme gouernment in ecclesiasticall causes ... Aunsvvered by Iohn Bridges Deane of Sarum.	Bridges, John, d. 1618.	1587 (1587)	STC 3734; ESTC S106910	1,530,757	1,400

successe that in steede of true doctrine followed all maner of corruptions of the same At leastwise this is a readie way to make it to haue folowed For we must here againe temper mollifie this peremptorie spéech Sithe God be praysed it hath not so folowed in the whole Church euerie part therof neither in the whole corps of doctrine and euerie part thereof as ignoraunce heresies Idolatrie superstition c. For then the faith of Christe had vtterly sayled contrarie to the promise of Christ Matth. 16. and the gates of hell had preuayled against his Church these Good intentes I graunt hauing doone much hurt euen in all places at leastwise in one thing or another And likewise I graunt that on this occasion among others the Discipline degenerated into intollerable tyrannie and externall domination Whereof ensued all vnbridled licence of vngodlie liuing Howbeit wheras you conclude saying To be short the exchange of the ordinance of God and Christ brou●●t in nothing but the Deuill and Antichrist This is somewhat too short a conclusion on this matter and too sharpe also to impute all this to the exchange of the ordinance of God and Christe Yee spake before of good intentes of men contrarie to the good pleasure of Gods will expressed in his holie woorde And if yée meane such exchange of the ordinaunce of God and Christe you say something but to vs or to this present question betwéene vs nothing But if you thinke that the Churche of God is so necessarilie and perpetuallie tyed to all those Offices which eyther God meaning the Father or Iesus Christe his sonne our Lorde being God also did eyther himselfe ordayne or the Apostles or the Churche in their dayes ordayned that shée can-not let goe some of those offices and bring in other some still retayning those that are by Christe and his Apostles ordayned to be perpetuall in his Churche this is a great errour in you For God himselfe ordained all the Leuiticall and sacrificing Priesthood and other offices no we cleane ceassed And Christe whom ye will confesse to be God also did his owne self● ordayne Apostles and Euangelistes c. And these were the principall offices that were established and yet euen these are ceassed and gone also So that here we sée the manifest exchange of the ordinance of God and Christ. And wil you conclude straight waies hereupon Is there a change of the ordinance of God and Christ Then to be short it brought nothing but the Deuill and Antichrist Yea but will you say you take vs now too shorte for we meane not such changes as God and Christ made but such changes as men make of good ententes contrarie to the good pleasure of Gods will expressed in his holie worde Well if that be your meaning what is that to vs Or else how doth your argument followe For God be blessed none of all these vnhappie successes are hapned yet to vs and I hope and pray that God will blesse vs still from them Haue not we the onely and whole doctrine of Gods trueth Doe wée maintaine anie errors No themselues can not denie it I report mee to these Learned discoursers owne testimonie in their Preface that we differ not in matter or in the substance of Religion which hath in diuerse assemblies abroade and at home beene disputed resolued and nowe publikely maintayned for our true and holy faith If then we mainetaine the true and holy faith and differ not from themselues as they say in substance of Religion can these spéeches be charitablie or truely applied vnto vs that we bring in or maintaine nothing but the Diuell and Antichriste Or doe we bring in or maintaine the Deuill and Antichrist So hardly vnder the name of the olde Fathers these spéeches runne against vs their Brethren whom they confesse to agrée with them selues in doctrine and who is this Antichrist that they meane If it bee the Pope haue not we driuen him out and all his error● and professe and Teach the only truthe of God And if we teach the truthe haue we the Deuill Or rather may we not say with our Sauiour Iesus Christ both in our defence we haue no Deuill and demaunde of you If wee speake the truth whie doe ye not beleeue vs O Brethren take héede of such bitter spéeches as prepostorous and eager zeale howbeit grounded on good entent made the Iewes breake foorth against Iesus Christe with such reprochfull tearmes as these are And although these Discourses quotation here 2. Thess. 2.12 be both impertinent to the matter in hande and also to the proouing of the bringing in the Deuill and Antichrist and least of all as we trust in God shall any whit touch vs yet sée here with howe sharpe a censure they be alleaged against vs which wordes are these that all they might be damned which beleeued not the truthe but had pleasure in vnrighteousnesse But sithe by their owne confession wee are so farre from pleasure in vnrighteousnesse that we both beleeue and professe the truthe so well as they or any other doe we more repose our selues vpon the mercie and righteousnesse of God then that we feare to be damned for these thinges or for the rash iudgementes of our Bretheren For whie to those that be in Iesus Christ there is no condemnation And if God iustifie vs who can condemne vs But what is now the conclusion of all this drift Wherefore if we minde such a reformation as shall be acceptable to God and profitable to his Church we must throughlie be resolued to set vp no newe kinde of ministerie of our owne inuention neither for teaching nor for discipline in the Eccles. state but bring all thinges to that most perfect and absolute order which God himselfe hath established by his worde We haue indéede minded such a reformation And God be praysed for it who gaue vs the minde that he hath giuen vs the meanes also to doe the thing we minded And we beléeue the Church of Englande for the publike state thereof hath such a reformation as is acceptable to God and profitable to his Churche And would be yet more acceptable vnto God more profitable to his Church if it were not for such vnnecessary schismes and hindraunces of our Brethren And if among vs beeing reformed from the Popish errors and abuses there remaine any particuler defectes or personall faultes they also being conuinced so to be may be reformed in such good order as shall not be preiudiciall to the gouernement and reformation that is established And if we must as these discoursers say be throughly resolued to set vp no new kinde of ministerie of our owne inuention neither for teaching neither for discipline in the Ecclesiasticall state Surely then for any thing I sée we must be throughly resolued not to set vp either the officers for teaching whom these men call Doctors or the officers for

we grant he doth so they much more shold liue in order therin be example to other If therfore any Eccl. senate be amōg the clergy omnis ord● eccl saith Ierom suis rectorib●● nititur All eccl order resteth on their gouernors And who then or how many are these gouernors forsooth but one Here are three orders of the clergy reckoned vp the deacons as the lowest they haue their archd for their gouernor the Elders midlemost and they are distinct heere from the deacons and from the B. and haue their arch-elder among themselues ouer them al in the senates of them And the B. are chéefest ouer the seueral churches Except we shall find in seueral prouinces archb also ouer them Which authority likewise Ierom allowed among and ouer the B. though he make none but Christ the vniuersall head and gouernor ouer all these in general that the pope now taketh vpon him But wher is here this gouernment of al this senate of gouerning Elders where are these gouerning elders that are not teachers doth Ierom here or any other where acknowlege any such order of eccl elders as medled not with the ministration of the word sacraments Ierom saith that the names of Elders B. were ●●rst vsed for al one office as we haue at large séen his opiniō therin how that vse was altered but doth he acknowlege any other presbytery Senate College Consistory or seniorie of any other Presbyters Preestes seniors and Elders than such as he sayth were 〈◊〉 called Bishops or than such as he calleth indifferently as well as he calleth Bishops sacerdotes and such as were more or le●se teachers and Ministers of the Worde and sacramentes Doth he not say in his Epistle to Euagrius Quid enim facit excepta ordinatione episcopus quod Presbyter non faciat For what doth the Bishop except ordeining that an Elder doth not As for the other Epistle to the other Rusticus being altogether of another argument we finde nothing tending hereunto saue only that he hath these wordes Vnde ad viros Ecclesiasticos c. Wherupon also vnto the Ecclesiasticall men which are called the walls and towers of the church the saying of the prophet speaketh powre foorth your teares ye Walles of Sion But because here he neither sheweth what he meant by these ecclesiasticall men nor speaketh of any Senate of them wee can gather nothing directly either for Elders or other Ecclesiasticall persons And if hee meant elders why not such as are teachers and Ministers of the Word● and sacramentes and such as he meant of in the other Epistle and in all other places where he mentioneth any ecclesiasticall elders Thus as we finde nothing in Hierome that can make any thing for any ecclesiasticall senate of elders gouerning and not teaching ●o because Danaeus citeth not Hierom simplie but endorseth him with a con●●rmation of the degrées in the Canon Lawe as though it were a perpetual Canon that ther shold still be such an ecclesiasticall senate albeit the same beeing fetched out of this sentence of Hierome as we haue séene maketh more against it than any thing for it so that this decrée being grounded thereon the one falles to the grounde with the other neuerthelesse for the more full satisfaction of the reader in this eldership so much vrged let vs also repayre to the decrees and peruse what is there likewise for this senate of Gouerning and not teaching elders And here indéede is expresse mention made that the church hath a Senate of elders ecclesia habet senatum catum presbyterorum c. The Church hath a senate the company of the Elders without whose consent it is not lawfull for the Monkes to doe any thing Roboam the sonne of Solomon did therefore leese his kingdome because hee woulde not heare his elders The Romaynes also had a senate by whose counsel they did all thinges and wee haue our senate the company or assembly of the elders These wordes are plaine that the church hath a senate and this senate is the company of the elders and that also the Monkes coulde doe nothing without their counsell Howbeit this Canon applieth not this restraint to the B. but to the Monkes And if wee shoulde vnderstande it of Bishops also which this Canon doth not yet were it but of counsell not of necessary consent and much lesse of ioint authority with him But the Question is nowe what manner of elders these were Whether they were such as these examples of the Romane Senate or as the Elders whose counsel Roboam did refuse or they were Ministers of the word and Sacraments For our better vnderstanding hereof we haue to resort to the cause handled immediatly before which was the 15. cause Quest. 7. Absque Synodali Without a synodal audience for a Preest to bee condemned it was in the Councell of Hispalis wherin Isodorus was present forbidden on this wise Sexta actione c. In the sixt action we finde that Flagitanus an Elder of the Church of Corduba was in times past deposed by his Bishop and being innocent was condemned to exile or banishment whome we finde againe to be restored to his own order the same thing haue we againe decreed against your presumption that according to the synodall sentēce of the holie fathers none of you think that any Elder or Deacon ought to be deposed without the examination of a Councel For there are many that by tyrannicall power not by authoritie Canonicall doe condemne those that haue not bene examined And as they exalt some for fauour sake so they debase some for for hatred and enuy and condem them vpon a lighte blast of opinion whose fault they mislike For a bishoppe can alone giue honour vnto preestes and ministers but he can not alone take it from them For if those which in this worlde haue of their Lordes atteyned to the honor of their liberty are not tumbled downe againe into the bond of seruitude except they shal haue beene publikely accused before the Praetors or cheefe Iustices and gouernours in the iudgement Court how much more they that beeing consecrated to the Altars of God are adorned with Ecclesiasticall honour which verily neither by one condemning them nor one iudging them can bee deposed from the priuiledge of their honor but by a present Synodall iudgement That thing must wholy be determined of them that the Canon hath commaunded And it followeth Si quid c. If any thing shall come to thine eares of any Clearke that may iustly offend thee beleeue it not easily leaste the matter being not knowne doe inflambe thee by reuengement But the trueth of the matter is to be searched out diligently in the presence of Seniors of the Church and then if the quality of the matter shall require it let the Canonicall correction strike the fault of the offender Héere are Seniors also of the Church named And againe Episcopus Let the