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A00796 A treatise of faith wherin is briefely, and planly [sic] shewed, a direct way, by which every man may resolue, and settle his minde, in all doubtes, questions, or controuersies, concerning matters of faith. Fisher, John, 1569-1641. 1605 (1605) STC 10915.5; ESTC S2122 65,176 166

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praedicabunt nisi mittantur How shall they beleeue him whom they haue not heard how shall they heare without a preacher how shall they preach vnlesse they be sent Therefore the true Church which only hath preachers truely sent of God must first be found out that by it we may heare and know which is the true faith Therefore of the two the true Church is rather a marke whereby we may know the true preaching and consequently the true doctrine of faith then contrary that as heretiques say the doctrine should be a marke whereby all men must know which is the true Church Thirdly true faith is included in the true Church and as it were enclosed in her belly as S. Austen saith vpon those words of the Psalme Errauerunt ab vtero ●●quu●i sunt falsa In ventre ecclesiae saith he veritas manet quisquis ab hoc ventre separatus fuerit necesse est vt falsa loquatur Truth remaineth in the belly of the Church whosoeuer is seperated to wit by difference in doctrine frō this belly of the Church must needs speake false Therfore like as if a man had golde in his belly we must first find the man before we can come to see the golde it selfe so we must first by other markes find out the true Church which hath the gold of true faith hidden in her belly before we come to see the gold of true faith it selfe Sith especially we cannot see it vnlesse shee open her mouth and deliuer it vnto vs that we cannot being spiritually blind certainely know it to be true not counterfeite but by giuing credit to her testimony of it According as the same S. Austen saith Euangelio non crederem nisi me ecclesiae authoritas commoueret I should not beleeue the Gospell it selfe vnlesse I were moued by the authority of the Church For if we had not the testimony of the Church how should we haue bin infallibly sure that there were any Gospel at all or how should wee haue knowne that those bookes which beare title of the Gospell according to S. Mathew Marke Luke and Iohn Are true Canonicall Scripture rather then those bookes which are writen in the name of Nicodemus and S. Thomas bearing the same title or inscription of Gospell Fourthly if the true doctrine of faith in all particuler pointes must bee fore knowne as a marke whereby to know the true Church then contrary to that which hath bin proued the authority of the Church should not be a necessarie meanes whereby men must come to the knowledge of the true faith For if before wee come to know which is the true Church we must by other meanes haue knowne which is the true faith what neede then is there for getting true faith already had to seeke or bring in the authority of the same Church Fiftly If before we giue absolute and vndoubted credit to the true Church we must examine and iudge whether euery particuler point of doctrine which it holdeth be the truth with authority to accept that only which we like or which seemeth in our conceipt right and conformable to Scripture to reiect whatsoeuer wee mislike or which in our priuate iudgement seemeth not so right and cōformable then we make our selues examiners and Iudges ouer the Church consequently we preferre our liking or disliking our iudgement and censure of the interpretation sense of Scripture before the iudgement and censure of the Church of God But it is absurd both in reason and religion to preferre the iudgment of any priuate man be he neuer so witty and learned or neuer so strongly perswaded in his owne mind that he is taught by the Spirit before the iudgement definitiue sentence of the Church of God the which is a company of men many of which both are alwaies haue bin vertuous wise and learned which is chiefe is such a company as according to the absolute and infallible promises of our Sauiour hath vndoubtedly the holy Spirit among them guiding them and teaching them all truth and not permitting them to erre as before hath beene proued But you may perhaps say that in Scripture we are willed not to beleeue euery spirit but to try spirits whether they bee of God or no and that therefore we must examine and try the spirit of the Church by looking into euery particuler point of doctrine which it teacheth I answere That in that place of Scripture it is not meant that it belongeth to euery particuler man to try all spirits but in generall the Scripture giueth the Church warning not to accept euery one that boasteth himselfe to haue the Spirit and willeth that they should trie those spirits not that euery simple or priuate man should take vpon him to trie them but that those of the Church to whom the office of trying spirits doth appertaine to wit the Doctors and Pastors which almighty God hath put in his Church of purpose Vt non circumfera●ur omni vento doctrinae that we may not be caried away with euery wind of doctrine and Vt non simus paruuli fluctuantes that we may not be litle ones wauering with euery blast of those that boast themselues to be singulerly taught by the Spirit So that this trying of spirits is only meant of those spirits of which men may well doubt whether they be of God or no thē also this trial belōgeth to the Pastors of the Church But when it is certaine that the spirit is of God we neither need nor ought doubtfully to examine or presūptuously to iudge of it but submitting obediently the iudgement of our owne sense and reason wee must beleeue the teaching of it in euery point Now it is most certaine that the Spirit of the true visible Church is of God as out of holie Scripture hath bin most euidently proued And therefore our only care should be to seeke out those markes by which all men may know which particuler cōpany of mē is the true Church of Christ whose doctrine we neither need nor lawfully may examine and try in doubtfull manner but must obediently and vndoubtfully in all points beleeue as the only assured and infallible truth CHAP. XV. That these foure properties Vna Sancta Catholica Apostolica that is to saie One Holy Catholique Apostolique are good markes by which men may know which is the true Church SITH our Sauiour Christ hath thought good to plant a visible Church vpon earth which he would haue to continue vntill the worlds end for this speciall in●ent and purpose that all men in all ages by meanes of it may learne the doctrine of the true faith the true worship of God the right vse of the Sacraments the holesome lawes of good life and generally all good thinges that appertaine to the glorie of God and the saluatiō of our soules wee haue not any reason to doubte but that the same our Sauiour for the exceeding loue which of his part
is absolutely infallible so also the creditt giuē to this worde which is our faith must needes be also most certaine and infallible Fides saieth S. Basille est eorum quae dicta sunt assentiens approbatio sine vlla haesitatione cum animi persuasione de eorum veritate quae Dei munere praedicata sunt Faith is a consenting approbation of those thinges which are saide an vndoubted perswasion of minde of the trueth of those thinges which are preached by the guift of God Fides saieth S. Chrysostome dici non potest nisi circa ●a quae non videntur amplius quam circa ea quae videtur certitudinem quis habeat It can not be called faith vnles one be more certaine of those things which are not seen then of those thinges which are seene The reason whereof the same S. Chrysostome declareth in an other place saying Superet sensum rationem nostram sermo ipsius Dei nam verbis eius fraudari non possumus sensus vero noster deceptu facillimus est Let Gods worde saieth he surmount our sense and reason for wee can not be deceiued by his wordes but our sense is most easely deceiued Sith therefore our faith is grounded on the word of God reuealed to vs by Iesus Christ our Lord speaking by the mouth of the Church as he saieth himselfe Qui vos audit me audit he that heareth you heareth me we ought to receaue the word of faith preached by the true Church not as the worde of mā but as it is truely the worde of God and consequently we must account it a thing most certaine and absolutely infallible CHAP. IIII. That this one infallible faith necessary to saluation must also bee entire THis one infallible faith without which we can not please God must also be entire whole soūd in al points it is not sufficient to beleeue stedfastly some points misbeleeuing or not beleeued obstinately other some or any one The reasō of this is because euery point of doctrin yea euery word that almighty God hath reuealed and by his Church propounded vn●o vs to be belieued must vnder paine of damnation be belieued as we may gather out of S. Marke where when our Sauiour had giuen chardge to his Disciples to preache the gospell to euery creature the which chardge he also gaue in S. Mathew sayinge docete omnes gentes c. docentes eos seruare omnia qu●cumque mandaui vobis teach all nations c. teachinge thē to obserue all thinges whatsoeuer I haue commaunded you he pronounceth indefinitely Qui non crediderit condemnabitur he that shall not beleeue shall be cōdemned not excepting or distinguishing any one pointe of doctrine as needles to be belieued or which a man might at his pleasure misbelieue or doubt of without danger and this not without reason for not to belieue any one pointe whatsoeuer which God by reuealing it doth restifie to bee true and which by his Church he hath commanded vs to belieue must needes be damnable as being a notable iniurie to Gods veritie a great disobediēce to his will But all pointes of faith are thus testified by God commaunded to be belieued otherwise they be not pointes of faith but of opinion or some other kinde of knowledge Therefore all pointes of faith must vnder paine of damnation be belieued beleiued I say either expresly and actually as learned men may doe or implicite and virtually as vnlearned Catholikes commonly doe who beleeuing expresly those articles which euery one is bound particulerly to know doe not in the rest obstinately doubt or hold some errour against the Church but haue a minde prepared to submitte themselues in all thinges to the authority of the Church which they are sure is taught directed by the spirit of God and doe in general hold for vndoubted truth whatsoeuer the Catholike or vniuersall Church doth beleeue Secondly that man which beleeuing some points should deny others cannot while he doth thus haue one the same faith which other Christians haue Sith hee doth not as Erenaeus requireth to th● vnity of faith belieue the points of faith in a like but in a different manner from other Christians That i● to say Neither doth hee beleeue all the pointes which they doe neither doth hee beleeue those points wherin he doth agree with them for the same reason that they doe that is to say He doth not beleeue those point● which hee seemeth to beleeue precisely for that God hath reuealed them and by his Church propounded them for if he● did sith this reason is cōmon to al point of faith he should assoone beleeue all 〈◊〉 any one He hath not therfore I say one and the same faith which other Christians haue who notwithstāding haue the true faith And sith as S. Leo said nisi 〈◊〉 est fides non est If it bee not one faith it i● no faith at all It followeth that he tha● beleeueth not entirely al points of faith hath no faith at all and consequentlie sith one that hath no faith can no way be saued It is euident that he that beleeuing some articles doth obstinately deny others cannot be saued Thirdly to beleeue some pointes o● faith and to deny others or any one is heresie as to deny all is absolute Infidelitie But it is sure euen out of Scripture that Heretiques shall not bee saued no more then Infidels For as it is saide Qui non credit iam iudicatus est he that beleeueth not is already iudged so the Apostle Saint Paule reckoneth heresies among the works of the flesh of all which hee doth pronounce Qui talia agunt regnum Dei non consequentur Those which doe such like thinges shall not attaine the kingdome of God Fourthly I may confirme the same with the testimony of the auncient Fathers First of S. Athanasius in his creede which is commonly knowne and approued of all Quicunque saith he vult salvus esse ante omnia opus est vt teneat Catholicam fidem quam nisi quisque integram inuiolatamque Seruauerit absque dubio in aeternum peribit VVhosoeuer will bee saued before all things it is needfull that he hold the Catholike faith which vnlesse euery one doe keepe entire and vnuiolate without doubt hee shall perish euerlastingly Qui sunt in Sacris Litteris eruditi saith S. Basill ne ●nam quidem sillabam diuinorum dogmatū prodi sinunt sed pro istius defensione si opus est null●● non mortis genus libenter amplectuntur Those that are well instructed in holy Writte doe not suffer one sillable of diuine doctrine to be betrayed or yeelded vp but for the defence thereof if neede bee doe willingly embrace any kinde of death Nihil periculosius saith Nazianzen his haereticis esse potest qui cum integrè per omnia decurrant vno tamen verbo quasi venem gutt● veram illam ac simplicem fidem
to do according to the doctrine of the Prelates of the Catholike Church yea although it should happen that their liues were not laudable but bad For although our Sauiour in this place doth only in expresse wordes make mention of the chaire of Moses in which the Priests of the old Law did sit yet he is to be vnderstood to speake also of the chaire of S. Peter his owne Vicegerent in which the Priestes of the new Law doe succeed And this à f●rtiori because we haue greater reason to thinke that our Sauiour intēded in his doctrine to giue rules to the Priests and people of his new Law which was presently to begin and to continue till the worldes end then only to giue documents to those of the old Law considering he knew that it should so shortly cease Wherefore the ancient fathers do vnderstand that place to bee meant of the Priestes of the new Law and namely S. Augustine who saith thus In illum ordinem Episcoporum qui ducitur ab ipso petro ad Anastasium qui nunc in eadem Cathedra sedet etiamsi quisquam traditor per illatempora subreps●sset nihil praeiudicaret Ecclesie innocentibus Christianis quibus prouidens Dominus ait de praepositis malis quae dicunt facite quae faciunt facere nolite Into that order of Bishoppes which is deriued from S. Peter himself vnto Anastasius who now sitteth vpō the same chair although some traytor had crept in in those times he should nothing hurt the Church and the innocent Christians for whome our Lord prouiding saith of euill Prelates what they say do what they do do not The threates we may gather First out of S. Luke when our Sauiour faith Qui vos spernit me spernit Hee that despiseth you despiseth me Signifying that look what sinne it were not to heare but to despise our Sauiour Christ himselfe that wee should account it the same to despise not to giue eare and credit to the Catholike Church Insinuating therby that the like punishment is to be expected for the saide contempte Secondly in S. Mathew the same our Sauiour expressely saith Si Ecclesiam non audierit sit tibi sicut Ethnicus publicanus If he wil not heare the Church let him be to thee like an Ethnicke and a Publican Finally in S. Marke after hee had giuen charge cōmission to preach the Gospell to euery creature hee pronounceth this threate to those that will not beleeue saying Qui non crediderit condemnabitur hee that will not beleeue shall be condemned Thus you see our Sauiour Christ hath promised to his Church the continuall presence of himselfe and of his holy Spirit to teach that cōpany all truth Wherof followeth that it is infallibly taught al truth Moreouer hee hath giuen charge and commission to that Church to teach vs and hath warranted and commanded vs in all pointes to heare and do according to the saying of this Church which proueth that it appertaineth to this Church to instruct vs in all pointes of faith and that we ought to learne of it in all matters of religion what is the fallible truth consequently that the doctrine of this Church is the rule of faith Worthily therefore doth S. Paule call this Church columnam firmamentum veritatis The pillar and ground of truth Worthily also saith S Austen Scripturarum à nobis tenetur veritas cum id facimus quod vniuersae placet Ecclesiae quam earundem scripturarum commendat authoritas vt quoniam scriptura sancta fallere non potest quisquis falli ●etuit huius obscuritate questionis ecclesiam de illa consulat quam sine vlla ambiguitate scriptura sancta demonstrat The truth of the Scriptures is holden of vs when wee doe that which pleaseth the vniuersall or whole Church the which is commended by the authority of the Scriptures themselues that because the holy Scripture cannot deceiue whosoeuer feareth to bee deceiued with the obscurity of this question let him require the iudgement of the church which without any ambiguity the holy Scripture doth demonstrate by which wordes hee sheweth plainely that the sentence of the Church is of infallible and vndoubted truth that the way not to bee deceiued in an obscure question is to aske and follow the iudgement of the Church Wherefore worthily also do we all say Credo Ecclesiam Catholicā I beleeue the Catholike Church worthily also may I conclude that neither Scripture alone nor naturall witte and learning nor priuate spirit nor any other thing but onely the teaching of the true Church of Christ is that ordinarie meanes which Almighty God hath prouided whereby all men may learne that one infallible entire faith which I proued to be necessary to saluation CHAP. XI That the Church whose doctrine must bee to vs the rule of faith must alwaies continue without interruption from Christ his time till the worldes end COnsidering what had bene proued in the former Chapter about the infallible authorite of the doctrine of the true Church I hope no Christian will denie but that so longe as this Church doth continew we haue of it a sure pillar and a firme foundation whereupon we may safely build our beleefe For either a mā must denie that euer our Sauior did make any such promise gaue such charge and commission left any such warrant sett forth such a commaundement or thundred out any such threates as before is rehearsed which were to denie the scriptures which scriptures are generally receiued by all Christians no otherwise thē as they are the vndoubted worde of God or els he must wrest the interpretation thereof both from that which the wordes of themselues naturally yeeld also from the common sense and vnderstanding either of al or the most learned and almost of the vnlearned also of the whole Christian world or els he shal be forced to confesse that which not I but S. Paule hath saied ecclesia est columna firmamentum veritatis the Church is the pillar and ground of trueth Onely it may perchaunce seeme to some of those that doe at this day oppose themselues against the authoritie of the Church that this was true for S. Paules time and perhaps for some 3.4.5 or 6. hundred yeares after but not to be presumed vpon in latter times and namely when Luther began his reformation as they tearme it or now a dayes Against these men I set downe this assertion The true Church of Christ which the forenamed testimonies of Scripture do commend was and is to continew without interruption till the worldes end This I proue First out of the very wordes of those promises which I cited out of S. Mathew S. Iohn For how can Christ our Sauiour or his holy Spirit be with his Church in such sort as there is promised to witt till the worldes end and for euer and especially as is saied in S. Matthew omnibus diebus
thinke that you are vnwise who pretending to trauaile toward the happy kingdome of heauen and to goe to that glorious citty the heauenly Ierusalem will leaue the beaten street in which al those haue walked that euer heretofore wēt thither who by miracles sometimes as it were by letters sent from thence haue giuen testimony to vs that remaine behinde that they are safelie arriued there You I say are vnwise that will leaue this way and will aduenture the liues not onely of your bodies but of your soules in a path found out of late by your selues neuer ●racked before in which whosoeuer haue yet gone God knoweth what is become of them sith we neuer had letter of miracle or any other euident token or euer heard any word frō thē to assure vs that they safely passed that way me thinkes I may account you most vnwise men that will aduenture such a pretious Iewell as your soule is to bee transported by such an vncertaine and dangerous waie I must needes thinke that sith there is but one right waie and that the way of the Catholique Church is a sure and approued safe waie you are very vnaduised who with the aduenture of the irreparable losse of your dearest and peerlesse treasure your soule will leaue this safe and secure way to seeke out a new vncertaine and perillous waie I must needes thinke sith the Catholique Rom●ne Church is as I haue proued the light of the world the rule of faith the pillar and sure ground of truth that you leauing it leaue the light and therefore walke in darkenesse forsaking it forsake the direct path of true faith and therefore are misse-led in the myst of incredulitie into the wildernes of misbeleefe finally that you hauing thus lost the sure ground of truth doe fall into the mierie ditc●●e of many absurdities and must needes be drowned in the pitt of innumerable errours and erring thus from the waie the veritie and the life which i● Christ Iesus residing according to his promise in the Catholique Church must needes vnles you will which I hartely wishe returne to the vnitie of the same Church incurre your owne perdition death and damnatiō of body and soule from which sweet Iesus deliuer you and vs all to the honour and perpetuall praise of his holy name AMEN Laus Deo Heb 11. Ser. 38. de Tempore (a) Ro. 2. Galat. 3. Ephes. 2. (b) Cōc Milea Can. 4. Concil Trid. sess 6. c. 7.8 Iren. l. 5. cap. 29. Chrysost. Hom. 32. in Ioan. Sermone de Fide Char. Cirill Alex. in Ioan. lib. 4. 1. Cor. 14 Ephes. 4. Ser. 4. in Natiu Dom. In cap. 4. ad Eph. Lib. 1. c. 3 Rom. 10. Ser. de Fidei confessione Hom. 12. in epist ad Hebraeos Hom. 83. in Matth. (a) Luc. 10. (b) 1. Thes. 2. Mar. c. 16. Math. 28. Ioan. 3. In the Greeke text aires es Gal. 5. Athanas. in Simb Teste theodoreto lib. 4. eccles histor c. 1● Gregor Nazianz. tract de Fide 1. Tim. 2. 1. Tim. 2. 1. Tim. 4. 2. Pet. 3. Aug. lib. de Sp. lib. c. 33. Prosper lit 2. de vocat gent. cap. 23.25.28 D. Ambros Ser. 8. in Psal. 118. Iren. l. 4. cap. 71. Lib. de vtil credendi 1. Cor. 2. Lib. de vtilitate credendi cap. 4. Ibidem Aug. l. 5. de bapt donat cap. 23. Basil. lib. de Sp. cap. 29. Epiph. haer 61. Rom. 3. 1. Cor. 2. Ibidem Ibidem Gal. 1. 2. Cor. 11 2. Iohn 4. 2. Cor. 2. 1. Iohn 4. Collat. 61. c. 11. Rom. 10. Mal. 5. Matth. 7 Iacobi 4. Lib. 3. de bapt donatist cap. 19. Ep. 222. Tract 18. in Ioanes Matth. 4. Lib. 12. Confess cap. 25. Mat. c. 28 Ioan. 14. Ioan. 14. Ioan. 16. Math. 28 Mar. 16. Luc. 10. Math. 23. Epist. 165. Luc. 10. Math. 18. Mar. 16. 1. Tim. 3. Lib. 1. Crescon cap. 33. 1. Tim. 3. Matth. cap. 28. Math. 16 Psal. 47. Dan. 2. Luc. 1. In Psalm 101. Conc. 2. Ibidem Is● ● 61 Luc. 4. Isa. 61. Math. 5. ● Tim. 2. Math. 10. Luc. 9. Rom. 10. Math. 18. Oratione de moderat in disput habenda Matth. 7. Isa. 60. Math. 20. Math. 3. Math. 23. Math. 13. Math. 25. ● Cor. 5. Hom. 30. in math Lib. de Vnitate Ecclesiae Lib. 4. in cap. 6. Isa. Lib. 3. ep parm cap. 4. Tract 2. in epist. Ioan. Lib. ep parm cap. 7. Lib. de prescript Taller bigger Tall. Tall. Lib. 3. de bapt donat cap. 19. Lib. 3. Faust. cap. 13. Isa. c. 35. 1. Cor. 2. Rom. 10. In Ps. 53. Lib. Ep. Fund cap. 5. 1. Ioh. 4. Eph. 4 Isa. c. 61. Lib. Ep. Fund cap 4. The first marke Vna proued out of Scripture Cant c. 6 Cypr. l. de vnitate Ecclesiae Aug. l. 6. in Ioan. Ioh. c. 1● Rom 12. 1. Cor. 10 Ioh. 17. Lib. de Prescript Ibidem The second marke Sancta 1. Cor. 3. 1. Cor. 5. Hebr. 10. Mat. 18. 1. Pet. 2. Luc. 10. Iac. 4. The third marke Catholica Isa. c. 59. Psal. 21. Psal. 71. Ibidem Aug in Psal. 71. Luc. 24. Aug. 1. de Vtilitate Ecclesiae Act. c. 1. Collos. 1. Mat. 13. Mat. 24. Act. 20. Ibidem 2. Tim. 3. Aug. in Psal. 57. 2. Tim. 3. Aug. l. de Vnitate Ecclesiae cap. 3. Mat. 24. Aug. l. 4. de Simb cap. 10. Aug. l. de Vnitate Ecclesiae cap. 3. Ephes. 2. Act. 1. Act. 2. Aug. l. de Pastor cap. 8. Lib. de prescript Lib. de prescript Lib. 2. Iouin S. Hier. in cap. 4 ad Ephes. Math. 16. Luc. 22. Chrysost. lib. 2. de Sacerdotio S. Leo Ser. 2. de anniuers assumpt suae ad Pontif. Ioan. 21. (a) Luke 10. Mat. 23. Mat. 16. Ioh. 16. Cypr. lib. 4. Epist. 9 Lib. 1. Epist. 3. In postilla super Euang dom primae aduentus Conc. 4. super cap. 21. Luc. Mat. 7. Cant. 1. ● Cor. 13 ● Tim. 1. Eccles. ● Prou. ●● See Staphil in absolu● respons Cochlae in actis Lutheri A● 152● Bolse● i● vita Caluin c. 13 Luther lib. de capt Bab. Philip in Apol. art 5 27. 1. Ioh. 5. Mat. 11. Philip. cap. 2. See the History of Saint Bede lib. 1. cap. 23. Rom. 1. In ration redditis acadaem ●a 7. Hollinshead in the description of Britany fol. 11. Gall. 1. Lib. de Prescript Ioh. 14. Ioh. 16. Epist. ad Argent an Dom. 1525. Lib. parm Lib. 3. c. 3 Et Epist. Fundamenti c. 4. Athanas. orat 2. Arrian Ephes. 4. Ibidem Orat. de moderatione in disput habendo Ioh. 2● Aug. in Psa. cont partem Donati Irenaeus lib. 3. c. 3. Lib. de Prescript See Prateolus verbo Lutherani In Ps. 53. Rom. 10. Heb. c. 5. ● Paral. cap. 26. Ioh. 10. Ibidem 1. Tim. 4. Ioh. 10. Ioh. 10. Ioh. ●5 Mat. 23. Gal. 1. 2. contra Iulian. Epist. 2. In Praef. Li. de abrog Missae priua●●● ad frat●es Aug. Ordin in caenoo Wittenberg
without interruption euen from the Apostle Saint Peter vnto Clement the eight the Bishop of Rome which liueth at this daie The which succession from the Apostles which we haue and the Protestants want the ancient fathers did much esteeme and vsed it as an argument partly co confound the Heretiques partly to confirme themselues in the vnitie of the Catholique Church So doth Irenaeus who saith Traditionem ab Apostolis annunciatam hominibus fidem per successiones episcoporum peruenientem vsque ad nos indicantes confundimus omnes illos qui quoquo modo vel per sui placentiam malam vel per vanam gloriam vel per caecitatem malam sententiam praeterquàm oportet colligunt Shewing the tradition from the Apostles and the faith cōming vnto vs by succession of Bishops we confounde all them who any way through euill cōplacence of themselues or vaine glorie or through peruerse opinion doe collect and cōclude otherwise then they ought So also doth Saint Austen who saith Tenet me in Ecclesia Catholica ●b ipsa Sede Petri Apostoli cui pascendas oues suas Dominus commendauit vsque ad praesen●●● Episcopum successio Sacerdotum The succession of Priests from the very seate of Peter the Apostle to whome our Lord commended his sheepe to be fedde vntill this present Bishop doth hold me in the Catholique Church See the same Saint Austen Epist. 150. Optatus l. 2. cont Parmen Saint Epiphan Haer. 275. Saint Cyprian l. 1. epist. 6. S. Athanas. Orat. 2. contra Arrianos who pronounceth them to be Heretiques qui ●●unde quàm à tota successione Cathedrae Ecclesiasticae originē fidei suae deducunt who deriue the beginning of their faith from any other ground then from the whole succession of Ecclesiasticall chaire And this saith he is eximium admirabile argumentum ad haereticam sectam explorandam an excellent and admirable argument wherby we may espie out and discerne an hereticall sect The which argument these Fathers would neuer haue vrged and extolled so much if they had not thought that this succession was an vndoubted good marke of the Church and that with this lawfull vninterrupted Apostolicall succession of Doctors and Pastors the true Apostolique faith and doctrine was alwaies conioyned The which to be conioyned we may easily proue out of Saint Paule himselfe who saith Dedit Pastores Doctores ad consummationem sanctorum in opus ministerij in aedificationem Corporis Christi donec occurramus omnes in vnitatem fidei agnitionis Filij Dei in virum perfectum in mensuram aetatis plenitudinis Christi Signifying that Christ our Sauiour hath appointed these outward functions of Pastors and Doctors in the Church to continue vntill the worlds end for the edification and perfection thereof and especially for this purpose vt non simus paruuli fluctuantes circumferamur omni vento doctrinae that we may not be little ones wauering and carried about with euery winde of doctrine Wherefore that this ordinance and appointment of Pastours and Doctors in the Church made by our Sauiour Christ may not bee frustrate of the effect intended by him wee must needes say that he hath decreed so to assist and direct these Pastours in teaching the doctrine of faith that the people their flocke may alwaies by their meanes bee preserued from wauering in the ancient faith and from being carried about with euery wind of new doctrine The which cannot be vnlesse with succession of Pastors be alwaies conioyned succession in true doctrine at least in such sort that all the Pastors cannot at any time vniuersally erre or faile to teach the ancient Apostolique faith For if they should thus vniuersally erre then all the people who doe and ought like sheepe follow the voice of their Pastour should also generally erre so the whole Church which according to Saint Gregorie Nazianzene consisteth of sheepe and Pastors should contrary to diuers promises of our Sauiour vniuersally erre So that we may be sure that the Ordinary Pastors shall neuer be so forsaken of the promised Spirit of truth that all shall generally erre and teach errors in faith or that there shall not be at all times some sufficient company of lawfull succeeding Pastors adhering to the succession of S. Peter who was by our Sauiour appointed chiefe Pastor of whom we may learne the truth and by whom we may alwaies be confirmed and continued in the true ancient faith and preserued from being carried about with the winde of vpstart errour The which being so it followeth that the true Apostolique doctrine is inseperably conioyned with the succession of lawfull Pastors especically of the Apostolique sea of Rome Wherefore we may against all Heretiques of our time as the auncient Fathers did against Heretikes of their time vrge this argument of succession especially of the Apostolicall succession of the Bishoppes of Rome We may say to them as Saint Augustine saith to the Donatistes Numerare Sacerdotes ab ipsa sede Petri in ill● ordine Patrum quis cui successit videte Number the Priestes from the seate it selfe of Peter and in that Order or rowe of Fathers see which succeeded which Wee may say with Irenaeus Hac ordinatione et successione Episcoporum traditio Apostolorum ad nos peruenit est plenissima ostensio vnam eandem fidem esse quae ab Apostolis vsque nunc confirmata est By this orderly succession of Bishoppes the tradition of the Apostles hath come vnto vs and it is a most full demonstration that the faith which from the Apostles is confirmed euen vntill now is one and the same We may tell them with Tertullian Nos communica●us cum ecclesijs Apostolicis quod nulla aduersa doctrina facit hoc est testimonium veritatis We doe communicate with the Apostolique Churches which no contrarie doctrine doth and this is a testimony of the truth CHAP. XVII The Conclusion of the whole discourse NOVV to make an end considering all this which I haue said and proued to wit that there is but one infallible entire faith the which is necessary to saluation to all sorts of men the which faith euery one must learne by some knowen infallible and vniuersall rule accomodate to the capacity of euery one the which rule cannot be any other but the doctrine and teaching of the true Church the which Church is alwaies to continue visible vntill the worlds end and is to bee knowen by these foure markes Vna Sancta Catholica Apostolica One Holy Catholique Apostolique the which markes agree only to the Roman Church that is to say to that company which doth communicate and agree in profession of faith with the Church of Rome whereupon followeth that this Church or company is the onely true Church of which euery one must learne that faith which is necessary to saluatiō Cōsidering I say al this I would demand of the Protestāts how