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to_o the_o rest_n whereof_o we_o read_v ezech_v 20.5.7_o 1_o cor._n 15._o gal._n 5._o chap._n much_o more_o may_v and_o ought_v we_o to_o think_v thus_o of_o terah_n abraham_n father_n of_o who_o christ_n come_v according_a to_o the_o flesh_n gen._n 11.27_o with_o jos_n 24.2.14.15_o not_o to_o speak_v of_o haran_n bethuel_n rachel_n and_o the_o like_a then_o who_o do_v all_o of_o they_o serve_v the_o lord_n by_o idol_n yea_o though_o it_o have_v be_v so_o that_o rachel_n have_v dye_v before_o as_o she_o do_v present_o after_o that_o commandment_n give_v by_o jacob_n to_o his_o household_n and_o to_o all_o that_o be_v with_o he_o for_o put_v away_o the_o strange_a god_n or_o idol_n that_o be_v among_o they_o gen._n 35.2.3.4.16.18_o with_o gen._n 31.16.19.30.34_o &_o 24.4.15.50_o &_o 11.27.28_o jos_n 24.2.14.15.23.24_o so_o far_o
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the_o commandment_n of_o god_n and_o faith_n of_o jesus_n see_v rev._n 14.9.10.11.12_o &_o 17_o 1-6_a &_o 18.2.3.4.5_o 2._o thes_n 2_o 3-12_a exod._n 20_o 4.5_o that_o it_o be_v your_o case_n appear_v by_o your_o hierarchy_n leitourgy_n confusion_n of_o people_n court_n canon_n dispensation_n licence_n suspension_n excommunication_n &c._n &c._n practise_v maintain_v and_o yield_v unto_o by_o your_o church_n minister_n and_o people_n frame_v also_o according_a to_o the_o image_n and_o fashion_n of_o the_o romish_a apostasy_n which_o yourselves_o confess_v to_o be_v that_o beast_n speak_v of_o in_o the_o revelation_n 6._o together_o with_o these_o remember_v also_o the_o particular_n which_o i_o note_v before_o concern_v this_o point_n pag._n 22._o 31._o 60._o 63._o 73._o 94._o 103._o 114._o 122._o 126._o 129._o 133._o in_o which_o place_n you_o may_v mind_n divers_a the_o like_a with_o further_a proof_n thereof_o and_o so_o for_o the_o present_n let_v this_o suffice_v till_o we_o see_v what_o your_o next_o reply_n can_v bring_v against_o it_o the_o scripture_n allege_v against_o you_o what_o man_n of_o conscience_n know_v your_o estate_n dare_v ever_o open_v his_o mouth_n to_o say_v they_o be_v abuse_v or_o misapply_v when_o the_o corinthian_n do_v but_o neglect_v to_o excommunicate_v one_o wicked_a man_n from_o among_o they_o the_o apostle_n fit_o allege_v this_o say_n a_o little_a leaven_n leaven_v the_o whole_a lump_n 5.6_o 1_o cor._n 5.6_o how_o be_v it_o then_o abuse_v when_o we_o apply_v it_o to_o your_o estate_n which_o swarm_v with_o so_o many_o know_v wicked_a man_n and_o yet_o have_v not_o the_o power_n of_o christ_n to_o cast_v out_o any_o one_o from_o among_o you_o that_o i_o say_v nothing_o of_o the_o other_o infinite_a corruption_n among_o you_o towch_v before_o pag._n 63._o etc._n etc._n but_o in_o deed_n if_o these_o scripture_n be_v in_o any_o respect_n not_o fit_o apply_v it_o be_v in_o this_o that_o your_o corruption_n be_v so_o many_o and_o so_o 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