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A49800 Politica sacra & civilis, or, A model of civil and ecclesiastical government wherein, besides the positive doctrine concerning state and church in general, are debated the principal controversies of the times concerning the constitution of the state and Church of England, tending to righteousness, truth, and peace / by George Lawson ... Lawson, George, d. 1678. 1689 (1689) Wing L711; ESTC R6996 214,893 484

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State whereof he was sufficiently ignorant we English Men cannot well brook So Bodin being informed by Dellus who I think was Sir Thomas Dale a prudent and experienced Statesman and far better acquainted with the Government of his own Country than he was that the Kings of England could not make or repeal a Law without but only by the Parliament he wondred and notwithstanding his Information he presumptuously determines the Kings of England to be absolute Monarchs So much he doated upon his imperfect notion of Majesty and absolute Power Mr. Cambden though a learned Antiquary yet not in the common Law speaks doubtfully in this point and doth not well though perhaps prudently express himself His words are Quod Rex habet supremam potestatem merum imperium apud nos Yet afterwards speaking of our Courts he gives to the Parliament the supreme and sacred power in making conferring repealing and interpreting the Laws and in all other things which concern the good of the State. If he meant that the King had it jointly with the two Houses it 's tolerable yet if so 1. His former expression was not good 2. Neither is that latter assertion of his when he saith the Parliament is summon'd ad arbitrium Regis when the King pleaseth section 14 But let 's go to the Parliament where we shall find the King again and when we come there we must consider 1. What it is 2. What power it hath 3. What power it hath not 1. To give a perfect definition of it is above my skill neither is it within the sphear of my profession ancient Parliament-men and especially learned Antiquaries in the common Law know it best Mr. Cambden gives a tolerable description of it It 's a Representative of all England invested with the highest power of Legislation and all other acts that concern the common good This is the substance of the matter though not given in his express terms And here I will not say any thing of their Election Incorporation manner of proceeding after it 's once constituted and begins as a formal Parliament to act Some have conceived it to be one of the most orderly Assemblies in the World which is an argument of the great wisdom of our Ancestors who first molded it and brought it to perfection yet it may be corrupted and ill constituted and then Corruptio optimi est pessima The Election in our times is not well ordered for if it were the very quintessence of the wisdom and virtues of all England might be extracted united and act in that Convention But men are ready through want of understanding to undo themselves by choosing insufficient and unworthy persons The first constitution certainly required a qualification in the persons to be Elected For we trust them much even with our Estates Liberty Lives and Religion for the outward profession It 's not fit to trust these in the hands of any sort of Men but such as shall be wise faithful just and sincerely affecting the publick good The Saxon name Wittena Gemote implies this for it signifies the meeting of wise men and is the abridgement of all the Folk-motes in England and of the wisdom of all England and now of all England Wales Scotland Ireland If they should be wise men wisdom includes all virtues If we consider this great body as distinct from the King it 's said to consist of two Houses which some call the upper and the lower This the Commons did not like did not acknowledge The two Houses or the House of Commons and the House of Peers may be tolerable and I do not know they ever excepted against the expressions Many ungrateful and unworthy persons to their own wrong and prejudice have much depressed the House of Commons and are not ashamed to say such is their ignorance that it is but of late standing Yet it 's the chief part and almost the whole Representative the Peers to them are but inconsiderable Whatsoever is concluded there doth most concern them and the heaviest burden lies on them And though by Commons some may understand only the Plebeian Rank yet there we find in that House men of as good Birth Estates and as eminent vertues as many of the Lords be What the House of Commons is may be more easily known but the nature of the House of Lords is somewhat hidden For in it we find Lords Spiritual as Abbots Bishops and these by Tenure we find in it also Lords Temporal as Dukes Marquesses Earls Viscounts Barons And all these under the name of Lords Peers Barons though Bárones Proceres Nobiles do sometimes signifie other persons For we read of the Barons of the Cinque-ports Barons of the Exchequer the eight Barons of Cheshire and the Barons of Burford in Shropshire We find Peers sometimes taken in another sence and to include the Commons And the truth is if the whole assembly be considered as one Representative they are all Peers and in all acts should be taken so to be These Peers become such three ways as I observed in my answer to Mr. Hobb's For they are aut Foedales aut rescriptitii aut diplomatici Barons by Tenure and ancient prescription since the time of William the Elder or by Writ or by Patent It is not for me to debate much less to determine the Controversies about these Lords as 1. Whether they be essential parts in a distinct House from the Commons of the Parliament or no seeing Acts and Ordinances and the same valid are said to be made without these Lords not any by the Lords without the Commons 2. What these Lords may do or for what end they are called For some say they sit there as Judges of the King together with the Commons For though the King in his Politick capacity cannot do wrong yet in his Personal he may This Horne and Bracton with other of the old Lawyers will tell us in whom we may read of the Torts and wrongs done by the King and of judging him as also the Queen and the Prince 3. Seeing by the Writ of Summons they are called to deliberate and consult Consilium impensuri not ad faciendum consentiendum as the Commons are whether they be there only as the King's Counsellors 4. Suppose them to be the King's Counsellors whether they be such without or with the Commons 5. Whether they have any share in the Legislative power or if they have whether in the same House or in a distinct House and Body with a negative to the Commons or not 6. When this transmitting of Bills to the House of Lords began which some say to be after the Barons Wars For it was not so from the beginning 7. Whether the Lords and not the Commons have power to administer an Oath We read in Sir H. Spelman's Glossary in the word Baro that no Barons were called to the Parliament but such as held of the King in Capite 2. That all