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monarch_n of_o the_o church_n 132._o he_o have_v not_o a_o negative_a voice_n in_o counsel_n 253._o make_v by_o some_o as_o infallible_a without_o as_o with_o a_o general_a council_n 172_o 173._o his_o confirmation_n of_o general_a counsel_n of_o what_o avail_n 180._o of_o his_o power_n in_o france_n and_o spain_n 132_o 133_o 136._o how_o much_o great_a he_o be_v make_v by_o some_o than_o the_o emperor_n 132_o 133_o etc._n etc._n 137._o his_o power_n slight_v by_o some_o great_a prince_n 132_o 133_o 136._o whether_o he_o may_v be_v a_o heretic_n and_o be_v one_o how_o to_o be_v deal_v with_o 176._o all_o his_o power_n prerogative_n etc._n etc._n indirect_o deny_v by_o stapleton_n 30_o pope_n the_o fall_n of_o some_o of_o they_o and_o the_o consequent_n thereof_o 95_o of_o their_o power_n and_o principality_n 109_o 110_o etc._n etc._n 253._o their_o subjection_n to_o the_o emperor_n 115_o 116._o and_o how_o lose_v by_o the_o emperor_n
question_n but_o to_o make_v they_o ready_a against_o they_o understand_v it_o and_o as_o schoolmaster_n make_v their_o scholar_n con_v their_o grammar-rule_n by_o heart_n that_o they_o may_v be_v ready_a for_o their_o use_n when_o they_o better_o understand_v they_o num_fw-la â—0_n â—0_n l._n 1._o cont_n epis._n 〈◊〉_d c._n â—_o 〈…〉_z non_fw-it credâ—râ—m_fw-la e_o 〈…〉_z â—isi_fw-la i_o catholic_v ecclesiâ—_n commâ—veret_fw-la authoritâ—â—_n authoritâ—â—_n occam_n diaâ—_n p._n 1_o l._n â—_o c._n 4._o intelligitur_fw-la solum_fw-la dâ—_n ecclesiâ—_n 〈◊〉_d â—uit_fw-la â—â—â—pore_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la bâ—el_n lect_v 22._o in_o c._n missâ—_n a_o tempore_fw-la christi_fw-la &_o apostolorum_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o so_o do_v s._n aug._n take_v eccle_n 〈…〉_z a_o fâ—â—d_v fâ—â—d_v â—_o 16._o nâ—_n 6._o 6._o sâ—ve_v inâ—ideles_fw-la â—ive_a in_o fide_fw-la novitii_fw-la can._n loc._n l._n 2._o c._n 8._o neganti_fw-la aut_fw-la omninò_fw-la nensciâ—â—ti_fw-la scripturam_fw-la stapl._n relect._n cont._n 4._o q._n 1._o a._n 3._o 3._o quid_fw-la si_fw-la fateamur_fw-la fideles_fw-la etiam_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la authoritate_fw-la commâ—ueri_fw-la ut_fw-la scripture_n as_o recipiant_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la inde_fw-la sequitur_fw-la â—oâ—_n hoc_fw-la modo_fw-la penitus_fw-la persuaderi_fw-la aut_fw-la nullâ—_n aliâ—_n fortioréâ—ue_fw-la ratione_fw-la induci_fw-la quis_fw-la antem_fw-la christianus_n est_fw-la quem_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la commendans_fw-la scripturam_fw-la coristi_fw-la non_fw-la commâ—â—â—at_fw-la whitaker_n dâ—sp_n de_fw-fr sacrâ_fw-la scripturâ_fw-la contrâ—_n 1._o â—_o 3._o â—_o 8._o ubi_fw-la citat_fw-la locum_fw-la â—anc_fw-la s._n aug._n aug._n et_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d quibus_fw-la â—â—â—emperaâ—â—_n dicentibus_fw-la credit_n evangâ—â—io_fw-la therefore_o he_o speak_v of_o himself_o when_o he_o do_v not_o believe_v believe_v â—â—â—tum_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la teneâ—â—â—_n credere_fw-la omnibus_fw-la 〈…〉_z in_o sacro_fw-la canonâ—_n quia_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la credit_n â—x_fw-la ea_fw-la ratione_fw-la solum_fw-la ergo_fw-la per_fw-la prius_fw-la &_o magis_fw-la tâ—â—â—â—uâ—_n credere_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la quam_fw-la evangâ—â—â—â—_n act_n 〈…〉_z n._n in_o 3_o dist._n 24._o conclus_fw-la 6._o â—â—â—_o 6._o and_o to_o make_v a_o show_n of_o proof_n for_o this_o he_o falsify_v s._n august_n most_o notorious_o and_o read_v that_o know_a place_n not_o niâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d commoâ—â—râ—â—_n at_o all_o read_v it_o â—â—â—_o râ—mâ—elleret_fw-la pateâ—_n quiae_fw-la dicit_fw-la augustinus_n evangelio_n non_fw-fr credereâ—_n nisi_fw-la ad_fw-la â—oâ—_n i_o compellâ—ret_a ecclesiâ—_n authoritas_fw-la ibid._n and_o so_o also_o gerson_n read_v it_o in_o declarat_fw-la veritatum_fw-la quâ—_n crâ—dendâ—_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n part_n 1._o p._n 414._o §._o 3._o but_o in_o a_o most_o ancient_a manuscript_n in_o corp._n chr._n college_n library_n in_o cambridge_n the_o word_n be_v nisi_fw-la i_o commouâ—râ—t_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n câ—â—â—n_fw-fr l._n â—_o de_fw-fr lâ—câ—â—_n c._n 8._o fol._n 34._o â—_o §._o 16._o num._n 6._o 6._o psal._n 119_o 100l_n sâ—â—ctarum_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la lumen_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n de_fw-fr verâ_fw-la relig._n c._n â—_o quid_fw-la 〈◊〉_d scripturum_fw-la vanis_fw-la vmbris_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n august_n â—_o dâ—_n mâ—r._n eccl._n cathol_n â—35_n â—35_n 1_o cor._n 2._o 14._o 14._o orig._n 4._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d c._n 1._o go_v this_o way_n yet_o be_v he_o a_o great_a deal_n near_o the_o prime_a tradition_n than_o we_o be_v for_o be_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v inspire_v from_o god_n he_o say_v dâ—â—oc_fw-la â—ssigâ—abimus_fw-la â—x_fw-la ipsis_fw-la diviâ—is_fw-la scripture_n quâ—_n nos_fw-la compâ—â—â—â—tâ—r_fw-la moâ—â—riâ—t_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n princip_n 〈…〉_z â—â—â—â—m_fw-la &_o hîc_fw-la credimus_fw-la propter_fw-la dâ—â—m_fw-la non_fw-la apostolâ—s_n etc._n etc._n hâ—nr_n à _fw-fr â—and_n sum._n a._n 9_o q._n 3._o now_o if_o where_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o speak_v ultimate_a resolutio_fw-la fidei_fw-la be_v in_o deum_n not_o in_o ipsos_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la much_o more_o shall_v it_o be_v in_o deum_n than_o in_o prâ—sentem_fw-la ecclesiâ—â—_n and_o into_o the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n than_o into_o the_o word_n of_o their_o successor_n make_v up_o into_o a_o tradition_n tradition_n calv._n instit._n 1._o c._n 5._o §._o 2._o christiana_n ecclesia_fw-la prophetarum_fw-la scriptis_fw-la &_o apostolorum_fw-la praedicatione_n initio_fw-la fundata_fw-la â—uit_fw-la â—â—icunque_fw-la reperietur_fw-la eâ—_n doctrina_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n and_o where_o hooker_n use_v this_o very_a argument_n as_o he_o do_v l._n 3._o §._o 8._o his_o word_n be_v not_o if_o there_o be_v sufficient_a light_n but_o if_o that_o light_n be_v evident_a evident_a 1_o cor._n 2._o 14._o 14._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d heb._n 11._o 1._o 1._o §._o 16._o nâ—_n 13._o 13._o heb._n 11._o 1._o 1._o 1_o cor._n 13._o 12._o and_o a._n c._n confesy_n p._n 52._o that_o this_o very_a thing_n in_o question_n may_v be_v know_v infallible_a when_o it_o be_v know_v but_o obscure_o et_fw-la scotus_n in_o 3._o dist._n 23._o q._n 1_o fol._n 41._o b._n hoc_fw-la modo_fw-la facile_fw-la est_fw-la videre_fw-la quomocò_fw-la fides_n est_fw-la cum_fw-la aenigmate_fw-la &_o obscuritate_fw-la quis_fw-la habitus_n fidei_fw-la non_fw-la credit_n articulum_fw-la esse_fw-la verum_fw-la ex_fw-la evidentiâ—_n objecti_fw-la sed_fw-la propter_fw-la boc_fw-la quod_fw-la assentit_fw-la veratitati_fw-la infundentis_fw-la habitum_fw-la &_o in_o hoc_fw-la revelantis_fw-la credibilia_fw-la credibilia_fw-la bellar._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles._n c._n 14._o credere_fw-la ullas_fw-la esse_fw-la divinas_fw-la scripturas_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la omninò_fw-la necessarium_fw-la ad_fw-la salutem_fw-la i_o will_v not_o break_v my_o discourse_n to_o â—iâ—â—e_v this_o speech_n of_o bellarmine_n it_o be_v bad_a enough_o in_o the_o best_a sense_n that_o favour_n itself_o can_v give_v it_o for_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o omninò_fw-la that_o it_o be_v not_o altogether_o or_o simple_o necessary_a to_o believe_v there_o be_v divine_a scripture_n and_o a_o write_a word_n of_o god_n that_o be_v false_a that_o be_v grant_v which_o be_v among_o all_o christian_n that_o there_o be_v a_o scripture_n and_o god_n will_v never_o have_v give_v a_o supernatural_a unnecessary_a thing_n and_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o omninò_fw-la that_o it_o be_v not_o in_o any_o wise_a necessary_a than_o it_o be_v sensible_o false_a for_o the_o great_a upholder_n of_o tradition_n that_o ever_o be_v make_v the_o scripture_n very_o ncessary_a in_o all_o the_o age_n of_o the_o church_n so_o it_o be_v necessary_a because_o it_o be_v give_v and_o give_v because_o god_n think_v it_o necessary_a beside_o upon_o roman_a ground_n this_o i_o think_v will_v follow_v that_o which_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o present_a church_n deliver_v as_o necessary_a to_o believe_v be_v omninò_fw-la necessary_a to_o salvation_n but_o that_o there_o be_v divine_a scripture_n the_o tradition_n of_o the_o present_a church_n deliver_v as_o necessary_a to_o believe_v therefore_o to_o believe_v there_o be_v divine_a scripture_n be_v omninò_fw-la be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n what_o it_o can_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n so_o bellarmine_n be_v herein_o â—oul_a and_o unable_a to_o stand_v upon_o his_o own_o ground_n and_o he_o be_v the_o more_o partly_o because_o he_o avouch_v this_o proposition_n for_o truth_n after_o the_o new_a testament_n write_v and_o partly_o because_o he_o may_v have_v see_v the_o state_n of_o this_o proposition_n careful_o examine_v by_o gandavo_n and_o distinguish_v by_o time_n sum._n p._n 1._o a._n 8._o q._n 4._o sine_fw-la sine_fw-la lib._n 1._o §._o 14._o 14._o protest_v apol._n tract_n 1._o §._o 10._o n._n 3._o 3._o l._n 2._o §._o 4._o 4._o l._n 2._o §._o 7._o &_o l._n 3._o §._o 8._o 8._o s._n joh._n 5._o 31._o he_o speak_v of_o himself_o as_o man_n s._n joh._n 8._o 13._o 13._o l._n 2._o §._o 7._o 7._o l._n 3._o §._o 8._o a._n c._n p._n 52._o a._n c._n p._n 52._o a._n c._n p._n 52._o 52._o s._n luke_n 16._o 8._o 8._o 1_o s._n pet._n 5._o 3._o 3._o s._n basil_n go_v as_o far_o for_o tradition_n as_o any_o for_o he_o say_v parem_fw-la vim_o habent_fw-la ad_fw-la pietatem_fw-la l._n de_fw-fr sp._n sanct._n c._n 27._o but_o first_o he_o speak_v of_o apostolical_a tradition_n not_o of_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o present_a church_n second_o the_o learned_a take_v exception_n to_o this_o book_n of_o s._n basil_n as_o corrupt_v bp._n aâ—dr_n opuse_n cont_n peron_n p._n 9_o three_o s._n basil_n himself_o ser._n de_fw-fr fido_n prosess_v that_o he_o use_v sometime_o agrapha_n sed_fw-la ea_fw-la solùm_fw-la quae_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la aliena_fw-la à _fw-la piâ_fw-la secundum_fw-la scripturam_fw-la sententiá_fw-la so_o he_o make_v the_o scripture_n their_o touchstone_n or_o trial_n and_o therefore_o must_v of_o necessity_n make_v scripture_n superior_a in_o as_o much_o as_o that_o which_o be_v able_a to_o try_v another_o be_v of_o great_a force_n and_o superior_a dignity_n in_o that_o use_n than_o the_o thing_n try_v by_o it_o and_o stapleton_n himself_o confess_v traditionem_fw-la recentiorem_fw-la &_o posteriorem_fw-la sicut_fw-la &_o particularem_fw-la nullo_n modo_fw-la cum_fw-la scripturâ_fw-la vel_fw-la cum_fw-la traditionibus_fw-la priùs_fw-la à _fw-la se_fw-la explicatis_fw-la comparandâ—m_fw-la esse_fw-la stapleton_n relect._n
providè_fw-la in_o quibâ—â—dâ—m_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la observatur_fw-la ut_fw-la popule_n sanguis_fw-la non_fw-la detiâ—_n thom._n p._n 3._o q._n 80._o a._n 12._o c._n so_o it_o be_v but_o in_o some_o church_n in_o his_o time_n negare_fw-la non_fw-la possumuâ—_n etiam_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la lâ—tinâ_fw-la fuisse_fw-la usum_fw-la utriusque_fw-la speciei_fw-la &_o usque_fw-la ad_fw-la tempora_fw-la s._n tâ—omâ—_n durasse_n vasq._n in_o â—_o disput._n 216._o c._n 3._o â—_o 38._o 38._o refecti_fw-la cibo_fw-la potâ—â—_n câ—lesti_fw-la deus_fw-la â—oster_fw-la teâ—supplices_fw-la exâ—ramuâ—_n etc._n etc._n in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-fr sa_o 〈…〉_z jan._n 15._o orat._n post_fw-la communionem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d jan._n â—1_n â—1_n ad_fw-la quod_fw-la sacâ—â—ficium_fw-la svo_fw-la loco_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la homines_fw-la dei_fw-la nomindâ—tur_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la a_o sacerdote_v quâ—_n saâ—râ—â—â—caâ—_n invocantur_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 22._o civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 10._o 10._o bellarm._n l._n 1_o de_fw-fr sanctor_n bedtitud_n c._n 20._o §_o ad_fw-la primum_fw-la ergo_fw-la locum_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n sunt_fw-la redemptores_fw-la nostri_fw-la aliquo_fw-la modo_fw-la &_o secun_fw-la 〈…〉_z aliquid_fw-la bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr indulgent_a c._n 4._o et_fw-la sanctos_fw-la appellat_fw-la numina_fw-la l._n 2._o the_o imagine_v sanctorum_fw-la c._n 20._o §_o 3._o now_o if_o this_o word_n numen_fw-la signify_v any_o thing_n else_o beside_o god_n himself_o or_o the_o power_n of_o god_n or_o the_o oraole_n of_o god_n let_v bellarmine_n show_v it_o or_o a._n c_o for_o him_z him_z ut_fw-la ejuâ—_n meritis_fw-la &_o precibusâ—_n â—_z geheâ—ne_n â—â—cendiis_fw-la liberemur_fw-la in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la decemb._n 6._o 6._o ut_fw-la aâ—borum_fw-la meritis_fw-la aeternitatis_fw-la glorâ—am_fw-la consequamâ—â—_n ibid._n julii_n 6._o 6._o ejus_fw-la intercedentibus_fw-la meritis_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la nos_fw-la absolve_v peccatis_fw-la ibid._n julli_fw-la 14._o 14._o in_o optatus_n his_o time_n the_o christian_n be_v much_o trouble_v upon_o but_o a_o false_a report_n that_o a_o image_n be_v to_o be_v place_v upon_o the_o altar_n what_o will_v they_o have_v do_v if_o adoration_n have_v be_v command_v etc._n etc._n et_fw-la rectè_fw-la dictum_fw-la erat_fw-la si_fw-la tasem_fw-la famam_fw-la similis_fw-la veritas_fw-la sequeretur_fw-la optat._n l._n 3._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la finem_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la cum_fw-la ethnicis_fw-la idola_fw-la colere_fw-la becan_n l._n the_o side_n haeret._n servunda_fw-la c._n 8._o 8._o coâ—â—iâ—git_fw-la aliqâ—aâ—do_n heretic_n â—irâ—a_n plura_fw-la errare_fw-la quam_fw-la gentiles_n ut_fw-la manichâ—os_fw-la inquit_fw-la thomas_n quòd_fw-la nos_fw-la possumus_fw-la verè_fw-la dicere_fw-la â—e_n nostri_fw-la temporis_fw-la sectariis_fw-la qui_fw-la culpabilâ—â—èr_fw-la in_o pluribus_fw-la videntur_fw-la errare_fw-la valentia_n in_o 2._o 2_o â—_o disp._n 1_o â—_o 1â—_n punct_a 3._o 3._o quod_fw-la quidem_fw-la à _fw-la christianis_fw-la mâ—lioribus_fw-la non_fw-la â—it_n s_o aug._n l._n 8._o de_fw-la civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 27._o 27._o illa_fw-la quasi_fw-la parâ—uâ—alia_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la gentilium_fw-la simillima_fw-la lud._n vives_n ibid._n ibid._n quod_fw-la ergo_fw-la mortuis_fw-la litabatur_fw-la utique_fw-la parentationi_fw-la deputabatur_fw-la quâ—_n species_n proinde_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la est_fw-la quoniam_fw-la &_o idololatriâ—_n parentationis_fw-la â—â—t_n species_n tert._n l._n de_fw-fr speâ—â—acuâ—is_n c._n 12._o 12._o manifestus_fw-la est_fw-la quam_fw-la ut_fw-la multis_fw-la verbis_fw-la explicari_fw-la deâ—eat_fw-la imaginum_fw-la &_o simulachrorum_fw-la cultum_fw-la nimium_fw-la invaluisse_fw-la &_o affectioni_fw-la seâ—_n potiùs_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la populi_fw-la plus_fw-la saâ—â—â—_n indultum_fw-la esse_fw-la it_o à _fw-la ut_fw-la ad_fw-la summam_fw-la adorationem_fw-la quae_fw-la vel_fw-la à _fw-la paganis_fw-la suis_fw-la simulachris_fw-la â—xbibert_n consutvit_fw-la etc._n etc._n cassand_n consult_v art_n 21._o c._n de_fw-fr imagibibuâ—_n where_o he_o name_v divers_a of_o your_o own_o â—s_v namely_o â—urantâ—s_fw-la minatensis_fw-la episcoâ—us_fw-la john_n billet_v gerson_n durand_n holkot_n and_o biel_n reject_v the_o opinion_n of_o thomas_n and_o other_o superstition_n concern_v image_n ibid._n ibid._n non_fw-la quod_fw-la credatur_fw-la â—nesse_fw-la aliqua_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la divinitas_fw-la &_o velutâ—_n olim_fw-la fiebat_fw-la à _fw-la gentibus_fw-la conc._n trid._n sess._n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocat_n invocat_n et_fw-la â—â—dibus_fw-la periculosi_fw-la erroris_fw-la occasiovem_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n ibid._n et_fw-la adâ—ò_fw-la gens_n affecta_fw-la est_fw-la trancis_fw-la corrosis_fw-la &_o deformibus_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la ut_fw-la i_o testae_fw-la quoâ—â—es_fw-la episcopi_fw-la decentiores_fw-la ponere_fw-la jubent_fw-la veteres_fw-la svas_fw-la petant_fw-la plorantes_fw-la etc._n etc._n hieron_n lamas_n sâ—mma_n p._n 3._o c._n 3_o 3_o imagine_v christi_n &_o s._n matris_fw-la â—jâ—â—s_fw-la &_o sanctorum_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la uâ—nerandâ—_n acsi_fw-la in_o ipsis_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la esset_fw-la divinit_fw-la aâ—_n seeundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la sunt_fw-la materia_fw-la arte_fw-la â—ffigiata_fw-la &_o non_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la repraesentant_fw-la christum_fw-la &_o sanctos_fw-la etc._n etc._n sic_fw-la enim_fw-la adorare_fw-la vel_fw-la petere_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ab_fw-la iis_fw-la esset_fw-la idololatria_fw-la lam._n ibid._n quis_fw-la ferat_fw-la populum_fw-la in_o templum_fw-la irruentem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d haram_fw-la sue_v certè_fw-la non_fw-la obsâ—â—t_fw-la populo_fw-la câ—â—â—moniâ—_n sed_fw-la prosunt_fw-la si_fw-la modus_fw-la in_o â—is_fw-la servetâ—r_fw-la &_o caveamusâ—è_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d loco_fw-la habeaatur_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la nè_fw-la precipuam_fw-la pietatem_fw-la in_o illis_fw-la collocemus_fw-la rhen._n annot._n in_o tâ—rtul_n de_fw-fr cor._n â—â—il_n â—â—il_n cave_fw-la nè_fw-la dum_fw-la uâ—s_fw-la alium_fw-la notare_fw-la culpae_fw-la ipse_fw-la voteris_fw-la calum_fw-la 〈…〉_z s._n hier._n â—_o 3._o advers._fw-la pelagianos_fw-la a._n c._n p._n 64._o 64._o nos_fw-la fatemur_fw-la sub_fw-la papatu_fw-la pluâ—imum_fw-la esse_fw-la boni_fw-la imò_fw-la omne_fw-la bonum_fw-la christianum_fw-la atque_fw-la etiam_fw-la illinc_fw-la ad_fw-la nos_fw-la devenisse_fw-la etc._n etc._n luther_n contra_fw-la anabaptist_n citante_fw-la bellarmino_fw-la l._n 4._o de_fw-fr notis_n eccles._n c._n 16._o §._o penult_n etâ—â—â—eld_n â—â—â—eld_z appendicâ—_n par_fw-fr 3._o c._n 2._o et_fw-fr jos._n hall_n bishop_n of_o exeter_n l._n of_o the_o old_a religion_n c._n 1._o many_o hold_v christ_n the_o foundation_n aright_o and_o groan_v under_o the_o burden_n of_o popish_a trash_n etc._n etc._n by_o a_o general_a repentance_n and_o assure_a faith_n in_o their_o saviour_n do_v 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