many Councels before as the Popes Supremacy denied and decreed against by the Councel of Calcedon Africk Milevi Constantinople and Basil The second Councel of Ethesus approving Eutyches and the Councel of Calcedon condemning him The second Councel of Nice maintaining the worshipping of Images and that of Franck Ford assembled about the same time by CHARLES the Great pulling them down The first Councel of Nice permitting the marriage of Ministers according to the use of the Primitive Church and the Councel of Neocesaâ—ea and Mentz and the second of Carthage forbidding it and particularly in England having shewed a party dissenting from the Pope almost three hundred years ago in the very height of Popery here in the Raign of Edward the third in whose time God raised up Iohn Wickliff a Professour at Oxâ—ord to hold out the light of the Gospel so as many in those dayes were much enlightned thereby For among other Principles wherein he instructed the people then these were some directly against the Church of Rome 1. The Eucharist after Consecration is not the very body of Christ but figuratively 2. The Church of Rome is not the head of all Churches more than any Church is Nor hath Peter any more power given of Christ than any other Apostle hath 3. The Pope of Rome hath no more in the Keyes of the Church than any other within the order of Priest-hood 4. The Gospel is a rule sufficient of it self to rule the life of every Christian here without any other rule 5. All other rules under whose observances divers Religious persons be governed do add no more perfection to the Gospel than doth the white colour to the wall Having I say thus shewed him the height of Popery in and out of England and still a party dissenting from the gross errours of Rome and in them a light of a Church and people of God he aiming at those abominations brought in and setled as he imagined without any party dissenting from the Councel of Trent as from other Councels would needs frame his Argument from Queen Maries dayes thus 1. Object In Queen Maries dayes there were no Churches in England Ergo Now Parochial Churches are Babylonish The Argument beloved concludes nothing in the consequence for suppose there had been no Church or people professing the truth doth it therefore follow Ergo now there can be no Parochial Churches He might as well have argued thus People in Queen Maries dayes believed not Ergo People now do not believe Or People then were Papists in England Ergo now they are not Protestants and then what shall we say of Mr. Nichols his believing people Even such is this Argument In Queen Maries dayes there were no Churches Ergo now Parochial Churches are Babylonish But to let my Opponent go on with more such Enthymema's I denied his Antecedent shewing him that in Queen Maries dayes there was a glorious Church of believers who witnessed their Faith with the bloud of Martyrdom as the Stories tell us of Cranmer Brad-ford Taylor Yea some tell us of eight hundred innocents whose lives in the space of less than four years that cruel Popish Queen sacrificed unto her idols Yea such was the abundance of true believers and Protestants in those dayes that as a fruitfull Vine they were spread abroad also into Germany Sweden Denmark and a Church of English true believers was apparent at Frankford from whence came Godly Bishops that setled our Churches in Queen Elizabeths time But then he went on a little more Schollar like in suiting his consequent with his Antecedent though still fallaciously thus 2. Object In Queen Maries dayes Parochial Churches were Babylonish Ergo Now Parochial Churches are Babylonish I might well have granted here his Antecedent for ought any true illation from it to these times it proving nothing but that we must needs be now as our Fathers were in those dayes which is a false illation for though there were no Churches then there may be Churches now though Parochial Churches then were Babylonish yet Parochial Churches now may not be Babylonish neither qua as Churches neither qua as Parochial As Churches the people being converted As Parochial it having been already shewed that Parishes as Parishes were no invention of Antichrist which distinction Mr. Nichols all along his Arguments and answers seems much to mistake or forget varying these terms as he pleaseth sometimes insisting upon the word Churches as when the Argument of the ancient Coustitution of Parishes before Antichrist convinced him he then falls to the word Churches qua as mixed Congregations So here from Churches in Queen Maries dayes he falls to Parishes in Queen Maries dayes But to try further what this Monster would bring forth In Queen Maries dayes Parochial Churches were Babylonish Ergo now Parochial Churches are Babylonish I distinguished the Antecedent to that word Churches supposing what was left behinde as Parishes they were not Babylonish They were Babylonish or Popish generally I denied the Antecedent They were Babylonish or Popish as the whole Land wherein were some Protestants in all corners dissenting from Babylonish and Popish principles I granted the Antecedent And this beloved I doubt not but it will appear unto you most true that where eight hundred in less than four years suffered Martyrdom they were not all taken out of one Parish but out of several Parishes in the Land and secoâ—dly that where so much bloud of holy Protestant Martyrs was shed it would prove as Cyprian saith Sanguis Martyrum semen Ecclesiae The bloud of Martyrs is the seed of the Church by whose sufferings the Professours of the true Gospel grew and increased more and more and so not the whole Parishes or Parochial Churches would be infected with Papacie but as was the Land and Kingdom not generally or in all but in the major part at most Thus I can further prove unto you Protestants to have been then in Parishes from the instance of a Parish not far from us in this part of Kent where I am informed by a Neighbour of this Parish that he often heard his own Father relate from his Grand Fathers mouth that in Queen Maries dayes there lived in that Parish a Priest named Stacie and that many times his Father and his Fathers Brothers going to Church and observing M. Stacy his superstitious ceremonies in the Church and at the Altar would go home to their Father telling relating to him Father Mr. Stacie in the Church doth sprinkle his face with water makes crosses with his fingers upon his fore-head knocketh his breast and prayes kneeling before the pictures and the like To whom his Granâ—-father would reply My Children though Mr. Stâ—cie do such things you must beware of them you must not do the like you must not pray to images but to God neither must you learn such Ceremonies and Superstitions of Mr. Staciâ— Whereby beloved you may perceive that in those Marian dayes all were not infected with Papacie but
I took upon me to encounter with Mr. Nichols in a publick Dispute The poyson of Asps was presently perceived under the lips of some whose mouths were full of cursing and bitterness Others since the Dispute have spoken high and threatned much in case I should commit to the Press and to the view of the World what on the day of the Dispute was by Arguments strongly controverted and weakly answered And these later wait still to catch me in some false relation either of Arguments or Answers Of both these I may say truely with the Poet. Et si non aliqua noouisses mortuus esses Iannes and Iambres are so full of the spirit of contradiction that they cannot contain themselves Ambitious Diotrephes that looks for the preheminence will be prating and darting out malicious words against those Disciples that Preach Teach and stand up for the Truth That Nick-name which the Philosophers gave to Paul at Athens must be his Livery that teacheth defendeth and upholdeth any thing dissonant from these mens fancies 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 what will this Babler say And among many such Bablers as they count us I doubt not but they will place me and even slight what here I propound to thy view Courteous Reader from the Scriptures themselves and from such Syllogistical Demonstrations as in the School of Logick I have been taught to frame All which their slightings and unjust Censures I weigh them not nor any more than I deserve them Male de me loquutus es quiabene loqui nescis Some speak evil of their Neighbours because they know not how to speak well of any man Hoc facis non quod mercar sed quod soleas This they do not because their Neighbour deserves it at their hands but because it is their custom so to do I have much observed in my far travails abroad and of late at home that commonly Authors of new devices are self-pleasing and like onely their own inventions I perceive it is in vain to perswade such Easier it is to draw a prophane person from Hell-gates than to remove an Opinion from a wilfull minde Schisme as a Learned man very well observed is the ship whereon go aboard Malecontents the windes that set it foreward are violent passions Will is the Rudder Obstinacie the Anchor Schismaticks are head-strong they will not see evident conviction Self-love makes them judge the best of themselves but their want of Charity very badly of others They beguile themselves with a shew of piety heat of affection and with a strong apprehension of things greatly amiss in others These can they see with both eyes themselves with neither No Church can pass them wherein they cannot see a Rock of offence and a stone to stumble at The common Road of the best Reformed Churches is too foul for their sincerity Our Arguments against them are paper shot as they hold but their weakest Reasons against us if themselves may judge are shot of Canon They despise every mans indeavour against them and are in admiration with their own works Let any man confer with them and they shall hear it I my self have sufficient experience of it By this might I be moved to cease this labour but I am not hopeless to hold some men back and to gain some also though I cannot recover what is wholy already lost If I might speed in both I would be glad if but in one I am content in both to loose my labour I cannot doubt But from my Adversaries mouths I have been warned by some other friends to take heed of printing and that they doubt not but that with the help of one or two of their Scribes who nimbly penned my Arguments and the Answers to them upon the day of Dispute before many hundred more they shall have occasion to accuse me of false-hood in relating my Arguments and the Answers to them a meer policy as I conceive to stop my proceedings to the Press which in truth must witness what Authority of Scripture hath been produced hitherto to little purpose for Conviction of a self-conceited people and what slight Answers have been returned to keep self conceitedness yet still on foot But this threat and policie hath no whit daunted me from appearing in publick True it is I must confess I have observed that it hath alwayes been the usual trade and inveterate guile of Schismaticks in former times to corrupt falsifie and deprave not onely the books and writings but the words sayings and other conferences which they have held with the Professours of the true Reformed Churches Origen of old complained how his books were thus abused by the enemies of God and sowers of Cockle even in his own dayes Augustine writeth that the Donatists being convicted of falshood in a conference he had with them and did after maliciously calumniate traduce the sentence given against them as falsly pronounced The Arrians and Pelagians were attainted of the like Crime Of this fraud and deceit were guilty also those Popish Confederates who being vanquished in the meeting at Ratisbone divulged notwithstanding many false reports of their Triumph and Victory against Hunnius Hailbronner and the rest of their Reformed Society Thus of late was Mr. Hart guilty who after his Conference with Doctour Reynolds having acknowledged and confessed to be true what the said Dr. Reynolds was committing to the Press concerning the said Conference yet when it came to the light M. Hart falsly and maliciously forged divers things to the credit of his own and disadvantage of Dr. Reynolds Cause of which he never so much as dreamed In which kinde most notable and most fresh in memory is the pride and arrogancy of Mr. Fisher and M. Sweet who impudently boasted of their supposed conquest in a meeting which they had with Dr. Featly and Dr. White from which nevertheless they cowardly fled wholy discomfited and blotted with the ignominy of a desperate retreat No less shamefull is the vanity of Mr. Smith alias Norrice in bragging of the conference between him and Mr. Walker which himself caused to be printed Anno Domini 1624. beyond the Seas and as he saith permissu Superiorum which he stuffeth with such a heap of false and guilefull Relations as he may seem according to the Prophet to have made lying to be protected and his Superiours to yield unto it Of these and such like Gregorie truely averreth that by their labours and disquisitions they indeavour not so much to attain the truth as to seem victorious they more eagerly thirst after the applause of men than the glory of God they seek such things as appertain to themselves not such as belong to Jesus Christ. Such boastings and beggings of a victory against me having already been spread abroad by a wilfull and self-conceited people and threats divulged of accusing me of falshood in my Relation of my Conference with Mr. Nichols I have Gentle Reader thought fit to give thee notice of the Subject of our Dispute
them to do them good but I will put my fear in their hearts that they shall not depart from me Jerem. 32.40 Thirdly God hath brought us out of the Egyptian bondage of that Roman Antichrist which is another part I have heard the groaning of the Children of Israel whom the Egyptians kept in bondage and I have remembred my Covenant Exod. 6. vers 5. Fourthly because we have the book of the Covenant which is read to us as formerly by Moses to the people who took the book of the Covenant and read in the audience of all the people and they said All that the Lord hath said will we do and be obedient Exod. 24. vers 7. We have the holy Commandments and the Gospel the words of the Covenant Exod. 34. vers 28. And it is a special prerogative to Gods people to have the word of God as Paul observes in the Iews prerogative and advantage what advantage then hath the Jew Much every way chiefly because unto them were committed the Oracles of God Rom. 3. vers â— 2 Which David also sets down as a great priviledge and prerogative He shewâ—â—h his word unto Jacob his statutes and his judgements unto Israel he hath not dealt so with any Nation Ps. 14. v. 7 19 20. All which bound up in one bundle of an impartial judgement tâ—ue consideration will make it to appear unto the world that surely Mr. Nichols his Assertion is most erroneous and false affirming as much as this that a people offering their prayers to God in the name of Iesus Christ taking the same Iesus Christ onely for their Mediatour and Advocate condemning as Babylonish the Mediation and Advocation of all Saints and Angels partaking of the Covenant made by God to his people through Iesus Christ having true knowledge of Gods word and his Law written in their inward parts having the fear of God possessing their hearts having been brought out of Babylonish and Antichristian bondage having the book of the Covenant read unto them having the holy commandments the Gospel the words of the Covenant and acknowledging obedience due unto them and enjoying that peculiar priviledge and prerogative of Iacob and Israel in the word Yet notwithstanding all these particulars and sure truths out of Scripture that such a people is no true Church but Babylonish and Antichristian Mr. Nichols may say so but I am sure the Scriptures say the contrary which must be yours and my guide to the which I beseech you to lean as you tender your Souls For my part I am so convinced out of the word of the contrary to Mr. Nichols his Assertion that I hope I shall never be so seduced nor blinded as to incline to so gross and false an opinion And I hope my good God my true guide my Prophet and onely Teacher will not hereafter judge or condemne me for the lighâ— which in this particular point of controversie I am resolved till death to follow All these Arguments upon the day of dispute should have been objected against Mr. Nichols had he answered like a Schollar Categorically to every Proposition and not so much indeavoured with Speeches and Orations to stop the stream of them Many more I could propound unto you were it not that I have already found the work to increase like the Widows Oyl much in my hands and nothing yet spoken of the second Proposition which I know you expect to have it further cleared unto you than it was the other day by a few Objections against it But before I come unto it I must briefly answer the scruple of one or two of the Clergy my fellow-labourers whose impatient mutterings against Parochial Churches wherein they serve and can willingly enjoy the milk of such flocks were taken notice off by some who seem not to deny Parochial Churches in Mr. Nichols his sense counselling or Preaching a separation from them but in another sense Presbyterial they would fain call it but unjustly as disagreeing with the Classical way and with Provincial Churches which one of them told me were to be called onely Churches and Parishes not truely Churches but onely integral parts of such Classical or Provincial Churches So that the whole County being divided into Classes the Parishes also are to be divided so as that a competent number are to belong to such and such a Classes as formerly to such and such a Cathedral and all that number of Parishes to make up but one Church to be ruled by Officers and Elders according to the word but singly every Parish taken by it self not to be called a Church Which Opinion being but a Cavil as I suppose against my self by the party insisting on it I shâ—ll wave as unwilling to disturb and as willing to submit for peace and quietness sake especially in this which well understood doth not cross my Opinion and judgement of holding Parish Societies to be true Churches nor my Opinion cross the judgement of the Learned and Reverend Divines of the Presbyterial way who affirm the Presbyterial Government by Preaching and Ruling Presbyters in Congregational Classical and Synodal Assemblies to lay the truest claim to a Divine Right according to the Scriptures with whose own Doctrine I shall confirm this truth that Parochial Congregations are to be called truely Churches The aforesaid Divines in their book of the Divine right of Church-Government take notice of the whole Church the whole Body of Christ and of larger particular Members of that Body of Christ and thirdly of smaller single Congregations Which threefold distinction of Churches is truely grounded upon the Scripture Thus Paul calls the whole Body of Christ Church Now ye are the Body of Christ and Members in particular And God hath set some in the Church first Apostles secondarily Prophets thirdly Teachers 1 Cor. 12. vers 27.28 So Matâ—h 16. v. 18. and often elsewhere So likewise larger particular Members of that body of Christ such as Provincial Churches are in Scripture called Churches as the Church of Ierusalem Act 8. vers 1. the Church of Antioch Act. 13. v. 1. the Church of Coâ—inth 2 Cor. 1. vers 1. and the Church of Ephesus unto the Angel of the Church of Ephesus write these things Revel 2. vers 1. In which places there were no doubt many single Churches and Congregations as appears plainly in Corinth where Paul taught Apollo taught and Cephas taught and in Ephesus where Eusebius Emissenus reckoneth up above three-score several Churches and Congregations all which in Scripture are called one Church And I cannot here but declare my judgement upon those words of Iohn Rev. 2. vers 1. Unto the Angel of the Church of Ephesus that certainly if there were in Ephesus many single Congregations and particular Churches and yet called but Church as if but one Church were there then it appears evidently that those many single Churches made up one Provincial Church as integral parts of the whole which I will not deny to my Caviller though
you my Arguments as upon the day of Dispute they were Objected against him with his answers to them and then I shall further inlarge my discourse to prove his Congregation to be no true Church nor house of God but to practise things Babylonish Antichristian and against the word of God You may beloved call to minde that after his first Proposition had been awhile canvassed and as I complained which to many seemed Passion in me little satisfaction given by his answers why he should term our Parochial Churches Babylonish I told him it was time to come to his house he having been so long in ours and I desired him to hear me an Argument or two against his pretended Church which at first he was unwilling to grant unless he might first argue against this Parish of Deal in particular which neither my Moderatour nor my self would yield unto First because it was not a Proposition stated nor agreed upon to be disputed Secondly to avoid tumults and quarrels that might have been caused in case before your faces and upon your own ground his Arguments should tend to the affronting of any of you in particular particularizing any particular misdemeanour miscarriage or sin of any or making use of Nick-name or aspersion unjustly laid upon you as he seemed to intimate he would do saying he would speak of you but as you were characterized abroad But being stopt from casting any affront in particular upon you with much unwillingness he yielded at last tâ—at I should Object somewhat against his second Proposition And having against his first Assertion begun my Argument from the description or definition of a Babylonish Romish Parochial Church I thought it would prove my best way of objecting against his second Proposition also to begin with a true definition or description of the true house of God which I performed thus 1. Argument The house of God is the Church of the living God the pillar and ground of the truth 1 Tim. 3. vers 15. But your Congregation is not the Church of the living God nor the pillar and ground of the truâ—h Ergo your Congregation is not the house of God The Major being granted and the Minor denied I proved it thus Where many things are practized against the truth there is not the Church of the living God nor the pillar and ground of the truth But in your Congregation many things are practized against the truth Ergo your Congregation is not the Church of the living God nor the pillar and ground of the truth The Major was granted and the Minor denied which I proved thus The truth of the Word ordereth to a true Church a true Pastour But in your Church and Congregation there is no true Pastour Ergo In your Congregation things are practized against the truth The Minor or second Proposition being denied I proceeded thus In your Church and Congregation there is no known Pastour but your self But you are no true Pastour Ergo In your Church and Congregation there is no true Pastour The Minor still I proved A true Pastour comes in â—o his flock by the true door of Christ and his word But you came not in to your flock by the true door of Christ and his word Eâ—go you are no true Pastour The Minor I cleared thus The true door of Christ and his word for a Pastour to come in to his flock is by true Ordination But you came not in to your flock by true Ordination Ergo you came nâ—t in to your flock by the true door of Christ and his word The Minor appeared thus True Ordination according to Christs word is by imposition of hands by the Presbytery But your Ordination is not by imposition of hands by the Presbytery Ergo you came not in to your flock by true Ordination Here Mr. Nichols denying the Major that true Ordination according to Christs word is by Imposition of hands by the Presbytery said that he came in to his flock by the Election of the people which he said was true Ordination according to Christs word Against which answer I framed thus my second Argument 2. Argument That which is most warrantable for Ordination from tâ—e word of God is truest Ordination But Ordination by Imposition of hands by the Presbytery is more warrantable for true Ordination than the Election of the people Ergo Imposition of hands by the Presbytery is truer Ordination than the Election of the people The Major he could not deny but the Minor he denied which I thus proved Ordination by Imposition of hands by the Presbytery is clear and warrantable from the word of God in these eight places of Scripture at the least Act. 6. vers 6. Act. 13. vers 3. Hebr. 6. vers 2. 1 â—im 4. vers 14. 1 Tim. 5. vers 22. Titus 1. vers 5. Rom. 10. vers 15. Hebr. 5. vers 4. compared with verse 1 But you can shew me no such places of Scripture nor so many to warrant Ordination by Election of the people Ergo Ordination by Imposition of hands by the Presbytery is more warrantable for true Ordination from the word of God than the Election of the people Here the light of Scripture dazled Mr. Nichols his eyes the Authority of so many places wrapped up in one Proposition startled him so that fain he would have ridded himself of so much Scripture against him And he began to cavil and to question me how I knew that he was not ordained by Imposition of hands by the Presbytery having through some trouble of minde forgot that he had granted it before unto me and confessed his Ordination by the Election of the people as I told him I knew his Ordination by his own confession Then fain would he ouâ— of order form and Syllogisme know how and where I was ordained A thing beloved not very pertinent to the force of my Argument against him neither needed I to have given him in publick such an account of my self till some Argument from him against me had questioned my Ordination as mine did his yet to ease his minde I told him by whom I had been lawfully Ordained and forcing him on again to my Argument he began â—o say somewhat First that indeed he acknowledged that Imposition of hands by the Presbytery was used in the Apostles time as a Ceremony which now might be left off and so was now by many Godly men omitted To which slight answer I replied thus 3. Argument That which is a Principle of the Doctrine of Iesus Christ ought never by any Churches to the end of the World be omitted or laid aside But Imposition of hands by the Presbytery is a Principle of the Doctrine of Iesus Christ. Ergo Imposition of hands by the Presbytery in Ordination ought never by any Churches to the end of the World be omitted or laid aside Here Mr. Nichols shewed himself yet more troubled and quite to have forgotten the Scriptures or else he would not have granted my Major
of the people the Text would â—avâ— declared it thus unto us 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and when they had ordained to themselves Elders and not as it is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 when they had ordained them Elders as speaking of others Mr. Selden hath a large discourse in his book de Synedâ—iis veterum Hebraeorum shewing that the word signifies to Elect Decree Ordain and is to be understood of the Apostles Act in this place and not of the peoples What comfort then can Mr. Nichols have from this place especially if he understand Greek and the whole context and from those many more produced by me and unanswered by him to satisfie his conscience when thus by Scripture he is fully convinced to be no lawfully ordained Minister of Iesus Christ Which was the first thing I discovered by Argument against his Church or Congregation that it was not the house of God not being the pillar and ground of the Truth where the Truth of Ordination according to the word of Christ and the practise of the Apostles so much faileth and is by him opposed Thus far beloved my Arguments reached upon the day of our dispute against Mr. Nichols his second Proposition And seeing we are come to this main point of the controversie of these times concerning popular Election and Ordination and popular Government in the Church which popular men too much affecting popularity for their ends to draw away our people from our Churches have devised and of late stirred up I shall yet a little more inlarge my Judgement and Discourse for the better resolving a doubt so necessary in these times to be unfolded This Monstrous opinion can plead no Scripture except those three places by me above rehearsed out of the Acts of the Apostles To that whereon Mr. Nichols leans I have answered as also to that of Act. 6. Chap. where although the people look out honest men for Deacons yet the Apostles appoint them over that business and to that ordain them by Imposition of hands which sheweth more than a meer looking out for them and approving or allowing of them The third place is out of Act. 1. vers 23. They appointed two Joseph called Barsabas who was surnamed Justus and Mathias From whence some of the separation will settle Ordination upon the people because in this peculiar work the people were joyned with the Apostles But observe first from this place that there the Electours were eleven Apostles to guide the other But Mr. Nichols will allow those to chuse him who have no Officer to guide them amongst whom no doubt but there are very many weak persons Secondly It was very easie to chose one of these two Ioseph or Mathias who had accompanied with the Apostles all the time that Jesus went in and out among them vers 21. This was easie to know But to chose a man fit for a Pastour requires more skill than so Thirdly In this Election God was peculiarly seen the Apostles not knowing who it should be Fourthly in vers 26. They gave forth their lots and their lots fell upon Mathias They that will make any thing of this place may as well make casting of Lots an Essential to Ordination as give this power to the people who were never constituted appointed or ordained by Christ to be either the proper first or immediate subject of the power of the Keyes which I shall indeavour to clear thus unto you That which is the first subject is the proper subject No doubt of this But the proper subject is reciprocated and convertible with his Accident As for example A living Creature is the proper subject of sense and feeling A man is the proper subject of laughing or laughter And from hence we say reciprocally Every man is Risible and Every thing that is Risible is a man Every living Creature hath sense and feeling and so likewise Every thing that hath sense and feeling is a living Creature This is called Axioma 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 But every Axiome that is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth include in it the Rule 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 where the Predicate is true of the subject in all place and at all time This is true of a living Creature and feeling of a Man and Risibility And so if the people or the Fraternity be the proper subject of the power of the Keyes It must be true that they are and have been the proper Subject of the power of the Keyes omni tempore omni loco in all places and at all times But if we finde the power of the Keyes exercised in time before there was a Christian Fraternity then certainly there was some other subject of the power of the Keyes in whom this power was as in a proper subject When Paul came to Corinth he preached Authoritative and with power and Commission Eâ—go Then the power oâ— the Keyes was in some â—ubject but the Fraternity at that time was non Enâ— had no being in Christianity How then could they be the subject And if then they were not the subject how can they now be the proper subject of the power of the Keyes who were not in all place and time the proper subject of it Yet Mr. Nichols could grant that the people were the subject the proper subject and the fiâ—st subject of the power of the Keyes But he â—ruely might as well have granted that in these times Man is the proper subject of Risibility but was not alwâ—yes and that at some time Man was not Risible nor at some time a living Creature the subject of sâ—nse and feelâ—ng though now he be Buâ— secondly This Absurdity will appear thus Those who are the effect of the power of the Keyes are not the fiâ—st subject of it But the Fraternity is the effect of the power of the Keyes It was so in all the Churches which the Apostles gathered and is indeed to this day So that which is primum Subjectum the fiâ—st subject is Immediatum Subjectum the immemediate subject But how can the Fraternity be the immediate subject of the power of the Keyes since then mediantibus Apostolis by means of the Apostles and now mediantibus Ministris by means of the Ministers the Fraternity is made up I but the Elector is before the Elected It is true of Christ who Elected the Apostles and gave to them the Keyes from whom by a continued succession of Ministers still the Fraternity was made But had not the power of the Keyes had some effect there had not been a Fraternity to chose an officer though they are now in time before him whom they now Elect Yet they were not before him or them qua Fratres who by the power of the Keyes in the Ministery made them capable to chose an Officer Therefore the power of the Keyes was in some subject before them Besides Election is no power of the Keyes Therefore to argue The people Elect ergo They are the first subject of the
ye retain they are retained John 20. vers 21 22 23. And again Go ye theresore and Disciple ye all Nations and lo I am with ye allway even to the end of the World Math. 28. vers 19 20. Thirdly Christ being the wisdom of the Father Colos. 2. vers 3. and faithfull as was Moses in all his house yea more faithfull Moses as a servant over others he as a Son over his own house Hebr. 3. vers 2 5 6. It cannot stand with his exact wisdom and fidelity to commit the grand affairs of his Church Government to such as are not duely gifted and sufficiently qualified by himself to the due discharge thereof Thus you have the Major cleared and the Minor will as easily appear evident thus First The Scriptures teach that gifts for Ministery and Government are promised and bestowed not on all but on some particular persons onely in the visible body of Christ. To one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom to another the word of knowledge c. not to all 1 Cor 12. vers 8.9 seq If a man know not how to rule his own house how shall he take care of thâ— Church of God 1 Tim. 3. vers 5. The Hypothesis insinuates that all men have not gifts and skill rightly to rule their own houses much less to govern the Church Secondly Experience tells us that the multitude of the people are generally destitute of such knowledge wisdom prudence learning and other necessary qualifications for the right carrying on of Church Government Ergo Christ makes not the Community of the faithfull the first subject of the power of Church Government But this truth will yet more clearly appear by answering the Arguments and Objections of those who stand so much for Popular power and Government 1. Object First They Object thus To whom Christ gave all power to them it chiefly and primarily belongs But Christ gave all power to the body of the Church which is the Community of the faithfull Ergo To the Community of the faithfull all power belongs chiefly and primarily The Minor they prove from the Apostle Whither Paul or Apollo or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come all are yours 1 Cor. 3. vers 22. from whence they conclude that Paul Apollo Cephas and their successours in the Ministery belong to them and are under their power and Order Answ. To which I answer that Christ gave all power to the body of the Church finaliter objective finally and objectively that is for their use and benefit for their service and salvation So that if the Ministers preach administer the Sacrament exercise the power of the Keyes it is all for the good and benefit of the faithfull Community they are the Object they are the end the Ministers aim at in the work of the Ministery But we are not theirs so as to be of their making and Authorizing Church power is first seated in Christ the head and Apostle of our profession and from him committed to his Apostles and from them to the Presbytery and Ministers They commit the same to others which themselves had first received But according to that known rule Nemo dat quod non habet No man can give to another that which himself hath not first received Therefore the people which never received Orders nor power to administer the word Sacraments and Keyes how can they bestow it on others This is besides all Scripture and reason 2. Object Christs Disciples arâ— Christs Church But Christs Ministerial power is given to Christs Disciples Ergo Christs Ministerial power is given to his Church Proved from Math. 16. vers 13.20 Ans. In this Argument is changed the Copulative which ought not to be in a true Syllogisme But these Popular men may as well break the rules of art as the Faith of truth Again This cunning Sophister useth deceit in the word Disciples which he expounds by this Argument to be other than Apostles or such as were Disciples sent forth to preach when the place of Math. 16. vers 13.18 is evidently against this For he cannot prove at this time any to be with Christ but the twelve as may appeâ—r by Luke As he was alone praying his Disciples were with him and â—e asked them saying whom say the people that I am Luke 9. vers 18. Neither doth the place of Mathew say that these Disciples are Christs Church as this Sophister maketh shew but rather the 18. verse in that place of Mathâ—w manifesteth that Christ made himself a difference between tâ—e Disciples in the Person of Peter and the Church both which are there distinctly mentioned at the most they be but part of Christs Church and not the whole Church and then so meant this Argument gaines nothing For the Copulative Is given it is to be taken two ways Primarily and Immediately or Secondarily and Mediately If it be taken in the first sense and the word Disciples also for the Apostles then it is for us and against this Sophister If in the second sense and the word Disciples taken for the whole Church then I grant all for I confess the poweâ— of Christ to be given to the Church Mediately that is as I said before unto others for the Churches bâ—hoose and benefit If the Sophister understand it to be given Primarily to the whole multitude I deny it as utterly false till he can prove that by Disciples in Math. 16. vers 13 20. is meant the multitude which he calls the Church and not onely the Apostles 3. Object The wife hath power immediately from the husband and the body hath power immediately from the head But the visible Church or a Communion of faiâ—hfull people are Christs Spouse the wife of the Lamb and Christs mysticall body as appeareth Ephes. 5. vers 30 32. and Ephes. 1. vers 22 23. and Revel 21. vers 2. Ergo The visible Church or Communion of faithfull ones have Christs Ministerial power immediately from him Ans. There is more in the Câ—nâ—lusion than in the premises for there is the word Ministeriall which is in neither of the former propositions as in right arguing it ought to be lt is no Syllogisme and the Argument is but a similitude which may illustrate an approved truth but proves not nor gives resolution to a doubting minde much less decides our our Cause in hand 4. Object One Relate gives the Essentiall Constituting cause to another But Pastor and People are Relates Ergo The People give to the Paâ—tor the Essentiaâ— Constituting causes of â— Pastor 1. Ans. I answer first with Mr. Rutherfoâ—d that Ordination doth first make a Minister and Election after doth not make him a Minister but onely doth appropriate him to such a place and to such a People 2. Ans. Secondly I answer that in many cases Ordination may go before Election The Apostles were Ordained and sent before they were appropriated by any peculiar people So in the India's
slighted It is not my custom in this place to particularize any mans defects and errours neither would I have done it now had not my Text called upon me to surround the bounds of Zion and Babylon and to shew you what is the truth taught and professed in Zion and what is Babylonish and Antichristian and to answer those Propositions of Mr. Nichols affirming our Parochial Churches Babylonish and his own to be Zion and the house of God And as he hath gone about to brand us with an infamous Babylonish title thereby thinking to draw yet more of you to his separation I cannot in conscience discharge my duty to God and your Souls unless I vindicate our Churches and shew yet more Babylonish and Antichristâ—â—n practises and untruths in his Congregation whereby it may be Charactâ—rized unto you not to be the house of God nor the Pillar and Ground of Truth 2. Errour A second errour and untruth practized in Mr. Nichols his Congregation is in the administring the Sacrament of the Lords Supper at which Mr. Nichols allows a Lay-man or gifted brother to make a prayer at the setting apart those empty Elements for a Sacramental use to the Soul Which how contrary it is to the truth of the word and the example of Iesus Christ when first he instituted that Sacrament under the Elements of Bread and Wine I shall leave you to judge from what St. Luke relates of the last Supper in these words saying He took bread and gave thanks and brake it and gave unto them Luke 22. vers 19. and from St. Paul saying when he had given thanks he brake it 1 Cor. 11. vers 24. from which places I gather that though Christ had present about him his Apostles Brethren though then weak more able and gifted than are any of Mr. Nichols his Congregation yet Christ suffered none of them at that time to pray or give thanks but himself did it Secondly that prayer and thanksgiving at that time belongs to him and ought to be performed by him who breaks the bread and by no other that hath the power of the Keyes by lawfull Ordination which Mr. Nichols his Farmeâ—s and Millers have not And thirdly that without Mr. Nichols can clear his Ordination better than he hath done fâ—om the peoples Election of him the Administration of that Sacrament belongs to him but his abuse rather of so sacred a Mystery will one day lie with the heavy weight of Sacriledge upon his Soul 3. Errour A third errour and untruth practized by him is in the manner of his gatherinâ— his Church and building it up upon other mens foundations quite contrary to the practise and example of St. Paul who saith of himself So have I strived to preach the Gospel not where Câ—â—ist was namâ—d least I should build upon another mans foundation Rom. 15. vers 20. from whence I observe that St Paul strived not as Mr. Nichols strives Paul judged charitably of other mens preaching Mr. Nichols judgeth uncharitably of ours Paul judged others able to build up a Spiritual house to Christ Mr. Nichols judgeth us unable Pâ—ul judged that Christ was named and called upon in other Churches as well as in his own Mr. Nichols judgeth our Churches Babylonish and our people congregâ—ted not to name nor call upon Christ as if we called upon Angels Saints or some Heathenish Gods Paul though there were divisions among the Corinthians and some were for him some for Apollo and some for Ceâ—has widens not the wound of their division nor goes about to draw any from Apollo or any from Cephas Mr. Nichols makes our divisions his advantage to draw whom he can from our Churches Paul would not build upon another mans foundation Mr. Nichols builds upon ours and admits to his Congregation such as have acknowledged comfort to their Souls from the work of the publick Ministery as by experience I can speak of some who before Mr. Nichols resorted to or intruded himself into Deal acknowledged my Doctrine true sound wholesom and comfortable who since are become stones in Mr. Nichols his new building And thus it appears that his practise is not agreable to the true and peaceable practise of the Apostles especially of Paul 4. Errour A fourth errour practized by him is the unsetled place of his Church contrary to the Constitution of the first Primitive Churches which were known and named by the places as the Church at Ierusalem the Church at Antioch the Church at Ephesus the Church at Corinth and the like to which Paul directed his Epistles by the names of the place but were he to write to Mr. Nichols his Church he could not call it by any one place as the Church at Adisham where Mr. Nichols lives there being more of his Church many miles off in other places flying about on the Sabbath dayes or Trouping about on Hors-back on those dayes to hear him than there are present with him at Adisham But the Letters must be directed to Mr. Nichols his scattered Church at Adisham or elsewhere or to the flying and wandring or Trouping Church from one place to another which is most proper to it or to the church in Kent sometimes here and sometimes there all which is against the Constitution of the Primitive Churches setled in and named by some one certain and determinate place This practise is taken from the Church of Rome and therefore is Babylonish where in my time beyond the Seas I observed people for their pretended devotions much flying and wandring about either to places of Pilgrimage or upon the Sabbath dayes travelling five or six miles from their Parishes to such or such a Chappel to such or such a Cloister of Friars or Colledge of Jesuites under a pretence of gaining Indulgences by hearing Mass or Sermon in such a place and of such a Father And this hath been the Common practise of the Jesuites to draw the people there from the Parish Priests to perswade them that their Doctrine is soundest their lives purest whereas the Friars and the Parish Priests say they are of lewd and wicked Conversations and their Doctrine unprofitable and to this purpose they press to the people many Indulgences which they have obtained from the Pope for all such as shall hear their Doctrine and shall resort to their Churches and Chappels which now is more particularly practized by the Jesuites at Paris By whsch policy the Parish Churches there are very much deserted few people resort unto them and the Parish Priests are left to preach to the bare Walls and to some few old silly Women This policy if not under a pretence of Mass and Indulgences at least under a pretence of more pure Doctrine I have found to be much in Mr. Nichols whose people it seems have learned to run after him many miles upon the Sabbath dayes forsaking their Parish meetings as unprofitable to them and judging the day ill spent their Souls unedified except they hear him and no
for the satisfaction he had of him that he was a fit man to take care of their state and in the mean time he sends unto them Epaphroditus vers 25. and exhorteth them to receive him in the Lord with all gladness and hold such in reputation vers 29. and this without the peoples Election judging their after-approbation to be sufficient Even so for our peoples Election of a Minister if it be not before the Minister comes to a place and he be sent by a Patron yet sometimes the peoples acceptance and approbation afterwards may supply the want of Election at the first as Iacobs after-consent and acceptance of Leah made her to be his wife though he chose her not at the first Now fourthly For the final cause requisite for the compleating a true Minister of Christ it appeareth in many of us by our profit in converting many Souls Yea those that have separated from us must confess that they also were at the first awakened by us We have then Gods ordinary and dayly assistance in our Ministery for the perfecting of the Saints for the edifying of the body of Christ Ephes. 4. vers 12. which is the end of the Ministery and not Babylonish or Antichristian This is clearly seen and proved for Gods assistance appeareth in his effectual working mens conversion by the work of the Ministery for conversion is by the word 1 Cor. 4. vers 15. Rom. 1. vers 16. through the Spirit and not by the word delivered without the Spirit and it is not in man to move the heart to grace 1 Cor. 3. vers 5.6 2 Cor. 3. vers 5. But God doth take the power of conversion to himself Deut. 30. vers 6. Act. 16. vers 14. The means indeed is the word Iames 1. vers 18. Examples hereof we have throughout the Acts of the Apostles Therefore iâ— men be here converted God doth aid the Ministers and is with them by the power of his Spirit in that work 2 Cor. 3. vers 3. by which the Apostle proveth to have the power of the Spirit in his Ministery by the conversion of his hearers All which considered and finding the four causes requisite to make up and compleat true Ministers to be with us I conclude that the Parish Officiating Ministers in England for the most part are men sufficiently qualified by God orderly called to the Ministery and to do that work which Christ appointed his Ministers to do and consequently that they are not Babylonish but true and lawfull Ministers of Iesus Christ. 4. Argument They that have the true properties of true Shepheards are Christs true Ministers But the Parish Officiating Ministers in England have the true properties of true Shepheards Ergo The Parish Officiating Ministers in England are Christs true Ministers and consequently are not Babylonish or Antichristian The Minor I prove thus from the 10. of Iohn for first these go in by the door vers 2. that is by Iesus Christ v. 7. by his call and the Churches as I have proved before Secondly the Porter openeth unto them vers 3. who invisibly letting men into the Church by Christ the door is Gods spirit who doth qualifie true Ministers with gifts and graces and is forcible by them to win people And visibly the Porter is the Authority committed by the Church unto some for admitting men into the house the Church of God Thirdly they lead them forth vers 3. that is from pasture to pasture from milk the grounds of Religion to strong meat Catechizing and otherwise interpreting the holy Scriptures unto them Which true properties of a Shepheard being found in the Parish Officiating Ministers here in England it appeareth that they are true Shepheards and so true Ministers of Iesus Christ and therefore neither Babylonish nor Antichristian or Popish Thus having with Arguments proved unto you that our Ministers are true Gospel Ministers for the further clearing this truth it remains that we answer to what they object against us who do separate from us which is chiefly this Object The Ordination of the Ministers who aâ— this time are Parish Officiating Ministers came from the Romish Synagogue they also were ordained by Bishops Ergo They are not true Ministers or thus Those Ministers which stand by a Romish Institution are no true Ministers But the Ministers of England stand by a Romish Institution Ergo They are no true Ministers but Babylonish and Antichristian 1. Answ. The Minor of this Syllogisme must be denied for we stand by no Romish Institution for Ordination is none of Romes inventions but instituted by the Lord Iesus Christ. So that the Ministers of England stand by an Institution of Christ descending to them from the Apostles through the Church of Rome must be the meaning of this Argument To which we answer that the passing through Rome nulls not the Institution of Christ. As we cast not away the Scriptures Sacraments and what ever Ordinances we have now though they have descended to us from the Apostles through Rome Which Argument runs as strong against Baptisme which though mingled with Romish inventions is not therefore nulled The vessels that were once dedicated to God by his own Institution though they were put into the house of Nebuchadnezars Gods and those that were fit very likely used to drink Wine in when he praised the Gods they were not so much as new cast again but carried to Ierusalem Ezra 1. vers 11. Yea Mr. Iohnson a great man of the separation seeing one that was a Minister in the Church of England afterwards to be chosen a Teacher to a separate Congregation without any new imposing of hands undertakes to justifie the Action thus in five Propositions 1. Imposition of hands is of God and not an invention of man It was not a Post or a Threshold first brought by Antichrist into the Temple of God but had therein before ever Antichrist sate there 2. Baptisme and Imposition of hands are joyned together among the Principles of the foundation spoken of Hebr. 6. vers 2. Therefore they ought to be regarded 3. Imposition of hands is in the Church of Rome still given to the Ofâ—â—ce of the Ministery and in the name of the Lord as they do also still administer Baptisme 4. We finde not either precept example or ground in the Scriptuâ—e binding to the repetition of it 5. The Priests and Levites in Israel becoming unclean when afterward they were cleansed retained still their places of being Priests and Levites and the Children of the Priests and Levites â—ucceeding after them did administer without a new anointing or new Imposition of hands Thus Mr. Iohnson and with him also Mr. Ainsworth though in their judgement both for the Separation opposed rebaptization because baptisme is an Ordinance of God which was had in the Church of Rome before the sell into Apostasie and hath been there continued ever since the Apostles times however commingled with many inventions of their own So likewise Mr. Iohnson defended