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A06740 A censure about the rule of beleefe practised by the Protestants VVritten in Latine by the most Reuerend Father Valerian Magni of Milan of the order of the Minors, of the seraphical S. Francis, named Capucins. And translated into English by R. Q. Gentleman Magni, Valeriano, 1587-1661.; R. Q. 1634 (1634) STC 17185; ESTC S103102 26,921 40

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tyme a certaine decree made in the yeare 494. In the first Roman councell vnder Pope Gela●asius the first These all such like heresies we condemne which were taught by Symon Magus Nicolaus Gerinthus Marcion Basilides Ebion Paulus Samosatenus Protinus Bonosus with others who infected with such like errors fell frō the church we also condemne Montanus with his impure followers Apolinard Valentinus or Manicheus Faustus Africanus Sabellius Arrius Macedonius Eunominus Nouatus Sabbatius Caelestiꝰ Donatus Eustakius Iouinianus Iulianus Gelanēsis Celestinus Maximꝰ Priscilianus of Spaine Nestorius of Constantinople Lampetius Dioscorus Eutyches Both the Peeters wherof one defiled the church of Antioch with heresies the other the church of Alexandria Acatius of Constantinople with his consorts and all other hereticks there disciples together with scismaticks with whatsoeuer they haue taught writt as also those hereticks whose names be not registred which we command to be not only reiected but also rased out for euer by euery Catholique Apostolique Roman church whom with all their followers we acknowledg to be euerlastingly cōdemned vnder the band of an anatheme neuer to be loosed Thus Pope Gelasius with the fathers of that councell The Third consequence NO ecclesiasticall iurisdiction is extant weither of Preaching the word of God nor of administring Sacraments which ech Christian ere he submitt himself to that iurisdiction is not bound in conscience first to consult the holy ghost out of the scripture so iudg whether the said iurisdiction be iust to which they may submitt themselues or els vniust whose yoacke they may shake of Therfore euen from the Apostles tymes to our dayes no true publique worship of God was extant practised in the church of God Proofe FOr that worship of God which hath hetherto beene publiquely practised in the church of God as wel concerning the preaching of the word as the administration of Sacramēts other publique ecclesiasticall rites apperteining to religion or the pietie of the faithfull towards God was alwayes decided gouerned by the Bishops Pastors of the church but especialy principaly by the fathers that were assembled in generall cōcels with an vsurpation of a supreme power ouer all Christian beleeuers which if conforme to the rule of the Biblists it be a most detestable tyrannie contrarie to the word of God no doubt also but such a manner of worshipp wherwith God was serued was execrable detestable Nor is it enough to oppose this consequence to auerr that many Biblists liued in euery age who detested that tyrannicall dominion for I graunt this These men I say were they whome as I aboue mentioned so many generall councells condemned for hereticks which if the Biblists would haue to apperteine to there church lett them looke with what conscience or colour they can approoue theire heresies when as it is most certaine that in doctrine of faith they did extreamely disagree from the beleefes which the Biblists that be now a dayes doe hold profess The Fourth consequence ALl generall councels in what manner soeuer they were celebrated in the church of Christ exercised a tyrannicall dominiō ouer the whole church of Christ cōtrary to the word of God neither was there euer extāt in the world since the Apostles dayes any true publique worship seruice of God Therfore the true church of Christ euen from the Apostles tymes to these of ours lay hid lurking in inuisiblenes being vnknowen both to herself the world Proofe FOr that assembly of Christians which from the Apostles dayes downwards to our tyme was most conspicuous to the world worshiped serued God either deceiued or compelled to doe so with a detestable tyrannye of Bishops that thē ouerswaied the church as Biblists say and those only which refused this their tyrannie were diuided into innumerable sects dissenting from ech others in essentiall matters of faith which by lilte lilte were reduced to nothing Therfore lest we be compelled to say That Chist for so long time had no church at all in the world either wee must be forced to say that the same was the church of Christ or els for want of better reason auouch an absurditie say that the church was all that while vnknowē both to it self the world lay hid lurking in inuisiblenes as many Biblists doe not stick to auouch impudently blabber THE SEVENTH CHAPTER The conclusion of the Author ANd thus far Biblist my freind I haue goe on to sett doune those absurdities which spring out of thy rule of beleefe which each one may with ease deduce at leisure albeit I haue past by many more difficile but no less true Now I would haue thee for thy credit conscience sake to free this thy rule frō that frightfull impietie phrensie with which it seemeth to be brāded this by a more learned aunswer if thou canst Which I thinke will be no smal paines to doe which I doe deeme can be done by no other meanes then either by a flatt denial of thine owne antecedents or of my consequences both which will be fowle enough But lest thou deteine thy selfe in thine answer It is not a miss I admonish thee that I haue laboured whole 26. yeares about the studie of the bible haue euer sought to finde spie out the truth with a most sinceare spotles intention of mind to this end euen from my childhood forsooke my father my mother all the snares and allurements of my temporall commodities which I might haue enioyed in the world loading on my shoulders a sore heauie cross haue thus followed Christ yet neuerheles I haue hetherto esteemed iudged out of holy writt that the authoritie of the holy church concerning matters of faith is infallible But now shoulde I admitt a diffrent rule of beleefe to witt that of thine I perceiue full well what difficulties Would ensew ther vpon which are the same mentioned by me to which I demaund of thee a satisfactorie reply though I scarse can imagine what meanes thow hast to performe the same except thow wilt perswade me to turne about like a mil-hors from the spirit to the Bible from the Bible to the spirit in a perpetuall circle for if thou remitt me to praire the inward annointment of the holy ghost or to some sacred scriptures or glosses which thou or thy compannions make vpon the Bibles text freind Biblist I would haue thee not to forget that thow beleeuest both thy self and al thy comarades to be prone to errors in matters of faith may flatly err therfore in this important busines of faith I neither ought nor can in conscience giue credit vnto thee or thine Nor canst thow gather if after that I haue examined cyfted thy sentence about matters of faith euer out of the bible that the eies of my mind bee dimmed can not see so cleere as thine because I haue not prayed implored the assistance of the holy ghost for I would haue thee know that for the space of these 26. yeares the 36. part more of ech naturall day hath beene by mee spent in watchings prayres seruinge God night day But should I giue which can not be graunted that the church may faile defile it self with errors therfore the authoritie of the same were to be renounced neuertheles I see no reason wherfore I should presently submit to your opinion subscribe to that priuat spirit by which you boast your selues to be inwardly inspired taught yea rather in this case I should doubt whether that the seripture you follow were sacred or not for hetherto with S. Augustin I had not beleeued the scriptures had not the authoritie of the church mooued mee But to faine that the holy ghost forsooke the whole church of Christ so many ages is only assistant to me a vile sinner that I only may not stray from the truth where all cuncels fathers and Churches erred not rashlie as you surmise fredne Biblist but prudently abhorre denyt esteeme it à more then Luciferian arrogāce in à mā to sou aunt him self yet should I lett this pass as thow wouldest haue it that is that thy rule of beleefe is both cōsonāt to the scriptured the inward annoinmen of the spirit what thinkest thow may bee vrged in this case This at least that vnless thow freest the same frō the infamie which it hath incurred for the aboue deduced cōsequences I must be forced to affirme that the Bible is not sacred but profane your spirit not holie but hollow your Christ not à Sauiour but à seducer nor any man of à sound iudgement can censure otherwise Wherfore except you in such sort stint my consequences that they can not be able to follow the antecedents at the heeles etther freind Biblist you must againe retourne to the authoritie of the Church whence you are departed or quod ahsit quite turne from Christ Fare you wel and see wherto this your spirit aimeth with you Consult so carefully FINIS
what impossibilities they be bound by the beleefe of their sect for as touching the Catholique rule of beleefe I will make no mention of the same it beeing held of no valuation by the biblists But to the end the consequences I am to deduce out of the antecedents of the biblists may be more euident I will sett downe those antecedents deuided into these subsequent propositions that it may manifestly appeare to the vew of euery biblists eie how sincearlie purely I treate the question Propositions 1. ALl Christians in generall particular may err in faith 2. All councells yea the pastors of the whole church of Christ assembled in a generall councell approued by the bishop of Roome may err in their decrees about faith 3. Ech Christian if he call vpon the holy ghost as he ought to doe m●● examin the doctrine of all men whom soeuer without error confronteing the same with the scriptures so censure of himself whether the said doctrine of what soeuer men euen of generall councells doe agree with the bible or disagre from it then accept or reiect the faine 4. There is no other way to know for certain which is the truth in matter of faith then by the meanes of praire to consult the holie ghost out of the bible But in all the subsequent consequences which are to be deduced out of these propositions of the biblists we require that they graunt vs this one assertion to witt 5. That Christian faith excludeth all doubts and is certaine infallible But wee are heere to note by the way that the biblists are wont to moderate the first propositions for they affirme that none cann err in faith if he agree with the sacred scripture also that none can disagree from the sacred scripture if the holy ghost doe assist him they auerr moreouer that none can be forsaken by the holy ghost if he call vpon him as he ought to doe but for as much as they auouch that it may fall out that some one may not cal vpon the holy ghost as he ought to doe consequently it may follow that all ech one may be abandoned of the holy ghost so also consequently disagree from the bible err in faith THE THIRD CHAPTER Necessarie consequences deduced out of the precedent propositions out of which it is euident what à taske ech biblist is tied vnto SEing then that this is a biblist taske to consult the holy ghost out of the scriptures for censuring of doctrines which apperteine to faith yt makes much to the purpose to set doune how greate a charge this is which they take vpon them how farr it extendeth lest in so waightie a busines as is this of eternall saluation inconsideration plunge them into perdition The first consequence ALl Christians generall councels may err in faith Therfore no Christian ought in matter of faith to beleeue any man or councell Proofe THe consequence I proue thus Because true certaine faith ought to leaue it self on an infallible authoritie but the authoritie of all men councells is supposed by the biblists to be subiect to errors Therfore in this case no men ought to be beleeued Nor doth it cutt the sinewes of the consequence to reply That men generalls councel bee to be beleeued so far as their doctrine doth concord to the scriptures for seing that they may also disagree from the same the case becommeth doubtfull then the holy ghost is to be consulted out of the Bible to the ende we may certainlie know whether they agree to the word of God or disagre from the same for that this doctrine consenteth to the bible or dissenteth from it apperteineth not to the credence of men bur to the holy ghost inwardly teaching vs out of the bible what wee are to beleeue The Second consequence THere is no other meanes for certainlie to know which is the truth in matter of faith then by way of deuout prayres to consult the holy ghost out of the bible Therfore no Christian can beleeue the articles of faith except by a special praire he first consult the holie ghost out of the bible whether those articles of faith be conforme to the same or no Proofe THe consequence is cleere because the doctrine of all Christians about matters of faith be they considered seuerall or assembled can not be iudiged to be either true or false if praire be not first made to consult the holy ghost out of the bible neither doth the holie ghost otherwise teach Christians the truth saue out of the bible therfore it is to be concluded according to this biblist rule that no Christian can beleeue the articles of faith if he doe not first consult the holy ghost about the same out of the scripture by à preuiall praire made to that effect Nor doth it in ualidate the consequence to reply that they credit their ministers propounding vnto them the word of God or doctrine glossed out of the bible for that minister may err in faith ther fore he that heareth his doctrine is bound in conscience ere he beleeue the same to consult the holy ghost by praire out of the scripture to know wether it agree with the word of God or not The Third consequence NO Christian can beleeue the articles of faith except by à preuial praire he councell the holie ghost out of the scripture Therfore those Biblists who be vnder age or want leisure or meanes to reede the bible or can not reade at all or can gett no bible to reede consult the holie ghost ther out can not haue anie true faith Proofe THis consequence can not be improued because a biblist admitteth no other rule of beleefe saue this of consulting the holy ghost out of his bible Nor is it to the purpose to reply that they haue their parsons whose charge is to expound them the word of God for these may be deceiued deceiue wherfore there doctrine is first to be examined by euere Christian whether it agree to the word of God or not ere he consent to the same which is to be done in consulting the holy ghost out of the bible by prayres first made as biblists say The Fourth consequence ALl Christian generall councells may err in faith Say the Biblists Therfore all Christians generall councels might also haue erred in there decrees about the Canon of the sacred bookes of the Bible which graunted it may be doubted whether that the biblist haue the true scriptures or no. Proofe THe consequence is aparant for the decree about the Canon of sacred bookes concerneth matter of faith yea the waightiest among al the matters of faith Therfore the church might haue erred when in the yeare of our lord 494. she made à decree in the councell held at Roome of 70 Bishops vnder Pope Gelasius the first touching the canon of canonical bookes of both testaments those that the said councell censured