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A43121	A collection of the Christian writings, labours, travels, and sufferings of that faithful and approved minister of Jesus Christ, Roger Haydock to which is added an account of his death and burial.	Haydock, Roger, 1643-1696.; Haydock, John. A brief account of the life, travels, sufferings, and death of Roger Haydock.; Haydock, Roger, 1643-1696. Skirmisher confounded.; Haydock, Roger, 1643-1696. A hypocrite unveiled.	1700 (1700)	Wing H1206; ESTC R25420	111,178	301

noted down and kept since the Dispute in which I have been as short as I well could 〈◊〉 and that the Reader may also perceive the Dis-ingenuity of J. C. who would have his Reader to believe That many Quakers spoke besides R. H. and yet on the other side none spoke but J. B. and that until J. B. gave him leave to manage an Argument he was silent which was utterly false Now I shall examine J. C's Account of this Dispute which is as followeth That J. B. giving him leave to manage an Argument for proof That the Spirit by which the Quakers are acted is not the Spirit of God that 〈◊〉 upon J. B. to prove Reply John Cheyney hath clipped the Charge the Charge was and that which lay upon J. B. to prove That the Light and Spirit the Quakers are led by and direct People to is the Spirit of Antichrist This being the Charge i● appears by John Cheyney's account That John Barber had not proved his Charge but it lay upon him to prove The wrong J. C. hath done us 〈◊〉 this● 〈◊〉 clipping the Charge But to bring them 〈◊〉 near together The Quakers are led by the same 〈◊〉 by which they are acted and to the same Spirit by which they are led they direct People This then says J. C. as stating J. B's Charge The Quakers are not acted by the Spirit of God then not led by the Spirit of God then direct not People to the Spirit of God therefore that the Spirit the Quakers are acted by led by direct People to is the Spirit of Antichrist This then lay upon J. B. to prove viz. his Charge and having stated it upon J. B. at the latter end of the Dispute and since laid it in writing before him that his Charge was false and in a few lines cleared the People called Quakers of it I shall at present acquiesce in J. C's grant that it lay upon J. B. to prove and shall now examine what he hath done in proof thereof J. C. tells his Reader He propounded an Argument That the Quakers deny the faithful Ministers of Jesus Christ and his Holy Ordinances and so we not acted by the Spirit of God Answ If propounding of an Argument were proof that the Argument propounded were true then J. C. hath done something in telling his Reader He propounded an Argument to prove the Quakers are not acted by the Spirit of God But if propounding of an Argument be not proof as sure it is not that the Argument propounded is true then J. C. hath done nothing as to proof in telling his Reader He propounded an Argument to prove the Quakers are not acted by the Spirit of God so his Argument ends in nothing But J. C. tells his Reader He proved the Ministers whom the Quakers do utterly condemn and separate from to be Christ's Faithful Ministers by this Argument They teach sound Doctrine lead Godly Lives are duly Called to the Ministry have their Call and Commission from Christ and he Seals and Confirms their Ministry with the Conversion of Souls And if his Reader will but take his word for it he says He made evident all these Particulars and took off all their Cavils and Exceptions And yet further if his word may but find credit with his Reader In the judgment of all equal Hearers and Standers-by the Quakers were clearly overthrown Answ If J. C's telling his Reader ●e proof that those Ministers the Quakers separate from are Christ's Faithful Ministers or if his saying be made evident All those particulars which was his Argument That they teach sound Doctrine lead godly Lives were duly called to the Ministry had their Call and Commission from Christ and that he seals their Ministry with the Conversion of Souls were full proof or any proof at all against the Quakers then in the judgment of J. C. his Reader might acquiesce That the Quakers were overthrown But if J. C's telling his Reader He proved and saying He made all those Particulars evident not shewing in the least wherein be neither full proof nor any proof at all as sure it is not then in the Eye of any Impartial Reader the Quakers cannot be overthrown This Reader is the substance of what J. C. hath done to prove what lay upon J. B. to prove First He propounded an Argument Secondly he saith He proved it Thirdly he saith He made evident all those Particulars But what wise Man will believe him Lastly he saith The Quakers were overthrown if thou canst credit him but whether thou canst or no this is all the proof thou must have for he quickly tells thee He will forbear to make farther mention of this Dispute Well what J. C. confessed lay upon John Barber to prove lies still upon J. B. to prove for all that J. C. hath either said or done and not only upon J. B. but upon J. C. and who by thinking to ta●e the Thorn out of J. B's Hee● hath struck one full as deep in his own His proprounded Argument signifies nothing but to discover his Folly his saying He proved it is a meet Say-so and no more for he proved no more than J. B. proved and that was just nothing at all With Conversion of Souls of which J. C. boasts so much it was not confirmed that Day That J. C. was Victor and the Quakers Overthrown but on the contrary Truth that Day gaining and the Priests ●ing and that none of the meanest or weakest of their Hearers in the account of some of them in whom God's Witness being reached that Day since separated from them and joyned to the Quakers through believing in the Light wherein Fellowship with God is and with the Brethren also Therefore J. C. is a Ly● who says The Quakers were overthrown And although upon the fore recited Particulars I was not principally engaged with J. C. but rather my Friend Alexander Lawrence the matter being taken from J. B. and me yet I give Testimony 〈◊〉 my Testimony is true having the Evidence of God's Spirit with me That J. C. thereby to assume a Glory of a Conquest to himself hath Lyed wickedly in saying He proved his Argument and that the Quakers were clearly overthrown Therefore let his Iniquity stop his Mouth and shame come over him and let his Lyes perish that Truth may stand over his Head and take place with all Impartial Readers Since J. C. hath at least charged us to be revolted from the true Ministers and I may also say At the most but charged us for he hath proved no such thing I might write pretty largely to manifest That neither he nor any of his Brethren the Priests from whom we have turned away are faithful Ministers of Jesus Christ neither are truly called to the Ministry nor have Commission from Christ But because it is only the Examination of this Account concerning that Dispute at Croton I here intend and finding no Tract of his further to prove that he and his

than conclude he wanted a Reply thereunto And his Charge that Quakers are Belley Gods and Flesh-servers is a false impudent Charge no further either at the Dispute or by his Relation of the Dispute proved than to say They are so Or that the Quakers are what they are not in order to prove them so which is no proof at all yet so would he prove one false Charge by another The Quakers were cleared from it at the Dispute and before and since the Quakers were and are clear of it and J. C. the Lyar who falfly accused belyed and slandered them and our Religion was maintained against all his false Charges for the clearing whereof I did appear by Disputation and the Lord blessed my Undertaking to him alone be the Praise And for the Truth 's sake and right Information of the simple-hearted I do appear again in the Examination of J. C's Relation of the Dispute and shall leave the event to the Lord. Further J. C. saith pag. 19. Solomon Eccles an audacious Quaker a day or two after the Dispute sent me a bold Challenge by Authority from God to Fast with him five Days and five Nights without Meat Drink and Sleep c. But the Quakers have no other Way to evade my Arguments being rationally and unanswerably proved to be such as Paul describes Rom. 16.17 making their Belly their God devised this Shift for a cover of their Nakedness and Hypocrisie If People will venture their Souls with such Cheats and Impostures let them Reply That Solomon Eccles did Challenge J. C. who had charged the Quakers with making their Belly their God and asserted that their Belly was their God to Fast with him five Days and five Nights not to Eat not to Drink nor to Sleep till the five Days and Nights were faithfully performed before the Lord for a Tryal of J. C's Faith viz. Whether his Faith was in God and Christ yea or nay and whether J. C's God whose work he had done in charging the Quakers to be Belly-gods c. or the Quakers God was the true God and whether of them was a Member of the true Church I having seen a Copy of a Paper of Solomon Eccles to this effect do believe it is true and I am perswaded that S. E. did not give forth this Challenge as a vain Scribe but as one having Authority and that the God of Heaven if J. C. had accepted of the Challenge and come upon Trial with him would have strengthned him to have performed it faithfully before the Lord to the manifesting of J. C. to be a Lyar his Charge against the Quakers to be utterly false and the Quakers God to be the true God that as by Disputation God appeared with us to clear us from this and the rest of J. C's wicked Charges against us and manifest J. C. to be a Lyar c. so by the Trial of J. C's Belly God would have appeared on our side for to have made J. C. further manifest to be a Lyar c. And if J. C. refused to trust his God with his Belly this is not a true Character that his Faith is in the True God and Christ and if his Faith be not in the true God and Christ he is no Member of the true Church But J. C. in refusing to Fast with S. E. for the Trial of his Faith and of his God hath come behind the Prophets of Baal who embraced the Offer that Elijah the Prophet of the Lord made and came upon the Trial of their God 1 Kings 18.21 c. But if J. C. did believe that S. E. had no Authority from God concerning that matter Why then did not he prove S. E. and manifest him upon Trial That sure was too hard a Way for J. C. to go because his Crutch viz. his Notes would have done him little service in that Exercise And may I not conclude that J. C's Faith failed him in that way of Trial But yet J. C. would lay all at the Quakers Door as that they devised this for a Cover of their Nakedness and Hypocrisie having as he saith no other way to evade his Arguments being rationally and unanswerably proved to be such as Paul describes making their Belly their God To which I say J. C's Disingenuity doth much appear in this matter Truth needs no devised Shifts for a Cover it can appear with open Face The Quakers as I said before were cleared from this wicked Charge and J. C's Nakedness was laid open and his Hypocrisie made manifest at the Dispute as hereafter I shall make appear But is not this a devised Shift of J. C's to Cover his Nakedness and Hypocrisie withal who was proved a Lyar and Deceiver at the Dispute Yet would he perswade his Reader That because a Quaker challenged to Fast with him for the Trial of his Faith and of his God that it might appear by Fasting c. as well as that it had been made manifest by Words viz. by Disputation that the Quakers did not make their Belly their God but were clear of J. C's wicked Charge and he made manifest c. therefore against the Quakers it was rationally and unanswerably proved at the Dispute saith J. C. that they make their Belly their God If J. C. hath devised this for a Cover for himself it is too narrow for there are some Hundreds not called Quakers who were at the Dispute who notwithstanding this Covering will see his Nakedness But no doubt J. C. would have all to believe that the Quakers were unanswerably proved to be such as make their Belly their God which is both a gross Lye and wicked Slander yet out of his Study J. C. hath thus sounded and published it to the World But what will that Man stick to say who links his Heart with Satan For in pag. 158. of his Sermons of Hypocrisie J. C. saith It is much easier to Confute a Quaker than to Confute Satan and My own Heart Hath not J. C. linked his own Heart with Satan Sure such who have Eyes to see with may see him if wilfully they do not shut their Eyes rather than they will see him and such as do see him and yet will follow such a Hypocrite I shall forbear to call him Cheat and Impostor how deserving soever he may be thereof though he hath called us Cheats and Impostors very undeservedly and venture their Souls with him and believe his Lyes Slanders and Impious Charges against the People called Quakers rather than the Truth I shall not say as J. C. doth Let them But earnestly desire that they may Return Repent and Live and also walk in the Light which if they do Peace will be upon them But if they do not I having put Pen to Paper rightly to inform them tho' their Sin be upon their own Heads I shall be clear I have hitherto examined what J. C. hath related concerning the Proof of his Charges against the Quakers and signified how

pour out a double Portion of his Spirit upon us lest behind and raise up many more that so his Work may become Prosperous in the Earth Amen Oh how Comfortable is the Remembrance of that perfect Love Nearness and Unity that we enjoyed together without the least Jarr which made our Service and Labour together very easie and pleasant and our Conversation together very sweet And know that he was Open-hearted Free and Faithful to his Friend a great Lover as well as Promoter of Love Peace and Concord amongst Brethren able in Advice sound in Judgment tender and kind to the Weak every way ready to serve and help the Needful in every respect of a truly Humble and Lowly Spirit giving Preference to others especially Elders although a Man that had a kind of Greatness or Presence in a Manly Carriage or Deportment from which some might mistake him that knew him not in the Root of Life and Truth Fervent in Spirit Zealous for the Promotion of the Interest of Truth in a Godly-Discipline and Gospel-Order amongst all Friends and his Care and Labour that all might be found in the Practice of the pure Religion professed That so Zion might become Glorious the Praise of the whole Earth and the Church and Family of God be kept Pure and Chaste to shine forth in her Splendor the Eclipsing whereof in any respect I know was ever his Exercise and under the Exercise thereof have simpathized with him in Sorrow and Mourning whom I knew esteemed of and preferred the Peace Prosperity Wellfare and Increase of the Glory of Zion God's People far above his own His Natural Parts were great and augmented by a good and liberal Education All which being Sanctified as well as Inlarged by the Power of Truth made him both Honourable and Serviceable in the Church of Christ in many respects And tho' he be Dead yet Lives and Speaks amongst us and is Enjoyed in that Life which never Ends. And as he has turned many to Righteousness he now shines as a bright Star in the Firmament of God's Power and his Name will be of Lasting Remembrance amongst the Living T. Camm H. M's Testimony concerning our dear and faithful Friend Roger Haydock Deceased AMongst many of the Lord's Worthies whom in this our Day Age and Generation he hath endued with Wisdom Courage Valour and Prevalency in Innocency and Righteousness to make War without Carnal Weapons against the Spiritual Enemies of God and of his Son Christ Jesus the Lamb without Blemish that taketh away the Sin of the World this our dear Friend Roger Haydock was not one of the least who before I knew him was at the Challenges of Priests that opposed the Truth to which he bore Testimony several times engaged in Disputations as Defendant for the Truth professed and lived in by him and the People called Quakers against the false Charges of the Priests One Passage whereof being related to me by one of the party adverse to him when I was a Stranger to the Truth and to Roger Haydock tended to my Convincement and in hopes it may likewise be of good effect to others I shall here insert it viz. My Neighbour told me he had been at a Dispute between Mr. Cheyney as he called him and a Quaker whom I have since known to be Roger Haydock and and that Cheyney among other things charged the Quakers for not using Baptism of Infants Then I asked him how the Quaker answered to that He said Indeed the Quaker behaved himself very moderately and civilly in his way and answered That there was no Proof in the Scriptures of Truth for it and that it was only Men's Invention and by Man's Tradition that they held it and considering how they used it who professed the Scriptures to be their Rule which did not warrant them therein it appeared in them to be ridiculous both before God and Man Then I asked him What Proof Cheyney brought for it He answered to this effect That he did not understand that Cheyney brought any Proof for it This Relation induced me to seek for what Proof could be found for it because I had been taught that my Infant-Baptism was the Foundation of my Christianity thereupon diligently searching the Scriptures and after that reasoning with my Teachers I plainly saw there was no Proof from the Scriptures nor Authority from Christ to be found for it and that therefore my Foundation was unsound and the Building upon it dangerous and ruinous Therefore in a deep Sense of my want of a Foundation that could not be moved I left the Builders upon Infant-Baptism and earnestly sought unto the Lord who in his own time Revealed in me that Foundation which standeth sure even the Rock of Ages the Foundation of all the Generations of the Righteous that great Mystery hid from many Professors which is Christ in Believers the Hope of their Glory who Baptizeth them with Spiritual Water and Fire a Manifestation of whose Spirit is given to every Man to profit withal which inwardly Reproveth the Disobedient but Comforteth the Faithful who in it have true Unity and Fellowship one with another And in this I was in the Lord's time acquainted with this my aforesaid dear Friend and faithful Servant of Christ whose Service the Lord made of good effect to me by the aforesaid Relation of one that was as an Adversary to him and that a considerable time before I knew him for about the time that I left the aforesaid Builders my Teachers he was concerned in the Lord's Service in Ireland in the Year 1680. He was Laborious in the Service to which the Lord by his Grace had called him and for which he had fitted him in giving him largely to know and understand the deep Mysteries of his Kingdom and filling his Treasure with the durable Riches and Righteousness thereof And as he plenteously and freely received of the Lord so it was his delight and great Concern in the Counsel of God freely to give and impart Spiritual Gifts to others that many might be enriched with the same And therefore through great Travels Sufferings and Exercises he cheerfully went in the Lord's Service who blessed his Labours so that he was Instrumental in the Lord's Hand for the turning of many from Darkness to Light and from Satan's Power to God He was neither sparing of Himself nor his Substance to serve the Lord the Giver who blessed him as well with Temporal as Spiritual Blessings of both which he was very free in the Love of God to communicate having an especial Care over the Poor that none might want and a tender respect to the least appearance of Good in any that it might be incouraged He was concerned for the general Good of all but especially Serviceable in the Church of Christ being as a Pillar in the House of God firm and stable supporting the Weak and edifying the Houshold in Love His Ministry attended by the Lord's Power hath often hit my Condition