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A41783 The Pædo-baptists apology for the baptized churches shewing the invalidity of the strongest grounds for infant baptism out of the works of the learned assertors of that tenent, and that the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins is a duty incumbent upon all sinners who come orderly to the profession of Christianity : also the promise of the Spirit [b]eing the substance of a sermon on I Cor. 12, I, to which is added a post-script out of the works of Dr. Jer. Taylor in defence of imposition of hands as a never failing ministery / by Tho. Grantham. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.; Taylor, Jeremy, 1613-1667. 1671 (1671) Wing G1541; ESTC R39521 38,200 120

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righteousness of Faith Which whe●her it did any such thing to an● s●ve to ●braham only ●n m●ch doubten so by vertue of i●'s 〈…〉 and remanem●y in their fl●sh it did that work when the 〈◊〉 came to age But in Christian Infants t●e case is otherwise for the new Covenant being estab●ished upon better promises is not only to be●ter purposes but also in a distinct manner to be understood when their spirits are as receptive of a spiri●ual act or impress as the bodies of jewish children were of the sign of circumcision then it is to be consign'd but the business is quickly at an end by saying that God hath done no less for ours then for their children for he will do the mercies of a Father and Creator to them and he did no more to the other but he hath done more to ours for he hath made a Covenant with them and built it upon promises of the greatest concernment And note further we have as much ground of comfort concerning our dying Infants as the faithful had for the first two thousand years during all which time the Covenant of grace reached to Infants though there was no external ceremony to consign it to Infants For the insinuation of the precept of Baptizing all Nation of which children are a part does as little advantage as any of the rest because other parallel expressions of the Scri●ture do determine and expound themselves to a sence that includes not all persons absolutely but of a capable condition as ado●ate ●um omnes gentes persallirae Deo omnes Nationes terra And Nation shall rise against Nation where Infants are excluded and divers more But Erasmus hath well expounded this text where he restrains the baptizing to such as are repentant of their former life As for the Conjecture concerning the Family of Stephan●s at the best it is but a conjecture and besides that it is not prov'd that there were children in the Family yet if that were granted it follows not that they were baptized because by whole Families in Scripture is ment all Persons of reason and age within the Familie for it is said of the Ruler at Capernaum that he beleived a●d all his house Now you may also suppose that in his house were little babes that is like enough and you may suppose that they did beleive too before they could understand but that 's not so likely and then the argument from baptizing Stephen's Family may be allowed just as probable but this is unmanlike to build upon such slight and airy conjectures But tradition by all means must supply the place of Scripture and there is pretended a Tradition apostolical that Infants were baptized but at this we are not much moved for we who rely upon the written word of God as sufficient to establish all true Religion do not value the allegations of Traditions and however the World goes none of the reformed Churches can pretend this argument against this opinion because they who reject T●adition when 't is against them must not pre●end it at al● for them But if we should allow the Topick to be good yet how will it be verified for so far as it can yet appear it relies wholly upon the Testimony of Origen for from him Austin had it Now a Tradition apostolical if it be not consign'd with a fuller testimony then of one person whom all after ages have condemn'd of many errours will obtain so little reputation among those that kn●w that thing have upon greater authority pretended to derive from the Apostles and yet f●sly that it will be a great argument that he is credulous and weak that shall be de●ermined by so weak probation in matters of so great concernment And the truth of the business is as there was no command of Scripture to obliedge children to the susception of it so necessity of ●ae●o-baptism was not determined in the Church till the eight age after Christ but in the year 418. in the Mileritan cou●cel a principal of A●r●ca there was a Cannon made for Paedo Bapt never till then I grant it was practised in Africa before that time and they or some of them thought well of it and though that be no Argument for us to think so yet none of them did ever before pretend it to be necessary none to have been a precept of the Gospel St. Austin was the first that ever preach'd it to be abso●utely necessary and it was in his heat and anger against Pelag●us who had warm'd and chafed him so in that question that it made him innovate in other doctrines possibly of greater concernment then th●s And that although this was practic'd antiently in Africa yet that it was without an opinion of necessity and not often there nor at all in other places we have the testimony of a learned Paedo Baptist Ludovicus Vives who in his annotations upon Augustin De Civit. Dei l. 1. c. 27. afirms Neminem nisi adultum antiquitus sol●re baptizari And because th●s Testimony is of great import I will set down the very words of Augustine and Ludovicus Vives as I find them in the English Edition of the said book of the City of God cap. 26. Where Augustine puts forth this question What is the reason then that we do spend so much time in our exhortations endeavouring to annimate th●se whom we have bapt●zed ei●her unto Virginity or c●●st widdow-●ood or honest and honourable marriage Now upon these words ●hose whom we have baptiz●d Vives comments t●us Least any man should mistake this place understand tha● in times of old no man was brought unto baptism but he was of s●fficient years to know what that mistical water meant and to require his baptism and that sundry times I hear that in some Cityes of Italy they do for the most part observe the antient Custome as yet And it is to be observed that in the Margent are two Notes the 1. is that this is the old manner of baptizing The 2 That all this is left out in the Paris Edition whence we may note how the writings of the Antients are abused and how ingeniously it is confessed Paedo-Baptism is not the old manner of baptizing And here we will insert some other testimonies from the learned Paedo-Baptists touching the Novelty of Infant baptism The first is out of Robertus Fabianus his Chron. 4. part in fol. 107. where he brings in Augustine the Monk speaking thus to the Brittain Bishops Since ye will not assent to my H●sts generally assent ye to me specially in three things the first is that ye keep Easter-day in due form and time as it is ordained The second THAT YE GIVE CHRIS●ENDOM TO CHILDREN c. But THEY WOULD NOT THEREOF This was about the fifth Age after Christ whence its remarkable that Infant bap●ism was then opposed by ●he joynt consent of the Brita●n Bish●ps which were sent to the Assembly to consul● the affairs of Religion at
divine institution is from Heaven the promise which it leads to ●s perpetual and Universal it belong to the whole body There is one body and one Spirit even as ye are called i● 〈◊〉 hope of your calling A POST-SCRIPT Taken out of the Works of Dr. Jer. Taylor in defence of laying on of Hands as a never-failing Ministery WE have seen the Original of laying on of hands from Christ the practice and exercise of it in the Apostles and the first converts in Christianity that which I shall now remark is that this is established and passed into a Christian Doctrine The Waranty for what I say is the words of St. Paul where the holy Rite of confirmation so called from the effect of this Ministration and expressed by the Ritual part of it imposition of hands is reckoned a Foundamental point 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not laying again the foundation of Repentance from Deas works and of faith towards God of the Doctrine of baptism and of laying on of hands of Resurrection from the dead and of Eternal Judgement Here are six foundamental points of St. Pauls Catechism which he said as t●e foundation or beginning of the institution of the Christian Church and amongst these imposition of hands is reckoned as a p●rt of the foundation and therefore they who deny it dig up foundations Now that this imposition of hands is that which the Apostles used in confirming the baptized and invocating the Holy G●ost upon them rem●ins to be pro●●● Absolution of penitents cannot be meant here not only b●cause we never read that the Apostles did use that Ceremony in their absolutions but because the Apost●e speaking of the foundation in which baptism is There need●d no absolution but bap●ismal for they and we believi●g gone baptism for the rem●ssion of sins this is al the absolution that can be at the first and in the foundation The other was secunda post 〈◊〉 frag●●m tabula 〈◊〉 me in after when men had m●de Shipwrack of their good Conscienscience and were as St. Peter saith unmindful of the former cleansing 2. It cannot be meant of Ordination and this is also evident 1. Because the Apostle saves he would thence forth leave to speak of the foundation and go on to perfection that is to higher misteries Now in Ri●uals of which he speaks there is none higher then Ordination 2. The Apostle saying he would speak no more of laying on of hands goes presentl● to discourse of the misteriousness of the Evangelical Priest-hood and the honor of that vocation by which it is evident he spake nothing of Ordination in the Catechism or Narrative of Foundamentals 3. This also appears from t●e context not only because laying on of hands is Immediately set after baptism but also because in the very next words of this discourse he does enumerate and apportion to baptism and imp●sition of hands their proper and proportioned effects To b●ptism il●umira●ion And to Confirma●ion he reckons tasting the Heavenly gift and being made par●akers of the Holy Ghost By the thing sig●ified declaring the sign and by ●he miste●y the 〈◊〉 Upon these words ●t Chrisostom● discoursing sayes That all these are foundamental Articles that it that ●e ought to repent from dead works to be baptized ●●to the Faith of Christ and be made worthy of the gift of the spirit who is given by imposition of hands and we are to be taught the misteries of the Resurrection and Eternal Judgement This Catechism sayes he is perfect so that if any Man have Faith in God and being baptized is also confirmed and so tasts the Heavenly gift and partakes of the Holy Ghost by hope of the resurrection tasts of the good things of the World to come if he falls away from this state digging down and turning up these foundations he shall never be built again he can never be baptized again Confirmed again God will not begin again c. He cannot be made a Christian twice This is the full explication of this excellent place and any other ways it cannot be reasonably exp●icated I shall observe one thing more out of this Testimony of St. Paul He cal●s it the Doctrine of baptism and laying on of hands by which it does not only appear to be a lasting Ministry because no part of the Christian Doctrine could change or be abolished but hence also it appears to be divine Institution For it were not St. Paul had been guilty of that which our blessed Savior reproves in the Scribes and Pharises and should have taught for doctrines the Commandements of Men. Which because it cannot be supposed it must follow that this doctrine of confirmation or imposition of hands is Apostolicall and divine The argument is clear and not easily to be reproved Yea but what is this to us it belong'd to the days of wonder and extraordinary The Holy Ghost breathed upon the Apostle● and Apostolicall men but then he breath'd his last vecendente gratiae recessit disiplina when the grace departed we had no further need of the cerimony In Answer to this I shall 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by divers particulars evince plainly that this Ministry was not temporary and relative only to the Acts of the Apostles but was to descend to the Church for ever This indeed is done already in the proceeding Sect in which it is clearly manifested that Christ himself made the baptism of the spirit necessary to the Church He declar'd the fruits of this baptism and did particularly relate it to the descent of the holy spirit upon the Church at and after that glorious Pe●tie●st He sa●ctified it and commended it b● hi● example just as he sanctified the flood Jordan and all other waters to the misticall washing away of sin viz. by his great example and fulfi●ling this righteousness also This doctrine the Apostles first found in their own persons and experience and practised to all their Converts by a solemn and externall rite And all this p●ssed into an Evangelicall doct●ine the whole mistery being signified by the externall rite in the words of the Apostle as before it was by Christ expressing only the internall So that there needs n● more strength to this argument But that there may be wanting no moments to this t●uth which the holy scripture affords I shall add more weight to it And 1. The perpetuity of this rite appears because this great gift of the Holy Ghost was promised to abide with the Chu●ches for ever And when the Je●s hea●d the Apostles speak with tongues at the first and miraculous d●s●ent of the spirit in Pen●●c●st to take of the stra●ge●ess of the wond●r and the envy of the power St. Pe●er at that very time tells them plainly Re●●nt and be baptiz●d eve●y one of you and 〈◊〉 shall rece●●e the gift of the Holy Ghost 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not the meanest person among you all but shall receive this great thing which ye observe us to have received and not
instance and yet the obligation all the world cannot reasonably say but is the same they are as honest and as reasonable that do neither And since the antient-Church did with an equal opinion of necessity give them Communion and yet men now adays do not why shall men be mor● burthened with a prejudice and nam● of obloquy for not giving the Infant● one Sacrament more then they ar● disliked for not affording them the other If Anabaptist shall be ● name of disgrace why shall not som● other name be invented for them that deny to communicate Infants which shall be equally disgraceful or else both the Opinions signifyed by such names be accounted no disparagement but receive their estimate according to their truth Of which truth since we are now taking account from pretences of Scripture it is considerable the discourse of St. Peter which is pretended for the intitleing Infants to the promise of the holy Ghost and by consequence to Baptism which is supposed to be its instrument of conveyance 't is wholly a fancy and hath nothing in it of certainty or demonstration and not much probability For besides that the thing it self is unreasonable and the holy Ghost works by the heighting and improveing our natural faculties and therefore is a promise that so concerns them as they are reasonable Creatures and may have a tittle to it in proportion to their nature but no possession or reception of it till their faculties come into act besides this I say the words mentioned in S. P●t●rs ●rmon which are the only record of the promise are interpreted upon a w●a● mistake the promise belongs to you and to your Children therefore Infants are actually receptive o● it in that capacity that 's the argument but the reason of it is not yet discovered nor never will For indeed it is without reason To you and your Children i●s you and your posterity to you and your children when they are of the same capacity in which you are effectually receptive o● the promise Beside the promise of the Spirit in this place is refer'd to the gift● of the holy Ghost an● is therefore made t● those who had alread● received it in the quic●ning or illuminating opperation of it an● is the po●tion of beleivers as such and i● consequent to baptism Acts 2 38 39 and is therefore wrongfully made an argument for the baptizing of Infants wh● what ever they may have of the g●aces of the spirit yet have neither need of nor any capacity to use the gifts of the spirit and therefore evident it is that this promise of the Spirit belongs not to Infants at all And for the Allegation of St. Paul that Infants are holy if their Parents be faithful it signifie nothing bu● that they are holy by designation or according to Erasmus they to wit Infants born of such Parents as the o●e being a Christian the other not are holy leg●●●●ately for the conversion of either wife or ●●sband d●th not disso●ve the marriage which was made when both were in u●b●●eif And however it is true that Au●tin was a great stick●er for Paedo-Bap●ism yet he denys that any such thing can ●e deduced from the text in hand his words ●re these lib. 3 De pec mer. remi● It is to be held without doubling whatsoever that sanctification was it was not of power to make Christians and remit sins He might well say so considering that the holiness of the child is derived from the sanctity of the unbeleiver as the word else being rightly refer'd doth evince 1 Co. 7. 14. And as the promiss appertains not for ought appears to Infants in that capacity and consistance yet Baptism is not the means of conveying the holy Ghost for that which Peter sayes be baeptized and ye shall receive the holy Ghost signifies no more then this first be baptized and then by imposition of the Apostles hands which was another mistery and rite 〈◊〉 shall receive the promiss of the Father and this is nothing but an infinuation of the rite of Confirmation a● to this sense expounded by diver● antient Authors and in ordinary Ministry the effect of it is not bestowed upon any unbaptized persons for it is in order next after baptism and upon this ground Peters argument in the case of Cornelius was concluding enough a mojori ad minus thus the holy Ghost was bestowed upon him and his Family which gift by ordinary ministry was consequent to baptism not as the effect is to the cause or to the proper instrument but as a consequent is to an antecedent in a chain of c●uses accidentally and by positive institution depending upon each o●her God by that miracle did give Testimony that the persons of the men were in g●eat dispositions towards Heaven and therefore were to be admitted to these rites which are the ordinary inlets into the kingdome of Heaven But then from hence to argue that where ever there is a capacity of receiving the same grace there also the same sign is to be administred and from ●ence to infer Paedo-Baptism is an argument very fallatious upon several grounds first because Baptism is not the sign of the holy Ghost but by another mistery it was conveyed ordinarily and extraordinarily it was convey'd independently from any mistery and so the argument goes upon a wrong supposition 2. If the supposition were true yet the proposition built upon it is false for they that are capable of the same grace are not alwayes capable of the same sign for women under the law of Moses although they were capable of the righteousness of Faith yet they were not capable of the sign of Circumcision for God does not alwayes convey his graces in the same manner but to some mediately to some immediately and there is no better in●tance in the the World of it then the gift of the holy Ghost which is the thing now instanc'd in in this cont●station And after all this least these arguments should not ascertain their cause they fall on complaining against God and will not be content with God unless they may baptize their children but take exceptions that G●d did more for the children of the Jews But why so because God made a Covenant with their children actually as Infants and concin'd it by circumcision well so he did with our children too in their proportion He made a Convenant of spiritual promises on his part and spiritual and real services on ours and this pert●ins to children when capable but made with them as soon as they are alive and yet not so as with the Jews b●bes for as they rite consign'd them actually so it was a national and temporal blessing and covenant and a separation of them from the portion of the Nations a mark●ng them for a peculiar people and therefore while they were in the Wilderness and sep●rate from the commixture of all people they were not at all ci●cumcised but as that ri●e did seal the
that time Our next testimony is from the Learned Casuist Hugo Grotius who tells us To defer baptism till ripe years was in old time left at liberty now the observation is otherwise Plainly giving the case that Paedo-baptism is not the old way but a new observation But here we will again give place to Doctor Taylor who saith That besides that the tradition cannot be proved to be Apostolical we have very good evidence from antiquity that it was the opinion of the primitive Church that INFAN●S OUGH● NOT TO BE BAPTIZED And this is clear in the six●h Cannon of the C●unsel of Ne●●aesarea The words have this sence A woman 〈…〉 may be baptized when she please for her baptism concerns not the Child The reason of the connection of the parts of that Cannon is in the following words Because every one in that confession is to give a demonstration of his own choice and election meaning plainly that if the baptism of the mother did pass upon the Child it were not fit for a pregnant woman to receive baptism because in that Sacrament there being a confession of faith which confession supposes understanding and free choyce it is not reasonable the child should be consign'd with such a mistery since it cannot do any act of choice or understanding The Cannon speaks reason and it intimates a practice which was absolutely universal in the Church of interrogating the catechumens concerning the Articles of the Creed which is one argument that either they did not admit Infants to baptism or that they did prevaricate egregiously in asking questions of them who themselves knew were not capable of giving answer and to supply their incapacity by the answer of a Godfather is but the same unreasonableness acted with a worse circumstance and there is no sensible account can be given of it for that which some imperfectly murmure concerning stipulations civil performed by tutors in the name of their pupils is an absolute vanity for what if by positive constitutions of the Romanes such solemnities of Law are required in all stipulations and by indulgence are permitted in the case of a notable benefit acruing to Minors Must God be tyed and Christian Religion transact her misteries by proportion and complyance with the Law of the Romanes I know God might if he would have appointed Godfathers to give answer in behalf of Children and to be F●de-jussors for them but we cannot find any authority o● ground that he hath and if he had then it is to be supposed he would have given them comission to have transacted the solemnity with better circumsta●ces and given answers with more truth and if the Godfathers answer in the Name of the Child I do believe it is notorious they speak false and ridiculously for the Infant is not capble of be●ieving and if he were he were a so capable of dissenting and how then do they know his mind And therefore Tertullian gives advice that the bap●ism of Infants 〈◊〉 be deferred till they could 〈◊〉 an account of their faith and the same also is the counsel of Gregory bishop of Naziazum although he allows them to hasten it in case of necessity for though his reason taught him what was fit Namely that none should b● baptized till they were of understanding yet he was overborn with the practi●● and opinion of his Age which began to bear too violently upon him and yet in another place he makes mention of some to whom baptism was not administred 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by reason of infancy To which if we add that the Parents of St. Austin St. Jerome and St. Ambrose although they were Christian yet did not baptize their Children before they were thirty years of age it will be very considerable in the example and of great efficacy for destro●ing the supposed necessity or derivation from the Apostles and for further evidence we may well alledge in this place that of Theodosius the Emperor born in Spain his Parents being both Christians and he from his youth educated in th● Christian Faith who falling sick at Thess●onica was baptized and recovered of his sickness but however Paedo baptism it is against the perpetual analog● of Christs Doctrine to baptize Infants for besides that Christ never gave any precept to bap●ize them nor never himself nor his Apostles that appears did baptize any of them all that either he or his Apostles said concerning baptism requires such pretious dispositions to it of which Infants are not capable and these are faith and repentance and not to instance in those innumerable places that require faith before baptism there needs no more but this one saying he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned Plainly thus fai●h and baptism in conjunction will bring a Man to Heaven but if he have not faith baptism shall do him no good So that if baptism be necessary then so is faith and much more for want of Faith damns absolutely it is not said so of the want of baptism Now if this decretory sence be to be understood of persons of age and if Children by such an answer which indeed is reasonable enough be excused from the necessity of Faith the want of which regularly does damn then it is sottish to say the same incapacity of reason and Faith shall not ●xcuse them from the actual susception of baptism which as less necessary and to which faith and many other acts are necessary predispositions when it is reasonably and humanely ●eceived The conclusion is that bap●sm is also to be defer'd till the time of ●aith and whether Infants have faith or no is a question to be disputed by ●ersons that care not how much they 〈◊〉 nor how little they prove 1. Personal and actual faith they have none for they have no acts of ●nderstanding and besides how can ●ny man understand that they have since he never saw any sign of i● neither was he told so by any o●● that could tell 2. Some s●y they have imputativ● Faith but then so let the S●cramen● be too that is if they have the Parent faith or the Churches then so le● baptism be imputed by derivatio● from them also For since faith 〈◊〉 necessary to the susception of baptis● and they themselves confess it b● striving to find out new kinds of fait● to daub the matter up such as th● faith is such must be the Sacramen● for there is no proportion betwee● an actual Sacramen and an imputative faith this being in immedia●● and necessary order to that an● whatsoever can be said to take o● from the necessi●y of actual Faith a● that and much more may be said t● excuse from the actual ●usception 〈◊〉 baptism 3. The first of these devices wa● that of Luther and his Schol ar● the 2 of Calvin and his And yet there is a third device which the Church of Rome teaches and that is
designs prevented and though perhaps charity for some time hath born with such in hope of the best yet this is no other thing then ought to be as may be seen by the carriage of our Lord toward Judas and his Apostles towards fome others The gifts of Doctrine and praising our God with a Psalme is not yet removed our Teachers as taught of God remaining in every Church where also are some that are skillfull in praisiing the Lord to the edification of the Church As for Revelations there might perhaps sometimes be strange or hidden things made known by some speciall gift of God and why may not God do such things now However it is not unsafe to understand the Revellations here ment by Chap. 14. 30. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by let the first hold his peace c. which cannot so well be understood af a new Oracle as of some further subject or more full explication of the matter treated on by him that spake first according to which interpr●tation we may say the Church hath yet the gift of Revellations And thus far we seem to be got safe not any thing so materiall intervening as to conclude against the continuance of these spirituall gifts in the Church to this day so that the present repairers of the House or City of God may comfort themselves by the consideration of the words of the Prophet Hagg. 2. 5. According to the word which I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt so my SPIRIT REMAINETH amo●g you fear ye not But now the g●ft of Tongues and interpretation of Tongues these where shall we find them Doubtless these gifts are rarely if at all found in these days and in this Nation so as to sute with those who frequently in some Churches at first received those gifts the reasons are many but none such as conclude the Church from under the promise of these gifts as first these gifts differ much from the rest chiefly in this that they may be supply'd another way for the conversion of persons of all Languages or such as can speak other Languages and interpret the same to others doth supply the absence of those gifts 2. The Churche in this and I suppose other Nations have very little need of these gifts and therefore considering that they are not so necessary as the rest the Apostle leaves these with a forbid them not whilst the rest he wills us to c●v●t earnestly But 3 one great cause as I conceive why these g●fts are so much absent and the other no more received i● because we either ask them not at all or else we ask them amiss For many have been so ●ar from a king these gifts of the spirit that in truth they have been arguing that these gifts are not attainable and then t is no wonder they have not been received Again where there hath been some understanding of the interest we have in those gifts there faith in asking hath been and is very low and atended perhaps with great wavering and then little can be expected at the hand of the Almighty Jam. 1. And here let me premonish you of one thing which by my little reading I perceive to have been a great provocation to the Lord to wi●hdraw his gifts in times p●st and I fear it again And that was ●and and I doubt is an over curious performance of that which God gave spirituall gifts for to wit the ministering of the word when the Churches grew populous and great personages came to her communion the unwary pastours let go the simplicity of th● Gospell enclining so much to curiosities that some Counsells decreed tha● a B●shop should not read Heathen Authors and Gra●ian is said to have this passag● viz. Doth not he seem to wa●k in vanit● and da●kness of mind who vexing himself day a●d night in the studies of Logick in the persuite of physicall specula●ion one while elevates himself above the highest Heavens and afterward throws himself below the nethermost part of the Earth True the use that may be made o● reading is one thing and the abuse another however let the least gift o● God be preferred in the ministry o● the word above the greatest of human Arts otherwise we are in danger to incur the guilt of despising Prophysyings Lastly the truth in hand appeareth from the silence of Scriptures touching th● privation of any of the gifts of the spi●it till that which is perfect become 1. ●or 13. 8. 9. Charity never faileth but whether there be prophesies they shall fail whether there be tongues they shall cease whether there be knowledge it shall vanish away for we know in part and we prophe●●e in part But when that which is perfect is come THEN that which is in part sha'l be done away Hence observe a finall determination of the matter in question If any ask when the gifts of prophysie knowledge and tongues c. Shall cease The Apostles answer is even THEN when that which is perfect is come or when we come to see face to face or as we are seen So then seeing the gifts of the spirit do yet remain to the Church and every of them as her need requires are attainable it remains that we humbly consider our wants and desire spirituall gifts you ●ove● earnestly the best gifts From these considerations I conclude that howsoever it is too true that the gifts received by the present Churches are but low and truly so are her graces yet thence we may not we ought not to infer that the gifts promised are ceased or that the Church hath now no interest therein But contrarywise as the promise of gifts as well as graces pertains to us as we are the called of God we ought to ●tir one another up to seek with all dilligence and full assurance for the spirit of promise which being received will abundantly supply our wants help our infirmities convince the contrary minded by its powerfull evidence and demonstration in the ministry of the word and prayer There be two things objected against that which is said the first Ob If the promise of the spirit do thus belong to the Church then this will follow that the doctrines delivered by such gifted men must pass for Oracles of God being the effects ●f the spirit of truth whose propertie it 〈◊〉 to lead into all truth And hence ●ome have conceived the decrees ●f their Counsells to be infallible and ●thers have given out of their private ●tters or books that they were as in●allibly the word of God as the Scrip●ure c. Ans 1. Those gifts do not argue ●he infallibillity of him that hath them ●or then all the gifted brethren at Co●inth had been infallible which yet they ●ere not witness their great want of Wisdom how to use their gifts to edi●ication as also the Apostles refer●ing what they delivered to Tryal telling ●s of gifted person in general and as ●uch not