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the_o commandment_n of_o god_n and_o faith_n of_o jesus_n see_v rev._n 14.9.10.11.12_o &_o 17_o 1-6_a &_o 18.2.3.4.5_o 2._o thes_n 2_o 3-12_a exod._n 20_o 4.5_o that_o it_o be_v your_o case_n appear_v by_o your_o hierarchy_n leitourgy_n confusion_n of_o people_n court_n canon_n dispensation_n licence_n suspension_n excommunication_n &c._n &c._n practise_v maintain_v and_o yield_v unto_o by_o your_o church_n minister_n and_o people_n frame_v also_o according_a to_o the_o image_n and_o fashion_n of_o the_o romish_a apostasy_n which_o yourselves_o confess_v to_o be_v that_o beast_n speak_v of_o in_o the_o revelation_n 6._o together_o with_o these_o remember_v also_o the_o particular_n which_o i_o note_v before_o concern_v this_o point_n pag._n 22._o 31._o 60._o 63._o 73._o 94._o 103._o 114._o 122._o 126._o 129._o 133._o in_o which_o place_n you_o may_v mind_n divers_a the_o like_a with_o further_a proof_n thereof_o and_o so_o for_o the_o present_n let_v this_o suffice_v till_o we_o see_v what_o your_o next_o reply_n can_v bring_v against_o it_o the_o scripture_n allege_v against_o you_o what_o man_n of_o conscience_n know_v your_o estate_n dare_v ever_o open_v his_o mouth_n to_o say_v they_o be_v abuse_v or_o misapply_v when_o the_o corinthian_n do_v but_o neglect_v to_o excommunicate_v one_o wicked_a man_n from_o among_o they_o the_o apostle_n fit_o allege_v this_o say_n a_o little_a leaven_n leaven_v the_o whole_a lump_n 5.6_o 1_o cor._n 5.6_o how_o be_v it_o then_o abuse_v when_o we_o apply_v it_o to_o your_o estate_n which_o swarm_v with_o so_o many_o know_v wicked_a man_n and_o yet_o have_v not_o the_o power_n of_o christ_n to_o cast_v out_o any_o one_o from_o among_o you_o that_o i_o say_v nothing_o of_o the_o other_o infinite_a corruption_n among_o you_o towch_v before_o pag._n 63._o etc._n etc._n but_o in_o deed_n if_o these_o scripture_n be_v in_o any_o respect_n not_o fit_o apply_v it_o be_v in_o this_o that_o your_o corruption_n be_v so_o many_o and_o so_o abominable_a as_o you_o have_v need_n of_o far_o sharp_a corasives_n and_o other_o more_o dreadful_a sentence_n of_o scripture_n to_o be_v apply_v to_o your_o estate_n such_o as_o these_o be_v if_o any_o man_n worship_v the_o beast_n and_o his_o image_n and_o receive_v his_o mark_n in_o his_o forehead_n or_o on_o his_o hand_n the_o same_o shall_v drink_v of_o the_o wine_n of_o the_o wrath_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n rev._n 14.9.10.11_o they_o that_o receive_v not_o the_o love_n of_o the_o truth_n that_o they_o may_v be_v save_v god_n will_v send_v they_o strong_a delusion_n to_o believe_v lie_n that_o they_o may_v be_v damn_v etc._n etc._n 2_o thes_n 2.10_o 11.12_o he_o that_o obey_v not_o the_o son_n shall_v not_o see_v life_n but_o the_o wrath_n of_o god_n abide_v on_o he_o joh._n 3.36_o to_o they_o that_o be_v contentious_a and_o disobey_v the_o truth_n and_o obey_v unrighteousness_n shall_v be_v indignation_n and_o wrath_n tribulation_n and_o anguish_n upon_o the_o soul_n of_o every_o man_n that_o do_v evil_a rom._n 2.8.9_o those_o my_o enemy_n say_v christ_n which_o will_v not_o that_o i_o shall_v reign_v over_o they_o bring_v hither_o and_o slay_v they_o before_o i_o luk._n 19.27_o i_o protest_v to_o every_o man_n that_o hear_v the_o word_n of_o this_o book_n if_o any_o man_n shall_v add_v unto_o these_o thing_n god_n shall_v add_v unto_o he_o the_o plague_n that_o be_v write_v in_o this_o book_n and_o if_o any_o man_n shall_v diminish_v of_o the_o word_n of_o the_o book_n of_o this_o prophecy_n god_n shall_v take_v away_o his_o part_n out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o life_n etc._n etc._n rev._n 22.18.19_o and_o mark_v these_o clause_n well_o if_o any_o man_n worship_n if_o any_o man_n add_v if_o any_o man_n take_v away_o the_o soul_n of_o every_o man_n i_o protest_v to_o every_o man_n etc._n etc._n none_o be_v except_v let_v every_o man_n therefore_o mind_n your_o estate_n betimes_o to_o deliver_v his_o soul_n from_o the_o fierce_a wrath_n of_o god_n your_o 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