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A60506	The Quakers spiritual court proclaim'd Being an exact narrative of two several tryals had before that new-high-court of justice, at the Peele in St. John's Street; together with the names of the judges that sate in judgment, and of the parties concern'd in the said tryals: also sundry errors and corruptions, in principle and practice among the Quakers, which were never till now made known to the world. Also a direction to attain to be a Quaker, and profit by it. All which, with many new matters and things of remark among those men, are faithfully declared and testified. By Nathaniel Smith student in physick, who was himself a Quaker, and conversant among them for the space of about XIV. years.	Smith, Nathaniel, d. 1668?; Yearwood, Randolph, d. 1689.	1668 (1668)	Wing S4135; ESTC R219636	40,156	50

the Earth to be round and that when it was day with us it was night in other places he was then desi●ous to convince me of this my Errour as he thought and to make me Relinq●ish all such Tenents I being come to the Castle where he was he came to me and Jo. Stubs told him of my Principle concerning the Earth and its roundness whereupon Geo. told me that it was fl●t and brought Arguments for it that let a M●● travel never so far he shall not see the Earth to bend round he also affirmed that when it was 12. of the Clock with us that then it was 12. of the Clock all the World over Then I asked him whether there was a new Sun every day he answered No there was but one Sun then said I what becomes of it in the Night or does it give light or not or doth it go down into the Sea to cool it self he said it went cross back again some way But when he could not hold his Discourse then he began to father all this his Errours upon his Spi●it of Revelation and said that it was revealed to him that it was so and therefore it must stand for Truth ●e thinking that I would submit to that as many others do which believe all that he and some others say is a Divine Truth and must not be contradicted by any but at the last reason did over-power these Divine Revelations This was in the Great Room or Hall in Lancaster Castle At another time I spake of Spirits and said that there were Spiritual bodies and Angels but he denied all and said that the●e was Light and Darkness and the one was of God and the other of the Devil meaning rather that the one was God and the other the Devil and that there was no distinct Spirits nor Angels for he could never see them in the Divine Light And further did affi●m that if there were any he should have seen them but he never saw any therefore there was none This and the like words he spoke and held forth to me to have me to believe and become an Atheist or Ranter for they both hold the same and it is their Principle and whosoever holdeth the same is of the like Principle This was spoken in Margaret Fell's room in the aforesaid Castle Then I Discoursed with him about the Soul and I affirmed that it had a Spiritual body after this ●ife He answered that it was the breath of God and that in wicked men it was oppressed with sin but it should be redeemed and return to God that gave it that is that all Souls shall return to Glory Peace and Happiness and not to answer for any sin after this Life After this Jo. Stubs and I being together in my Chamber we did Discourse about the Soul of man after this Life He said that he did believe that there was no Punishment after this Life and that which was in this Life was for Disobedience to the Light and further he said That as all dyed in Adam so in the second Adam that is Christ all were made alive and that all should go one and the same way when they were dead and that they should not have any Punishment for sin hereafter but what was it was in this Life and that the Soul should go to God that gave it And further he said It was not his Principle alone for Geo. Fox did hold the same and Geo. said That those that did believe any other ways were of the Old Opinion But this must be kept secret lest it should cast a Stumbling-block before the Weak but as they came to grow up in the Truth they would come to see it in the Light But I was altogether against him and brought this Scripture of the Apostles against them which said If we have Hope but in this Life only we are of all men most miserable But let me say what I could I could not perswade him from it because Geo. Fox held the same which I found too true by Discoursing with him A●er this I discoursed with George Fox about the Beasts of the Field and creeping things he did affirm that they had Reason as well as Man and that all the differences betwixt man and them was only that man was fallen from his first estate and that the beast were not that man was worse than the beast I asked him what difference there was betwixt the Soul of a man and of a beast he said That God breathed into man the breath of Life and so he did into all Creatures and that all the Vertue in all things were of the Light and when they were at an end they did return to God again For he looked upon God not as being a Spirit but a great Light as the Light of the Day and the Night as the Devil and that these are two great beings of themselves and are without any cause as the day hath for the Sun is the cause of the Light and it's absence the cause of the Night But this he did not understand I wish he may understand that there is a God which is the first moving Cause of that Divine Light and also that there are Angels or Devils all which he and others that believe not the same may come to know the Truth of it too soon for if there were nothing else but what he believeth then what need men learn any thing and certainly if this be true as he saith then it must needs be true that that is a new Light which he hath for it is not like that which the Prophets and Apostle● had for they believe that there were Angels which are Spirits and also Devils that are Spirits But how any such an one can truly know God and teach his Truth and all the Truths which belong to that great Divine Power I know not but leave it for others to Judge After this when I understood that this was taking Root amongst some of the Chief of them I was resolved that where-ever I found them holding these Tenents or the like to it I would use my best endeavour to over-turn if possible I could lest in time it might grow and so bring them into Arantism this I resolved in my self and in part put it forward for meeting with some that were already Infected with it by such Arguments as I brought against it were something convinced that there was Spirits and that Man should have a beeing after this Life Then these things put me to a stand whether I should come amongst them or not seeing they we●e ●alling from the Scripture and from Truth it self for this would lead into all Errors but then again I thought that it might be possible that I might over-turn this grand Error and by that means might do much good but there were many of the Chief of them which held the same and when I would discourse with them then I must submit to them and also must repent for

is thy boasting proud Spi●it in thee G. F. Do●t thou stand to his Judgment Answ Yes I said before that I would stand to your Judgment But Friend what Country-man art thou He answered Stafford-Shire as I did understand T●●n said I thou art none of my Country-man Geo. blamed him for Speaking but 〈◊〉 suppose and so may all others that it was because Geo. would not have himself to be found in an Untruth as here he was otherwise it had been no matter G. F. But dost thou blame thy self and C●ndemn it in the bottom of thy Heart Answ Geo. I told thee before that I did Repent and was sorry in that I told it Hilkiah Bedford and I know not whether I did tell it to any other but I must tell thee That at that time he ca●t out some Words that I thought to have told it to thee And if I had done so I should not have Repented but in Telling it where it was not Expedient or Convenient I am sorry and repent for it G. F. But art thou sorry for it and do●t thou condemn thy self if thou do●t then we will proceed to the other Let me perswade thee for if thou stand in it after this manner thou art not to come amongst men nor to discourse nor have any Familiarity with man and what wilt thou do then thou must be undone because thou wilt not yield to this It were better for thee to submit to Jo. Boulton Answ I have said enough I think if you would have me say any thing else tell me what I must speak I shall say it G. F. We must not spend our Precious time thus for we have other things to do and to wait upon the Lord and if thou will not Submit then thou must go from amongst Vs We had more Words which were to no effect and cannot well be put in Order because they were like a Horse in a Mill still running round but come to the same place Then G. Fox commanded the Clark to Write That whereas Nathaniel Smith hath spoke Evil of J. Boulton behind his back and will not submit to him Therefore he is not to have any Communication with any man or any man with him This he was to Record against me but let all judge whether I did not submit enough to him or whether he or I was in the greatest Fault or whether he had not cause to have repented or submit to me for his Judgment the last Tryal But all that they did aime at was to have me to condemn my self that so they might the better have done it hereafter and that he might Rule and bear Dominion over others Then G. Fox Commanded me to go from amongst them for they had other things to do but that good Saint Hilkiah Bedford was received again and suffered to be as one of them but I departed at his Command Some few dayes after this I came to some of their Houses and they took occasion to speak to me of the last Tryal and said that I must bear with Friends I told them that I had born with them these 10 Years in hopes that in time they would grow in the Truth and Righteousness and then they would cast off all such Ceremonies and Conceits as they had got amongst them as you shall here further in m● Reply to their Answer if they make any if not I shall let it rest There was some others that said I must forget and forgive for that was according to the Truth and not take Notice of such things and that I ought to bear with others I know that all this is true but what is the reason they observe it not themselves They lay B●rthens upon others that they themselves will not bear for this is the first they have to Accuse me of but I have to Accuse them from time to time Yet I have born with and forgiven it but if they be not Sati●fied in it t●e● shall have it the next time when they desire me to Answer them to their Propositions But now G. Fox begins to clear himself of this Court that he is not Guilty For we saith he cast out none but they cast out themselves through their Wickedness for we do not receive them i● therefore we cannot cast them out What then was that Sentence that the Clark of the Closet drew up But you Preach Teach and Speak whereby to bring them in and then if they will not observe your Ceremonies then you do your Endeavour to do it and to my own knowledge by Wards you have past Sentence upon them as you did by me and others you have carried out by Violence and here it appears you do for I my self did not leave you till Jo. Boulton Commanded me not to come Here it doth Appear that there is a different Spirit amongst them and so it cant be said that I cast out my self by reason of Wickedness for I came to complain against the Wickedness of some of you But you had rather Des●roy any Person than your Juglings should come to light as it hath done in this but how G. Fox will clear himself that he doth not cast any forth and yet did it by me and said That it was better for me to submit to Jo. Boulton as I suppose that Shordit●h-Church was a Wind-Mill and that he was not lost nor then out of his way neither in amaze If I would have submitted to this then the Sentence should not have been past against me nor I cast ●ut but it doth appear to me something like them in Old time when they cast them forth and Imprisoned them and put them to Death yet they said it was their own Fault and that they brought all upon their own Heads for in all times those that were the Perse●utors would ever clear themselves of it as far as their Tongue or Pens could reach and many times they would Reach over many Kingdoms to beguile the Ignorant Geo. But this is the Triming of the Vineyard and the plucking up of the Tares out of the W●eat and s● it is lawful But yet George there is something more in it for thou must have a ca●e whe● thou Trim or Prune the Vine for thou mayst as well Destroy it as Cure it in Cutting o●● when it should rather have been Nursed up and the Bryars and T●orns that did choak it have been cut down before that thou hadst meddled with it then mightest thou have had abundance of it to discern between Good and Evil but it may be that it is thy Resolution to pluck up the Tares from amongst the Wheat and set the rest of thy Servants to do the like but thou must receive a greater Call than those did which Christ reproved and said that the Wheat and Tares must grow together lest they should Destroy the Wheat also but I understand that this i● no great Burthen to tread down the Wheat if every blade do not please you although the Wheat

was already done After this at another time he and I went to the Cooks Shop in Smithfield to Dinner and being at Dinner he was still pressing me to this party but withall told me that she was covetous but if I would ●ake his advice he would do well enough for that but I must keep his counsel and do as he would tell me I askt him what it was and he said that I must buy four or five Hundred Pound Bags and go to Hackney High-way and fill them with little Pibbles I askt him what that was and he told me they were little Sto●es and bring them home to my Lodging and set them in my Closet then I must invite him to my Chamber and when he came I must open the Closet Door and let him see them and he would pretend to her that they were money but I abhor●ing all such deceit in my heart did not condescend to it After this another time at the same House we being at Dinner he blamed me that I went no of●ner to the party and said that he would teach me and it was this That he that would Wooe a Maid mu●t ●ain lye and flatter but he that would Wooe a Widdow must rehearsing these words several times down with his Britches and at her After this with many other perswasions which he used and perceiving that I would not do as he would have me he began to exclaim against me and call me all he could devise and also inform'd thee against me as thou knowest G. F. Hast thou any more to say against him Answ Yes but I would have him to answer to this first and leave the other for another part this is enough at once for him to answer to and when he hath so done he shall hear the other G. F. I would have thee to say all thou hast to say first Answ No I will not he shall answer to this first G. F. But there is another thing thou didst at his House thou wast uncivil there and offeredst some abuse to his Kinswoman or Sister Answ I know not his Kinswoman or Sister any more than him whom I never saw in my life nor I know not that I did any thing to them that was uncivil that I remember and if I did salute one or both of them it is more than I can remember but it may be I did and that was all To this Hilkiah Bedford made no reply to say whether it were so or no and so it was let alone G. F. Come Hilkiah make answer to what he hath said against thee is it true or not H. B. That is the Devil or it come of him for he is the Father of all such and looking upon me lyes for that which he hath said is false and there is no Truth in it G. F. Speak to the first is that true or not H. B. It was not as he said but it is true that I came there and found them together and said what you want one to joyn your hands together so I took their hands and in a light vain manner put them together and I blame my self for it G. F. That 's well said thou dost well to confess the Truth and to be sorry for it but what dost thou say to the other concerning the Stones H. B. The truth is that I could never see any thing in him but lightness and vanity I thought it was no matter of Conscience in him because he was so bad and so I said to him Canst thou not do so but for the rest it is false G. F. Thou dost well to confess the Truth but what sayst thou to the last H. B. There was some idle Discourse stir'd up by his vain mind which made me speak some vain words but what he saith is false and he lies G. F. Thou dost well to confess thy faults and not to stand in them I commend thee for it But yet for all his well-doing and saying and for this commendation of George's he did but praise a lyar for he spoke not the truth in any thing as it was done at the first Then I said to him that he had not spoken the Truth but did lye H. B. If they were the last word that I should speak they are true but he spoke after that therefore he did lie I answered if there be any Truth in Heaven above or in the Earth beneath that which he hath spoken is false then they blam'd me for bringing that in question upon such light occ●sion and spoke well of him for yielding to the truth whereas it was but to his own lyes that he yields to This being ended as you have heard then he was to accuse me of things that I am not sure whether ever I spoke them to him however I shall place them as they were spoken to me G. F. Hilkiah Hast not thou something to d●●use him of about James Sparkes H. B. Yes he said he had proved James Sparkes Ministry false and he a lyar and he said that George Fox took his part also and called James Sparkes a raw Boy G. F. But there is something concerning Jo. Bo●lton H. B. Yes he boasted and said that he disputed him and rou●ed him and put him in such amaze that he could not finde the way to the Meeting and further said that if the Ministers were in any dispute they must be beholding to him to help them out G. F. What do●t thou say to this what art thou sorry for abusing him Answ George I desire to have leave to speak how it was this which he speaketh of was done at Lancaster upon a time when he came from Bristol I having liv'd there formerly desired to know how friends did there they told me they were well I asked also for George ●ishop and whether he were in Prison or not they said yes I enquired in what Prison he was in they answered in none but in Thomas Gouldney's new House then said I Thomas Gouldney's new House is his Prison then they thundered Plagues and Damnation on me for saying Thomas Gouldney a very good friend should build Houses for Prisons for friends I told them again that I did n●t say that Thomas Gouldney did build it for a Prison but if George Bishop were Prisoner the place that did contain him by vertue of the Law was his Prison but they told me there was no vertue nor li●e in me nor in any thing that I did then I told them they did lye and that I would prove vertue in a Post then they said that the Plagues and veng●ance of God was for me and hang'd over my head and with many speeches of exclamation against me they went to their Chamber and I likewise went to mine and when I was entered into it I wept bitter●y to think how long a time they had professed the truth and p●e●end that they had the Divine teac●ing of the Spirit and ye● should ●e so ●oolish as not to understand reason