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A51738 The considerations which oblig'd Peter Manby dean of London-dery, to embrace the Roman Catholic religion humbly dedicated to His Grace the Lord Primate of Ireland. Manby, Peter, d. 1697. 1687 (1687) Wing M384; ESTC R7924 16,848 24

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unto them But another promise that he will do it without the Ministry of his Priests we read not of in the New Testament I pray the Reader to consider whether private Sinners in the Church of England do not offend God at a much cheaper rate then in the Church of Rome since in the Church of Rome they are bound to some Penance But in the Church of England they may Confess to their Ministers and do Penance if they will or if they will not they may let it alone If they cannot satisfie their own Consciences saith the Common-prayer let them come to me or some other Discreet and Learned Minister and open their Grief c. That Christians may receive the Communion of Christ's Body and Blood without a previous Confession and Absolution by a Priest was never heard of in the Catholique Church until the days of Henry the VIII The third difficulty was the Answer given by Protestants to that Question in the late Kings Papers Where is that one Holy Catholique and Apostolique Church which we do profess to believe in the two Creeds Was there any such Society as one Holy Catholick Church extant upon the face of the Earth when Cranmer began his Reformation And what Provinces of the Earth did this Church inhabit This is a plain Question and desires no Answer but of the ubi or place where to find it This Society if it be not an Idea Platonica must appear somewhere And when That is known the next doubt is Did Cranmer believe himself a Member of it and if so I would fain know who gave him Authority to Reform this one Holy Catholique and Apostolique Church To set up Altar against Altar c. If there were no such Church extant upon the face of the Earth as there must be none in case she were lapsed into Idolatry what became of our Saviours Prediction that the Gates of Hell shall never prevail against his Church I am told that Dr. S eet has answer'd these Questions by saying that the Church of Rome are Idolaiers and yet a true Church at the same time Which Answer I confess I do not understand For what agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols saith St. Paul and what concord hath Christ with Belial For ye are the Temple of the living God what communion hath light with darkness 2 Cor. 6.16 What Idolaters and yet a true Church 't is as much as to say they are in the way to Heaven and Hell at the same time But such Answers must the given when there are no better I confess I never read this Answer in him I only have it by Hear-say Surely to teach and practise Idolatry destroys the very Being of a Christian Church And it the Church of Rome be no Christian Church there is an end of the Episcopal Succession of the Church of England and consequently of the Church it self To conclude that which oblig'd me most of all to the Church of Rome was the perusal of her Books of Devotion such as Saint Francis Sales Bishop of Geneva his Introduction to a Devout Life Neirembergius of the difference betwixt Temporal and Eternal Lewis Gratensis of the Love of God. Kempis of the following of Christ c. Especially the Mass it self which I read without prejudice and compar'd the Spirit of Piety which I found there with the Spirit of Reformation Instead of Idolatry I found the most Elevated and Judicious Prayers to the Holy Trinity concluding in the Name or our Saviour Jesus Christ besides the daily Sacrifice offered up to Almighty God according to his own appointment Do this in remembrance of me All this I observ'd and then said within my self God forgive the wickedness of those people who quarrel at this and persecute it with so blind and furious an aversion So did the Jews Crucify our Saviour What fault can any ingenious Protestant find with This or any other Prayer of the Mass Suscipe sancte Pater omnipotentes aeterne Deus hanc immaculatam hostiam quam ego indignus famulus tuus offero tibi Deo meo vivo vero c. Accept O Holy Father Almighty and Eternal God this unspotted Sacrifice which I thy unworthy Servant offer unto thee my living and true God for my innumerable sins offences and negligences and for all here present as also for all Faithful Christians both living and dead that it may avail both Me and Them unto everlasting life Amen If this be the Mass who but a perverse ill-natur'd Phanatick can except against it As for the Confiteor said at the beginning of Mass the Reader shall find Protestants objecting nothing against it but what Presbyterians do against that Canticle in the Common-Prayer-Book called Benedicte omnia opera O Ananias Azarias and Misael Praise ye the Lord is a● rank Popery with the Presbyterians as any thing in the Mass or Litanies of our Lady For what 's that say they but to invocate dead men who don't hear us Thus they will interpret it in their own Sense and not in the Sense of the Church of England In a word I found the Church of England beholding to the Mass for the best Flowers in her Communion Service And since some Protestants will believe nothing but their Senses let them read it as I have done and believe their own eyes The objection of its being said in the Latin Tongue allows every man to hear it that understands Latin. And as for unlearned Catholicks if the Truth were known they understand as much or more of it than Illiterate Protestants do of the Common-Prayer What does the Protestant Multitude understand of the Predictions of Isaiah Jeremiah Ezekiel Daniel Zechariah read in their Churches by appointment of the Common-Prayer How many Expositions of the Mass are extant in Print by the commandment of the Church So that no man can be ignorant of it that desires to be inform'd How much more Universal and Vulgar is the Latin than the English Tongue Had not the Jewish Church being then the only true Church in the World almost all her Scriptures and publick Service for fourteen Generations that is to say from the Captivity of Babylon unto Christ in the old Hebrew A Language not then understood by the common People Did our Saviour or his Apostles ever reprehend the Jews for this or for not Translating their Scriptures into the vulgar Language If the Service of God must be said in the Maternal Language of every Nation where shall an English-man in France or Spain that understands not the Language go to serve God upon the Lord's Day This would destroy all community of Sacraments and Liturgy between the Members of the Catholick Church which being one Body or Society of men cannot be like the builders of Babel who would not understand one anothers Language Now I beseech you Brethren saith St. Paul by the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye all speak the same thing and that there be no