Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n
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B13489
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An ansvver to the ten counter demands propounded by T. Drakes, Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the county of Essex. By Will. Euring
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Euring, William.
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1619
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STC 10567; ESTC S114521
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