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A07880 The Popes funerall Containing a plaine, succinct, and pithy reply, to a pretensed answere of a shamelesse and foolish libell, intituled, The forerunner of Bels downfall. VVhich is nothing else indeede, (as the indifferent reader shall preceiue by the due peruse thereof,) but an euident manifestation of his owne folly; with the vtter confusion of poperie, and all popish vassals throughout the Christian world. Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1605 (1605) STC 1825; ESTC S101478 72,528 132

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his Cappe of consideration answered right grauely though neither honestly nor yet Clarkely that they should either not meddle at all with that matter or else deale rather against my person then against my Doctrine This aduise as it seemeth hath now taken place For this Libeller fighteth with might and maine against my person but dealeth too too niggardly with my Doctrine I haue else-where made mention of this Garnets Letter where I made full rehearsall thereof Ad verbum and framed a direct answere to the same The great maister Iesuite Robert Parsons affirmed about three yeares agoe that the confutation of my worthy workes as he scornfully termeth them was vndertaken and to bee published if it should seeme necessarie Now Sir this most necessarie confutation which they haue been so many yeares buzzing about is published to the worlde Yet so sillie and so simple a thing as I cannot tell what to make of it or how to name it The foure first Chapters of this Libell I would let passe without answere if two causes did not vrge me thereunto because they containe nothing but meere by-matters and impertinent stuffe First for that the well affected Reader may make good vse thereof especially by helpe of my censure annexed to the same Secondly because wise Salomon aduiseth me to answere a foole according to his foolishnesse least he seeme wise in his own conceit I therefore purpose in God to reduce to certaine distinct heads and chapters the notorious lies vaine brags vnchristian slaunders and false accusations which the Libeller hath abruptly without all Eutaxia dispersed in euery page of the aforesaid Chapters so I thinke to enlarge his most filthy and most scurrilous Libell which else for the quantitie might be an Almanack But by the power of God I will handle the last Chapter cathauton ad amussim duly examining euery sentence period thereof to the very bottome so as no starting hole shall be left him to be a sanctuarie or refuge to hide his face The Libeller would seeme desirous to grapple with me but it appeareth farre otherwise by his dealing For what man in the world taking vpon him to answere my booke the downefal of Poperie would flye from the whole booke from euery article nay from euery main point ground and period thereof as one afraid once to touch the same and onely to snatch here and there a sentence of the least force to his witting none doubtlesse It is apparant to all the well all this notwithstanding I haue so mangled and maymed him with my dartes and so wounded him with my bullets that the scarres and markes will bee seene vpon him so long as he liueth in this world In his fift and last Chapter though he hath dealt very sparingly in answering those fewe sentences whereof he made his choyse I wil God willing so bicker skirmish and grapple with him as I shal neither leaue him one whole bone in his skin nor one tooth in his head nor yet one haire on his beard That done I will send him to his good maisters as a cur-dogge that barketh apace but cannot bite and as a beardlesse boy without haire on his face voide of all learning wit sense and reason that so hee may bring them newes of his good fortune VVhat I doe here promise I hope in God to performe the same in due season CHAP. II. Of the Libellers notorious vntruthes or to speake plaine English of his flat lyes THe first word of the title of his Libell the forerūner of Bels downfal implyeth a flat lye So forsooth to insinuate to his Readers that a filthy and huge fardell of lyes but small or no truth at all can be expected from his Penne. But how is this proued Thus. Forerunner must perforce be vnderstood either in respect of my person or else in respect of my booke If in respect of my person it is both impertinent to the matter in hand and is also a manifest and flat lye in his way of proceeding I proue it because in his iudgement I had my downefall when I renounced their late Romish Religion which I thanke God for it was many yeares agoe Againe this Libeller of his great charitie auoucheth desperately that long since a foule downefall brake the necke of my soule God forgiue mee my sinnes and saue the necke of his soule if it bee his holy will I feare no such causelesse curses but haue a firme and stedfast hope of my saluation in CHRIST IESVS If in respect of my booke it is also a flat lye because it is so farre from being a forerunner that it is a plaine aftercreeping and doth aunswere my booke with as much speede as one may driue a Snaile to Rome Thus much for his first lye Let vs proceede 2 The Libeller pleaseth himselfe aboue measure in calling mee a turne-coate and a patched minister This hee repeateth againe and againe in foure seuerall Pages My aunswere standeth thus First I most willingly confesse my selfe to bee a turne-coate in a godly sense and Christian meaning that is to say to haue turned from falshod to truth from vice to vertue from iniquitie to pietie and from sinne to a Godly Christian life Hee that disdaineth or shameth to bee a turne-coate in this sense shall neuer see Gods face in his Kingdome For as holy writte teacheth vs euerie where they that are the holiest of all sinne manie a time and therefore must they either repent and turne their coate of conuersation or else perish euerlastingly And as for mine owne turning my selfe freely confessed it in the first booke which I published and to reproach one for his sinnes and errors which he humbly acknowledgeth is not only against sincere christianitie but also against all modest humanitie Neither is it to the purpose or question in controuersie betweene vs. For it skilleth not what I am my selfe so the Doctrine bee sound which I deliuer But the want of an honest cause lacke of good grounds and reasons to defend your Poperie draweth you violētly to these foolish impertinent by matters Secondly as Peter denied Christ three times of infirmitie and as Paul persecuted Christs Church of ignorance and they both for all that found mercie and fauour with God for Christs sake so my selfe I trust and constantly beleeue who erred ignorantly in my yonger yeares at which time I carefully sought the truth but found it not haue attained remission of my sins according to mercie through faith in Christ Iesus S. Austin was a Manichee after that being a Catholick Bishop hee slipped into sundrie errors Petrus Martyr Martinus Bucerus reuerend Cranmer graue Latimer learned Ridley and many others were sometime Popish Priests and yet after that most singular Preachers ' and notable Champions of Christs holy Gospell But of these yee Papists make no reckoning albeit sundrie of them sealed their Doctrine with their blood and by the Papists burnt with
by such a dispensatiō Thus write these three learned Papists who were religious Friers famous Schoolemen great diuines men of high esteeme authority euen in the church of Rome By whose ioynt and vniforme testimony it is most true euident which I affirmed out of Antoninus the Popish Archbishop of Florence viz. that Pope Martin the fift of that name dispēsed with one who had contracted and consummated matrimony with his owne naturall and full sister Whosoeuer is not either blinded with malice or carried away with partiall affection cannot for his life but giue iudgement on my side But this case will yet be farre more apparant when I shall haue confuted the Libellers most silly sottish and plaine childish reasons which he in a fooles paradice extolleth aboue the skies Let vs therfore proceed The Libeller hath 5. reasons in al such as they be which I wil God willing propound and examine otothen framing direct plaine sound solutiōs to the same Which being effected I wil soūd alarum against all English Iesuites and Iesuited Popelings as well in England as throughout the Christian world and that the controuersie may be sounded to the bottome I will euer put downe the Libeller before his reasons and my name before my answere The Libeller FIrst therefore I say that it is nothing preiudiciall to the Catholicke Faith were it true For we defend not all the particular facts of any though Popes We know that they may erre either by wronge information yea or of wilfull malice Thomas Bell. I Answere first that I yeeld to the first part of this answere so it be taken in a true and godly sence for so it maketh against the Libeller but not against my selfe The reason is euident because the Popes errors in faith and maners doe only hurt himselfe and the Papists who beleeue him and depend vpon him taking that for the Catholique Church which followeth him and beleeueth as he doth But his Errours are nothing preiudicial to the true Chatholike Church indeed which is built vpon a most sure rocke euen Christ Iesus neuer swarueth from the Truth Secondly that it is the Libellers best course not to defend all the perticular facts of their Popes for else hee must defend Pope Boniface who entred into his Popedome as a Foxe liued in it as a Woolfe and dyed out of it as a Dogge Yea he must defend much other most execrable abhominable stuffe wherof I haue written else where at large Thirdly that he must either defend this fact now in question as it shall appeare in the due place God willing or else crie fire and faggot for the Pope and so an end Fourthly that seeing the pope by popish graunt may erre by wronge information it standeth all good Christians in hand to looke narrowly vnto his fingers to examine diligently his dealings and not to venture too boldly vpon his decrees For else they may perhaps as I haue prooued elsewhere adore and worship damned spirits in stead of holy Saints Fiftly that seeing the pope by popish graunt may erre of wilfull malice it must needs be a most intollerable tyrannie and cruell villanie to tye mens soules to his decree of faith and manners For whether his Holynesse decides matters of wilfull malice or not God and his owne conscience onely can tell all others must remaine perplexed and in suspence what to say or thinke thereof Sixtly this was such a matter of fact as concernes saluation and consequently if the pope should erre herein as vndoubtedly he did the Romish faith should be ouerthrowne and turned vp-side downe For as Bellarmine the popes mouth teacheth vs this is the Romish faith Non solum in decretis fidei errare non potest summus pontifex sed neque in preceptis morum quae toti ecclesiae praescribuntur quae in rebus necessarijs ad salutem vel in ijs quae per se bona vel mala sunt versantur The pope cannot erre not only in the decrees of faith but neither in the precepts of manners which are prescribed to the whole Church and which pertaine to things necessarie vnto saluation and which of their owne nature are good or euill Now so it is that this dispensation of pope Martin concernes a matter of faith and saluation For after the popes dispensation the man was bound to beleeue that his Sister was his lawfull wife neither could he haue liued with her as with his wife vnder paine of damnation if he had beene perswaded otherwise Here the Libeller filleth vp his Pamphlet with a long tale of a Prelates Daughter to no end or purpose at all but onely for want of matter For our English Church holdeth not as their popish Church doth of her popes that her Bishops cannot erre in the decrees of faith or manners The Libeller SEcondly I tell him that his lips haue lashed out too lustily and that he hath wickedly slaundred Pope Martin and most perfidiously corrupted Antoninus The verie Title of the Chapter might haue taught him that he was in errour or at least haue giuen him a greater Caueat better to consider of the matter for it is de affinitate of affinitie And therefore had the Pope giuen one licence to marrie his owne naturall sister hee had dispensed in consanguinitie and so nothing fitting the matter intreated of in that Chapter Tho Bell. I Answere first that this silly kinde of reasoning which the Libeller vseth sheweth euidently his backe to be at the wall himselfe at a Nonplus and his wits not at home For if Antoninus may not intreat of consanguinite because the Title of the Chapter is of affinitie great absurdities may iustly be imputed to many not onely prophane but also most holy Writers euen to those whose pennes were directed by the holy ghost For holy Moses intituled The first Booke of his Pentatench Bereshith to which Title the first word only was answerable S. Mathew semblably intituled the sacred gospel The Booke of the Generation of Iesus Christ to which title one onely part of the first Chapter is fitly answerable Yea the Libeller intituleth his rayling and slaunderous pamphlet The Fore-runner of Bels Downefall and for all that small fore running can be found in it but great store of lyes slaunders cosening trickes and I cannot tell what Nay he dealeth both with my counterblast and with my Motiues So exactly doth this Goodfellow our Iesuite obserue that to which he more than peremptorily would gladly tye his betters Secondly that though Antoninus intreat in the beginning of the Chapter de affinitate of affinitie yet hath he in the same Chapter one whole Paragraph of the Popes power in dispensing as well with consanguinitie as affinitie These are Antoninus his owne expresse wordes In primo gradu affinitatis ascendentium sicut consanguinitatis Papa dispensare non potest quia est contraius diuinum naturale
vnto Bel. And why I pray you doth he desire and wish that all his books had bene burnt and that none of thē had escaped to bring newes to Bel doubtlesse because his own conscience condemned him for that silly patched answere which hee had framed against Bell which he knew himselfe very vnable to defend And for that end if all the Copies had beene consumed vp of Vulcan he would haue rested in peace and neuer haue bickered with Bel at all Marry seeing all the Copies could no way bee kept from Bels knowledge hee thought it a matter of great consequence pollicie to inuent some cozening trick point of legierdemain by help wherof he might set such a braue face on the matter as though he were innocent and no way to be touched This is the first point which I haue thought good to intimate to the Reader The Libeller in one place of his first Fore-runner telleth vs that wee shall haue more choyse of wares at the next Mart and in another place he affirmeth that by the next Poste we shall know more of his meaning Now sir both the next Poste is come and the next Mart is past and yet haue wee receiued no other wares nor any further meaning saue that onely which is already touched The Libeller therefore must perforce either confesse that this cozening tricke and point of Legierdemaine was the thing which hee intended or else that he is a notorious lyar Vtrūhorum mavis accipe gentle Fore-runner This is the second point which I haue obserued for the good of the Reader The Libeller in his second Fore-runner telleth his Reader that vnlesse I stay my selfe from answering him vntill I heare another manner of peale rung of fiue Bels hee will commend mee to my friends for a wrangler and contemne me for a captious cauelling companion Oh sweete Iesus what maner of people are our English Iesuits and other Iesuited Popelings My Bookes haue beene in their hands many yeares they haue volued and reuolued them they haue read and perused them againe and againe they haue tossed and turned them ouer and ouer they haue a long time borne all simple Papists in hands that my books haue bene answered many yeares agoe To which most impudent and false assertion the sillie ignorant Papists who dare not once reade or turne ouer one leafe of any booke which looketh awry against the Pope or popish doctrine haue giuē such credite that they haue audaciously affirmed to my face that my bookes were answered by the Iesuites Although such is the force of truth the libeller both in his first second forerunner cōfesseth plainly without all dissimulation which is not his vsuall maner that albeit my bookes haue fiue yeares agoe if his tongue were not a lyar I would belieue it receiued their answere yet is that answere hitherto suppressed vpon iust occasion Now if you demand of me what occasion that is I knowe not doubtlesse how to answere you more truly then in this plaine and simple maner viz. That either they haue no answere at all in store or else that it is such a sillie one that they are ashamed to publish it or at the least that the answere which they speake of is meere deepe silēce And so I grant willingly that my books haue receiued their answere in very deede For as they haue hitherto answered me with silence so I thinke they mean to do in future times vnlesse perhaps they purpose to publish some sillie counterfeit answere after it shall please God to call me to his mercie and to take me out of this vale of mortalitie For indeed they haue no reall answere in store as I haue proued out of their own bookes which the indifferent Reader will perceiue with all facilitie in due peruse of this my present discourse This is the third point which the gentle Reader is to obserue The Libeller telleth his Reader if hee may beleeue him that in this spirituall fight we haue the aduantage of the ground and they both sunne and wind against them And the Iesuits with their Iesuited Popelings doe often complaine of the inequalitie of time But it is a false complaint and wholy swaruing from the truth in this present case of writing publishing of bookes For first they are many and my selfe but one Secondly they either al or the best learned amongst them haue consulted and laid their heades and wits together how and in what sort to answere me as I haue already proued in this short discourse But my selfe haue consulted with none saue onely with God alone how or in what sort to writ against thē as I protest vpō my saluatiō Thirdly they haue better store of bookes though they complaine of want therein so to saue their credite if it would be then I either haue or am able any way to procure I proue it many waies First because the Iesuites in other countries haue most excellent Libraries are indeed many of them very profound learned men By meanes whereof our English Iesuites are able to write and publish moe bookes in three moneths then my self can do in three whole yeares if the truth were on their sides For their father generall hath all the Iesuites in the world at his cōmand who must lay their heades and wits together to doe at a becke whatsoeuer hee shall designe to be done Hence commeth it that our English Iesuites haue written and published this day doe write publish bookes at their good pleasure But the truth doth and will preuaile maugre their malice and in spight of the diuell Secondly the Iesuits haue all the Libraries of all the Papists in this land to vse them at their pleasures and commaunds Thirdly the Iesuits can command the purses of the ablest and richest Papists in this kingdome for the prouision and buying of all such bookes as they desire Fourthly they can haue what bookes they will to be sent out of other countries to them Fiftly they haue such store of Gold and mony that as the secular Priests their brethren write of them the Iesuite Garnets pompe expēces amounted yearely to fiue hundred pounds at the least The extraordinarie excesse of Iohn Gerard that gallant and swaggering Iesuite was valued at an higher rate then the priests could for shame expresse the horses of the same Gerard were many and of no small price He had two Geldings in a Gentlemans stable at 30. pounds a Gelding besides other elsewhere and horses of good vse When he was Prisoner in the Clinke he rode into the countrie at his own pleasure oh grieuous imprisonment and he maintained two horses in the towne with seruants in them continually The apparell of the Iesuite Oldcorne though but a pettie Iesuite was seldome lesse worth then thirtie or fortie poundes Beside hee had eight good geldings at one and the selfe same time Another Iesuite had a girdle hangers at