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A70686	The lawfulnes of the oath of supremacy, and power of the King in ecclesiastical affairs with Queen Elizabeth's admonition, declaring the sence and interpretation of it, confirmed by an act of Parliament, in the 5th year of her reign : together with a vindication of dissenters, proving, that their particular congregations are not inconsistent with the King's supremacy in ecclesiastical affairs : with some account of the nature, constitution, and power of the ecclesiastical courts / by P. Nye ... ; in the epistle to the reader is inserted King James's vindication and explication of the oath of allegiance.; Lawfulnes of the oath of supremacy and power of the King in ecclesiastical affairs	Nye, Philip, 1596?-1672.	1683 (1683)	Wing N1499; ESTC R22153	63,590	80

Church offending there is none if there be not a superior Church or Ecclesiastical Power to appeal unto Leaving wholly what they pretend from Scriptures I shall examine this only their Reasoning from common light it being more suitable to our present subject and in the general say Answ 1 1. In the Mysteries of the Gospel from which by their own concessions Church-communion and Discipline is not to be excluded any more than Preaching or the Sacraments It is very unsafe to make the dim Eye of Reason our Guide Of what advantage such suppositions have been in producing Arminianism Socinianism Platonism c. but especially of the many gross Errors and loathsom Superstitions in Popish Worship we cannot be ignorant Answ 2 2. An Appeal as understood in this dispute and ordinarily by Civilians is a provocation to a superior Tribunal upon the error or wrong done by an Inferior Such an Appeal is not essential to Government unless we can suppose a progressus in infinitum Nor is there a defect in that Government where it cannot be had Some Societies are 1. So low and little in compass as they need not such Appeals A Family is a compleat Society or Corporation though there be not a Superior in the same kind that is an Economical power to appeal unto so may a Church be though not a Superior in a series properly Spiritual or Ecclesiastical 2. Others so High If there be an Error or Wrong done in or by a general Assembly or National Synod supposed in the exercise of power of greatest perfection we have no remedy Argued by the Commissioners of Scotland Anno 41. p. 1 2 9. Also their Declaration against a Cross Petition P. 10. no Superior to appeal unto therefore they term their Church or General Assembly an Independent If it be said as it is by some we may appeal from it to an Oecumenical Councel Answ These great Councels have erred and may and what then is the Remedy or further Provision To what Ecclesiastical Tribunal Superior can we appeal from them Answ 3 To answer more particularly This Reasoning being grounded upon a Similitude betwixt the Ministerial Government of Christ and the Political Government of Kingdoms we say there is not Par ratio and therefore no just consequence The Disparity will appear in divers Particulars Disparity I In their Natures as Civil and Religious Assemblies In this the Difference is so great as Councels Schoolmen and Casuists who all grant Appeals in Civil Affairs yet in Ecclesiastical Matters the ordinary use of them is so constantly and generally denied Videtur axioma communiter acceptum inter probos Religiosos Appellationis vocem audiendam non esse Suar. de virt Tom. 4. pag. 99. as it is an Axiom saith One That in Religious Causes the Voice of Appealing is not to be heard or mentioned And in the same Chapter he gives us the Reasons of it in these words Si in ordinariis correctionibus quae juxta disciplinam religiosam fiunt locum haberet Appellatio à Priore ad Provincialem à Provinciali ad Generalem magna sequeretur perturbatio disciplina religiosa sine dubio corrueret c. In ordinary Censures and such as are according to a Religious Discipline if Appeals should be made from the Prior to the Provincial and from the Provincial to the General it would breed a great Disturbance and be doubtless the Ruine of Religious Discipline For 1. Inferiour Governours would quickly be despised and have little Reverence or Fear 2. By such a dilatory way opportunity will be given by Friends or under-hand working to prevent any Religious Discipline It is therefore expedient for the good of Religion that there be a more simple way of procedure in these spiritual Corrections and that it be without any kind of Appellation Thus far Suarez And others of them also tell us That in a voluntary and brotherly Society Soto de Just lib. 54.6 art it 's more comely and honourable to end Offences and Differences in a private and peaceable way amongst themselves and within the Society than by clamorous Appeals to make Matters more publick It should not be of little weight also with us the Tenderness of Christ if it be confidered and how he would not have Breaches and Offences amongst Brethren to be made more publick or carried further than is necessary And by any thing we find in the Text there is no Necessity we should carry Matters for Censure out of the Church where the Offence is if there were doubtless Christ would have given us direction as well for the managing of Appeals FROM a Church as IN a Church Mat. 18.15 16 17. where each step and circumstance in the progress from a lesser to a greater Authority is described Disparity II From the different condition of Punishments in respect to Relief if unjustly inflicted Church-Censures have little operation on us further than our own Conscience and the Spirit of Christ make them effectual by working them in upon us But if inflicted where no just Cause and Clave errante the Spirit of Christ will not convince us of Sin or let in Satan's Terrors nor any such impressions of Grief or Shame as much to afflict us being innocent How little hath the Pope's Bulls or such Thundrings from Rome been valued or esteemed or Excommunications sent out of our Spiritual Courts when we know it is but for a Four-penny Offence In Civil Affairs it is much otherwise For be the Sentence just or unjust the Execution of it is equally grievous and a punishment be it in respect of Life Liberty or Estate and there is no way either to avoid or mitigate such wrongs but by Appeals The necessity of such Appeals therefore is very great but in respect to Ecclesiastical Censures little or nothing at all Disparity III The ordinary end and use of Appeals is either 1. For Relief of Persons suffering Or 2. That corrupt Judges be censured and unjust Sentences rescinded Persons come to be relieved when by Appeals to Higher Powers there is a better understanding either 1. in the Rule and Law or 2. a more righteous judgment in matters of Fact There are none of these Ends or Uses of an Appeal so accomplishable in an Ecclesiastical Process as in a Civil 1. If the Rule be obscure a right understanding of it may infallibly be had by appealing in Civil Affairs the Supreme Court is here on Earth that made the Rule or Law what 's determined by a Parliament or such Persons as are intrusted by it to this purpose is to us unquestionable But it 's otherwise in Church Affairs our Law-giver is in Heaven and cannot in such a forensical way be appealed unto nor hath he left any Vicar or Visible Judge under him of greater Authority in respect of Infallibility than a particular Church which is the ground and pillar of truth 1 Tim. 3.15 The Papists some of them in great and weighty matters not

over many Churches much more over whole Kingdoms and Provinces of Churches Dr. Bilson speaks much to this purpose Of Supremacy pag. 238. Tho saith he Bishops may be called Governors in respect of the Soul yet only Princes be Governors of Realms Pastors have Flocks and Bishops have Diocesses Realms Dominions and Countries none have but Princes and Magistrates And so the Stile Governor of this Realm belongeth only to the Prince and not to the Priest and importeth a Publick and Princely Regiment The Common-Wealth saith Mr. Baxter containeth all the People in a whole Nation Holy Common-wealth pag. 220. or more as united in one Sovereign But particular Churches have no general Ecclesiastical Officers in whom a Nation must unite as one Church but are as several Corporations in one Kingdom c. We see saith Sir Fr. Bacon in all Laws in the World Considerations about Church-Affairs Offices of Confidence and Skill cannot be exercised by Delegation all such Trust is personal and inherent and may not be transported and delegated as that of Kings which for the most part is hereditary and rather an Office of Interest than Confidence 2. In respect to Causes the Church-Power extends its Censures to no Causes but such as the other may as to Popery Heresy c. But in many Cases the Civil Magistrate extends his Care and Authority where Church-Power moddles not As to Jews and Pagans and such as are not Members of the Church some things may be done by the Magistrate even for these being Members of his Common-Wealth that may conduce to their spiritual Good The Church-Power is limited as 1 Cor. 5.12 So likewise whether the Crime committed be private or publick Matter of Scandal or not or the Person penitent or otherwise these Powers are at liberty to punish or pardon alike and as they shall judg it expedient to be severe or merciful accordingly They may form or reform the Laws and Statutes by which they govern 1 Eliz. cap 1. with 35 Hen 8. making the same Fault Treason in one Age that in the next not so much as Imprisonment But Church-Power is limited the same Crime the same Punishment ever not being in the Power of this Republick to vary in their Process in respect of lesser or greater Censures if the Crime be she same 5. In their Constitution or Tenure Licet omnis Potestas saith Carbo tum Ecclesiastica tum Civilis Carbo de Leg. iib. 2. cap. 8. sit à Deo tamen non eodem modo nam politica licet universe sit jure Divino in particulari est jure Gentium Ecclesiastica omni modo est jure divino à Deo Government in general is of Divine Right but whether in this or that particular Form as in one or a few representing the rest this is humane and hath its Original from Man That Power which is termed an Ordinance of God in Rom. 13. is called an Ordinance of Man in 1 Pet. 2. Church-Power and Government being spiritual hath all particulars for substance both in respect of Persons and Administrations for matter and manner appointed by Jesus Christ and in all Nations to be the same Civil Power even in Ecclesiastical Matters in many things for substance is left to the Prudence of the State in which it is exercised and in the Forms of it various according to the manner of the Nation As for Instance Inspection into Religious Assemblies visiting and observing their Demeanour receiving Complaints by reason of Wrongs Disorders c. These things may be done by the Civil Magistrate in his own Person or by Persons authorized from him these Persons may be many or but one in a Division these Divisions of larger or less Compass And for the manner of Procedure it 's various as Ecclesiastical Courts differ in their manner of Process from Civil or of a Method or Way of handling Causes different from each be established by Law it is equally warrantable There are particular Directions left by Christ according to which the Officers and Persons more especially entrusted with this Power are designed to and invested in their Places and Charge as Election Ordination c. with Fasting and Prayer The other Powers are setled upon and claimed in such ways as the respective Law of Nations design as by Birth Lot Victory Donation or the like as well as Election insomuch as a Woman or Child may have a rightful Claim to this Supreme Trust and the Management of it by themselves or others as shall be appointed CHAP. IV. § 1. Of the Necessity and Vsefulness of a Jurisdiction over Persons and in Causes Ecclesiastical besides what is in Churches § 2. This Power is placed in Kings and such as are the Supreme Governors in a Common-Wealth § 1. FOr the second we shall shew how necessary and useful Civil Power is even in Ecclesiastical or Spiritual Matters notwithstanding the other It is not to be denied that Souls were converted and Churches established and kept up when there was no Assistance but rather Opposition from the Princes of the Earth as in the Apostolick and Primitive Times The Benefit we have now by Christian Mgistrates was then more abundantly supplied the Infancy of Christianity requiring more by the Miracles wrought and the constant Direction and Care of Apostolick and extraordinary Persons who were gifted by Christ for that purpose All the ordinary Helps that now we have by external and more sensual or carnal Means contributing any thing to these great Works is only a pious and Christian Magistracy where a Nation is blessed with it The Benefit hereof is much in a spiritual respect both to the World as likewise to the Church 1. It is tho remote a great Help to bring Men out of their natural Condition unto Life and Salvation We are exhorted to pray for Kings and such as are in Authority 1 Tim. 2. The reason v. 4. For God will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledg of the Truth As the Knowledg of the Truth is a means to bring a Soul into a saving State so is the Magistrate being enlightned himself a great Means to bring us to the knowledg of the Truth Those Men were in a great Distance from God in a Rage against Christ and Religion Psal 2.1 they did combine against the strict Ways of the Gospel these poor Heathens being notwithstanding given to Christ by Election v. 8. David useth a twofold Method for reducing them The first is a representing their wretched and miscrable Condition while in this State of Enmity ver 9. Then 2. deals with their Princes and Rulers to be forthwith instructed and serve the Lord i.e. as Kings and Magistrates in their publick Capacity But must not the People be instructed also Such Magistrates will speedily provide and take care for their People that they may be brought to the knowledg of the Truth and therefore it needs not to be mentioned The Magistratical

otherwise that are spiritual yield Appeals but it 's upon this Supposition that the Cause at last will be brought to a Tribunal that is Infallible Licitumest saith P. de Aragon in re grave cuique causam suam defferre ad sedem Apostolicam Aragon in 2.2 q. 69. a. 3. D. Th. quando vel ex imperitia vel ex Passione inferiorum judicum qui homines sunt ac decipi possunt injuriam patitur The Pope cannot be deceived he is more than a Man 2. Matters of Fact by reason of Appeals come to be sentenced at a great distance from the place where the Crime and Offence lieth which in Worldly Concernments may with more Righteousness be done than in what is Spiritual and of Church Cognizance 1. Transgressions come under a Civil Judgment as materially considered and according to the gross Act but brought to the Church not as Sins simple but as Scandals and Offences which is a Consideration not so obvious but requires good judgment in the Witnesses as well as in the Judges The Obstinacy also or Penitency of the Person offending accordingly as Testimony shall be given of either is a more difficult matter to make out than either the Sin it self or the Scandal Repentance Godly Sorrow or the contrary is the principal thing to be regarded in Church-process Repentance I say in truth and sincerity so far as we can judge in a seeing and not blind charity It is not only the Passion Sorrow or Shame but Godly Sorrow which is more spiritual and deeper in the heart and requireth much and particular knowledge of the Person and his temper and such as cannot be attained at a distance but by frequent and familiar Converse To sit in the Stool of Repentance stand in a White Sheet or do Penance as it 's termed these are as the fruits of the flesh manifest and judged of at the greatest distance it 's not so deep Prov. 20.5 as we need much understanding to draw it out 2. The Censure whether binding or loosing is to be executed always by the particular Church where the Offender is a Member those persons above all others are to have a particular knowledge of his Crime and true Repentance they are to forgive and confirm their love 2 Cor. 2.7 Mat. 18.15 17 or otherwise to withdraw from him If THY Brother offend thee let him be unto THEE an Heathen c. The Execution of the Censure being by each Brother of that Church it is necessary the Examination of the matter be before them Spiritual Duties are not to be performed upon an implicit Faith What knowledge but by remote heresay can a Church in the Orchades have of a mans repentance or obstinacy the ultimate tryal and cognizance whereof is taken by a Synod at Edenhurgh Civil censures are for Satisfaction of the whole Nation and not the Parish or Borough only where the crime was committed but in a Church-censure the particular Assembly being only and no other Congregation or person morally leavened and charged with the offence are principally and in the first place concerned to have satisfaction of the repentance and submission of the person offending For by this means only their Lump or Church becomes again unleavened Disparity 4 4. The other End before mentioned and Vse of Appeals is that our Judges and their Sentence be censured and judged by superior Tribunals To which proceeding Vnaequaque res per quascunque res nascitur per easdem dissolvitur the Judges in Civil Judicatures are liable but there is not the like Subordination in Churches for these Reasons 1. All the Power and Authority placed in their Inferior Courts is no other but the influx of the supream Civil Powers to whom we always make our last Appeal and therefore proper to them to suspend Actings nay utterly to destroy in part or in whole what Jurisdiction is derived from them as appears in the Constitution of all Kingdoms But it is not so here a particular Church The Court we are to Appeal from hath not its Being or Jurisdiction from a Classis or Synod * Ecclesia Parochialis est Ecclesia vera essentialiter integraliter absque ulla correspondentia vel Synodo Voet. de Syn. pag. 13. Parker de Polit Eccles lib. 3. cap. 13. It is an authoritative unchurching of an obstinate Church we plead for Ruth peaceable Plea cap. 15. p. 223 and p. 222. Excommunication is an authoritative unchurching these rather derive their Power from it being Representatives only as our Brethren have formerly written Particular Churches they term Ecclesiae primae and Synods Ecclesiae ortae Again if Synods as they grant exercise over Churches a Power only cumulative not destructive How can they Excommunicate a Church seeing Excommunication renders a Society as Heathens and Publicans which is to unchurch them as Mr. Rutherford rightly affirms 2. Although whole Churches may be punished for male Administration by the Civil Magistrate yet may not an Ecclesiastical Power meerly such do the like for to destroy or save whole Societies for the Evil of a major part or a few persons is the prerogative of the Lord himself which he communicates also in some cases to Civil Magistrates his Deputies but in no case to Churches it being an Authority high and Princely and not at all sutable to such as have only a Ministry and not a Dominion Bishop Davenant tells us That a Censure is not to be drawn on the whole Body of the Church Brotherly Communion c. 9. p. 102. for as the Laws forbid to Excommunicate a Society or Corporation because it may happen that those that are innocent may be intangled in the censure So Right and Religion forbids to exclude whole Churches from the Communion of the Faithful because this cannot be done without an injury and contempt to many that be innocent What ever formerly of this same unchurching power in Synods hath been asserted yet since upon further debate we are told this same Excommunieating of whole Churches is a thing not known in the Presbyterian Government and not the Churches but particular persons in the Churches are censured Assemb disputes pag. 180. But how can we say single persons only are to be censured and not the whole Church Whenas we know the contending parties of what condition soever are both equally liable to the Censure of the Judge Now when matters are brought by Appeal to a superior Court the Court Appealed from is a Party and in this respect upon no higher terms than the pars appellans though a single person But grant it be so and that the object of a Censure from a Synod be only particular members Excommunicatio ejusque denunciatio post appellationem legitimam latam est nulla Nardus p. 53. col 2. Then 1. Churches cannot have such a remedy as in Civil States for Appeals of this Nature are not to be made to any but persons invested with such a power as may