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A49752 An answer to a book published by Richard Smith of Westchester wherein the people of God called Quakers (more particularly in this county of Cheshire) are cleared from the wrong, injustice, and false accusations by him charged upon them / written for the information and satisfaction of the sober-minded by Alexander Lawrence. Lawrence, Alexander, d. 1682. 1677 (1677) Wing L649; ESTC R25714 13,255 21

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part of thy Book is to give an account of our dealing or mannagement of the difference between thee and Daniel Maddock and this we know that Daniel did not in many things carry hinself as became one professing what he doth but many times gave occasion for thee to complain of him and this thou as well knowest we never stood by him or in the least owned him therein but on the contrary reproved him for the same and admonished him to condemn it which according to thine pag. 11. he did and yet new occasion did rise so that the Difference continued and rather increased between you by reason of which we were much troubled and our spirits often grieved and tired with the matter much of the Meeting being many times taken up with that business and our desires were that the man might see his own Weakness and shun it and therefore did we bare with him long not willing to cast him wholely off knowing there was a Principle of God in him for the sake of which many of us had a secret respect for him though we dealt plainly with him and thou thy self at a Meeting when we were determined to proceed against him desired Forbearance for thou hadst Hopes of the Man Witness Thomas Janney Henry Morrey And our long Forbearance which thou blamest us so much for calling it Neglect Injustice and false to our own Orders c. produced this at the last viz. that he upon the sending Thomas Wynne and his Brother Nathan to him they laying something before him came to see his Error and to condemn it and gave forth a Paper against himself the Copy of which is as followeth To all my dear Friends both Brethren and Sisters at their Quarterly-Meeting in Cheshire Chester the 9th of the 10th Moneth 1675. WHereas you out of love and tenderness towards me have ordered my Brother Nathan Maddock and Thomas Winne to come unto me to reason with me concerning those things charged in your Paper which things they clearly opened to my Vnderstanding to be Evil viz. My Burdening the Meeting sometimes with Words which they could not bear in speaking Evil against James Parke and Richard Smith and having Seperate Meetings which Friends do disown Moreover being at this time sensible of God's living Truth I do in the sense of the same condemn not only all those things aforesaid but all other that the Spirit of Truth condemns by you in that blessed and good Order wherein you are gathered yea dear Friends I do condemn the very spirit and ground of it and desire to live with you in that good and heavenly Order for evermore The Mark of Daniel VVV Maddock Witness Nathan Maddock Richard Hemlock Thomas Winne This may also further satisfie that the abovesaid was the true Desire of my own Heart D. M. And though thou sayest Thou knowest not upon what account we received it yet it was in order to give thee or any other that he had offended satisfaction Yet were we not satisfied with this only but also enjoyned his Brother Nathan to go to him and advise him as from us To go to thee and Condemn the thing before the Woman which was by when the words were spoke which accordingly he did and though thou art minded to say it was by reason of thy threatning to have him before the Mayor of the City but that is but thy Supposition but however we enjoyned him to do it and accordingly he did and therein our expectation was answered and thou at that time seemed satisfied and desired the Lord to forgive him and thou didst Witness Nathan Maddock Richard Hemlock Yet after all this to seek in all things to justifie thy self and render us and our proceedings as bad as thou canst is not Christian nor Friend-like but I do believe thou wilt miss of thy End in the minds of sober people unto whom I leave the consideration of these things to judge whether we deserve to be reflected upon after such a manner as thou dost in thy Book and whether thou deservest to be justified in so doing for my end chiefly in writing is to give satisfaction to such as may read both thine this And as to the thing thou chargest us with relating to Thomas Davanport I shall give a short Relation of the truth of the matter and leave it to the consideration of the sober Reader whether thou hast not wronged us in saying We received an Accusation from him against thee when thou wast absent Thomas Davanport had been long from amongst us and at that time Thomas Winne and Nathan Maddock went to D.M. they also went to Thomas Davanport and after some discourse together he saw he had not done well and ingenuously confessessed it and gave forth a Paper to condemn it the Copy is as followeth This is to all Friends in the Living and Eternal Truth THat whereas I have been judged to deny the Meetings and Assemblies of Friends and upon that account have abstained from Meetings and joyned my self to those that have denyed Meetings I do here testifie in the Presence of the Lord and bear my Testimony against that spirit that hath led from Meetings and doth lead from meetings particularly against that spirit that judged Friends for putting off their Hats kneeling in the time of publick Prayer and not only so but also bear my Testimony against that spirit of Imposition that keeps it on and as touching my marrying contrary to the good and heavenly Order that is now established among Friends I do condemn with the former and the Root and Ground that led me to it and whatsoever the blessed Spirit of God in the good Order of the same condemns I do from my Heart condemn and hereby desire that this may remove whatsoever Scruple may be in the hearts of any Friends in reference to these things aforesaid and I heartily desire in the sense of God's blessed Truth to be at Vnity with Friends in the same holy and good Order forever and for evermore With my whole heart I do freely consent to what is above written Thomas Davanport Iron-Bridge-house the 10th of the 10th Moneth 1675. Witnesses Nathan Maddock Thomas Wynne Which when we heard many of us were very glad of it having had long good will for him and really desired his good The next Quarterly-Meeting he came among us and having some discourse with him we advised him to go again to Meetings amongst us he answered Richard Smith had forbid him his house and he did not know whether he would be willing he should come thither or nay or words to this effect we told him We could not receive any thing against Richard Smith he not being there and therefore desired him to forbare and further William Gandy and others said unto him They would engage Richard Smith would be willing he should come into his house this was the occasion of those words from T. D. and our ●nswer and whether this were
AN ANSVVER To a Book published by Richard Smith OF WESTCHESTER Wherein The People of God called QUAKERS more particularly in this County of Cheshire are cleared from the Wrong Injustice and False Accusations by him charged upon them Written for the Information and Satisfaction of the Sober-minded by Alexander Lawrence Thou shalt not bear False Witness against thy Neighbour Exod. 20.16 Against an Elder receive not an Accusation but before two or three Witnesses 1 Tim. 5.10 Printed in the Year 1677. Reader VVHosoever thou art to whom this may come and especially to all such who have seen Richard Smith's Book to which this following is an Answer and because the said Richard Smith giveth thee an Account in his Book how long he hath walked with those People called Quakers c. and now hath thus publickly appeared against them therefore lest thou shouldst say as some have done That the Quakers are divided amongst themselves and therefore are like to come to nought To all such on the behalf of the People aforesaid I Answer That the People called Quakers are not divided but are in Unity Peace and Concord amongst themselves praised be the Lord for it who is the God of all our Mercies who hath raised us up to be a People who were not a People by his own Arm of Power and thereby hath gathered us to himself who were once afar off and by this Power have we been preserved unto this day notwithstanding many who have risen up against us and blessed be the Lord this holy Arm of Power we do yet feel to uphold us and carry us on through whatsoever Sufferings or Reproaches do or may yet attend us for his Name sake And although some who have walked with us may turn from us it is so manifest that they were not truly of us and such there were in the dayes of the Apostles of whom John speaks 1 Joh. 2.19 They went out from us but they were not of us but as he saith even so say we if they had been of us no doubt they would have continued with us but they went out that they might be made manifest c. And Judas walked and was numbred amongst the Apostles yet afterwards turned from them and proved a Traytor And the Wise in Heart may easily see R. S's Design in publishing his Book thereby gratifying such who are evilly affectied towards us The Apostle Paul when he speaks of his many Perils 2 Cor. 11.26 mentions as not one of the least of his Sufferings to wit his Perils amongst false Brethren and so if we meet with such in our day it is no new thing but even the same that our Brethren that are gone before us have met with in their Age and Day T. J. Given forth the 29th day of the 7th Moneth 1677. AN ANSVVER To a BOOK published by Richard Smith OF WESTCHESTER Richard Smith THy Book thou gavest me the 26th of the 4th Moneth I have perused and did wholely conclude to have been silent as to any Answer to it knowing it would pass away like an untimely Birth as many of that nature and tendency have done but upon further consideration finding that though thou pretendest to a great deal of fair and Christian-like dealing with us in Words yet in Deed hast done otherwayes as though we were guilty of gross Errors and in our managing of the Difference between thee and Daniel Maddock that thou hadst received such Wrong from us as is beyond all bounds of Civility page the 7th at large reporting those for my words in the behalf of the Meeting which were not mine taking part of that which thou to me calledst the Preamble to my Answers to thy Queries and therein seekest to fasten a Lye upon me also adding or diminishing to all or most of my Answers to thy Queries which in their time and place I shall prove and therefore cannot well pass it by with Silence as thou in thine to the Reader sayst it was the way of the holy men of old not to favour gross Errors therewith but shall endeavour to manifest to thee and all the sober-minded that may come to read this thy unchristian like dealing with Friends in this County in general and my self in particular In the first place thou tell'st the Reader That thou signifiedst to thy Friends thy intent in publishing thine and that thou gave them ten dayes time that they might have come and seen it I leave it to the sober Reader to judge whether it had not been as fit for thee to have come to some of us to have shewed it as I did this to thee before thou hadst published it and I my self upon the receiving notice thereof from thee wrote to thee again signifying my desire unto thee to the contrary by reason it would open the mouthes of many to speak evil say as they now do We are at Difference among our selves but my Letter by reason of some neglect in the messenger came not to thee within thy prefixed time though it came before thy Papers went from thy hand and therefore thou wouldst not so much as open it to read but sent it from thee sealed again which I also leave to the sober minded to judge whether this were christian or friendly dealing yea or nay being it came before thine went from thy hands though such things as these may and do give some occasion to say We are at Difference among our selves yet blessed be the Lord who by the Arm of his holy Power at first gathered us and brought us nigh unto himself which were once afar off and one unto another in that holy Power by the same he hath and doth preserve the faithful and upright in heart nigh unto himself and in Unity one with another and in love and good will to all people and though some have and do and may go from us yet it is but that it may be manifest that they were not all of us In Pag. 8. thou say'st Thou hast walked with these People since the beginning meaning them called Quakers that is not so for they were a People a good season before thou camest among them so as to joyn with them longer before thou walkedst with them in all humility and lowliness as thou pretendst Bearing part with them in all Tryals and Sufferings that have befallen them upon a Religious account as thou there writest These are very large sayings and very much included in them but less in words and more in deeds would make thee never the worse but better thought of by them that have and do know thy manner of humility and lowliness and what part thou hast born with us in all our Tryals and Sufferings but it may be thou beganst to be weary of that part thou didst or mightst bear with us therefore took this occasion to turn the Meeting forth of thy House and to dissent from us Truth and Time will manifest all things The first