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A93576	The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse.	Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691.	1657 (1657)	Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852	26,539	40

THE Hidden things of Esau brought to light And Reproved in an ANSWER To a Book Intituled A true Relation of a Dispute between Francis Fulwood Minister of West Alvington in the County of Devon and Thomas Salthouse as it is said of the County of Westmerland before the Congregation of them called Quakers in the House of Henry Pollexpher Esquire in the said Parish of West Published in the Truth 's defence and sent abroad in the World to pursue the unknown Authors imperfect Relation By a Follower of the LAMB in the War against the Beast and False Prophet known to the World by the name of Thomas Salthouse Where is the wise where is the Scribe where is the Disputer of this world hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world 1 Cor. 1.20 Thou hast trusted in thy wickedness thou hast said None seeth me Thy wisdom and thy knowledge it hath perverted thee Isai 47.10 Rejoyce not against me O mine enemy when I fall I shall arise when I sit in darkness the Lord will be a light unto me Micah 7.8 London Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-spread-Eagle neer the West-end of Pauls 1657. The Preface FOrasmuch as there came lately to my hands a certain Book or rather a Libel without any name unto it intituled A true Relation c. which it seems the Authors thereof being conscious of their Vnfaithfulness vain Repetitions and manifold Lies therein contained durst not own the same so far as to set their names thereunto that so an Answer might have been directed particularly to them and their folly made manifest but thinking to shelter themselves in the dark from the eye of man thereby to keep their deeds of darkness from the light Yet he that searcheth the heart and tries the reins and brings the hidden things of Esau to light in his due time will bring them to Judgment both for their evil thoughts hard speeches and ungodly deeds and this is he of whom I am a witness who pleads the cause of the Innocent and executes Righteous Judgment on the Earth And although for that the Authors thus hide themselves in the dark by concealing their names and also the matters therein contained being of so little weight it might justly have excused an Answer yet notwithstanding for the simple sake and Truths vindication I am constrained to send this ensuing Answer into the World especially into the County of Devon and Parish of West Alvington where it is likely these unknown Authors Relation have past before that if possible it might come to the view of some of them who have digged so deep to hide themselves and their counsel in the dark lest their shame and nakedness should be made manifest Their Book or Libel being filled with so many vain Repetitions and gross untruths of their own Suggestions the Reader thereof can expect little for his Information or Edification And therefore I shall not endeavor to fill a volumn with repeating overmuch of what is herein contained but onely hint at some passages that may seem to bear the most weight and also manifest and reprove some of their lyes These Authors begin their Book as follows A True Relation c. Answer THe first sentence is a lye as I shall prove by your words in the Preface your own Relation where you confess you have concealed some Infirmities Repetitions and vile Speeches which indeed were many as you say also you say the Quaker was so full of Impertinencies and Repetitions that his words here set down seem to bear no proportion to his tedious and rude Discourses And then how can your Relation be true when by your own confession much is omitted out of your own mouths be you judged And though you finde me rude in Speech yet may you not expect to find me so in knowledge for God hath given me a mouth and wisdom to answer such gain-sayers and opposers as call evil good and good evil Book On Tuesday 24 October 1656. Answ There was no such day in the year for the 24 day of October 1656. was the sixth day of the week called Friday and the same day I was at a meeting in Plimouth but I let this pass among your other infirmities though I might call it a lye It s very unlike your Relation should be true when you could not so much as remember the day Book Published by some that were present at the dispute out of a single and sincere desire that Error may be ashamed and the truth cleared Answ Error is ashamed for are you not ashamed to own your Relation which is so full of Error although you say you were present at the dispute if not why did not you subscribe your names to your Book which is so full of error How can lyers clear the truth its clear ready notwithstanding all your deceit and deceivableness of unrighteousness with which you would darken the truth and cast a stumbling block before the simple by rendring the truth odious but the wo is unto such as you who call truth error and error truth that put darkness for light and light for darkness a deceived heart hath led you aside a lye is in your right hand Book It seemeth strange unto some that Mr. Fulwood would venture to go to the Quakers meeting c. Answ It s manifest both of what generation you are of and also him whom you call Mr. Fulwood Your speech bewrayeth you did not you call him a Minister when were any of Christs Ministers called of Men Master and who were they that were so called are not they transgressors of the command of Christ that call men so Read Matth. 23. Why should not he venture unless he had thought the Quakers were such as the men of his generation who hate and beat in their Meeting places and carry before Magistrates and to prison or was he not rather conscious to himself of his guilt and hypocrisie For the sinners in Sion are afraid fearfulness surpriseth the Hypocrites Isai 33.14 Book He had no thought of making a set dispute of it till provoked by the Quakers railing discourse Answ Here I call you to bear witness against your selves that my discourse was not railing but words of truth and soberness tending to the informing of the mindes of those that were present at the said meeting that whereas they had formerly spent their money for that which was no bread and their labor for that which did not satisfie they might be turned to him who filleth the hungry with good things and freely administers out of the Everlasting Treasury without money and without price And as they had formerly in the time of their ignorance heaped up to themselves Teachers they were exhorted to turn from the darkness to the light that so they might come to know the true Teacher Jesus Christ the Everlasting High Priest the chief Shepherd and Bishop of their Souls There being many that day present as sheep without a Shepherd

and especially if any that witnesseth Davids conditions come in among them that cannot bow to their will-worship but stand a witness against them If they do not smite with the fist of wickedness they will be sure to smite with the tongue in scorn and derision with the name of Quaker or some other invented reproachful term as their forefathers who said they were of Abraham did with Christ and his Ministers that declared against their customs and traditions away with such a fellow say they It is not fit he should live upon the earth he brings in customs not lawful to be observed You that are guilty apply this to your selves and be you witnesses against your selves that you are the children of them that killed the Prophets crucified Christ and persecuted his Ministers though you may profess their words and cover your selves with their cloathing their life you are strangers unto and we are even become your enemies because we tell you the truth The last thing as it is also in the Relation was about the plain language of Scripture as thee or thou to a particular person Fulw. This is but the translation and it was indifferent for the Translators to have translated it you or thou the original will suffer either Ans Let that of God in thy conscience and all who know the original be witnesses against thee for a lier it had never been written nor translated to the natural mans understanding the original is pure even the Word of God which was in the beginning before transgression was and when the world was all of one Language before the dispersing of Babels builders And this word is the original and not the confounded Tongues and Languages of the Nations of this World that are under the vail yet untaken away and they that speak not according to this Word are such as rebel against the light and those who are in darkness call the Hebrew and Greek the Original and have erred from the right way not knowing the Scripture nor the power of God for the natural man by his faln wisdom perceives not the things of the Spirit of God and evil men and seducers are grown worse and worse Therefore it s more reason that those who are not come to a perfect understanding of the thing that was in the beginning should believe the Scripture as it is translated rather then such Dreamers and Diviners as set up their ancient Heathenish customs above the Scripture or the rule declared of in Scripture Did not God himself use the same expressions unto Adam and Adam unto him again Gen. 3. And also to Abraham and Abraham to him again Gen. 18. And likewise to Moses and Moses to him again Exod. 33. And also to Jeremiah a true Prophet and Jeremiah to him again Jere. 11. And to Jonah and Jonah to him again Jonah 4. And Christ Jesus the end of the Prophets to his Father used these expressions John 17. with a cloud of witnesses that might be instanced if it were required that this is the pure Language to one particular person Fulw. Pray let me take occasion to minde you when these expressions of thee and thou have their use in custom namely in two cases First In a way of great familiarness as to our very intimate or those much below us Secondly In way of great reverence and distance as to God and to a Prince but in neither of these senses do you use them Answ Can the Blackmoor change his skin or the Leopard his spots then may those who are accustomed to lye and to do evil be changed Although we do not use these words as a custom yet we use them with reverence and godly fear both unto God and to our Superiors Equals and Inferiors in love and familiarily and not with respect to the persons of Princes or any other that seeks honor from men And those that are our intimate friends in the truth are not offended at the expression but they that are at a distance and strangers to the Covenant of Promise and aliens to the Commonwealth of Israel cry out against us as being diverse in our Laws and Customs from all other people This is a custom not lawful to be observed say they Come let us expel them out of our coasts 1 Cor. 11.16 these contentious men we have no such custom these familiar expressions cannot be borne in our Country And therefore we deny to contend for such indifferent things as these people make conscience of who place Religion in words and even thus the brutish Pastor slights not onely the words of truth and soberness but also the weightier matters of the Law which God hath required Judgment Mercy and Humility and by their lyes and lightness have they caused many to forsake the right way and to follow their devised fables traditions and heathenish customs instead of true and sound Doctrine To the substance of what passed that day in the Dispute thus much in answer in brief for the Reasons above mentioned And where as the Relation saith one went one way and an other another way as if nothing had been spoken but in the Dispute It may be taken notice of that after Francis Fulwood and his company was gone our meeting continued a pretty season and a door of utterance was given me afterwards to speak to the people for their further satisfaction in things that lay dark as a difference between us in the dispute and something for their further information and edification and so our meeting was for the better and not for the worse and according to order the Assembly was dismist at that time Come down and sit in the dust ye Marchants of Babylon Isai 3.3 and all ye cunning Artificers and eloquent Orators that long have traded with the Saints words sit silent and get you into darkness for no more is your persons to be had in admiration because of advantage Gird your selves with Sackcloth ye Ministers of the Letter and hired Parish Teachers that have long used your tongues and said Ezek 34. Thus faith the Lord when the Lord never spoke unto you Yet have sed your selves with the fat and cloathed your selves with the wooll you have drunk of the deep wate●s and have fouled the residue with your seet and the poor of the flock have eaten that which ye have troden down and drunk that which ye have fouled with your feet Be ye ashamed O ye Husbandmen for the Seed is even rotten under the clods weep and howl ye pretended Vine-dressers for the Vineyard is over-grown with thorns bryers and fruitless Trees the day of your visitation is come the trumpet is sounded in Zion and an alarum is heard in the holy Mountain of the Lord. Let all the children of the West tremble be afraid ye sinners in Zion and let fearfulness take hold of all deceitful hypocrites the Lords controversie is against the false Prophet and Idol-shepherd the sword shall be upon his arm