Linguistic DNA - Concept Modelling Demonstrator

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	beast_n	death_n	great_a	51	3	2.0682	3	false

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A10269	Certaine questions by way of conference betwixt a chauncelor and a kinswoman of his concerning the churching of women		1601 (1601)	STC 20557; ESTC S105979	24,479	73

pleasure to compell any woman to be Churched Chauncelor Well wee will talke of that another time but I would to God yee foolish women would medle with that whiche belongs vnto you and which is within the coÌ„passe of your owne element and not take vppon you the decision and interpretation of the law which ye vnderstaÌ„d not But I pray you tell me one thinge what if the Church now would institute and ordeyne a solemne Purifying of women would you not bee purified Woman No indeed would I not For if I should I should then either with the Iewes denie Christ to be come in the fleshe to giue an end to those shadowes which were figures of the purifying and washing away of our sinnes by his bloud or els with the Papistes I must denie the bloudshead and sufferings of Christ to be th' only and alone sufficient purgation of sinne and therefore it is that we must haue a supply and be fart her holpen by some Church Ceremonie or outward forme of Prayers out of the mouth of some shaveling or Priest Chauncelor Yea but see now I pray you how you are deceyved in the heate of your zeale looke in the booke there is no such matter of Purifying as you speake of but onelie of Thankesgiving Woman Trust me you say true I had almost forgotten that it speaketh not a woord indeed of Purifying But what a iugling blearing of th'eis of the simple is this amongst you May we not heerein say of you your fellowes that yee are the most perillous instrumentes and dangerous impostors that euer Sathan raysed vp for th' advancement and restoring againe of Poperie Chauncelor Why so I pray you my good kinswoman What neede all this heate among friendes You imagine belike you are amoÌ„g your scolding dames and pratling huswiues at home Woman No good Maister Chauncelor I know I thanke God where I am neither am I any whitte distempered at all But that whiche I haue sayed I may truly and lawfullie say againe In which regard well fare the Papistes say I for they shall rise vp in iudgement against you who like good fellowes yet in playne and open tearmes euen bare faced as it were doe seeke to seduce vs and to drawe vs to their false and idolatrous woorship and service in Poperie as namelie by their Masse Mattens Ensong Purification and other such like Whereas you much more dangerously and euen vnder a maske or visard as it were and not vnlike to him that transformeth him selfe into an Angell of light doe goe about to drawe and allure vs to the selfe same falfe worship service but by cleanlier names and honester titles as to their Purification by the title and name of Thankesgiving that is to a Iewish Ceremonie that should be abolished vnder the pretence colour of a seruice of God that should be continued Chauncelor But I pray you Cousen Puritane is there no difference betwixt that in Poperie and ours Woman The difference as I haue bene tolde by learned men is onely in this That theirs is in Latin yours in Englissh otherwise your proper Thankesgiuing which yee call Churching is even the very same woord for woord excepting only the Title wherin as I saye yee iuggle and walke a little more covertly then they with their Purification in Poperie And can the changing of a name or title alter the thing it selfe or make it of another nature If yee haue that gift and power amongst you then yee may as well bring vs in the Masse vnder the name and title of a Communion and so he that refuseth to goe to Masse you may serue him with a CitatioÌ„ for not comming to the Communion as in the like case you doe now by vs you trouble vs and call vs in questioÌ„ for denying of Thankesgiuing because we refuse to be Purified Chauncelor In good faith it is more theÌ„ I haue considered of whether that in Poperie be so neare agreeing to ours as you speak of I beleeue your leaders haue mis-informed you But howsoeuer it be and howsoeuer the Papistes doe holde and account of it it makes no great matter The Church you see now holdeth it for no other then a meere Thankesgiuing which is very deeent and requisite for euerie woman after so great deliuerance Woman What if the Church should holde our Ladies Psalter to be Davids Psalter or t'h Aue Marie for a Prayer Should I therefore take and vse th' one for Davids Psalter and th' other for a Prayer I know the Lord is to be thanked for all his mercies much more for so great a blessing as Childbirth is But as we are to giue God thankes and are therevnto tyed and bound in duetie and allegeance so are we still to doe the same according to the pleasure of him that commaundeth and after the square and rule of his ordinance and not after the preceptes phansies and inventions of men especiallie after the prescription of the man of Synne that is after the manner of the superstitious and idolatrous Papistes Chauncelor But in faith doe you not thinke it a decent thing that after so great an escape and for the birth of a babe into the worlde there should bee Thanksgiving or would you haue no differeuce betwixt reasonable creatures and beastes but that it should bee left indifferent to vnrulie men to accompanie with their wives at their pleasures without regard of their weaknes and vncleannesse Woman You aske me wonderfull strange things First whether it be not a decent thing vpon such a deliuerance and the birth of a Babe into the worlde there should not bee Thankefgiving Secondlie whether it should bee left indifferent for men to playe the beastes with their wives Vnto which I aunswere that the manner of Churching that you thus trouble vs for doeth not redresse anie of these inconveniences There being in it in trueth no maner of Thanksgiving at all but onelie a speach or superscription of a Thankesgiving Socondlie whereas by the law of God to touch a woman in the time of her separation and vncleanesse should bee death what punishment haue you prouided for this so great and haynous enormitie Or howe doeth your Churching of women restraine a carnall and licentious appetite from executing his villenous and beastlie desire Hath he not his full swindge and libertie to doe what he lift for all that So that yee complaine of dangers disorders inconveniences and yet leaue them still as you found them without cure or redresse neuer caring for anie thing so your ydle Ceremonie may be kept Chauncelor A man may easelie smell gentle Cousen where you haue bene at schoole yet I haue talked in my daies with some of your own crew and they hau cheld it for a thing indifferent at the least and haue not bene halfe so hotte in it as you and therefore for the loue I beare you I would wishe you to haue some regard of modestie and womanhood For yea faith when

were a Thankesgiving in deede that is such a part of Gods woorship as he hath comaunded and prescribed in his word if I should wilfully refuse to doe it I were not woorthie to bee coumpted a member of his Church Chauncelor Yet still me thinkes the peace of the Church doeth not poize and prevaile with you as it should doe Woman Heere is a doe with the Peace of the Church and yet when ye haue all done a man may easilie see that though ye talke of it never so much yee vse it for the most part but as a staulking horse amongst you Chauncelor What meane you by that Why you know well enough that the staulkinge horse is not to blame for the death of the foule he doeth but onely shadowe and stand before the fouler while hee killeth him Even so doe you The Peace of the Church as you handle it is a notable vaile to shadowe all your deformities and corruptions If a good Minister doe not yeelde to your lawlesse and vnconscionable subscription or if he over skippe the Crosse in Baptisme Ring in Mariage or any such needles Ceremonie then straight you choke him with the peace of the Church the peace of the Church and so you doe now by vs for our refusall of kneeling and Churching Chauncelor And I pray you in good earnest why may not these and more then these be endured and yeelded vnto for the peace of the Church Woman If the Peace of the Church were so deare vnto you as you pretende and make shew of then would ye never for shame trouble either Ministers or people for such odde things as those that rather hinder then further men in Religion But your maner is wheÌ„ you speake of one thing to meane another You speake of the Peace of the Church but you meane still the peace of your Hierarchie the peace of your vnrulie places and offices the Peace of all your Popish beggerlie Ceremonies so they may stande still vntouched if yee Chauncelyers and your Officials may be at quiet in your roomes and iurisdictions Litle the Lord knowes doe yee care for the peace of the Church and that is seene not only by your troubling of vs now without cause but by your ordinarie sileÌ„cing suspending imprisoning of the best and holiest Preachers for these trifles and your countenancing and allowing of dumme dogges bee there liues and behaviour neuer so shamefull Chauncelor O my good kinswoman we haue heard enough of these matters long agoe These supposed quarrells haue ben answered and answered againe you come to late yea faith with your baskett of Apples now What a Devil should you medle with any of these matters It were much fitter for such as you are to medle with your spindle and your wheele and soberlie to attend your trades vocations then thus in the pride of your heartes to controlle your betters and to deale in Church causes which belong not vnto you Woman I was I thank God busied in my vocatioÌ„ and so I might haue ben still had not you sommoned me theÌ„ce by your officer I know right well Church causes beloÌ„g not to such as I am to deale in neither doe I meddle withall farther then by way of sute or coÌ„plainte to those that haue authoritie to redresse And if the Peace of the Church can not mooue you to leaue cyting troubling vs for trifles whom otherwise you can not charge with anie crime never blame vs if the bare sound and noyse of the Peace of the Church doe not at al mooue vs to yeeld to any of your trifling fruitles Ceremonies against our consciences Chauncelor Well I am sorie you are so wilfull yea faith I perceiue I shall doe no good of you Woman I tell you you may easilie doe good of me and easilie draw me to the bent of your bow if you can produce and alleage vnto me but one only sentence and proofe out of the scriptures of God Chauncelor Scripture there is nothing with you but Scriptures No No. It is even the pride of your heart and pievish singularity of your owne conceyte that doth thus draw you Why doe you thinke no body seeth anie thing but your selfe or doe you thinke there be not as sober as honest womeÌ„ as you Churched Woman Then I perceyue you haue no Scripture in the worlde to perswade mee with your onely scripture is the pride of my heart the Singularitie of my conceite and I can not tell what But you aske me whether as honest women as I be not churehed I aske you againe Whether as honest men as you haue not denied Christ Th'examples of the godlie you know are not to be followed but in godlines whereas it is the common guise of you and your generation to make a solemne gathering and calling as it were of the scabbes imperfections and bleamishes of the best men and then to lay them in our dish straight as a choake-peare to vs as for example if ye find once that Father Latimer and Ridley or anie such like reverend man did weare square cappe and surplus why then there is no remedie but this must bee proclaymed straight as an authenticall warrant to all the succeeding Ministers of the lande that they may boldlie and safelie yeelde to the wearing of the like attire Chauncelor And I promise you It is somthing I tell you as light as you make of it Why is th' example of the godly Martyrs nothing with you and your precise brotherhoode Woman Yes it is something but I doe not thinke it should waigh more with vs then th' example of Abraham David or Peters whose steppes you know we must not follow when they slippe or goe awry But will you your selues I pray you if a man may aske it stande to the iudgement and bee ruled by th' example of the godlie Martyrs Chauncelor I see no reason but wee may and ought Woman Why then downe falles to the grounde straight your lawlesse oath of Inquisition wherewith yee so plague the Church now a dayes Iudge by Mai. Tindall els Mai. LaÌ„bart and others that suffered for the testimonie of Gods trueth Chauncelor Indeed Ma. Tindall and Ma. Lambart were somewhat wilfull Woman Iust how els Thus yee marshall the Martyrs as it please your selues when they may serue your turne be it in neuer so great ignorance and weaknesse of theirs then their names their pietie and their patience are layde before vs in great and capitall letters as paternes to follow But when they crosse you in any thing bee the same never so apparantlie warranted by the Scriptures then alas they were but men yea and many times wilfull men as you doe now most iniuriouslie slaunder Mr Lambart and Mr Tindall Chauncelor But to leaue these circumstances and by matters doe you thinke it is a sinne to be Churched speak your conscience Woman As I haue alreadie saied if it be a sinne to make shew of Thankesgiving and yet to giue no thankes

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