the_o church_n of_o rome_n since_o the_o apostle_n day_n which_o position_n be_v indeed_o the_o juncture_n without_o which_o the_o whole_a frame_n almost_o of_o all_o other_o controversy_n hang_v loose_a doctor_n whitaker_n undertak_v to_o prove_v the_o contrary_a in_o who_o rather_o then_o in_o any_o other_o protestant_n i_o have_v peculiarly_a and_o ex_fw-la professo_fw-la make_v choice_n to_o personate_v all_o the_o speech_n and_o argument_n use_v to_o prove_v this_o suppose_a change_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n principal_o because_o there_o be_v no_o protestant_a writer_n that_o i_o know_v who_o have_v so_o much_o prosecute_v this_o presume_a change_n as_o doctor_n whitaker_n have_v do_v as_o appear_v in_o his_o book_n against_o the_o cardinal_n himself_o against_o father_n campion_n that_o bless_a saint_n and_o chief_o against_o duraeus_n where_o the_o doctor_n undertake_v to_o instance_n diverse_a example_n of_o this_o imaginary_a revolt_n yet_o here_o you_o be_v to_o conceive_v that_o i_o have_v not_o so_o dwell_v in_o the_o only_a write_n of_o doctor_n whitaker_n as_o that_o i_o neglect_v what_o other_o protestant_n have_v also_o write_v in_o maintenance_n of_o this_o change_n for_o i_o assure_v you_o i_o have_v omit_v nothing_o of_o moment_n which_o i_o can_v find_v in_o their_o book_n to_o be_v object_v in_o proof_n thereof_o though_o doctor_n whitaker_n be_v introduce_v to_o deliver_v or_o speak_v it_o and_o withal_o i_o have_v make_v special_a reference_n to_o their_o book_n where_o such_o their_o sentence_n or_o authority_n be_v to_o be_v find_v and_o yet_o learned_a man_n notwithstanding_o all_o that_o which_o can_v be_v urge_v by_o any_o of_o they_o in_o this_o behalf_n soon_o shall_v they_o prove_v that_o the_o fix_a star_n have_v change_v their_o posture_n &_o situation_n in_o their_o orb_n then_o that_o rome_n have_v change_v it_o faith_n so_o true_a be_v those_o word_n of_o a_o ancient_a father_n sua_fw-la vetus_fw-la roma_fw-la ab_fw-la antiquis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la habere_fw-la rectam_fw-la fidem_fw-la &_o semper_fw-la eam_fw-la retinet_fw-la what_o sentence_n authority_n or_o instance_n of_o change_n doctor_n whitaker_n have_v use_v in_o any_o of_o his_o book_n by_o i_o allege_v the_o same_o i_o have_v set_v down_o with_o citation_n of_o the_o book_n and_o in_o a_o several_a character_n from_o that_o which_o he_o speak_v at_o large_a in_o the_o person_n of_o a_o protestant_n and_o this_o to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o reader_n may_v sever_v the_o doctor_n own_o word_n from_o the_o word_n of_o a_o protestant_n in_o general_a in_o like_a sort_n what_o intemperate_a speech_n even_o load_v with_o malice_n and_o rancour_n the_o doctourâ—seth_v â—seth_z against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o by_o i_o forge_v and_o father_v upon_o he_o but_o be_v especial_o those_o which_o be_v most_o virulent_a his_o own_o word_n yet_o extant_a in_o his_o book_n and_o according_o they_o be_v print_v in_o a_o different_a letter_n with_o the_o latin_a word_n set_v in_o the_o margin_n so_o careful_a i_o be_o not_o to_o wrong_v the_o doctor_n by_o unjust_o obtrude_a upon_o he_o any_o scurrilous_a and_o undecent_a inuective_n or_o pasquil_n the_o conclusion_n consist_v in_o retort_v that_o upon_o our_o aduersarte_n where_o with_o they_o here_o charge_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n i_o mean_v in_o demonstrate_v that_o it_o be_v the_o protestant_n who_o have_v make_v in_o faith_n this_o change_n and_o innovation_n from_o the_o ancient_a faith_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o thus_o by_o compare_v these_o two_o contrary_a faith_n &_o doctrine_n together_o and_o the_o antiquity_n of_o the_o one_o and_o innovation_n of_o the_o other_o you_o shall_v find_v that_o error_n be_v best_a know_v by_o truth_n as_o death_n be_v know_v bylife_n now_o here_o your_o ingenuity_n be_v to_o suppose_v for_o the_o time_n that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o doctor_n whitaker_n be_v at_o this_o present_a live_n in_o like_a sort_n that_o the_o cardinal_n have_v read_v all_o book_n write_v either_o in_o latin_a or_o english_a which_o be_v in_o this_o dialogue_n allege_v which_o like_a supposall_n you_o be_v also_o to_o make_v in_o the_o other_o subsequent_a dialogue_n touch_v the_o person_n in_o they_o produce_v as_o that_o they_o be_v now_o live_v and_o that_o they_o all_o live_v at_o one_o time_n etc._n etc._n all_o which_o imagination_n be_v full_o justifiable_a in_o the_o true_a method_n of_o dialogue_n since_o in_o this_o kind_n of_o writing_n the_o person_n you_o know_v be_v forge_v for_o the_o matter_n and_o not_o the_o matter_n for_o the_o person_n and_o thus_o much_o touch_v the_o first_o dialogue_n now_o to_o descend_v to_o the_o second_o dialogue_n the_o subject_n whereof_o be_v to_o demonstrate_v that_o the_o visibility_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n can_v be_v iustify_v from_o the_o primitive_a church_n much_o less_o from_o the_o apostle_n day_n till_o luther_n revolt_n and_o which_o be_v more_o that_o not_o any_o one_o man_n during_o all_o that_o long_a period_n of_o time_n nor_o luther_n himself_o can_v be_v true_o insist_v upon_o for_o a_o perfect_a &_o absolute_a protestant_n and_o such_o as_o the_o present_a church_n of_o england_n can_v or_o will_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o it_o which_o point_n be_v once_o evict_v how_o deadly_a it_o wound_v the_o protestant_n may_v easy_o appear_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o ever_o necessary_a and_o undeniable_a visibility_n of_o christ_n true_a church_n who_o expansion_n enlargement_n and_o uneclypse_v radiancy_n at_o all_o time_n be_v much_o celebrate_v in_o holy_a writ_n 60._o her_o sun_n shall_v not_o be_v set_v nor_o her_o moon_n hide_v as_o will_v more_o full_o appear_v bereafter_o in_o it_o due_a place_n the_o interlocutour_n be_v the_o foresay_a michaea_n the_o jew_n ochinus_n who_o first_o in_o king_n edward_n the_o six_o his_o day_n do_v diseminate_a protestancy_n at_o least_o sever_z all_o point_n of_o protestancy_n here_o lâ—_n england_n doctor_n reynolds_n of_o oxford_n and_o neuserus_fw-la chief_a pastor_n of_o heidelberg_n in_o the_o palatinate_n why_o ochinus_n &_o neuserus_fw-la be_v bring_v in_o as_o speaker_n in_o this_o dialogue_n the_o argument_n prefix_v thereto_o will_v show_v i_o have_v presume_v to_o incorporate_v most_o of_o what_o can_v be_v urge_v for_o the_o visibility_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o doctor_n reynolds_n as_o a_o man_n who_o be_v best_o able_a in_o his_o day_n to_o support_v his_o own_o church_n from_o ruin_n and_o suitable_o herto_o the_o suppose_a place_n of_o this_o disputation_n be_v oxford_n i_o have_v in_o no_o sort_n wrong_v the_o doctor_n who_o i_o well_o know_v to_o have_v be_v a_o blaze_a comet_n in_o your_o euang_n elicall_a sphere_n &_o to_o who_o as_o be_v of_o good_a temperance_n in_o his_o write_n in_o respect_n of_o his_o brother_n doctor_n whitaker_n i_o be_o unwtl_v to_o ascrybe_n too_o little_a only_o i_o wish_v his_o favourite_n have_v not_o ascrybed_n to_o he_o too_o much_o if_o any_o of_o you_o shall_v muse_v why_o in_o these_o dialogue_n all_o the_o protestant_n be_v otherwise_o presume_v to_o be_v most_o learned_a do_v reply_n so_o spare_o either_o to_o cardinal_n bellarmyne_n or_o to_o michaeas_n their_o answer_n and_o argument_n as_o here_o you_o shall_v find_v they_o to_o do_v you_o be_v to_o conceive_v that_o it_o be_v agree_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o two_o first_o dialogue_n among_o all_o the_o interlocutour_n to_o stand_v indisputable_o to_o the_o freqrent_a confession_n of_o the_o learned_a protestant_n urge_v in_o behalf_n of_o any_o point_n controvert_v now_o both_o the_o cardinal_n and_o michaeâ—s_n for_o the_o most_o part_n do_v avoid_v the_o other_o interlocutours_n reason_n and_o instance_n by_o the_o contrary_a acknowledgement_n of_o diverse_a eminent_a protestant_n as_o also_o do_v produce_v their_o own_o argument_n in_o defence_n of_o their_o catholic_a article_n from_o the_o like_a acknowledgement_n of_o the_o learned_a protestant_n speak_v in_o those_o point_n against_o themselves_o and_o in_o behalf_n of_o the_o catholic_n which_o method_n be_v chief_o houlden_v throughout_o these_o dialogue_n how_o then_o can_v the_o protestant_n interlocutour_n continue_v any_o new_a reply_n against_o the_o caidinall_n or_o against_o michaeas_n but_o to_o reflect_v upon_o the_o subject_n of_o this_o second_o dialogue_n and_o here_o i_o do_v avouch_v that_o to_o maintain_v that_o protestancy_n be_v ever_o before_o the_o break_n out_o of_o luther_n though_o even_o than_o it_o be_v not_o in_o it_o perfection_n be_v no_o less_o absurd_a in_o reason_n then_o to_o maintain_v that_o the_o birth_n of_o any_o thing_n can_v precede_v it_o conception_n and_o the_o effect_n the_o cause_n true_a it_o be_v that_o in_o diverse_a former_a age_n there_o have_v be_v some_o secret_n and_o indeed_o blind_a moule_n who_o work_v under_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n have_v labour_v
and_o piety_n your_o former_a assertion_n in_o ascribe_v the_o protest_v of_o it_o faith_n to_o all_o that_o country_n can_v be_v iustify_v for_o though_o i_o grant_v it_o be_v on_o most_o side_n obse_v as_o i_o may_v say_v with_o protestancy_n yet_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o diverse_a principal_a part_n thereof_o be_v not_o protestant_n but_o catholic_a in_o religion_n as_o half_a of_o switzerland_n a_o part_n of_o the_o grison_n voltolyne_n the_o whole_a country_n of_o bavaria_n the_o territory_n of_o all_o the_o bishop_n electour_n the_o kingdom_n of_o bohemia_n beside_o many_o imperial_a city_n and_o state_n again_o as_o other_o part_n thereof_o do_v joint_o and_o particular_o disclaim_v from_o the_o roman_a religion_n so_o though_o they_o all_o do_v challenge_v to_o themselves_o the_o name_n of_o protestant_n yet_o do_v they_o manteine_v many_o irreconcilable_a difference_n of_o religion_n enen_fw-la of_o the_o great_a importance_n like_o several_a way_n and_o tract_n meet_v in_o one_o common_a place_n and_o then_o instant_o divide_v one_o from_o another_o this_o appear_v as_o i_o be_o inform_v most_o clear_a and_o evident_a from_o the_o authority_n of_o altera_fw-la hospinian_n a_o learned_a german_a protestant_n who_o have_v diligent_o set_v down_o the_o name_n of_o many_o score_n of_o book_n write_v in_o great_a acerbity_n of_o style_n by_o one_o gerâ—an_a protestant_a against_o another_o german_a protestant_n &_o according_a nereto_o it_o be_v that_o we_o find_v so_o many_o kind_n of_o sectary_n and_o heretic_n in_o germany_n as_o the_o caluinist_n the_o lutheran_n the_o anabaptist_n the_o antitrinitarian_n and_o some_o other_o though_o they_o all_o be_v link_v and_o tie_v together_o in_o the_o common_a and_o main_a knot_n of_o protestancy_n and_o thus_o far_o m._n doctor_n of_o this_o point_n where_o you_o see_v i_o have_v small_a reason_n to_o embrace_v the_o protestant_a religion_n before_o the_o catholic_a because_o that_o be_v profess_v throughout_o germany_n as_o you_o pretend_v this_o chief_o restrain_v to_o italy_n spain_n and_o france_n but_o let_v we_o return_v back_o to_o the_o general_a subject_n of_o this_o your_o disoutation_n with_o my_o lord_n cardinal_n i_o will_v entreat_v you_o m._n doctor_n to_o allege_v some_o strong_a argument_n for_o the_o change_n off_o yeh_a in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n then_o hitherto_o you_o have_v give_v which_o if_o you_o do_v not_o than_o what_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o weakness_n of_o your_o say_a argument_n at_o least_o in_o my_o apprehension_n and_o what_o in_o respect_n that_o i_o do_v not_o see_v the_o proof_n produce_v by_o my_o lord_n cardinal_n to_o be_v sufficient_o by_o you_o refute_v i_o must_v tell_v you_o aforehand_o i_o will_v embrace_v the_o catholic_a roman_a religion_n &_o disavow_v all_o protestancy_n card_n bllarm_n m._n doctor_n if_o you_o can_v support_v this_o your_o position_n of_o rome_n change_n with_o other_o more_o force_a reason_n i_o will_v entreat_v you_o now_o to_o insist_v further_o in_o they_o you_o see_v i_o be_o prepare_v to_o give_v my_o best_a answer_n to_o what_o you_o can_v object_v if_o you_o do_v not_o i_o must_v presume_v all_o your_o force_n be_v already_o spend_v they_o indeed_o be_v but_o weak_a &_o resemble_v that_o of_o s._n jude_n 1._o cloud_n without_o water_n carry_v about_o with_o wind_n micheas_n i_o pray_v you_o m._n doctor_n forbear_v not_o to_o grant_v to_o this_o my_o desire_n since_o otherwise_o i_o must_v rest_v assure_v that_o no_o more_o can_v be_v say_v on_o your_o part_n touch_v this_o subject_n card_n bellarm._n yield_v m._n doctor_n to_o this_o learned_a jew_n importunity_n you_o know_v he_o have_v undertake_v a_o journey_n of_o many_o hundred_o mile_n to_o this_o city_n only_o to_o be_v resolve_v in_o this_o one_o point_n therefore_o both_o in_o charity_n and_o for_o the_o preserve_n of_o your_o own_o honour_n and_o reputation_n you_o stand_v oblige_v to_o give_v all_o satisfaction_n unto_o he_o d._n whitaker_n tush_o you_o be_v both_o over_o upbraid_v with_o i_o and_o see_v i_o intend_v no_o further_o dispute_v with_o man_n of_o so_o irrefragable_a disposition_n i_o first_o for_o a_o close_a say_v to_o you_o micheas_n that_o where_o you_o intend_v to_o become_v a_o papist_n your_o change_n be_v this_o that_o you_o leave_v that_o which_o be_v ouce_v good_a though_o now_o bad_a to_o embrace_v that_o which_o be_v ever_o bad_a i_o mean_v you_o leave_v judaism_n to_o entertain_v papism_n and_o thus_o you_o become_v a_o new_a proselyte_n or_o rather_o neophyte_n in_o the_o school_n of_o superstition_n &_o idolatry_n now_o as_o for_o you_o cardinal_n who_o name_n be_v so_o celebrious_a and_o so_o much_o advance_v in_o the_o ear_n and_o mouth_n a_o fall_v man_n know_v you_o that_o touch_v the_o subject_n of_o this_o our_o discourse_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o that_o my_o argument_n reason_n and_o instance_n above_o allege_v do_v in_o the_o judgement_n of_o such_o as_o the_o lord_n have_v illuminate_v with_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o ghosple_n sufficient_o prove_v the_o great_a change_n make_v of_o faith_n and_o religion_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n since_o it_o first_o receive_v it_o faith_n in_o the_o apostle_n day_n and_o if_o the_o truth_n hereof_o be_v hide_v from_o any_o i_o may_v then_o say_v with_o the_o 4._o apostle_n it_o be_v hide_v from_o they_o that_o perish_v and_o be_v lose_v therefore_o my_o irrevocable_a conclusion_n be_v this_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v once_o the_o true_a church_n and_o in_o faith_n pure_a and_o incontaminate_a as_o before_o i_o acknowledge_v but_o at_o this_o present_a it_o be_v whit._n the_o whore_n of_o babylon_n a_o branch_n cut_v from_o the_o true_a vine_n adenne_n of_o thief_n the_o large_a way_n lead_v to_o destruction_n the_o kingdom_n of_o hell_n the_o body_n of_o antichrist_n a_o heap_n or_o mass_n of_o error_n a_o great_a mother_n of_o whore_v the_o church_n of_o the_o wicked_a out_o of_o the_o which_o it_o behoucth_v every_o christian_n to_o depart_v and_o which_o christ_n in_o the_o end_n will_v miserable_o destroy_v &_o inflict_v due_a punishment_n for_o all_o it_o impiety_n and_o with_o this_o as_o unwilling_a to_o have_v further_a intercourse_n or_o dispute_v with_o any_o that_o subject_n themselves_o to_o this_o profane_a church_n i_o end_v and_o bid_v you_o both_o farewell_n card_n bellarm._n m._n doctor_n i_o much_o grieve_v to_o see_v you_o thus_o transport_v with_o passion_n and_o to_o inveigh_v with_o such_o acerbity_n of_o word_n against_o christ_n intemerate_v spouse_n but_o i_o the_o more_o easy_o pardon_v you_o since_o it_o be_v hard_o upon_o the_o sodame_n to_o cast_v of_o a_o habit_n which_o have_v be_v often_o engrain_v in_o diverse_a tincture_n of_o many_o operation_n so_o spleenful_a a_o â—â—slike_n you_o have_v against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o indeed_o it_o seem_v you_o labour_n with_o the_o disease_n of_o those_o who_o spittle_n be_v envenom_a make_v they_o to_o think_v that_o every_o thing_n they_o take_v in_o their_o mouth_n do_v taste_v of_o venom_n but_o since_o it_o be_v your_o mind_n to_o break_v off_o so_o sudden_o with_o we_o i_o recommend_v you_o to_o the_o tuition_n of_o he_o who_o in_o a_o instant_n be_v able_a to_o turn_v the_o most_o stony_a hart_n into_o cor_n 3._o docile_a and_o cor_fw-la 34._o emolitum_fw-la and_o my_o prayer_n shall_v be_v that_o before_o the_o time_n of_o your_o death_n you_o may_v have_v the_o grace_n to_o implant_v yourself_o as_o a_o branch_n of_o that_o church_n the_o profession_n of_o who_o faith_n may_v be_v available_a to_o the_o save_n of_o your_o soul_n micheas_n i_o be_o behold_v unto_o you_o m._n doctor_n for_o your_o pain_n and_o labour_v take_v in_o this_o disputation_n howbeit_o i_o must_v confess_v i_o do_v expect_v to_o have_v hear_v more_o say_v for_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n her_o change_n in_o religion_n then_o as_o yet_o be_v deliver_v where_o i_o see_v that_o your_o fair_a promise_a mountain_n in_o the_o beginning_n do_v but_o turn_v to_o snow_n and_o after_o resolve_v into_o water_n and_o that_o by_o your_o final_a appeal_n to_o the_o write_a word_n alone_o you_o endeavour_v to_o set_v the_o best_a face_n upon_o your_o overthrow_n in_o this_o your_o dispute_n bear_v yourself_o herein_o like_a to_o soldier_n who_o be_v force_v to_o yield_v up_o their_o hold_n and_o yet_o covet_v to_o depart_v with_o such_o ceremony_n as_o be_v not_o competent_a to_o such_o as_o yield_v nevertheless_o i_o commend_v you_o to_o the_o protection_n of_o the_o god_n of_o israel_n and_o will_v pray_v that_o you_o may_v after_o this_o life_n enjoy_v the_o blessing_n which_o be_v already_o grant_v to_o abraham_n isaâ—ck_n jacob_n and_o their_o seed_n d._n whitaker_n well_o well_o once_o more_o i_o bid_v you_o both_o farewell_n micheas_n my_o
word_n and_o use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o note_n and_o thus_o they_o reject_v all_o former_a catholic_a note_n do_v reduce_v as_o above_o be_v say_v the_o determine_v of_o which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n to_o the_o inappealable_a and_o last_o resort_v of_o their_o own_o private_a opinion_n pass_v upon_o the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o the_o due_a administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n but_o now_o to_o come_v to_o the_o question_n itself_o touch_v these_o protestant_a note_n where_o the_o â—eader_n for_o the_o more_o clear_a set_v down_o of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n and_o his_o own_o better_a instruction_n be_v to_o conceive_v first_o that_o these_o protestant_a note_n suppose_v they_o to_o be_v note_n of_o the_o church_n prove_v only_o the_o place_n where_o the_o church_n be_v but_o not_o which_o be_v the_o church_n which_o here_o be_v only_o the_o question_n second_o the_o reader_n be_v to_o call_v to_o mind_n that_o whereas_o a_o note_n may_v be_v of_o two_o sort_n the_o one_o in_o respect_n of_o nature_n the_o other_o in_o respect_n of_o we_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o learned_a protestant_n themselves_o thus_o teach_v nottus_fw-la est_fw-la duplex_fw-la 〈◊〉_d vnum_fw-la naturae_fw-la ulterum_fw-la nobis_fw-la that_o here_o the_o question_n be_v only_o of_o such_o note_n as_o be_v note_n in_o respect_n of_o we_o for_o our_o better_a inform_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n since_o here_o we_o be_v instruct_v à _fw-la postartori_fw-la and_o according_a to_o the_o measure_n of_o that_o knowledge_n which_o god_n vouchsafe_v to_o afford_v to_o us._n and_o not_o as_o they_o be_v note_n in_o respect_n of_o nature_n which_o note_n in_o regard_n of_o nature_n be_v ever_o 〈…〉_z sicall_a secret_n and_o often_o essential_a to_o the_o thing_n of_o which_o they_o be_v note_n now_o in_o reference_n hereto_o we_o freeâ—y_v grant_v that_o the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n may_v be_v term_v note_n of_o the_o church_n but_o not_o note_n to_o we_o which_o be_v the_o only_a point_n now_o isluable_a for_o though_o they_o be_v note_n in_o nature_n of_o the_o true_a church_n yet_o what_o anayl_v it_o we_o since_o they_o be_v not_o note_n to_o we_o for_o our_o direction_n to_o find_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n and_o here_o we_o be_v to_o remember_v that_o the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o kind_n of_o note_n or_o what_o kind_n of_o knowledge_n be_v better_a for_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o scire_fw-la per_fw-la causas_fw-la be_v most_o perfect_a and_o noble_a but_o the_o question_n be_v what_o kind_n of_o knowledge_n god_n be_v content_a to_o impart_v to_o we_o in_o this_o life_n for_o the_o attain_v of_o the_o mysterye_n of_o our_o fâ—â—th_n and_o particular_o for_o the_o know_v &_o search_v out_o which_o be_v his_o church_n now_o that_o the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o use_v of_o the_o sacrament_n can_v be_v erect_v as_o note_n of_o christ_n church_n i_o ever_o mean_a in_o respect_n of_o we_o be_v several_a way_n demonstrate_v and_o first_o this_o i_o prove_v from_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o note_n which_o be_v ever_o to_o be_v of_o a_o great_a perspicuity_n and_o clearness_n and_o better_o know_v to_o we_o than_o the_o thing_n be_v of_o which_o it_o be_v a_o note_n since_o otherwise_o it_o shall_v follow_v a_o inference_n both_o in_o reason_n and_o art_n most_o absurd_a that_o that_o which_o be_v unknown_a shall_v be_v prove_v by_o a_o other_o thing_n which_o be_v less_o know_v anâ—_n more_o obscure_a that_o the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v but_o a_o necessary_a 〈◊〉_d to_o the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o scripture_n be_v more_o obscure_a and_o unknown_a to_o we_o then_o be_v the_o church_n i_o prove_v first_o from_o the_o scripture_n which_o teach_v that_o true_a say_v which_o be_v the_o effect_n of_o true_a preach_v the_o word_n proceed_v only_o from_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o that_o how_o 10_o shall_v they_o believe_v who_o they_o have_v not_o hear_v and_o ho_o 〈…〉_z she_o aâ—_n they_o hear_v without_o a_o preacher_n thus_o god_n sacred_a word_n we_o see_v do_v presuppose_v that_o the_o minister_n who_o be_v the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o it_o follow_v hereby_o that_o the_o church_n must_v be_v afore_o know_v do_v reveal_v unto_o we_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o calvin_n thus_o well_o say_v of_o this_o point_n deus_fw-la 5._o potest_fw-la memo_fw-la 〈…〉_z sue_v perficere_fw-la nolit_fw-la tamen_fw-la eos_fw-la adolâ—scere_fw-la in_o 〈…〉_z ilem_fw-la â—tatem_fw-la nisi_fw-la educatione_n ecclesiae_fw-la god_n can_v perfect_v and_o instruct_v we_o in_o a_o moment_n meaning_n touch_v faith_n yet_o he_o will_v not_o bring_v we_o to_o any_o manlike_a as_o it_o be_v and_o perfect_a strength_n therein_o but_o by_o the_o help_n and_o labour_n of_o the_o church_n and_o hence_o it_o be_v that_o in_o all_o controversye_n touch_v faith_n we_o be_v always_o for_o the_o determine_n of_o they_o botâ—_n in_o the_o judgment_n of_o the_o ancient_a 4._o father_n and_o learned_a protestant_n 1588._o refer_v to_o the_o church_n among_o who_o i_o can_v here_o pretermit_v the_o sentence_n of_o d._n field_n thus_o write_v seeing_n dedicatory_a tâ—e_v controversy_n in_o our_o time_n be_v grow_v in_o number_n so_o many_o and_o in_o nature_n so_o intricate_a etc._n etc._n what_o remain_v for_o meâ—_n desirous_a of_o satisfaction_n in_o thing_n of_o such_o consequence_n but_o deligeâ—tly_o to_o search_v out_o which_o among_o all_o the_o societye_n of_o man_n in_o the_o world_n be_v that_o bless_a company_n of_o holy_a one_o that_o house-hould_a of_o faith_n that_o spouse_n of_o christ_n and_o church_n of_o the_o live_a god_n which_o be_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n that_o so_o they_o m_z 〈…〉_z follow_v her_o direction_n and_o reâ—i_fw-la in_o her_o 〈◊〉_d thus_o we_o be_v instruct_v by_o this_o learned_a protestant_n to_o know_v which_o be_v the_o true_a faith_n in_o all_o controversye_n and_o sincere_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o word_n from_o the_o church_n and_o not_o to_o know_v which_o be_v the_o church_n from_o the_o sincere_a preach_n of_o the_o word_n second_o that_o the_o true_a pray_fw-mi 〈…〉_z of_o the_o word_n and_o the_o use_n of_o the_o sacrement_n â—re_n more_o ob_n 〈…〉_z and_o difficult_a to_o we_o to_o be_v know_v then_o to_o know_v 〈◊〉_d be_v the_o true_a church_n appear_v from_o the_o voluntary_a acknowledgement_n of_o our_o most_o judicious_a adversary_n for_o great_a 〈◊〉_d heareiâ—_n i_o will_v insist_v only_o in_o oâ—e_n or_o two_o and_o to_o omit_v the_o answerable_a judgement_n hearto_fw-la of_o d._n fyeld_v potential_o include_v in_o his_o 〈…〉_z meet_v word_n we_o do_v find_v justus_n molitor_n a_o learned_a protestant_n and_o adversary_n in_o his_o 〈…〉_z g_n to_o cardinal_n beâ—lâ—rmyâ—e_n thus_o to_o confess_v nobis_fw-la â—34_n quo_fw-la ad_fw-la iud_fw-la 〈…〉_z s_o â—o_o fâ—sâ—_n alâ—_n qua_fw-la notitià _fw-la prius_fw-la vera_fw-la eccles_n 〈…〉_z quam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d praedicatio_fw-la 〈…〉_z oâ—escit_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o true_a church_n by_o a_o cert_n 〈…〉_z co_fw-la 〈…〉_z 〈◊〉_d so_o 〈…〉_z know_n to_o we_o according_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o reâ—son_n than_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o true_a word_n be_v know_v with_o who_o c_o 〈…〉_z pire_v in_o express_a word_n the_o foresay_a mention_v 〈…〉_z testart_n lubbertus_n thus_o write_v sacramenta_fw-la 226._o in_o five_o 〈…〉_z nt_v nobis_fw-la m_o 〈…〉_z quam_fw-la â—psa_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la the_o true_a use_n of_o the_o 〈…〉_z ment_n iâ—_n less_o know_v â—o_o we_o 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n and_o 〈◊〉_d give_v his_o â—eason_n hereof_o in_o these_o word_n nobis_fw-la notioâ—a_fw-es su_fw-es 〈…〉_z externa_fw-la signaâ—per_fw-la quae_fw-la remâ—_n quâ—â—doque_fw-la cogn_n 〈…〉_z the_o external_a sign_n be_v more_o man_n 〈…〉_z sy_n 〈◊〉_d uâ—_n by_o which_o we_o know_v a_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d heareby_o imply_v that_o the_o true_a administration_n of_o the_o word_n &_o sacrament_n be_v internal_a and_o inward_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o true_a external_a note_n of_o the_o church_n for_o although_o eich_n preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o use_n of_o sacrament_n be_v external_a and_o subâ—ect_a to_o the_o outward_a sense_n yet_o which_o be_v the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o true_a administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n for_o as_o they_o be_v pure_o preach_v and_o sincere_o administer_v so_o and_o no_o otherwise_o be_v they_o appoint_v by_o the_o protestant_n for_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o church_n be_v internal_a since_o truth_n in_o doctrine_n be_v internal_a and_o invisible_a we_o may_v ad_fw-la hearto_fw-la that_o in_o the_o note_n of_o true_a preach_v the_o word_n the_o belive_v &_o receive_v it_o so_o preach_v &_o this_o with_o perseverance_n be_v include_v
show_v their_o love_n to_o the_o truth_n by_o their_o hate_n to_o this_o pillar_n and_o foundation_n of_o truth_n beside_o this_o deportment_n disculp_v great_a humility_n a_o character_n even_o of_o christ_n himself_o dicite_fw-la 12._o a_o i_o quia_fw-la humilis_fw-la sum_fw-la cord_n so_o true_a it_o be_v that_o a_o humble_a man_n be_v like_a to_o a_o lowly_a valley_n sweet_o seat_v thus_o do_v micheas_n no_o doubt_n you_o will_v embrace_v our_o catholic_a faith_n of_o which_o point_n i_o be_o in_o great_a hope_n in_o that_o it_o be_v observe_v that_o whereas_o many_o etc._n protestant_n have_v become_v jew_n yet_o not_o any_o jew_n a_o protestant_n d._n whitaker_n the_o cardinal_n here_o have_v give_v you_o to_o large_a a_o scope_n since_o most_o of_o these_o be_v but_o humane_a and_o moral_a inducement_n which_o stand_v subject_a to_o error_n and_o falsehood_n and_o you_o be_v to_o call_v to_o mind_n that_o to_o run_v well_o out_o of_o the_o right_a way_n be_v no_o better_o then_o to_o stand_v still_o 8._o pálin_n dromêsan_n '_o è_fw-it dramêin_fw-it cacôs_fw-la therefore_o let_v your_o groundwork_n be_v next_o under_o christ_n only_o the_o holy_a scripture_n these_o be_v the_o only_a judge_n of_o all_o controversy_n these_o be_v of_o that_o worth_n as_o that_o they_o be_v profitable_a as_o the_o apostle_n 3._o speak_v to_o doctrine_n to_o reprove_v to_o correction_n to_o instruction_n which_o be_v in_o righteousness_n that_o the_o man_n of_o god_n may_v be_v perfect_a instruct_v in_o all_o good_a work_n of_o that_o clearness_n as_o that_o just_o they_o may_v be_v call_v lucerna_fw-la 18._o pedibus_fw-la meis_fw-la of_o that_o fullness_n and_o amplitude_n as_o we_o be_v threaten_v under_o pain_n of_o have_v our_o name_n blot_v ult._n out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o life_n if_o we_o either_o add_v or_o detract_v from_o thence_o final_o of_o that_o easiness_n and_o facility_n as_o that_o for_o pick_v out_o the_o true_a sense_n we_o be_v to_o receive_v it_o by_o the_o benefit_n of_o our_o own_o spirit_n instruct_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 3._o spiritus_fw-la ubi_fw-la vult_fw-la spirat_fw-la micheus_n you_o both_o speak_v learned_o and_o first_o touch_v your_o direction_n my_o l._n card._n i_o hold_v they_o most_o grave_a &_o weighty_a yet_o see_v i_o have_v spend_v all_o my_o time_n chief_o in_o study_v the_o law_n and_o the_o prophet_n be_v heretofore_o a_o rabnie_n in_o our_o jewish_a synagogue_n and_o see_v that_o multiplity_n of_o read_v which_o your_o method_n exact_v to_o wit_n of_o the_o ancient_n father_n the_o general_n counsel_n ecclesiastical_a history_n be_v to_o great_a a_o burden_n to_o be_v impose_v now_o upon_o the_o shoulder_n of_o my_o old_a age_n my_o self_n not_o likely_a to_o live_v so_o many_o year_n as_o will_v be_v answerable_a to_o so_o infinite_a a_o labour_n therefore_o i_o must_v bethink_v myself_o of_o some_o other_o more_o short_a and_o abreviate_v course_n for_o the_o perfect_a settle_n of_o my_o judgement_n in_o the_o christian_a religion_n touch_v your_o grave_a advice_n m._n doctor_n of_o rely_v only_o upon_o the_o written_a word_n grant_v that_o the_o scripture_n alone_o be_v of_o itself_o sufficient_a to_o define_v and_o determine_v all_o controversy_n in_o religion_n yet_o i_o be_o so_o conscious_a of_o my_o own_o weakness_n herein_o as_o that_o consider_v the_o several_a sense_n usual_o give_v upon_o one_o and_o the_o same_o text_n i_o shall_v ever_o rest_v doubtful_a once_o abandon_v the_o sense_n give_v by_o the_o joint_a consent_n of_o all_o ancient_a doctor_n of_o what_o construction_n to_o make_v choice_n and_o the_o rather_o see_v the_o scripture_n witness_v of_o itself_o that_o no_o prophecy_n 2._o of_o the_o scripture_n be_v make_v by_o private_a interpretation_n and_o sure_o i_o be_o that_o if_o we_o jewish_a rabbin_n shall_v take_v liberty_n to_o interpret_v the_o old_a testament_n according_a to_o every_o particular_a conceit_n of_o each_o of_o we_o we_o long_o since_o shall_v have_v beget_v many_o dissension_n in_o faith_n among_o us._n i_o may_v add_v hereto_o that_o i_o be_o the_o more_o easy_o thus_o persuade_v even_o by_o both_o your_o speech_n at_o this_o present_a see_v both_o of_o you_o do_v strengthen_v and_o fortify_v your_o different_a judgment_n touch_v the_o final_a determine_n of_o controversy_n even_o from_o the_o scripture_n itself_o but_o what_o do_v the_o scripture_n speak_v different_a or_o rather_o contrary_a thing_n noe._n the_o scripture_n be_v like_a to_o the_o author_n of_o scripture_n ever_o the_o same_o and_o unchangeable_a ego_fw-la 3_o sum_fw-la dominus_fw-la et_fw-la non_fw-la mutor_fw-la and_o indeed_o to_o speak_v plain_o when_o you_o urge_v those_o word_n spiritus_fw-la ubi_fw-la vult_fw-la spirat_fw-la whereby_o you_o intimate_v the_o gift_n of_o the_o private_a spirit_n interpret_n the_o scripture_n i_o ever_o dislike_v this_o principle_n even_o before_o i_o believe_v in_o christ_n as_o ready_a to_o create_v in_o different_o any_o one_o religion_n as_o well_o as_o a_o other_o so_o that_o that_o man_n who_o for_o his_o faith_n and_o religion_n ground_n himself_o upon_o this_o reveal_n spirit_n and_o consequent_o be_v ready_a to_o stamp_v any_o religion_n which_o himself_o best_o please_v be_v like_o in_o my_o judgement_n to_o on_o that_o shall_v be_v immediate_o make_v rather_o of_o the_o first_o matter_n then_o of_o the_o element_n well_o temper_v together_o since_o he_o be_v in_o possibility_n anything_o but_o to_o proceed_v see_v the_o direction_n of_o neither_o of_o you_o in_o regard_n of_o some_o difficult_a circumstance_n accompany_v they_o can_v at_o this_o present_a sort_n unto_o my_o case_n i_o must_v make_v election_n of_o some_o other_o method_n for_o the_o sentling_n of_o my_o fluctuate_a conscience_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o under_o both_o your_o favour_n it_o shall_v be_v this_o whereas_o by_o serious_o peruse_v the_o new_a testament_n as_o you_o christian_n call_v it_o i_o be_o become_v with_o infinite_a thanks_o to_o the_o lord_n of_o host_n a_o christian_a though_o as_o yet_o but_o a_o christian_a imperfect_a and_o scarce_o initiate_v so_o out_o of_o the_o same_o divine_a record_n i_o be_o instruct_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o those_o primative_a time_n receive_v the_o true_a christian_a faith_n incontaminate_a and_o free_a from_o all_o error_n now_o if_o those_o sacred_a write_n be_v of_o sufficient_a force_n with_o i_o for_o my_o relinquish_a of_o my_o ancient_a jewish_a faith_n then_o ought_v they_o as_o secure_o to_o warrant_v my_o judgement_n that_o the_o true_a faith_n of_o christ_n be_v plant_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n in_o rome_n this_o last_o point_n be_v confirm_v to_o i_o by_o your_o great_a apostle_n paul_n who_o in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o roman_n much_o celebrate_v the_o faith_n of_o rome_n say_v 1._o to_o all_o that_o be_v at_o rome_n the_o belove_a of_o god_n call_v to_o be_v saint_n grace_n to_o you_o and_o again_o i_o thank_v ibid._n my_o god_n for_o you_o etc._n etc._n because_o your_o faith_n be_v renown_v throughout_o the_o whole_a world_n and_o yet_o more_o your_o 16._o obdience_n be_v publish_v in_o every_o place_n final_o the_o apostle_n be_v so_o full_a in_o advance_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o roman_n as_o that_o he_o particular_o even_o in_o word_n ascrib_n one_o and_o the_o same_o faith_n to_o himself_o and_o they_o say_v that_o 1._o which_o be_v common_a to_o we_o both_o your_o faith_n and_o i_o from_o all_o which_o text_n it_o be_v evict_v that_o rome_n in_o those_o first_o time_n enjoy_v a_o true_a and_o perfect_a faith_n now_o here_o it_o come_v to_o be_v examine_v whether_o rome_n since_o her_o first_o embrace_v of_o it_o have_v change_v her_o faith_n or_o othirwise_o she_o retain_v without_o any_o alteration_n the_o same_o doctrine_n which_o first_o the_o apostle_n do_v plant_v in_o she_o this_o point_n most_o excellent_a man_n deserus_a a_o exact_a discuss_n and_o may_v well_o seem_v to_o be_v worthy_a your_o serious_a disput_n my_o own_o want_n in_o your_o ecclesiastical_a history_n from_o whence_o chief_o this_o question_n be_v to_o receive_v it_o trial_n do_v plead_v for_o my_o ignorance_n herein_o and_o make_v my_o humble_a request_n for_o the_o better_a establesh_n of_o my_o yet_o unsettle_a judgement_n to_o you_o both_o to_o enter_v into_o a_o grave_a skirmish_n and_o fight_v of_o disputation_n herein_o both_o of_o you_o be_v learn_v and_o therefore_o by_o urge_v what_o can_v be_v say_v on_o either_o side_n able_a to_o accomplish_v this_o my_o desire_n both_o of_o you_o be_v charitable_a as_o i_o must_v suppose_v and_o therefore_o no_o doubt_n will_v for_o my_o confirmation_n in_o the_o christian_a faith_n to_o undertake_v this_o my_o wish_a task_n for_o charity_n as_o ever_o desirous_a to_o do_v good_a omne_fw-la 13._o sperat_fw-la sustinet_fw-la &_o a_o charitable_a man_n partake_v of_o the_o
nature_n of_o a_o glass_n which_o be_v as_o ready_a to_o give_v as_o to_o receive_v on_o his_o favour_n my_o foundation_n be_v here_o the_o word_n of_o your_o own_o apostle_n i_o humble_o entreat_v that_o your_o learned_a discourse_n will_v raise_v the_o wale_n and_o i_o shall_v attend_v your_o speech_n with_o a_o greedy_a and_o listen_a ear_n then_o in_o the_o close_a of_o all_o i_o may_v be_v better_o assure_v whether_o for_o my_o soul_n eternal_a felicity_n i_o shall_v subject_v myself_o as_o a_o member_n to_o the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n or_o otherwise_o consociate_v myself_o with_o the_o protestant_n the_o presume_a reformer_n of_o the_o say_a church_n card_n bellarm._n micheas_n your_o judgement_n have_v make_v choice_n of_o a_o most_o important_a subject_n and_o christian_a religion_n teach_v we_o to_o be_v benificiall_a to_o all_o maximè_fw-la 6._o domesticis_fw-la fidei_fw-la within_o which_o number_n i_o hope_v short_o i_o may_v place_v you_o and_o therefore_o my_o pain_n according_a to_o my_o small_a ability_n shall_v not_o be_v want_v to_o accomplish_v your_o request_n and_o i_o much_o commend_v your_o desire_n herein_o for_o who_o neglect_v his_o own_o soul_n be_v not_o present_a to_o himself_o d._n whitaker_n the_o groundwork_n micheas_n of_o this_o your_o desire_a disputation_n i_o acknowledge_v most_o firm_a and_o i_o shall_v be_v ready_a to_o afford_v my_o best_a furtherance_n thereto_o though_o in_o regard_n of_o my_o own_o small_a mite_n of_o learning_n i_o shall_v be_v like_a perhaps_o to_o the_o widow_n in_o the_o chospel_n who_o give_v less_o than_o any_o other_o and_o yet_o be_v more_o charitable_a than_o any_o other_o but_o touch_v the_o basis_n and_o foundation_n of_o this_o future_a discourse_n we_o do_v 7_o grant_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v holy_a when_o paul_n give_v it_o those_o foresay_a praise_n as_o also_o when_o he_o further_o say_v without_o intermission_n i_o make_v mention_n of_o you_o always_o in_o my_o prayer_n when_o also_o he_o supra_fw-la say_v he_o will_v 15._o come_v to_o the_o roman_n in_o abundance_n of_o the_o blessing_n of_o christ_n and_o when_o in_o freedom_n he_o do_v preach_v to_o they_o the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n yea_o which_o be_v more_o we_o 7._o free_o confess_v that_o the_o cuhrch_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o famous_a church_n of_o christ_n when_o clemence_n do_v sit_v in_o that_o seat_n and_o when_o the_o profane_a roman_a caesar_n do_v put_v to_o death_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n but_o since_o those_o time_n that_o most_o remarkable_a change_n of_o faith_n have_v violent_o invade_v and_o pofess_z that_o church_n i_o will_v undertake_v to_o prove_v neither_o will_v i_o draw_v back_o herein_o but_o shall_v be_v prepare_v to_o manifest_a to_o you_o how_o since_o the_o apostle_n time_n the_o roman_a epicurus_n wolf_n have_v invade_v the_o church_n and_o cease_v not_o to_o devour_v the_o flock_n for_o the_o badge_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v superstition_n infidelity_n antichrist_n and_o epicurism_n card_n bellarm._n how_o now_o m._n doctor_n such_o passion_n in_o the_o beginning_n what_o philippic_n and_o invective_n declamation_n be_v these_o the_o accustom_a language_n of_o most_o of_o our_o new_a illuminate_v brethren_n not_o sort_v to_o your_o presume_a gravity_n therefore_o either_o forbear_v the_o like_a hereafter_o or_o let_v we_o forbear_v to_o enter_v into_o any_o dispute_n for_o i_o do_v not_o love_v to_o converse_v with_o those_o man_n who_o tongue_n be_v use_v to_o speak_v nothing_o but_o satyr_n d._n whitaker_n my_o lord_n my_o fervour_n to_o the_o gospel_n have_v thus_o transport_v i_o the_o 2._o zeal_n of_o thy_o house_n have_v eat_v i_o up_o but_o pardon_v for_o ever_o this_o my_o holy_a impatience_n and_o i_o will_v promise_v you_o to_o proceed_v hereafter_o in_o all_o serenity_n and_o mildness_n and_o will_v prove_v the_o change_n of_o religion_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n not_o by_o convitiate_a it_o with_o intemperate_a language_n but_o with_o weight_n of_o argument_n card_n bellarm._n you_o say_v well_o and_o therefore_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n the_o son_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n let_v we_o begin_v and_o here_o first_o m._n doctor_n you_o be_v to_o remember_v that_o see_v you_o affirm_v that_o religion_n be_v change_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n since_o that_o church_n be_v first_o as_o it_o be_v cultivate_v &_o till_v therewith_o by_o the_o labour_n of_o the_o apostle_n you_o be_v thereby_o oblige_v to_o prove_v this_o your_o assertion_n and_o i_o as_o hold_v the_o negative_a be_o bind_v only_o to_o answer_v and_o to_o repel_v your_o argument_n nevertheless_o i_o will_v supererogate_v with_o you_o in_o method_n herein_o and_o will_v undertake_v to_o prove_v positue_o that_o rome_n since_o it_o first_o being_n christian_n do_v never_o speak_v of_o so_o much_o as_o any_o on_o material_a and_o dogmatic_a article_n which_o be_v the_o point_n in_o question_n of_o her_o primative_a faith_n now_o for_o the_o great_a convince_v of_o your_o contrary_a position_n i_o mean_v to_o strengthen_v and_o fortify_v the_o truth_n herein_o even_o from_o the_o testimony_n of_o your_o own_o learned_a man_n and_o thus_o the_o protestant_n penn_n shall_v deadly_o wound_v the_o protestant_n faith_n therefore_o tell_v i_o m._n doctor_n if_o you_o will_v quiet_o subscribe_v in_o this_o time_n of_o disputation_n to_o the_o ingenious_a and_o plain_a confession_n of_o your_o own_o learned_a and_o judicious_a brethren_n d._n whitaker_n most_o willing_o for_o posse_fw-la the_o argument_n must_v needs_o be_v strong_a and_o efficatious_a which_o be_v take_v from_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o adversary_n and_o i_o do_v free_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o truth_n be_v able_a to_o extorte_n testimony_n even_o from_o it_o enemy_n and_o this_o point_n be_v further_o warrant_v with_o all_o force_n of_o reason_n for_o why_o shall_v learned_a man_n confess_v against_o themselves_o and_o in_o behalf_n of_o their_o adversary_n be_v it_o not_o that_o the_o rack_n of_o a_o undeniable_a truth_n force_v they_o theirto_o card_n bellarm._n it_o be_v most_o true_a and_o the_o matter_n so_o stand_v indeed_o and_o your_o speech_n well_o sort_v to_o that_o sentence_n of_o s._n augustine_n to_o wit_n that_o 24._o truth_n be_v more_o forcible_a to_o wring_v out_o confession_n than_o any_o rack_n or_o torment_n well_o then_o to_o proceed_v to_o the_o matter_n and_o because_o thing_n contract_v in_o method_n enter_v more_o easy_o after_o a_o piramic_a all_o manner_n as_o i_o may_v say_v into_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o understanding_n therefore_o for_o the_o more_o facilitate_v of_o this_o point_n here_o handle_v you_o be_v to_o coceive_v m._n doctor_n that_o in_o any_o notable_a change_n of_o religion_n these_o thing_n follow_v can_v be_v demonstrate_v and_o point_v out_o secunda_fw-la first_o the_o author_n of_o such_o a_o change_n second_o the_o new_a opinion_n or_o doctrine_n three_o the_o time_n in_o which_o this_o new_a doctrine_n be_v first_o broah_v or_o preach_v four_o the_o place_n in_o which_o it_o be_v teach_v five_o and_o last_o the_o person_n who_o do_v oppugn_v and_o resist_v it_o at_o the_o first_o all_o which_o be_v find_v even_o in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n which_o nevertheless_o be_v no_o new_a church_n but_o only_o a_o certain_a mutation_n or_o change_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o the_o prediction_n of_o the_o prophet_n for_o first_o we_o know_v the_o author_n thereof_o be_v christ_n the_o new_a article_n of_o belief_n be_v principal_o the_o article_n of_o the_o trinity_n and_o incarnation_n the_o time_n when_o this_o doctrine_n be_v first_o preach_v be_v in_o the_o fifteen_o year_n of_o tiberius_n caesar_n the_o place_n judëa_n final_o the_o oppugner_n of_o it_o be_v the_o scribe_n and_o pharisee_n now_o whereas_o we_o be_v able_a to_o demonstrate_v all_o these_o point_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o every_o particular_a sect_n or_o heresy_n our_o adversary_n notwithstanding_o can_v set_v down_o any_o one_o of_o these_o circumstance_n concern_v our_o church_n or_o faith_n ever_o since_o the_o apostle_n time_n but_o because_o of_o all_o these_o circumstance_n the_o time_n of_o this_o suppose_a change_n be_v chief_o to_o be_v weigh_v i_o will_v begin_v therewith_o remit_v diverse_a of_o the_o other_o circumstance_n to_o be_v hereafter_o discuss_v by_o we_o and_o leving_fw-mi the_o rest_n for_o great_a brevity_n to_o some_o other_o fit_v opportunity_n and_o as_o touch_v the_o circumstance_n of_o time_n i_o will_v first_o discourse_v thereof_o by_o mean_n of_o a_o distribution_n of_o three_o distinct_a time_n since_o rome_n first_o receive_v the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n first_o then_o we_o will_v take_v into_o our_o consideration_n how_o long_o it_o be_v grant_v by_o your_o protestant_n that_o rome_n do_v persevere_v without_o any_o alteration_n in_o her_o premative_a
of_o you_o the_o second_o time_n for_o all_o the_o protestant_n do_v not_o precise_o consent_v herein_o how_o long_o do_v you_o think_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v continue_v in_o her_o verginall_a state_n and_o purity_n without_o any_o stain_n in_o she_o faith_n d._n whitaker_n i_o think_v 35._o that_o during_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n the_o church_n be_v pure_a flourish_v and_o inviolable_o teach_v and_o defend_v the_o faith_n deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n during_o all_o which_o age_n the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o respect_n of_o truth_n in_o faith_n and_o religion_n be_v as_o i_o may_v say_v in_o the_o full_a assent_n of_o the_o wheel_n and_o although_o to_o speak_v by_o resemblance_n there_o be_v find_v even_o many_o irregularity_n in_o the_o regular_a motion_n of_o the_o heaven_n yet_o i_o be_o full_o persuade_v that_o for_o the_o space_n of_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n no_o annomalous_a exorbitancy_n of_o error_n or_o superstition_n do_v accompany_v the_o heavenly_a preach_n of_o the_o ghosple_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n card_n bellarm._n m._n doctor_n indeed_o part_n of_o what_o you_o here_o say_v be_v your_o own_o word_n in_o your_o book_n against_o d._n sanders_n and_o you_o deal_v more_o liberal_o herein_o then_o diverse_a of_o your_o breehren_n by_o afford_v a_o hundred_o and_o fifty_o year_n more_o to_o the_o true_a church_n than_o most_o of_o they_o will_v allow_v now_o you_o grant_v the_o purity_n of_o faith_n to_o continue_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o the_o space_n of_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n do_v withal_o implicit_o and_o inferential_o grant_v that_o no_o change_n of_o faith_n be_v make_v in_o that_o church_n within_o the_o compass_n of_o the_o afore_o mention_v 160._o year_n see_v the_o say_v 160._o year_n be_v include_v within_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n as_o be_v part_n of_o they_o but_o to_o proceed_v further_o you_o be_v here_o m._n doctor_n to_o call_v to_o mind_n what_o yourself_o at_o other_o time_n &_o no_o doubt_n at_o unaware_o have_v write_v i_o do_v find_v to_o instance_n only_o in_o some_o two_o or_o three_o point_n that_o you_o affirm_v that_o victor_n 48._o who_o live_v anno_o 160._o after_o christ_n be_v the_o first_o that_o exercise_v iurisdicton_n upon_o foreign_a church_n that_o not_o cyprian_n 5._o only_o who_o live_v anno_fw-la 240._o to_o use_v your_o own_o word_n but_o almost_o all_o the_o most_o holy_a father_n of_o that_o time_n be_v in_o error_n touch_v the_o doctrine_n of_o good_a work_n as_o think_v so_o to_o pay_v the_o pain_n due_a to_o sin_n &_o to_o satisfy_v god_n justice_n final_o that_o 37._o leo_n who_o be_v pope_n anno_fw-la 440._o to_o speak_v in_o your_o own_o dialect_n be_v a_o great_a architect_n of_o the_o antichristian_a kingdom_n be_v not_o all_o these_o your_o assertion_n m._n doctor_n d._n whittaker_n i_o can_v but_o acknowledge_v they_o for_o i_o since_o they_o be_v extant_a to_o be_v read_v in_o my_o own_o book_n &_o loathe_v i_o be_o to_o be_v so_o unnatural_a as_o to_o disavow_v or_o abandon_v any_o issue_n beget_v on_o my_o own_o brain_n card_n bellarm._n mark_v well_o then_o m._n doctor_n my_o deduction_n if_o the_o chucrh_n of_o rome_n remain_v in_o her_o purity_n of_o faith_n without_o any_o change_n for_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n for_o your_o own_o confession_n above_o express_v be_v that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n so_o long_o continue_v a_o chaste_a and_o intemerate_v spouse_n and_o if_o as_o your_o own_o pen_n have_v leave_v it_o write_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n be_v teach_v by_o victor_n the_o first_o the_o doctrine_n of_o merit_n of_o work_n be_v maintain_v by_o cyprian_a &_o general_o by_o other_o father_n of_o that_o age_n and_o to_o be_v short_a if_o leo_n be_v a_o great_a architect_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o antichrist_n you_o meaning_n of_o our_o present_a roman_a religion_n all_o which_o say_v father_n to_o wit_n cyprian_a victor_n leo_n and_o the_o rest_n do_v live_v diverse_a age_n before_o the_o six_o age_n or_o century_n to_o what_o time_n you_o extend_v the_o purity_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v it_o not_o then_o inevitable_o result_v out_o of_o your_o own_o premise_n if_o all_o this_o be_v true_a as_o you_o affirm_v it_o be_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n the_o doctrine_n of_o merit_n of_o work_n and_o our_o catholic_a doctrine_n general_o teach_v by_o antichrist_n as_o you_o term_v the_o pope_n be_v no_o innovation_n but_o the_o same_o pure_a doctrine_n which_o the_o apostle_n first_o plant_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n see_v how_o your_o self_n through_o your_o own_o inaduertency_n have_v fortify_v the_o truth_n of_o that_o doctrine_n which_o yourself_o do_v intend_v to_o overthrow_v and_o thus_o far_o to_o show_v that_o their_o never_o be_v make_v any_o change_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n prove_v from_o the_o distribution_n &_o division_n of_o those_o two_o different_a time_n which_o by_o the_o learned_a protestant_n acknowledgement_n do_v contain_v the_o period_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n her_o continuance_n in_o the_o true_a faith_n &_o of_o the_o public_a and_o general_a profession_n of_o our_o now_o present_a roman_a faith_n d._n whittaker_n my_o l._n cardinal_n whereas_o you_o have_v produce_v several_a testimony_n from_o our_o own_o learned_a protestant_n who_o teach_v that_o in_o the_o second_o three_o &_o four_o age_n after_o christ_n such_o &_o such_o a_o article_n of_o the_o papist_n religion_n have_v it_o beginning_n it_o seem_v in_o my_o judgement_n that_o these_o their_o authority_n do_v more_o prejudice_n than_o advantage_n your_o cause_n since_o such_o testimony_n if_o so_o you_o will_v stand_v to_o they_o do_v show_v a_o beginning_n though_o most_o ancient_a of_o those_o doctrine_n after_o the_o apostle_n death_n and_o consequent_o a_o change_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o if_o you_o will_v admit_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o protestant_n grant_v the_o antiquity_n of_o the_o present_a romish_a religion_n in_o those_o former_a time_n you_o be_v also_o by_o force_n of_o reason_n to_o admit_v their_o like_a authority_n in_o say_v that_o at_o such_o time_n and_o not_o before_o those_o article_n be_v first_o teach_v for_o see_v both_o these_o point_n be_v deliver_v by_o the_o protestant_n in_o one_o &_o the_o same_o sentence_n or_o testimony_n why_o shall_v the_o one_o part_n thereof_o be_v urge_v for_o true_a and_o the_o other_o reject_v as_o false_a michaeas_n m._n doctor_n here_o with_o my_o l._n cardinal_n and_o your_o own_o good_a licence_n i_o be_o to_o make_v bold_a to_o put_v in_o a_o word_n or_o two_o this_o your_o reply_n m._n doctor_n by_o way_n of_o inference_n may_v seem_v to_o lessen_v the_o antiqurty_a of_o our_o ancient_a jewish_a law_n and_o therefore_o i_o hold_v myself_o oblige_v to_o discover_v the_o weakness_n thereof_o though_o not_o out_o of_o desire_n to_o entertain_v any_o contestation_n with_o you_o grant_v then_o that_o some_o miscreant_n or_o heathen_a writer_n as_o enemy_n to_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n affirm_v that_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o jew_n have_v it_o beginning_n in_o the_o time_n of_o esdras_n for_o example_n this_o their_o testimony_n may_v just_o be_v allege_v to_o prove_v that_o our_o jewish_a law_n be_v as_o ancient_a at_o least_o as_o esdras_n but_o it_o can_v be_v allege_v to_o prove_v that_o our_o law_n take_v it_o first_o beginning_n at_o that_o time_n only_o and_o not_o before_o in_o the_o day_n of_o moses_n therefore_o in_o the_o authority_n of_o this_o nature_n produce_v from_o our_o adversary_n write_n we_o be_v to_o distinguish_v and_o sever_v that_o which_o the_o adversary_n grant_v in_o the_o behalf_n of_o we_o from_o that_o which_o he_o affirm_v to_o his_o own_o advantage_n what_o he_o grant_v for_o we_o &_o against_o himself_o so_o far_o we_o be_v to_o embrace_v his_o authority_n see_v it_o may_v be_v presume_v that_o ordinarliy_v no_o learned_a man_n will_v confess_v any_o thing_n against_o himself_o &_o his_o religion_n but_o what_o the_o evidency_n of_o the_o truth_n therein_o enforce_v he_o unto_o and_o therefore_o one_o 3._o of_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n of_o your_o christian_a church_n if_o i_o do_v remember_v his_o word_n in_o this_o respect_n say_v well_o i_o will_v strike_v the_o adversary_n with_o their_o own_o weapon_n but_o what_o the_o adversary_n affirm_v in_o favour_n of_o his_o own_o cause_n and_o against_o we_o their_o we_o be_v not_o to_o stand_v to_o his_o own_o authority_n since_o no_o man_n be_v to_o be_v a_o witness_n in_o his_o own_o behalf_n and_o it_o well_o may_v be_v presume_v that_o such_o his_o sentence_n
signify_v three_o year_n and_o a_o half_a which_o short_a compass_n of_o time_n can_v in_o any_o sort_n be_v apply_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o reme_n as_o antichrist_n teach_v the_o present_a roman_a religion_n see_v he_o have_v continue_v preach_v the_o say_a doctrine_n &_o religion_n even_o by_o the_o protestant_n confession_n as_o now_o i_o see_v many_o hundred_o of_o year_n but_o good_a my_o lord_n cardinal_n if_o there_o be_v any_o other_o reason_n behind_o to_o impugn_v this_o say_a change_n i_o will_v entreat_v your_o lordship_n to_o descend_v to_o they_o for_o in_o matter_n of_o great_a importance_n variety_n seldom_o breed_v satiety_n card_n bellarm._n i_o be_o willing_a thereto_o and_o for_o the_o further_a prosecution_n thereof_o i_o be_o to_o put_v you_o in_o mind_n m._n doctor_n partly_o according_a to_o my_o former_a method_n set_v down_o in_o the_o beginning_n that_o whereas_o the_o professor_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v in_o the_o apostle_n day_n the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n as_o be_v above_o on_o all_o side_n confess_v and_o consequent_o the_o most_o ancient_a church_n since_o falsehood_n truth_n be_v ever_o more_o ancient_a than_o falsehood_n and_o error_n it_o therefore_o follow_v that_o all_o heretic_n whatsoever_o who_o make_v choice_n of_o any_o new_a doctrine_n in_o faith_n do_v make_v a_o revolt_n and_o separation_n from_o that_o church_n of_o the_o apostle_n according_a to_o those_o word_n of_o s._n john_n 2._o exierunt_fw-la a_o nobis_fw-la they_o go_v out_o of_o we_o and_o answerable_o to_o that_o other_o text_n 15_o certain_a that_o go_v forth_o from_o we_o which_o very_a word_n do_v contain_v a_o brand_n or_o note_v upon_o the_o author_n of_o every_o heresy_n since_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o evangelist_n do_v mean_a hereby_o that_o ever_o first_o heretic_n go_v out_o from_o a_o more_o aucient_a society_n of_o christian_n then_o by_o he_o be_v choose_v so_o as_o to_o go_v out_o of_o a_o precedent_a church_n or_o society_n of_o christian_n be_v not_o only_o a_o infallible_a note_n of_o heresy_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o vincentius_n lyrinensis_n haeres_fw-la quis_fw-la unquam_fw-la haereses_fw-la instituit_fw-la nisi_fw-la qui_fw-la priùs_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la câ—â—boli_fw-la ae_z vniver_n sitatis_fw-la &_o antiqnitatis_fw-la consensione_n discreâ—â—it_fw-la but_o even_o by_o your_o own_o brethren_n for_o we_o find_v osiander_n among_o other_o thus_o to_o write_v 78._o nota_fw-la haeretici_fw-la ex_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la progrediuntur_fw-la thus_o do_v heretic_n ever_o forsake_v the_o general_a &_o most_o ancient_a company_n of_o christian_n as_o small_a brook_n do_v often_o leave_v the_o common_a channel_n of_o the_o main_n river_n now_o here_o i_o demand_v of_o you_o m._n doctor_n to_o show_v from_o what_o company_n or_o society_n of_o christian_n more_o ancient_a do_v we_o catholic_n in_o those_o former_a time_n when_o first_o you_o say_v this_o change_n of_o faith_n be_v make_v depart_n or_o from_o what_o church_n afore_o in_o be_v go_v we_o out_o the_o evidency_n of_o this_o note_n be_v manifest_v in_o calvin_n luther_n the_o waldenses_n the_o wicliffian_n and_o all_o other_o ancient_a acknowledge_v sectary_n of_o who_o it_o be_v confess_v that_o all_o of_o they_o be_v original_o member_n of_o our_o catholic_a church_n and_o by_o their_o make_a choice_n of_o particular_a doctrine_n so_o judas_n the_o apostle_n who_o depart_v from_o the_o company_n of_o the_o apostl_v after_o become_v judas_n the_o traitor_n do_v go_v and_o depart_v out_o of_o the_o present_a roman_a church_n and_o thereby_o become_v heretic_n the_o like_a m._n doctor_n i_o do_v here_o expect_v that_o you_o shall_v prove_v by_o authority_n of_o ecclesiastical_a history_n of_o the_o present_a catholic_a and_o roman_a church_n which_o if_o you_o can_v then_o be_v the_o inference_n most_o strong_a that_o the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n never_o make_v any_o such_o revolt_n from_o or_o depart_v out_o of_o that_o church_n which_o be_v establish_v by_o the_o apostle_n at_o rome_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n never_o suffer_v any_o change_n in_o faith_n since_o it_o first_o be_v a_o church_n d._n whitaker_n your_o church_n have_v depart_v from_o that_o faith_n which_o the_o apostle_n first_o preach_v in_o rome_n and_o i_o hope_v this_o departure_n and_o go_v out_o without_o other_o proof_n be_v sufficient_a enough_o and_o here_o i_o answer_v with_o m._n newstubâ—_n one_o of_o our_o learned_a brethren_n 35_o that_o when_o you_o require_v who_o be_v they_o that_o do_v note_v your_o go_v out_o etc._n etc._n this_o question_n i_o say_v be_v unvecessary_a etc._n etc._n we_o have_v take_v you_o with_o the_o manner_n that_o be_v to_o say_v with_o the_o doctrine_n diverse_a from_o the_o aposty_n and_o therefore_o neither_o law_n nor_o conficience_n can_v force_v we_o to_o examen_fw-la they_o who_o be_v witness_n of_o you_o first_o depart_v thus_o my_o brother_n m._n newstubs_n and_o my_o lord_n as_o it_o be_v far_o better_a for_o one_o to_o have_v a_o clear_a sight_n then_o to_o enjoy_v the_o best_a help_n for_o cure_v a_o bad_a sight_n so_o we_o here_o prefer_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o doctrine_n first_o preach_v at_o rome_n by_o the_o apostle_n and_o manifest_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o perspicuity_n of_o the_o scripture_n before_o all_o humane_a reason_n and_o argument_n direct_v to_o the_o discovery_n of_o rome_n after_o embrace_a innovation_n card_n bellarm._n what_o strange_a logic_n be_v this_o and_o how_o poor_a a_o circulation_n do_v you_o make_v the_o main_n question_n between_o we_o be_v whether_o the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n have_v change_v it_o faith_n or_o no_o since_o the_o apostle_n day_n to_o prove_v that_o it_o have_v not_o iverge_n that_o the_o professor_n thereof_o do_v never_o go_v out_o of_o any_o more_o ancient_a church_n and_o consequent_o ever_o retain_v without_o change_n it_o former_a faith_n now_o you_o in_o answer_n hereto_o as_o not_o be_v able_a to_o instance_n the_o person_n by_o who_o or_o the_o time_n when_o any_o such_o depart_a or_o go_v out_o be_v make_v by_o the_o professor_n of_o our_o religion_n reply_v that_o it_o doctrine_n be_v different_a from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v change_v it_o religion_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o this_o sophism_n you_o know_v be_v but_o petitio_fw-la principij_fw-la or_o a_o begin_n of_o the_o matter_n in_o question_n and_o be_v nothing_o else_o but_o without_o answer_v to_o any_o of_o my_o premise_n the_o denial_n of_o my_o conclusion_n which_o kind_n of_o answenng_a i_o be_o sure_a impugn_v all_o logic_n and_o therefore_o all_o reason_n since_o logic_n be_v but_o reason_n sublimate_v and_o refine_v but_o to_o proceed_v further_o in_o every_o introduction_n of_o a_o new_a religion_n or_o broach_v of_o any_o innovation_n in_o doctrine_n the_o professor_n thereof_o receive_v a_o new_a denomination_n or_o name_n for_o the_o most_o part_n from_o the_o first_o author_n of_o the_o new_a doctrine_n and_o sometime_o from_o the_o doctrine_n its_o self_n like_v unto_o a_o run_a river_n which_o common_o take_v the_o name_n of_o that_o river_n into_o which_o it_o fall_v thus_o the_o arian_n the_o valentinian_o marcionist_n manichaean_n from_o arius_n valentinus_n marcian_n and_o manicheus_fw-la etc._n etc._n or_o from_o the_o doctrine_n itself_o as_o the_o heretic_n monothelite_n agnoitae_n theopaschitae_fw-la etc._n etc._n though_o this_o more_o seldom_o this_o note_n or_o mark_v of_o impose_v a_o new_a name_n of_o the_o professor_n of_o every_o arise_v heresy_n may_v be_v exemplify_v in_o all_o heresy_n without_o exception_n engender_v since_o the_o apostle_n time_n even_o to_o this_o day_n a_o point_n so_o exempt_a from_o all_o doubt_n as_o that_o your_o learned_a man_n m._n doctor_n feild_n thus_o write_v 9_o sure_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o name_n after_o the_o name_n of_o man_n be_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o primative_a church_n peculiar_a and_o proper_a to_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n with_o who_o agree_v m._n motion_n park_n both_o of_o they_o borrow_v it_o from_o the_o ancient_a fine_a father_n and_o particular_o from_o chrysostome_n who_o thus_o say_v apost_n prout_n haeresiarchae_fw-la nomen_fw-la it_o a_o secta_fw-la voco_fw-la well_o then_o this_o be_v thus_o acknowledge_v on_o all_o side_n if_o the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n have_v make_v a_o change_n from_o her_o first_o primative_a faith_n than_o the_o professor_n thereof_o by_o introduce_v of_o new_a heresy_n and_o opinion_n become_v heretic_n and_o consequent_o they_o have_v take_v according_a to_o our_o former_a ground_n some_o name_n either_o from_o the_o first_o broacher_n of_o these_o new_a doctrine_n or_o from_o the_o doctrine_n themselves_o but_o you_o can_v m._n doctor_n show_v any_o such_o name_n to_o be_v impose_v upon_o we_o
augustins_n come_v into_o england_n three_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o at_o the_o time_n of_o the_o conference_n between_o augustine_n and_o the_o briton_z bishops_z the_o great_a difference_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o religion_n whereupon_o they_o stand_v be_v but_o two_o point_n chief_o consist_v in_o ceremony_n to_o wit_n the_o keep_n of_o easter_n day_n in_o it_o usual_a time_n and_o the_o form_n of_o baptise_v according_a to_o the_o rite_n of_o rome_n four_o and_o last_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o augustine_n here_o plant_v and_o preach_v to_o the_o english_a all_o article_n and_o point_n of_o the_o present_a roman_a religion_n or_o papistry_n as_o you_o protestant_n do_v usual_o style_v it_o now_o m._n doctor_n what_o other_o resultancy_n can_v here_o be_v make_v out_o of_o all_o these_o premise_n but_o this_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o augustins_n time_n teach_v papistry_n be_v whole_o agreeable_a the_o two_o point_n or_o ceremony_n of_o keep_v easter_n day_n and_o of_o baptise_v with_o the_o rite_n of_o rome_n only_o except_v with_o the_o faith_n and_o religion_n which_o be_v plant_v among_o the_o briton_n by_o joseph_n of_o aramathia_n in_o the_o apostle_n day_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n teach_v papistry_n do_v never_o suffer_v any_o change_n in_o her_o faith_n and_o religion_n since_o the_o apostle_n depart_v this_o be_v the_o argument_n wherein_o i_o grant_v i_o partly_o insult_v it_o be_v inavoidable_a it_o be_v a_o demonstration_n and_o prize_v it_o micheas_n as_o a_o strong_a aries_n beat_v down_o &_o bear_v before_o it_o whatsoever_o may_v seem_v to_o withstand_v the_o truth_n in_o this_o point_n controvert_v micheas_n in_o deed_n my_o lord_n it_o seem_v to_o i_o very_o forcible_a and_o you_o do_v well_o to_o reserve_v it_o to_o the_o last_o place_n that_o so_o like_o sweetmeat_n it_o may_v pleas_o close_v up_o the_o taste_n of_o our_o judgment_n nevertheless_o the_o consideration_n of_o it_o do_v not_o diminish_v with_o i_o the_o force_n of_o your_o other_o former_a argument_n for_o though_o better_o be_v better_o yet_o follow_v it_o not_o but_o that_o good_a be_v good_a d._n whitaker_n my_o lord_n this_o your_o argument_n be_v tie_v together_o with_o many_o link_n and_o break_v but_o one_o of_o they_o all_o the_o rest_n be_v loose_v and_o indeed_o it_o be_v but_o a_o argument_n draw_v from_o authority_n negative_o and_o by_o omission_n only_o which_o you_o know_v be_v little_o value_v in_o the_o school_n for_o the_o hinge_n as_o i_o may_v say_v or_o weight_n of_o it_o only_o consist_v in_o this_o that_o at_o the_o meeting_n of_o augustine_n and_o the_o briton_z bishop_n dissent_v from_o augustine_n but_o of_o other_o great_a point_n we_o read_v no_o mention_n make_v among_o they_o and_o therefore_o for_o any_o thing_n we_o know_v the_o briton_n may_v aswell_o disagree_v from_o augustine_n in_o all_o other_o article_n pass_v over_o in_o silence_n as_o agree_v with_o they_o card_n bellarm._n how_o improbable_a how_o absurd_a how_o impossible_a be_v this_o you_o say_v and_o take_v heed_n m._n doctor_n that_o this_o your_o answer_n be_v not_o control_v by_o your_o own_o secret_a conscience_n and_o beware_v of_o much_o practise_v the_o like_a hereafter_o since_o the_o character_n of_o any_o bad_a course_n impress_v by_o a_o long_a habit_n at_o length_n become_v indelible_a but_o to_o the_o point_n consider_v all_o the_o circumstance_n of_o the_o business_n at_o that_o time_n handle_v and_o then_o deliver_v a_o impartial_a and_o even_o censure_v the_o meeting_n be_v occasion_v only_o for_o compare_v their_o faith_n together_o augustine_n imitate_v therein_o s._n paul_n 2._o ut_fw-la conferat_fw-la cum_fw-la illis_fw-la euangelium_fw-la quod_fw-la praedicat_fw-la in_o gentibus_fw-la the_o briton_n even_o by_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o m._n 120._o fox_n do_v bear_v themselves_o at_o the_o first_o against_o augustine_n with_o great_a pertinacy_n &_o stubborness_n and_o therefore_o the_o less_o probable_a it_o be_v that_o they_o will_v yield_v to_o he_o in_o any_o point_n of_o moment_n more_o than_o be_v agreeable_a to_o their_o own_o religion_n the_o difference_n between_o they_o after_o much_o disquisition_n and_o search_v be_v record_v to_o be_v only_o about_o the_o two_o former_a point_n of_o ceremony_n and_o seem_a indifferency_n the_o recorder_n of_o this_o great_a passage_n be_v principal_o s._n bede_n who_o ex_fw-la professo_fw-la do_v write_v most_o elaborate_o and_o punctual_o the_o ecclesiastical_a history_n of_o england_n in_o those_o time_n and_o therein_o be_v oblige_v by_o his_o design_a method_n not_o to_o register_v the_o small_a occurrent_n and_o whole_o to_o omit_v the_o great_a now_o then_o can_v we_o dream_v that_o the_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o real_a presence_n the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n pray_v to_o saint_n purgatory_n freewill_n justification_n by_o work_n image_n monachisme_n the_o primacy_n of_o peter_n and_o some_z other_o all_z being_z article_n of_o great_a importance_n and_o particular_o teach_v by_o s._n augustine_n be_v either_o not_o mention_v and_o not_o once_o speak_v of_o in_o that_o serious_a discourse_n between_o augustine_n and_o the_o briton_z bishop_n or_o they_o be_v then_o painful_o discuss_v and_o ventilate_v the_o briton_n be_v so_o refractory_a and_o stiff_a with_o augustine_n in_o the_o small_a point_n will_v quiet_o and_o without_o resistance_n embrace_v all_o these_o high_a doctrine_n as_o innovation_n and_o repugnant_a to_o their_o faith_n first_o plant_v by_o joseph_n of_o aramathia_n or_o if_o the_o briâ—on_a bishop_n veâ—lded_v not_o their_o assent_n to_o these_o supreme_a point_n of_o faith_n of_o rome_n will_v not_o such_o their_o reluctation_n and_o dislike_n have_v be_v record_v by_o s._n bede_n and_o other_o writer_n of_o those_o time_n who_o will_v not_o omit_v to_o relate_v the_o briton_n stiffness_n and_o coldness_n in_o the_o least_o matter_n of_o this_o history_n it_o be_v great_a weakness_n but_o to_o suppose_v such_o impossibility_n it_o be_v madness_n and_o lunacy_n to_o believe_v they_o therefore_o my_o absolute_a and_o last_o resolution_n here_o be_v that_o the_o faith_n of_o augustine_n be_v then_o one_o and_o the_o same_o in_o all_o article_n with_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o briton_n first_o preach_v to_o they_o in_o the_o apostle_n day_n the_o ceremony_n of_o baptise_v and_o of_o keep_v easter_n day_n chief_o except_v which_o lesser_a error_n s._n augustine_n observe_v the_o briton_n stiffness_n think_v perhaps_o will_v soon_o be_v recall_v by_o a_o patient_a sufferance_n of_o they_o for_o a_o time_n then_o by_o any_o violent_a mean_n use_v at_o the_o first_o to_o the_o contrary_a like_v to_o some_o disease_n which_o be_v best_a cure_v by_o continue_v the_o disease_n now_o for_o the_o full_a close_o of_o this_o point_n to_o wit_n touch_v the_o agreement_n of_o the_o doctrine_n teach_v by_o s._n augustine_n with_o the_o then_o doctrine_n and_o faith_n of_o the_o briton_z bishop_n i_o will_v add_v the_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o briton_n bishop_n themselves_o of_o who_o s._n bede_n thus_o relate_v 2._o britones_o quidem_fw-la confitentur_fw-la intellexisse_fw-la se_fw-la veram_fw-la esse_fw-la viam_fw-la iustitiae_fw-la quam_fw-la praedicaret_fw-la augustinus_n so_o unanimous_a we_o see_v be_v the_o briton_n &_o augustine_n in_o their_o faith_n and_o religion_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o strange_a that_o at_o the_o last_o as_o d._n fulke_n affirm_v 335._o augustine_n do_v obtain_v the_o aid_n of_o the_o british_a bishop_n to_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o saxon_n and_o thus_o far_o of_o this_o argument_n the_o which_o shall_v serve_v as_o the_o catastrophe_n or_o end_n of_o this_o my_o scene_n wherein_o i_o have_v undertake_v though_o more_o then_o by_o rigour_n of_o method_n i_o be_v tie_v unto_o to_o prove_v by_o positive_a argument_n and_o reason_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v never_o suffer_v any_o change_n in_o her_o faith_n and_o religion_n since_o the_o apostle_n day_n my_o chief_a allective_a micheâ—s_n induce_v i_o thereto_o be_v only_o your_o satisfaction_n in_o this_o your_o impose_v subject_a or_o question_n micheas_n my_o l._n cardinal_n i_o render_v you_o humble_a thanks_n and_o i_o must_v say_v that_o these_o your_o former_a argument_n produce_v seem_v to_o i_o very_o move_v and_o except_o m._n doctor_n be_v able_a to_o repel_v they_o with_o other_o more_o forcible_a argument_n they_o will_v i_o confess_v impel_v my_o judgement_n to_o give_v it_o free_a and_o full_a consent_n to_o the_o believe_v of_o that_o point_n for_o the_o proof_n whereof_o they_o be_v by_o your_o lordship_n allege_v card_n bellarm._n m._n doctor_n see_v there_o be_v no_o truth_n so_o illustrious_a and_o radiant_a but_o that_o in_o a_o undiscerning_a eye_n it_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v cloud_v for_o the_o time_n with_o the_o interposition_n of_o some_o weak_a objection_n
therefore_o i_o will_v now_o wish_v you_o to_o proceed_v to_o your_o proof_n and_o to_o alleadg_n such_o argument_n against_o our_o former_a conclusion_n as_o your_o own_o read_n have_v at_o any_o time_n best_o minister_v unto_o you_o do_v not_o rest_v only_o in_o general_o say_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v alter_v her_o religion_n except_o withal_o you_o insist_v in_o the_o particular_a instance_n when_o that_o church_n embrace_v such_o &_o such_o a_o doctrine_n as_o a_o innovation_n and_o repugnant_a to_o the_o faith_n plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o remember_v that_o the_o truth_n or_o falsehood_n of_o generality_n in_o speech_n do_v receive_v their_o best_a illustration_n from_o a_o curious_a and_o precise_a dissect_n of_o the_o particular_n this_o office_n now_o be_v particular_o incumbent_a upon_o you_o for_o see_v you_o maintain_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v change_v its_o faith_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n you_o be_v oblige_v to_o insist_v in_o the_o particular_a doctrine_n suppose_v to_o be_v change_v in_o the_o person_n and_o pope_n by_o who_o this_o change_n be_v make_v in_o the_o time_n in_o which_o these_o alteration_n be_v presume_v to_o have_v happen_v and_o the_o like_a as_o above_o i_o intimate_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o this_o discourse_n therefore_o m._n doctor_n begin_v and_o i_o will_v reply_v to_o your_o objection_n as_o far_o as_o my_o own_o read_n and_o judgement_n will_v afford_v d._n whitaker_n my_o lord_n i_o willing_o take_v hold_v of_o your_o prescribe_a method_n and_o will_v give_v many_o instance_n of_o several_a doctrine_n even_o of_o the_o great_a moment_n now_o in_o question_n between_o you_o and_o we_o when_o they_o be_v first_o introduce_v into_o the_o church_n and_o by_o what_o pope_n they_o be_v so_o bring_v in_o and_o i_o hope_v that_o a_o due_a and_o mature_a ponderation_n of_o they_o will_v be_v able_a to_o shake_v and_o disjoint_n or_o rather_o to_o lay_v level_a to_o the_o ground_n the_o whole_a systima_n and_o frame_v of_o your_o former_a large_a discourse_n well_o then_o the_o first_o instance_n of_o this_o undoubted_a change_n which_o i_o will_v allege_v shall_v be_v pope_n 480._o siritius_n who_o be_v the_o first_o that_o annex_v perpetual_a chastity_n to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n and_o i_o hope_v that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v account_v no_o small_a change_n to_o bar_v our_o clergy_n of_o their_o christian_a liberty_n in_o so_o great_a a_o matter_n since_o we_o be_v teach_v by_o he_o who_o in_o these_o late_a time_n first_o teach_v we_o protestantcy_n that_o nothing_o english_v be_v more_o sweeâ—e_a or_o love_v upon_o earth_n then_o be_v the_o love_n of_o a_o woman_n if_o a_o man_n can_v obtain_v it_o and_o 505._o that_o he_o who_o resolve_v to_o be_v without_o a_o woman_n let_v he_o lay_v aside_o from_o he_o the_o name_n of_o a_o man_n make_v himself_o a_o plain_a angel_n or_o spirit_n card_n bellarm._n m._n doctor_n before_o i_o come_v to_o apply_v particular_a answer_n to_o your_o particular_a instance_n follow_v i_o must_v tell_v you_o that_o the_o force_n of_o all_o such_o your_o instance_n be_v already_o overthrow_v by_o what_o be_v deliver_v above_o for_o if_o it_o be_v already_o demonstrate_v that_o no_o change_n of_o faith_n have_v be_v make_v at_o any_o time_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n partly_o by_o free_v every_o age_n of_o the_o church_n since_o christ_n time_n from_o any_o change_n in_o religion_n even_o by_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o learned_a protestant_n partly_o by_o manifest_v that_o neither_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n never_o make_v any_o resistance_n against_o the_o first_o suppose_v change_v as_o both_o in_o duty_n it_o be_v bind_v to_o do_v and_o as_o the_o holy_a scripture_n propehsy_v that_o it_o shall_v ever_o do_v at_o the_o innovation_n of_o any_o new_a doctrine_n neither_o do_v any_o historiographer_n record_v in_o his_o history_n any_o such_o change_n partly_o by_o discover_v the_o uncertain_a judgment_n of_o your_o own_o brethren_n touch_v antichrist_n first_o come_v at_o what_o time_n this_o so_o much_o press_v innovation_n of_o faith_n be_v teach_v to_o have_v happen_v and_o final_o partly_o by_o diverse_a other_o reason_n above_o discuss_v and_o dispute_v i_o say_v if_o all_o this_o have_v be_v above_o prove_v as_o i_o hope_v it_o be_v then_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o all_o pretend_a instance_n and_o example_n upon_o which_o you_o may_v hereafter_o seem_v in_o a_o ignorant_a eye_n to_o insist_v be_v impertinent_a frivolous_a and_o whole_o by_o you_o mistake_v nevertheless_o for_o the_o full_a content_n of_o this_o our_o learned_a jew_n i_o will_v with_o peculiar_a answer_n refel_v every_o one_o of_o your_o peculiar_a example_n and_o first_o to_o your_o first_o where_o it_o seem_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o vow_a chastity_n in_o clergy_n men_n touch_v you_o near_o in_o regard_n of_o your_o minister_n conjugal_a life_n see_v you_o begin_v there_o with_o and_o here_o by_o the_o way_n i_o must_v make_v bold_a to_o say_v that_o you_o protestant_n god_n be_v thank_v can_v just_o be_v charge_v with_o be_v repute_v superstitious_a votary_n and_o wilful_a eunuch_n as_o catholic_n priest_n be_v style_v by_o some_o of_o your_o brethren_n to_o be_v so_o careful_a you_o be_v of_o your_o own_o reputation_n herein_o but_o the_o less_o marvel_n since_o the_o very_a body_n of_o protestancy_n be_v sensuality_n pardon_v i_o m._n doctor_n for_o speak_v that_o which_o experience_n and_o your_o own_o theorem_n depose_v to_o be_v true_a as_o the_o soul_n of_o it_o be_v a_o assume_v height_n of_o mind_n and_o control_n of_o all_o authority_n but_o now_o to_o your_o example_n whereof_o you_o produce_v no_o authority_n of_o any_o ancient_a father_n affirm_v so_o much_o but_o only_o your_o own_o naked_a assertion_n this_o of_o siricius_n be_v wrongful_o allege_v for_o several_a respect_n first_o in_o that_o we_o find_v s._n hierome_n who_o live_v before_o siricius_n to_o write_v of_o this_o point_n in_o this_o sort_n 3._o if_o marry_v man_n like_v not_o of_o this_o mean_v of_o the_o single_a life_n of_o the_o clergy_n let_v they_o not_o be_v angry_a with_o i_o but_o with_o the_o holy_a scripture_n with_o all_o bishop_n priest_n and_o deacon_n who_o know_v they_o can_v offer_v up_o sacrifice_n if_o they_o use_v the_o act_n of_o marriage_n thus_o we_o see_v s._n hierome_n reduce_v this_o point_n of_o priest_n not_o marry_v even_o to_o the_o scripture_n itself_o which_o father_n in_o further_a proof_n thereof_o appeal_v to_o the_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n therein_o say_v 1._o quid_fw-la faciunt_fw-la orientis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la quid_fw-la egypti_n &_o sedis_fw-la apostolicae_fw-la quae_fw-la aut_fw-la virgin_n clericos_fw-la accipiunt_fw-la aut_fw-la cominentes_fw-la aut_fw-la si_fw-la vxores_fw-la habuerint_fw-la mariti_fw-la esse_fw-la desinunt_fw-la with_o hierome_n to_o omit_v other_o father_n epiphanius_n ancient_a to_o hierome_n conspire_v who_o reprehend_v the_o abuse_n of_o some_o deacon_n and_o subdeacons_a for_o accompany_v their_o wife_n who_o they_o have_v espouse_v before_o their_o order_n take_v conclude_v thus_o 59_o at_o hoc_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la iuxta_fw-la canonem_fw-la this_o be_v against_o the_o canion_n so_o he_o imply_v that_o there_o be_v a_o former_a canon_n against_o the_o marriage_n of_o priest_n to_o conclude_v origen_n who_o live_v before_o these_o oâ—her_n father_n thus_o write_v hereof_o 23._o mihi_fw-la videtur_fw-la quòd_fw-la illius_fw-la est_fw-la solius_fw-la offer_n sacrificium_fw-la indesinens_fw-la qui_fw-la indesinenti_fw-la &_o perpetuae_fw-la se_fw-la devouerit_fw-la castitati_fw-la i_o be_o of_o judgement_n that_o that_o man_n only_o be_v to_o offer_v up_o perpetual_a sacrifice_n who_o have_v devote_a himself_o to_o perpetual_a chastity_n this_o point_n be_v so_o evident_a that_o your_o own_o 62._o kempnitius_n do_v reprehend_v the_o foresay_a hierome_n epiphanius_n origen_n as_o also_o ambrose_n for_o their_o impugn_v the_o suppose_a lawfulness_n of_o priest_n marriage_n we_o may_v add_v for_o close_o hereof_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n whereat_o s._n augustine_n be_v present_a the_o council_n in_o express_a word_n say_v thus_o 2._o omnibus_fw-la placet_fw-la ut_fw-la episcopi_fw-la presbyteri_fw-la &_o diaconi_fw-la &c._n &c._n ab_fw-la uxoribus_fw-la se_fw-la abstineant_fw-la it_o be_v allow_v by_o all_o that_o bishop_n priest_n and_o deacon_n do_v abstain_v from_o have_v wife_n and_o then_o immediate_o after_o the_o council_n give_v the_o reason_n thereof_o in_o these_o word_n ut_fw-la quod_fw-la apostoli_fw-la docuerunt_fw-la &_o ipsa_fw-la seruavit_fw-la antiquitas_fw-la nos_fw-la custodiamus_fw-la to_o the_o end_n that_o we_o may_v keep_v what_o the_o apostle_n have_v ordain_v herein_o and_o antiquity_n observe_v now_o i_o refer_v to_o any_o man_n indifferent_a judgement_n with_o what_o colour_n m._n doctor_n you_o can_v aver_v that_o siricius_n be_v the_o first_o who_o impose_v single_a
and_o unreal_a circle_n in_o the_o heaven_n whereby_o they_o arrive_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o true_a and_o natural_a motion_n of_o the_o star_n and_o planet_n so_o i_o will_v for_o the_o time_n here_o imagine_v that_o waldo_n wicklef_n hus_n and_o the_o rest_n by_o you_o exemplify_v be_v in_o all_o point_n protestant_n and_o that_o their_o faith_n be_v not_o contaminate_v and_o soil_v with_o any_o one_o error_n or_o heresy_n yet_o from_o these_o acry_n supposal_n i_o will_v nevertheless_o deduce_v the_o infallible_a and_o certain_a truth_n of_o the_o defection_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n and_o will_v prove_v that_o the_o say_v example_n admit_v they_o for_o true_a example_n be_v not_o sufficient_a for_o several_a reason_n to_o support_v the_o visibility_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n 1._o and_o first_o we_o be_v here_o to_o call_v to_o mind_n that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n as_o appear_v from_o the_o etymology_n of_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a acceptance_n thereof_o be_v a_o call_n out_o or_o congregation_n of_o many_o of_o the_o faithful_a so_o as_o to_o the_o necessary_a be_v of_o the_o church_n especial_o after_o the_o first_o plantation_n of_o it_o not_o one_o or_o two_o but_o diverse_a and_o many_o faithful_a must_v concur_v which_o point_n be_v make_v more_o evident_a in_o that_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n be_v ever_o a_o most_o necessary_a attendant_n of_o the_o church_n include_v in_o itself_o a_o multitude_n of_o person_n consist_v of_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n on_o the_o one_o side_n and_o of_o spiritual_a sheep_n or_o child_n on_o the_o other_o side_n in_o like_a sort_n the_o former_a prophecy_n touch_v the_o increase_n amplitude_n &_o continual_a splendour_n of_o the_o church_n do_v evict_v the_o same_o now_o to_o apply_v this_o to_o our_o present_a purpose_n in_o some_o of_o the_o former_a example_n we_o find_v no_o mention_n of_o other_o join_v in_o belief_n with_o the_o first_o suppose_v protestant_n of_o that_o time_n therefore_o from_o hence_o it_o may_v be_v conclude_v that_o the_o be_v of_o any_o one_o such_o strange_a protestant_n or_o other_o do_v not_o include_v the_o be_v of_o any_o protestant_a church_n at_o that_o time_n much_o less_o the_o visibility_n of_o such_o a_o suppose_a church_n during_o but_o that_o very_a tyme._n 2._o second_o the_o scripture_n and_o first_o part_n of_o our_o discourse_n do_v irrefragable_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n must_v not_o at_o one_o only_a time_n or_o other_o but_o all_o time_n and_o in_o all_o age_n without_o the_o least_o interruption_n or_o discontinuance_n much_o less_o without_o interruption_n for_o many_o hundred_o year_n together_o be_v most_o visible_a and_o conspicuous_a for_o it_o be_v resemble_v even_o in_o this_o respect_n by_o god_n sacred_a writ_n to_o a_o city_n 2._o place_v upon_o a_o hill_n that_o can_v be_v hide_v at_o any_o time_n and_o to_o a_o mountain_n ibidem_fw-la prepare_v in_o the_o top_n of_o mountain_n and_o exalt_v above_o hill_n all_o which_o imply_v a_o continual_a and_o incessant_a visibility_n of_o the_o church_n to_o which_o scripture_n d._n fulke_n 2._o and_o 37._o d_o whitaker_n subscrbe_n as_o above_o be_v show_v both_o who_o teach_v that_o even_o in_o the_o great_a persecution_n of_o antichrist_n much_o more_o then_o at_o other_o time_n the_o church_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v most_o visible_a and_o as_o bullenger_n 200._o say_v right_a famous_a this_o now_o be_v grant_v and_o withal_o it_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o d._n â—ulke_n 36._o and_o other_o learned_a protestant_n who_o speak_v more_o spare_o and_o wary_o here_o of_o than_o other_o of_o their_o brethren_n do_v who_o grant_v a_o long_a time_n of_o the_o reign_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n and_o religion_n that_o anno_fw-la domini_fw-la 607._o the_o papist_n religion_n prevayl_v as_o the_o say_a doctor_n speak_v and_o that_o all_o pope_n from_o boniface_n the_o three_o be_v antichrist_n which_o boniface_n do_v live_v about_o the_o say_a year_n 607._o now_o here_o satisfy_v myself_o at_o this_o present_a with_o our_o adverse_a confession_n touch_v the_o continuance_n of_o our_o catholic_a religion_n i_o demand_v m._n d._n and_o you_o learned_a man_n what_o protestant_n can_v be_v allege_v live_v between_o anno_fw-la 607._o and_o 〈◊〉_d 220._o at_o which_o time_n live_v waldo_n here_o be_v about_o six_o hundred_o year_n between_o these_o two_o time_n during_o all_o which_o period_n as_o also_o for_o every_o year_n thereof_o you_o stand_v oblige_v to_o allege_v protestant_n for_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o visibility_n of_o your_o church_n or_o else_o to_o acknowledge_v your_o church_n not_o to_o be_v the_o church_n of_o god_n but_o here_o all_o you_o protestant_n be_v at_o a_o stand_n as_o be_v not_o able_a to_o name_v any_o one_o protestant_a living_n within_o the_o compass_n of_o the_o say_v six_o hundred_o year_n i_o mean_v from_o anno_fw-la 607._o to_o anno_fw-la 1220_o whereby_o to_o support_v the_o visibility_n of_o your_o church_n but_o for_o any_o part_n of_o that_o time_n much_o less_o for_o whole_a tyme._n and_o if_o you_o m._n doctor_n can_v instance_n for_o those_o time_n i_o here_o provoke_v you_o thereto_o for_o as_o for_o bertram_n and_o berengarius_fw-la etc._n etc._n their_o example_n be_v over_o unworthy_a to_o be_v insist_v upon_o as_o above_o be_v show_v besyd_v suppose_v they_o for_o protestant_n yet_o their_o example_n serve_v but_o only_o during_o the_o life_n of_o bertram_n and_o berengarius_fw-la both_o which_o live_v some_o four_o or_o five_o hundred_o year_n after_o the_o acknowledge_v foresay_v 607._o year_n of_o boniface_n for_o which_o four_a or_o five_o hundred_o year_n you_o still_o remain_v bind_v to_o instance_n your_o protestant_n again_o waldo_n as_o be_v say_v live_v in_o anno_fw-la 1220._o wocklefe_v live_v anno_o 1370._o huâ—_n in_o anno_fw-la 1405._o luther_n live_v more_o than_o a_o hundred_o year_n after_o hus._n here_o we_o see_v again_o there_o be_v a_o good_a number_n of_o year_n between_o every_o one_o of_o these_o several_a time_n and_o here_o i_o demand_v again_o of_o you_o to_o name_v some_o protestant_n to_o fill_v up_o the_o bank_n as_o it_o be_v or_o empty_a room_n of_o these_o many_o stallion_n during_o all_o which_o time_n you_o can_v instance_n i_o be_o sure_a in_o any_o one_o know_v confess_v protestant_n wherefore_o i_o conclude_v that_o see_v the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v at_o all_o time_n &_o season_n ever_o visible_a and_o discernible_a and_o see_v your_o former_a example_n of_o waldo_n wicklefe_v hus_n and_o the_o rest_n above_o mention_v admit_v they_o for_o true_a example_n in_o all_o point_n be_v find_v defective_a to_o prove_v your_o church_n visibility_n that_o therefore_o your_o protestant_a church_n for_o want_n of_o this_o visibility_n so_o necessary_o require_v be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n and_o consequent_o that_o i_o have_v no_o warrant_n to_o leave_v the_o catholic_a church_n and_o to_o implant_v myself_o in_o your_o protestant_a church_n 3._o three_o all_o the_o former_a man_n i_o mean_v berengarius_fw-la waldo_n wicklefe_v hus_n luther_n &c._n &c._n be_v original_o catholic_n and_o then_o after_o by_o forge_v of_o new_a doctrine_n afore_o untaught_a they_o divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n then_o in_o be_v and_o so_o thereby_o they_o iustify_v in_o themselves_o those_o word_n of_o s._n john_n r_o they_o go_v out_o of_o we_o the_o very_a signature_n or_o character_n 15._o of_o a_o heretic_n even_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o protestant_n progrediuntur_fw-la now_o this_o disparture_n or_o go_v out_o of_o the_o church_n imply_v in_o lieu_n of_o a_o continuance_n of_o their_o church_n a_o interruption_n discontinuance_n and_o defection_n of_o their_o church_n and_o consequent_o a_o want_n of_o visibility_n of_o their_o say_a church_n since_o it_o infallible_o prove_v that_o the_o doctrine_n teach_v by_o these_o man_n after_o their_o departure_n be_v not_o teach_v by_o the_o church_n afore_o in_o be_v for_o if_o they_o have_v be_v teach_v by_o it_o these_o man_n need_v not_o to_o leave_v the_o then_o know_a church_n for_o their_o defend_n and_o teach_v of_o their_o say_a doctrine_n 4._o four_o &_o last_o you_o no_o doubt_n will_v say_v that_o wicklefe_v hus_n luther_n etc._n etc._n do_v preach_v the_o word_n and_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n to_o their_o disciple_n since_o without_o these_o mean_n even_o by_o your_o confession_n the_o church_n can_v subsist_v here_o then_o see_v no_o 5._o man_n take_v to_o he_o the_o honour_n of_o priesthood_n but_o he_o that_o be_v call_v of_o god_n as_o aaron_n be_v and_o see_v according_a hereto_o it_o be_v say_v how_o 10._o shall_v they_o preach_v except_o they_o be_v send_v and_o further_o who_o so_o 10._o enter_v not_o at_o the_o door_n into_o the_o
contrary_a to_o the_o necessary_a visibility_n of_o god_n true_a church_n prove_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n &_o acknowledge_v by_o their_o own_o learned_a brethren_n their_o own_o church_n to_o have_v be_v whole_o latent_fw-la and_o invisible_a or_o rather_o whole_o extinct_a and_o annihilate_v for_o so_o many_o age_n together_o but_o this_o we_o must_v asâ—rybe_v o_o god_n to_o thy_o holy_a permission_n who_o as_o thou_o suffer_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n thy_o enemy_n to_o sheathe_v their_o sword_n in_o their_o brethren_n side_n so_o hear_v thoâ—_n permitee_v for_o the_o great_a honour_n of_o thy_o church_n so_o many_o learned_a protestant_n even_o with_o wonderful_a admiration_n sweet_a jesus_n deadly_a to_o wound_n their_o own_o church_n faith_n and_o religion_n with_o their_o own_o penn_n d._n reynolds_n forbear_v michaeas_n these_o wounder_a interjection_n the_o accustom_a dialect_n of_o a_o ungoverned_a passion_n i_o grant_v these_o learned_a protestant_n above_o allege_v be_v of_o this_o opinion_n notwithstanding_o to_o confront_v their_o authoritye_n there_o may_v be_v find_v many_o other_o as_o learned_a and_o judicious_a protestant_n as_o these_o be_v who_o absolute_o maintain_v the_o visibility_n of_o their_o church_n for_o all_o age_n and_o i_o see_v no_o reason_n but_o that_o the_o sentence_n and_o judgement_n of_o these_o other_o shall_v preponderate_v and_o weigh_v equal_o with_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o former_a protestant_n by_o you_o allege_v michaeas_n you_o must_v pardon_v i_o m._n doctor_n if_o i_o wonder_n at_o thing_n so_o strange_o and_o unexpected_o faul_v out_o but_o to_o your_o solution_n i_o say_v it_o be_v most_o defective_a for_o several_a reason_n first_o because_o it_o main_o cross_v the_o method_n agree_v upon_o among_o we_o in_o the_o begin_v of_o our_o discourse_n where_o you_o tie_v yourself_o irrephâ—ably_o to_o stand_v to_o the_o judgment_n and_o confession_n of_o your_o own_o learned_a men._n again_o though_o you_o can_v bring_v other_o protestant_n of_o as_o great_a eminency_n for_o learning_n as_o these_o by_o i_o object_v yet_o except_o you_o and_o the_o say_v protestant_n will_v insist_v in_o true_a and_o confess_v instance_n of_o protestancy_n for_o every_o several_a age_n which_o be_v impossible_a for_o you_o to_o perform_v your_o and_o their_o asseveration_n be_v to_o be_v repute_v but_o naked_a verbal_a and_o inavayleable_a last_o and_o principal_o your_o reply_n be_v insufficient_a because_o i_o hear_v allege_v protestant_n confessinge_v the_o inuisibility_n of_o their_o own_o church_n to_o their_o own_o mighty_a prejudice_n and_o the_o catholyck_v great_a advantage_n and_o therefore_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v that_o the_o rack_n of_o truth_n force_v they_o be_v otherwise_o ingenuous_a learned_a and_o judicious_a to_o all_o such_o confession_n whereas_o such_o protestant_n as_o may_v be_v bring_v to_o gainsay_v and_o contradict_v the_o former_a confession_n as_o be_v man_n of_o more_o spacious_a and_o large_a conscience_n do_v speak_v in_o their_o own_o cause_n and_o behalf_n and_o therefore_o as_o be_v ready_a press_v to_o avere_v any_o thing_n how_o false_a soever_o for_o the_o safery_n of_o their_o church_n be_v deserve_o to_o be_v repute_v in_o their_o write_n more_o partial_a so_o as_o in_o this_o case_n the_o word_n of_o tertullian_n may_v just_o take_v place_n apologetiâ—o_o magis_fw-la fides_fw-la prouâ—_n est_fw-la in_fw-la adversus_fw-la sometâ—psos_fw-la confitentâ—â—_n quam_fw-la pro_fw-la 〈◊〉_d â—egantes_fw-la neuseru_n i_o like_v well_o michaeas_n the_o reason_n of_o your_o disparity_n give_v touch_v some_o protestant_n confess_v against_o themselves_o and_o other_o affirm_v the_o contrary_a to_o their_o own_o advantage_n ochinus_n the_o difference_n set_v down_o by_o you_o be_v most_o foreible_a for_o no_o doubt_n the_o open_a confession_n of_o one_o learned_a adversary_n be_v to_o overballance_v twenty_o deny_v the_o same_o even_o for_o that_o peculiar_a reason_n above_o mention_v d._n reynolds_n michaeas_n suppose_v for_o the_o time_n that_o we_o can_v not_o prove_v our_o church_n perpetuali_fw-la visibility_n yet_o seinge_v you_o be_v not_o able_a if_o you_o be_v press_v thereto_o to_o justify_v and_o make_v good_a the_o visibility_n of_o your_o own_o roman_a church_n during_o all_o the_o age_n since_o the_o apostle_n day_n therefore_o look_v into_o what_o danger_n through_o our_o confess_a inuisibility_n we_o may_v be_v presume_v to_o tune_n within_o the_o same_o we_o may_v just_o includ_v you_o and_o thus_o you_o own_o argument_n rebuct_v upon_o yourself_o michaeas_n hear_v i_o see_v m._n d._n that_o for_o more_fw-mi want_n of_o positive_a argument_n to_o support_v your_o own_o church_n you_o be_v last_o flee_v to_o pick_v quarrel_n at_o our_o church_n as_o if_o it_o be_v a_o justification_n of_o yourself_n that_o we_o catholyck_n do_v labour_n with_o your_o infirmity_n like_o man_n who_o rejoice_v to_o have_v compartuer_n in_o misery_n but_o to_o your_o point_n urge_v say_v it_o be_v impertinent_a to_o the_o whole_a drift_n of_o our_o dispute_n which_o be_v only_o touch_v the_o want_n of_o visibility_n in_o the_o protestant_a church_n which_o alone_o to_o prove_v be_v by_o i_o undertake_v the_o visibilitye_n of_o the_o catholycke_a church_n come_n in_o incident_o like_v as_o a_o discourse_n of_o vice_n do_v often_o in_o the_o end_n biget_fw-la some_o specche_n of_o virtue_n our_o contrary_a be_v thus_o bring_v to_o our_o remembrance_n by_o mean_n of_o the_o other_o contrary_a but_o because_o m._n d._n you_o shall_v discover_v no_o tergiversation_n in_o we_o herein_o and_o that_o here_o to_o entreat_v of_o the_o continual_a visibility_n of_o our_o catholycke_a church_n violate_v our_o former_a impose_v method_n therefore_o i_o will_v pawn_v my_o credit_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v leave_v with_o you_o certain_a treatise_n prouff_n contain_v the_o express_a and_o confess_v visibility_n of_o our_o roman_a church_n from_o the_o apostle_n to_o these_o day_n and_o this_o by_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o sundry_a learned_a protestant_n though_o hear_v by_o the_o way_n i_o must_v tell_v you_o that_o the_o confess_v inuisibility_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n during_o so_o many_o former_a age_n do_v potential_o and_o virtual_o include_v the_o proufe_v of_o the_o visibility_n of_o our_o roman_a church_n during_o the_o say_a age_n see_v the_o inuisibility_n of_o your_o church_n for_o so_o long_o a_o time_n be_v ascribe_v by_o you_o protestant_n as_o appear_v by_o many_o of_o the_o former_a protestant_n testimony_n to_o be_v the_o work_n of_o antichtist_n you_o meaning_n thereby_o the_o pope_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n therefore_o it_o inevitable_o follow_v from_o your_o own_o primiss_n that_o pope_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v ever_o be_v visible_a during_o all_o the_o say_v former_a age_n and_o centurye_n ochinus_n newserus_n i_o will_v have_v a_o word_n or_o two_o with_o you_o in_o private_a therefore_o if_o it_o please_v you_o let_v we_o walk_v a_o little_a a_o part_n neuseru_n i_o be_o willingthereto_o go_v into_o the_o next_o room_n and_o i_o will_v follow_v you_o ochinus_n you_o see_v hear_v neuserus_fw-la how_o this_o question_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n visibility_n have_v be_v discuss_v and_o argue_v and_o i_o must_v confess_v that_o michaeas_n have_v even_o in_o replicable_o demonstrate_v that_o the_o protestant_a church_n have_v at_o least_o for_o many_o age_n be_v invisible_a or_o rather_o extinct_a you_o see_v also_o how_o royatous_a and_o abound_a the_o old_a testament_n in_o prophecy_n and_o other_o testimony_n that_o the_o church_n in_o the_o day_n of_o the_o true_a messiah_n shall_v be_v at_o all_o cypress_n most_o conspicuous_a and_o visible_a therefore_o what_o rest_v but_o that_o either_o we_o must_v reject_v the_o old_a testament_n which_o i_o never_o will_v do_v for_o false_o prophety_v of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n or_o else_o we_o must_v deny_v that_o these_o time_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v the_o time_n of_o grace_n &_o that_o the_o church_n erect_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n as_o want_v the_o accomplishment_n of_o the_o foresay_a prediction_n be_v the_o true_a church_n which_o late_a point_n i_o hold_v to_o be_v more_o probable_a neuseru_n you_o have_v prevent_v i_o ochinus_n in_o time_n of_o speak_v but_o not_o in_o judgement_n for_o to_o confess_v the_o truth_n after_o i_o have_v observe_v the_o weakness_n of_o the_o instance_n allege_v though_o allege_v by_o the_o doctor_n with_o as_o much_o scholarlike_a art_n and_o advantage_n as_o may_v be_v my_o hover_a thought_n transport_v my_o judgement_n to_o this_o your_o centre_n which_o though_o it_o be_v environ_v with_o difficultye_n yet_o i_o hold_v it_o the_o more_o safe_a way_n with_o you_o since_o the_o one_o must_v necessary_o be_v reject_v as_o false_a and_o erroneous_a they_o so_o diametrical_o cross_v one_o the_o other_o to_o retain_v our_o former_a reverence_n to_o
your_o oratorye_n we_o say_v the_o prophecy_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n of_o which_o we_o have_v set_v down_o so_o great_a store_n be_v infallible_o to_o be_v perform_v we_o find_v they_o be_v not_o perform_v in_o christ_n church_n how_o then_o can_v we_o believe_v in_o christ_n as_o our_o true_a messiah_n and_o redemer_n or_o repâ—te_v his_o church_n for_o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n and_o where_o you_o michaeas_n reply_n that_o the_o say_v prophecy_n be_v accomplish_v in_o your_o popish_a church_n that_o force_v nothing_o since_o we_o be_v assure_v that_o that_o your_o church_n be_v a_o superstitious_a and_o idolatrous_a church_n and_o whole_o alienate_v from_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n therefore_o brief_o touch_v myself_o i_o open_o say_v i_o do_v expect_v a_o other_o 4._o messiah_n a_o other_o redeemer_n and_o i_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v your_o christ_n to_o be_v the_o second_o person_n of_o the_o trinity_n and_o therefore_o i_o do_v hold_n that_o the_o old_a law_n be_v in_o force_n circumcision_n be_v to_o beretayn_v newseru_n michaeas_n the_o stream_n of_o the_o time_n ought_v not_o to_o bear_v down_o the_o truth_n therefore_o see_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n the_o prediction_n of_o the_o prophett_n above_o by_o ochinus_n and_o myself_o full_o allege_v touch_v the_o enlargement_n the_o uninterupted_a visibility_n and_o the_o incessant_a administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n be_v not_o perform_v i_o here_o pronounce_v that_o est_fw-la christ_n be_v not_o the_o true_a messiah_n but_o aseducer_n and_o that_o his_o church_n be_v not_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o more_o particulary_a for_o myself_o as_o continue_v for_o ever_o in_o this_o my_o sentence_n i_o be_o resolve_v to_o go_v to_o constantinople_n and_o there_o as_o now_o beleve_v in_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n i_o will_v be_v circumcise_v therefore_o micheas_n content_v yourself_o and_o forbear_v all_o further_a vehemency_n of_o speech_n against_o we_o inâ—o_v which_o afore_o you_o do_v begin_v to_o enter_v but_o show_v in_o youâ—_n word_n great_a temperanee_n and_o patience_n michaeas_n patience_n peace_n prodigious_a man_n it_o be_v hear_v a_o virtue_n to_o transgress_v all_o bond_n of_o patience_n and_o but_o stupidity_n not_o to_o be_v angry_a you_o miscreant_n unworthy_a to_o breath_n since_o you_o deny_v he_o through_o who_o you_o breathe_v and_o unwothy_a to_o enjoy_v a_o be_v since_o you_o reject_v he_o who_o give_v you_o your_o be_v presumptuous_a clay_n that_o dâ—â—est_v thus_o contest_v with_o thy_o maker_n think_v you_o my_o word_n shall_v be_v slow_a in_o defence_n of_o he_o who_o be_v the_o word_n 1._o 〈◊〉_d verbum_fw-la care_n factum_fw-la est_fw-la &_o habitant_v in_o nobis_fw-la no._n i_o must_v speak_v i_o will_v speak_v never_o never_o shall_v my_o ear_n be_v guilty_a of_o my_o redemer_n blasphemy_n but_o that_o my_o tonge_n to_o it_o uttermost_a power_n shall_v reply_n and_o in_o this_o fervour_n keep_v i_o sweet_a jesus_n to_o my_o last_o gasp_n and_o i_o will_v be_v ready_a to_o trumpet_v â—orth_o tâ—e_v disgrace_n and_o ignominye_a of_o you_o both_o throughout_o all_o christendum_fw-la call_v you_o your_o former_a religion_n the_o light_n of_o the_o gospel_n which_o final_o tend_v to_o put_v out_o the_o light_n itself_o erat_fw-la lux_fw-la 1._o vera_fw-la quae_fw-la illuminat_fw-la â—mnem_fw-la hominem_fw-la o_o that_o i_o have_v one_o of_o the_o coal_n of_o the_o holy_a alter_n of_o god_n to_o sear_v your_o blafphemous_a tongue_n as_o the_o 6._o seraphin_n by_o take_v one_o of_o the_o coal_n thereof_o do_v purify_v the_o lip_n of_o the_o prophet_n isaiah_n o_o impiety_n of_o time_n in_o which_o such_o munster_n be_v breed_v worthy_a for_o fear_n of_o infect_v other_o to_o be_v eliminate_v out_o of_o the_o society_n of_o man_n and_o to_o be_v relegated_a unto_o some_o desert_n or_o wilderness_n there_o to_o converse_v with_o beast_n since_o in_o savadgne_n of_o nature_n you_o exceed_v beast_n you_o batteyd_v infidel_n that_o can_v endure_v the_o light_n of_o the_o sun_n 4._o orietur_fw-la sol_fw-la justitiae_fw-la under_o what_o name_n do_v you_o expect_v salvation_n since_o 4._o there_o be_v not_o any_o other_o name_n under_o heaven_n give_v unto_o man_n than_o thaâ—_n of_o jesus_n wherein_o we_o must_v be_v save_v can_v the_o prophecy_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n upon_o which_o in_o other_o point_n you_o seem_v so_o much_o to_o rely_v touch_v so_o many_o particularity_n of_o our_o saviour_n birth_n life_n passion_n and_o resurrection_n the_o due_a consideration_n beginning_n of_o all_o which_o i_o acknowledge_v first_o make_v i_o a_o christian_n prevail_v with_o you_o to_o confess_v he_o for_o your_o redeemer_n since_o all_o those_o particular_n be_v to_o be_v perform_v only_o in_o the_o true_a messiah_n and_o all_o of_o they_o have_v be_v actual_o perform_v in_o he_o who_o now_o you_o refuse_v the_o patration_n of_o infinite_a stupendous_a miracle_n exhibit_v not_o only_o by_o jesus_n himself_o but_o by_o his_o apostle_n and_o servant_n may_v be_v able_a i_o shall_v think_v be_v true_o weigh_v to_o wash_v out_o this_o blot_n of_o your_o infidelity_n and_o to_o â—yle_a away_o the_o rust_n of_o this_o your_o misbelief_n o_o england_n blush_v not_o thou_o that_o after_o thy_o cast_n of_o thy_o primative_a faith_n ocbâ—nus_n be_v the_o apostle_n by_o who_o mean_n and_o labour_n thou_o first_o do_v such_o protestancy_n be_v this_o he_o who_o presence_n initio_fw-la in_o those_o day_n be_v say_v to_o make_v thou_o happy_a and_o who_o absence_n unfortunate_a and_o dicitur_fw-la who_o all_o italy_n can_v not_o equal_a see_v to_o thy_o dishonour_n and_o his_o perdition_n what_o he_o be_v become_v a_o jew_n a_o turk_n a_o apostaâ—a_n forsake_v christ_n and_o all_o christianity_n and_o teach_a circumcition_n and_o polygamy_n or_o pluraliâ—ye_n of_o wife_n a_o doctrine_n where_o sensuality_n diminish_v the_o pleasure_n of_o sense_n and_o thou_o heâ—delberg_n at_o this_o present_a honour_a by_o have_v trans-planted_n in_o thou_o so_o fair_a a_o rose_n ouâ—_n of_o the_o english_a garden_n behold_v here_o once_o thy_o chief_n pastor_n neuserus_fw-la and_o now_o confess_o a_o chief_a instrument_n of_o the_o devil_n from_o who_o as_o from_o one_o by_o supposal_n peculiar_o illuminate_v by_o the_o lord_n thou_o hearetoforâ—_n do_v receive_v thy_o spiritual_a nurrishment_n whoâ—e_v superintendency_n forsooth_o be_v not_o afraid_a in_o the_o use_v open_o to_o blaspheme_v against_o the_o saviour_n of_o the_o world_n and_o to_o turn_v turk_n and_o who_o have_v a_o uncircumcize_v hart_n will_v needs_o carry_v about_o with_o he_o a_o circumcise_v body_n and_o celebrious_a oxford_n the_o goodly_a skryne_n of_o the_o muse_n under_o the_o sun_n how_o can_v thou_o brook_v that_o such_o impure_a imp_n as_o these_o shall_v breathe_v thy_o pure_a air_n or_o can_v thy_o worthy_a and_o noble_a son_n eminent_o endue_v with_o all_o good_a lettar_n endure_v the_o sight_n of_o these_o infidel_n have_v thou_o afore_o be_v persuade_v that_o these_o two_o monster_n who_o very_a soul_n and_o body_n man_n ghostly_a enemy_n seem_v of_o late_a to_o organize_v will_v have_v fall_v into_o these_o blasphemye_n no_o doubt_n thou_o will_v etc._n etc._n d._n reynolds_n stay_v michaeas_n proceed_v no_o further_o you_o have_v speak_v enough_o and_o i_o much_o commend_v your_o christian_a fervour_n herein_o and_o i_o confess_v it_o gaul_o upbraid_v i_o to_o see_v any_o of_o my_o own_o religion_n thus_o to_o apostatate_n from_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n and_o it_o be_v no_o small_a grief_n that_o this_o disputation_n first_o intend_v to_o make_v one_o papist_n a_o good_a protestant_n have_v in_o lieu_n thereof_o make_v two_o protestant_n two_o jew_n or_o turk_n but_o yet_o michaeas_n let_v not_o the_o severity_n of_o your_o censure_n pace_v further_o than_o the_o fault_n extend_v it_o be_v only_a ochinus_n and_o neuserus_fw-la and_o two_o though_o too_o many_o in_o reference_n to_o several_a thousand_o be_v scare_v repute_v a_o number_n who_o thus_o sin_n let_v not_o then_o the_o gospel_n itself_o or_o any_o other_o professor_n of_o it_o be_v insimulate_v by_o you_o within_o this_o atrocity_n and_o crime_n and_o you_o oâ—hinus_n and_o neuserus_fw-la o_o soil_n not_o your self_o with_o this_o so_o foul_a a_o imputation_n but_o see_v wisdom_n only_o judge_v of_o wisdom_n and_o learning_n of_o learning_n so_o let_v your_o learning_n and_o wisdom_n equal_o run_v together_o to_o acknowledge_v he_o for_o your_o redeemer_n who_o be_v the_o source_n of_o all_o wisdom_n learning_n and_o knowledge_n the_o 2._o plenitudinâ—_n eius_fw-la omnes_fw-la accepimus_fw-la your_o sin_n be_v most_o heinous_a and_o dreadful_a yet_o be_v attend_v hereafter_o with_o a_o true_a remorse_n and_o repentance_n be_v remissible_a and_o for_o your_o comfort_n remember_v that_o paul_n the_o apostle_n who_o once_o persecute_v he_o who_o you_o now_o deny_v do_v expiate_v the_o
thomas_n and_o 2._o dominicus_n a_o soto_n full_o dispute_v now_o hear_v we_o be_v to_o conceive_v that_o as_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n do_v cleanse_v we_o from_o all_o sin_n if_o so_o it_o be_v apply_v to_o use_v by_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o penance_n so_o these_o consecrate_a thing_n and_o our_o lord_n prayer_n do_v apply_v his_o blood_n for_o the_o take_v away_o of_o venial_a sin_n from_o he_o who_o be_v in_o state_n of_o grace_n the_o three_o end_n be_v to_o dryve_v away_o wicked_a spirit_n and_o to_o cure_v disease_n as_o appear_v from_o the_o prayer_n by_o which_o they_o be_v consecrate_v never_o the_o less_o we_o be_v heaâ—e_v to_o know_v that_o these_o consecrate_a thing_n do_v not_o any_o work_n these_o effect_n as_o the_o sacrament_n where_o no_o let_n be_v do_v infallible_o work_v their_o effect_n and_o the_o reason_n hear_v of_o be_v because_o these_o consecrate_a thing_n have_v not_o their_o force_n from_o any_o express_a covenant_n make_v by_o god_n as_o the_o acrament_n have_v but_o from_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n and_o denotion_n of_o the_o party_n use_v they_o beside_o sometime_o it_o be_v not_o convenient_a that_o we_o shall_v be_v free_v from_o sickness_n or_o disease_n or_o from_o the_o molestation_n of_o the_o devil_n and_o according_a hearto_fw-la we_o find_v that_o the_o 4._o apostle_n do_v use_v to_o anoint_v the_o sick_a with_o oil_n and_o they_o be_v cure_v in_o like_a sort_n 30._o epiphanius_n relate_v how_o joseph_n by_o holy_a water_n do_v dissolve_v incantation_n and_o magic_n and_o 21._o theodoret_n record_v the_o same_o of_o marcellus_n apameensis_n and_o 19_o palladius_n of_o macharius_fw-la again_o s._n jerome_n testify_v that_o s._n hilarion_n do_v cure_v diverse_a disease_a person_n with_o holy_a bread_n and_o holy_a oil_n the_o like_a do_v s._n 5._o bernard_n s._n 10._o gregory_n witness_v that_o one_o s._n fortunatus_n do_v cure_v one_o of_o a_o break_a thigh_n only_o by_o sprinkle_v holy_a water_n upon_o it_o and_o his_o own_o prayer_n final_o malachiae_fw-la s._n bernard_n affirm_v that_o s._n malachius_fw-la do_v cure_v one_o that_o be_v phâ—anticke_a by_o the_o mean_n of_o holy_a water_n now_o these_o example_n do_v show_v that_o it_o be_v not_o negro_n 〈…〉_z cy_fw-fr as_o the_o protestant_n sometime_o do_v term_v it_o to_o seek_v to_o produce_v with_o the_o help_n of_o prayer_n supernatural_a effect_n by_o apply_v of_o holy_a water_n or_o holy_a oil_n that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n have_v authority_n to_o bless_v creature_n for_o the_o former_a end_n and_o for_o the_o furtherance_n of_o denotien_n be_v prove_v from_o her_o great_a authority_n practise_v in_o change_v the_o sabbath_n day_n from_o saturday_n to_o sunday_n and_o now_o it_o be_v thus_o change_v be_v 〈…〉_z erable_a supra_fw-la which_o point_n by_o the_o confession_n of_o learned_a 4._o protestant_n be_v wrought_v by_o the_o sole_a authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o be_v not_o warrant_v by_o any_o text_n or_o passage_n of_o scripture_n now_o thus_o far_o of_o all_o these_o former_a point_n and_o here_o i_o be_o to_o end_v advertise_v the_o protestant_a reader_n that_o what_o be_v here_o set_v down_o contain_v for_o great_a brevity_n but_o short_a discourse_n of_o the_o say_a controversye_n here_o handle_v and_o assure_v he_o that_o scarce_o the_o five_o part_n of_o the_o prooff_o and_o authority_n draw_v from_o god_n holy_a word_n from_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n from_o the_o practice_n of_o god_n church_n and_o from_o the_o confession_n even_o of_o our_o adversary_n be_v here_o allege_v which_o may_v be_v produce_v in_o warrant_n of_o the_o say_v catholic_n doctrine_n and_o therefore_o i_o refer_v the_o reader_n these_o be_v 〈…〉_z ven_v but_o for_o some_o delibation_n and_o taste_n aforehand_o for_o his_o great_a satisfaction_n to_o the_o many_o learned_a catholic_a treatiâ—es_n write_v upon_o the_o say_a subject_n l._n cheife-iustice_a michaeas_n what_o do_v you_o reply_v hereto_o be_v these_o discourse_n of_o your_o own_o frame_n again_o if_o they_o be_v how_o can_v you_o then_o free_a yourself_o from_o that_o infinite_a wrong_n which_o you_o be_v a_o stranger_n offer_v to_o our_o state_n in_o seek_v thus_o by_o supplant_n the_o gospel_n to_o plant_v your_o own_o false_a religion_n and_o last_o what_o be_v the_o motyves_n induce_v you_o rather_o to_o diwlge_v these_o particular_a doctrine_n then_o diverse_a other_o of_o great_a weight_n and_o consequence_n which_o be_v still_o in_o question_n between_o you_o and_o we_o belike_o there_o be_v some_o reason_n or_o this_o your_o election_n &_o choice_n michaeas_n my_o very_a good_a lord_n i_o will_v answer_v you_o to_o all_o your_o demand_n and_o herein_o my_o tongue_n shall_v be_v a_o true_a interpreter_n of_o my_o hart._n first_o concern_v the_o author_n i_o do_v here_o free_o grant_v i_o be_v the_o man_n who_o pen_v they_o who_o taugh_v they_o and_o who_o through_o god_n grace_n and_o assistance_n will_v be_v ready_a to_o seal_v the_o truth_n of_o they_o if_o need_n shall_v so_o require_v with_o my_o blood_n concern_v the_o choice_n make_v of_o these_o controversye_n among_o many_o other_o of_o as_o great_a or_o great_a importance_n now_o ventilate_v between_o the_o catholic_n and_o the_o protestant_n your_o lordship_n may_v be_v advertise_v that_o the_o true_a reason_n be_v because_o i_o do_v find_v by_o experience_n that_o the_o common_a and_o ignorant_a protestant_n of_o mean_a conceit_n and_o who_o understanding_n be_v usual_o immerse_v in_o sense_n seem_v to_o take_v more_o exception_n at_o these_o catholic_a doctrine_n then_o at_o other_o here_o not_o discourse_v off_o the_o cause_n hereof_o i_o take_v to_o be_v in_o that_o most_o of_o these_o consist_v in_o practice_n and_o consequent_o be_v daily_o subject_a to_o the_o outward_a sense_n whereas_o those_o other_o for_o the_o chief_a part_n do_v lie_v inspeculation_n &_o thereby_o be_v further_o remove_v from_o the_o apprehension_n of_o the_o unlgar_a who_o understand_n herein_o be_v common_o like_a to_o boisterous_a instrument_n unportionable_a and_o insutable_a to_o work_v upon_o any_o fine_a and_o curious_a matter_n for_o i_o grant_v that_o though_o they_o be_v principal_o write_v for_o foam_n student_n of_o the_o university_n of_o good_a talent_n yet_o secondary_o my_o intention_n be_v the_o instruct_n of_o the_o unlearned_a protestant_n in_o the_o say_a catholic_a doctrine_n that_o they_o be_v here_o handle_v so_o brief_o be_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o multiplicity_n of_o the_o question_n each_o of_o which_o if_o it_o be_v at_o large_a dispute_v off_o will_v require_v no_o small_a treatise_n and_o therefore_o i_o have_v rather_o undertake_v to_o set_v down_o beside_o some_o few_o prooff_n of_o they_o the_o true_a state_n of_o every_o such_o catholic_a point_n so_o to_o vindicate_v be_v from_o the_o foul_a mistake_n of_o the_o adversary_n then_o in_o the_o full_a manner_n by_o authority_n to_o confirm_v &_o fortify_v they_o lord_n cheife-iustice_a well_o touch_v these_o two_o former_a point_n you_o have_v answer_v and_o in_o part_n sit_v sâ—yed_v i_o but_o what_o say_v you_o to_o the_o injury_n by_o you_o wrought_v not_o only_o against_o the_o university_n but_o even_o against_o the_o whole_a state_n which_o can_v by_o our_o own_o statute_n and_o decree_n brook_v such_o tumultuous_a proceed_n in_o any_o man_n much_o less_o in_o forayner_n as_o to_o labour_v to_o disjoint_v the_o beautiful_a 〈◊〉_d i_o of_o that_o religion_n which_o the_o whole_a realm_n for_o these_o many_o year_n have_v so_o peaceable_o enjoy_v michaeas_n most_o reverend_a ludge_n give_v i_o leave_v without_o offence_n to_o use_v the_o word_n only_o all_o 〈…〉_z ve_o not_o comparative_o of_o that_o great_a apostle_n who_o like_o myself_o be_v once_o a_o jew_n but_o after_o a_o christian_a neither_o 2d_o against_o the_o law_n nor_o against_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n nor_o against_o caeser_n have_v i_o any_o thing_n offend_v it_o be_v true_a and_o this_o i_o confess_v with_o comfort_n for_o discomfort_n be_v the_o ordinary_a attendant_n of_o a_o faulty_a guiltiness_n that_o i_o much_o labour_v and_o to_o that_o end_n chief_o pen_v these_o short_a discourse_n to_o dissem_fw-la 〈…〉_z eat_v the_o true_a faith_n of_o these_o point_n in_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o scholar_n of_o my_o acquaintance_n and_o why_o may_v i_o not_o since_o the_o value_n of_o a_o a_o 〈…〉_z yleable_a faith_n be_v so_o great_a as_o that_o without_o it_o no_o man_n with_o it_o all_o man_n may_v stand_v grateful_a in_o god_n eye_n sine_fw-la 11._o fide_fw-la impossibile_fw-it est_fw-la placere_fw-la deo_fw-la consider_v my_o l._n the_o price_n but_o of_o one_o soul_n which_o our_o saviour_n have_v ransom_v out_o of_o the_o devil_n hand_n with_o so_o high_a a_o reate_a humiliavit_fw-la 2._o semetipsum_fw-la factus_fw-la obediens_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la mortem_fw
his_o stay_n in_o the_o grave_n three_o day_n jonas_n 2._o his_o resurrection_n psalm_n 15._o and_o 132._o his_o ascension_n psalm_n 109._o final_o to_o omit_v diverse_a other_o lesser_a passage_n the_o descend_v of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n joel._n 2._o thus_o in_o regard_n of_o their_o premise_n i_o do_v full_o acknowledge_v that_o in_o he_o and_o by_o he_o our_o law_n which_o do_v serve_v but_o to_o shadow_v this_o time_n of_o grace_n be_v now_o abrogate_a and_o therefore_o myself_o as_o convince_v with_o so_o many_o irrefragable_a demonstration_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o your_o chistian_a religion_n do_v hereby_o submit_v myself_o to_o the_o sweet_a yoke_n of_o christ_n do_v confess_v myself_o to_o be_v in_o judgement_n and_o belief_n a_o christian_a though_o as_o yet_o but_o a_o analogical_a and_o half_a christian_n and_o with_o reference_n to_o the_o time_n of_o the_o law_n and_o the_o time_n of_o grace_n and_o the_o adumbration_n of_o the_o one_o in_o the_o other_o i_o think_v i_o may_v not_o unfit_o style_v the_o different_a state_n of_o those_o two_o time_n the_o evangelicall_a law_n and_o the_o leviticall_a gospel_n since_o the_o law_n be_v but_o the_o gospel_n prophesy_v the_o gohspel_n the_o law_n complete_a and_o actual_o perform_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n learned_a rabbi_n i_o much_o rejoice_v at_o your_o change_n in_o religion_n and_o indeed_o that_o precise_a correspondency_n which_o yourself_o have_v observe_v between_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o the_o new_a whereby_o you_o may_v see_v the_o apostle_n have_v just_a reason_n to_o say_v 10._o omnia_fw-la in_o figura_fw-la contingebant_fw-la illis_fw-la be_v of_o force_n to_o corroborate_v and_o strengthen_v you_o in_o our_o christian_a faith_n against_o all_o those_o 6._o spirituales_fw-la nequitiae_fw-la or_o any_o other_o contrary_a assault_n for_o now_o you_o see_v that_o the_o mask_n or_o veil_n of_o all_o your_o legal_a sacrifice_n and_o ceremony_n be_v take_v away_o through_o the_o perfect_a consummation_n of_o they_o in_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n therefore_o give_v thanks_o to_o god_n for_o this_o your_o illumination_n and_o confess_v with_o the_o chief_a apostle_n that_o 4._o there_o be_v no_o other_o name_n under_o heaven_n then_o that_o of_o jesus_n give_v unto_o man_n wherein_o we_o may_v be_v save_v d._n whitaker_n it_o be_v most_o true_a which_o my_o lord_n cardinal_n have_v say_v for_o jesus_n christ_n be_v the_o second_o person_n in_o the_o most_o bless_a and_o indivisible_a trinity_n who_o be_v make_v man_n to_o repair_v the_o loss_n of_o the_o first_o man_n who_o die_v to_o the_o end_n we_o shall_v not_o die_v christus_fw-la 9_o semel_fw-la oblatus_fw-la est_fw-la ad_fw-la multorum_fw-la exhaurtenda_fw-la peccata_fw-la have_v humble_v himself_o be_v make_v obedient_a unto_o death_n even_o the_o death_n of_o the_o cross_n for_o 2._o which_o thing_n god_n have_v exalt_v he_o and_o have_v give_v he_o a_o name_n which_o be_v above_o all_o name_n that_o in_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n every_o knee_n shall_v bow_v of_o thing_n in_o heaven_n in_o earth_n and_o under_o the_o earth_n therefore_o he_o be_v to_o be_v your_o cornerstone_n whereupon_o you_o be_v to_o build_v all_o the_o spitituall_a edifice_n of_o your_o soul_n salvation_n and_o comfort_v yourself_o micheas_n with_o this_o that_o though_o only_a the_o isralits_n do_v put_v christ_n to_o death_n yet_o only_o a_o true_a israelite_n be_v a_o true_a christian_a micheas_n all_o this_o i_o constant_o believe_v but_o now_o at_o my_o first_o embrace_v of_o christian_a religion_n one_o main_a difficulty_n do_v mighty_o affrnot_v i_o i_o see_v you_o christian_n though_o you_o do_v all_o militate_v under_o on_o supreme_a captain_n yet_o through_o your_o many_o controversy_n in_o religion_n do_v rest_n divide_v among_o yourselves_o like_o so_o many_o distract_a and_o disorder_a troop_n or_o sqadron_n not_o afford_v salvation_n on_o to_o a_o other_o so_o as_o from_o whence_o i_o be_o depart_v i_o do_v well_o know_v but_o what_o part_n to_o follow_v i_o be_o most_o uncertain_a and_o though_o i_o firm_o believe_v that_o without_o faith_n in_o christ_n a_o man_n can_v be_v save_v yet_o withal_o i_o as_o cnnstant_o believe_v that_o on_o believe_v only_o in_o gross_a in_o christ_n shall_v not_o be_v save_v now_o here_o i_o see_v the_o catholic_a to_o condemn_v the_o protestant_n for_o his_o destroy_n and_o take_v away_o many_o article_n of_o christian_a religion_n to_o wit_n the_o doctrine_n of_o freewill_n of_o purgatory_n of_o pray_v to_o saint_n of_o merit_n of_o work_n and_o to_o omit_v many_o other_o controvert_v point_n the_o real_a presence_n in_o the_o eucharist_n and_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o altar_n and_o for_o such_o proceed_n do_v anathematise_v he_o for_o a_o heretic_n the_o protestant_n on_o the_o other_o side_n for_o the_o catholic_a his_n mantain_v and_o believe_v the_o say_a point_n do_v style_v he_o superstitious_a idolatrous_a and_o as_o on_z whole_o exempt_v from_o all_o hope_n of_o salvation_n and_o in_o these_o matter_n the_o judgment_n of_o the_o protestant_n and_o the_o catholic_a be_v so_o mere_o contrary_a the_o one_o constant_o affirm_v the_o other_o peremptory_o deny_v as_o that_o their_o discord_v belief_n can_v never_o be_v win_v up_o in_o any_o one_o public_a confession_n or_o creed_n here_o now_o my_o divided_a soul_n lick_v the_o dissressed_a prisoner_n who_o have_v break_v the_o jail_n know_v not_o what_o way_n to_o fly_v for_o his_o best_a refuge_n toss_v in_o the_o wave_n of_o such_o contrary_a doctrine_n be_v ignorant_a towards_o what_o shore_n to_o sail_v if_o i_o be_v a_o protestant_n i_o can_v be_v no_o catholic_a if_o a_o catholic_a i_o be_o no_o protestant_n the_o on_o i_o can_v but_o be_v both_o i_o can_v be_v that_o threaten_v to_o i_o the_o brand_n of_o heresy_n this_o of_o superstition_n and_o idolatry_n o_o god_n that_o the_o fragrant_a rose_n of_o christian_a religion_n shall_v be_v thus_o beset_v on_o all_o side_n with_o the_o sharp_a prick_n of_o these_o unplease_a disagreement_n but_o this_o force_v i_o to_o remember_v those_o word_n of_o a_o ancient_a doctor_n ut_fw-la in_o tertul._n pessimis_fw-la aliquid_fw-la boni_fw-la sic_fw-la in_o optimis_fw-la nonnihil_fw-la mali_fw-la cardinal_n bellarmine_n true_a it_o be_v that_o there_o be_v many_o difference_n in_o christian_a religion_n and_o each_o good_a man_n grief_n be_v hereby_o the_o great_a for_o whereas_o contention_n in_o other_o thing_n raise_v the_o estimation_n and_o value_n of_o they_o contention_n about_o faith_n in_o a_o vulgar_a eye_n lesn_v it_o but_o these_o you_o be_v to_o conceive_v micheas_n take_v their_o course_n not_o from_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n for_o it_o be_v but_o one_o una_fw-la 4._o fides_fw-la unum_fw-la baptisma_fw-la but_o from_o the_o elation_n and_o height_n of_o private_a judgement_n which_o blush_v not_o to_o advance_v themselves_o above_o all_o authority_n both_o divine_a and_o humane_a therefore_o micheas_n the_o better_a to_o free_v you_o from_o all_o those_o labyrinth_n of_o opinion_n which_o otherwaise_v may_n more_o easy_o illaquiate_v and_o entangle_v you_o build_v your_o faith_n in_o all_o inferior_a point_n of_o christian_a religion_n principal_o upon_o god_n sacred_a word_n as_o it_o be_v propound_v and_o interpret_v by_o christ_n his_o church_n and_o to_o her_o repair_n in_o all_o your_o doubt_n since_o christ_n himself_o have_v vouchsafe_v to_o warrant_v this_o proceed_n in_o these_o word_n dic_fw-la 18._o ecclesiae_fw-la et_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la non_fw-la audieret_fw-la sit_fw-la tibi_fw-la sicut_fw-la ethnicus_fw-la et_fw-la publicanus_fw-la reverence_n eclesiasticall_a tradition_n which_o be_v derive_v through_o a_o continue_a hand_n of_o time_n even_o from_o the_o apostle_n id_fw-la tertul._n ab_fw-la initio_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n for_o it_o be_v true_a that_o we_o catholic_n do_v believe_v some_o thing_n without_o scripture_n but_o it_o be_v as_o true_a that_o all_o sectary_n believe_v their_o error_n against_o scripture_n read_v the_o general_n counsel_n with_o who_o christ_n be_v ever_o present_a for_o he_o have_v promise_v when_o but_o two_o 18._o or_o three_o be_v geather_v together_o in_o his_o name_n much_o more_o when_o several_a hundred_o he_o well_o be_v in_o the_o midst_n with_o they_o and_o observe_v the_o heresy_n condemn_v in_o they_o peruse_v the_o write_n of_o the_o primative_a father_n and_o remember_v that_o sentence_n interroga_fw-la 4._o de_fw-la diebus_fw-la antiquis_fw-la assure_v yourself_o that_o the_o doctrine_n joint_o teach_v by_o they_o be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o faith_n first_o teach_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n final_o square_v your_o religion_n according_a to_o the_o uninterrupt_a practice_n of_o god_n church_n which_o the_o apostle_n himself_o for_o our_o great_a security_n have_v honour_v with_o the_o title_n of_o columna_fw-la 3_o et_fw-la firmamentum_fw-la veritatis_fw-la and_o thus_o you_o shall_v forbear_v to_o imitate_v those_o man_n who_o think_v to_o
by_o our_o adversary_n doctrine_n as_o a_o part_n of_o the_o same_o note_n but_o how_o can_v it_o be_v know_v whether_o the_o word_n though_o true_o preach_v be_v true_o hear_v and_o believe_v with_o a_o final_a perseverance_n so_o far_o distant_a be_v this_o pretend_a note_n from_o be_v for_o our_o direction_n a_o true_a note_n of_o the_o church_n an_o other_o argument_n for_o the_o impugn_n of_o the_o protestant_n former_a note_n may_v be_v this_o the_o scripture_n itself_o can_v be_v make_v know_v to_o we_o to_o be_v scripture_n but_o by_o the_o attestation_n of_o the_o church_n for_o as_o for_o that_o sentence_n which_o teach_v that_o the_o majesty_n and_o voice_n of_o god_n which_o appear_v in_o the_o scripture_n or_o the_o private_a spirit_n judge_v of_o it_o assâ—eth_v we_o which_o be_v true_a scripture_n it_o be_v a_o explode_a error_n see_v one_o man_n be_v persuade_v he_o find_v in_o those_o book_n which_o himself_o admit_v for_o scripture_n that_o majesty_n and_o voice_n of_o god_n the_o which_o very_a book_n for_o want_v of_o the_o say_v suppose_v voice_n or_o majesty_n a_o other_o man_n utter_o reject_v as_o apocryphil_n and_o in_o like_a sort_n the_o private_a spirit_n of_o this_o man_n embrace_v such_o book_n as_o canonical_a the_o which_o book_n the_o private_a spirit_n of_o a_o other_o absolute_o discanoneth_n now_o this_o be_v grant_v it_o from_o hence_o inevitable_o result_v that_o first_o we_o must_v know_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n to_o give_v this_o approbation_n of_o the_o scripture_n before_o we_o can_v know_v which_o be_v the_o scripture_n and_o much_o more_o then_o before_o we_o can_v be_v assure_v which_o be_v the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o sincere_a construction_n or_o sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n now_o that_o our_o know_v which_o be_v scripture_n proceed_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n i_o first_o prove_v not_o only_o from_o s._n austin_n who_o say_v n_o actibus_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la necesse_fw-la est_fw-la i_o credere_fw-la si_fw-la câ—edo_fw-la euangelio_fw-la 5_o quoniam_fw-la utramque_fw-la scripturam_fw-la similiter_fw-la mihi_fw-la catholiea_n commendat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la but_o also_o from_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o our_o learned_a adversary_n who_o word_n in_o their_o write_n to_o this_o purpose_n be_v most_o plentiful_a i_o will_v content_v myself_o refer_v the_o reader_n to_o the_o reference_n of_o other_o 201._o at_o this_o time_n with_o peter_n martyr_n and_o m._n hooker_n peter_n martyr_n thus_o write_v we_o 6._o acknow_v ledge_n it_o to_o be_v the_o function_n of_o the_o church_n see_v it_o be_v endue_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o it_o shall_v discern_v the_o true_a and_o proper_a book_n of_o scripture_n m._n hooker_n more_o full_o 〈…〉_z the_o hear_v of_o say_v 86._o of_o thing_n necessary_a the_o very_o chief_a be_v to_o know_v what_o book_n we_o be_v to_o 〈◊〉_d â—â—ly_o which_o point_n be_v confess_v impossible_a for_o the_o scripture_n itself_o to_o teach_v etc._n etc._n for_o 102._o of_o any_o book_n of_o scripture_n do_v geus_a testimony_n to_o â—ll_o et_fw-fr stiâ—_n that_o scripture_n which_o gen_v credit_n to_o the_o rest_n world_n require_v â—n_v other_o scripture_n to_o gâ—ue_v credit_n unto_o it_o neither_o can_v we_o come_v to_o any_o paâ—se_n when_o reon_o to_o rest_n unless_o beside_o scripture_n there_o be_v something_o which_o may_v assur_n us._n which_o thing_n m._n hockeâ—man_n other_o place_n articulat_o term_v the_o 146._o authority_n of_o god_n church_n thus_o say_v we_o all_o know_v the_o 〈◊〉_d outward_a motyve_a lead_a man_n to_o esteem_v of_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n now_o if_o by_o these_o learned_a man_n conâ—ession_n the_o church_n have_v authority_n to_o propownd_v to_o we_o which_o book_n present_v for_o scripture_n be_v true_a scripture_n and_o which_o be_v apocryâ—_n hall_n and_o spurious_a then_o follow_v it_o that_o the_o church_n have_v in_o like_a sort_n authority_n to_o propownd_v to_o we_o which_o be_v the_o true_a and_o pure_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n since_o the_o one_o be_v as_o necessary_a to_o we_o as_o the_o other_o for_o it_o advantage_v we_o little_a to_o know_v which_o be_v the_o undoubted_a book_n of_o scripture_n if_o so_o we_o know_v not_o which_o be_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n now_o out_o of_o the_o premise_n i_o demonstrative_o conclude_v that_o see_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o otherwise_o we_o be_v teach_v which_o â—ookes_v of_o scripture_n be_v canonical_a and_o consequent_o which_o be_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o say_a scripture_n that_o therefore_o the_o church_n be_v fâ—ster_n in_o odeâ—_n of_o knowledge_n to_o we_o then_o either_o the_o scripture_n or_o the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n be_v not_o nor_o can_v be_v apprehend_v to_o be_v a_o note_n to_o we_o to_o find_v thearby_o which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n since_o than_o it_o will_v follow_v a_o absurdity_n incompatible_a with_o all_o true_a discourse_n of_o reason_n that_o a_o thing_n which_o to_o we_o be_v late_a know_v shall_v be_v a_o note_n to_o we_o of_o that_o which_o by_o we_o be_v first_o know_v an_o other_o argument_n may_v be_v draw_v from_o the_o nature_n of_o every_o true_a note_n which_o ought_v to_o be_v so_o peculiar_a to_o that_o of_o which_o it_o be_v a_o note_n as_o that_o it_o can_v be_v apply_v in_o the_o judgement_n of_o other_o to_o it_o more_fw-mi contrary_n but_o we_o see_v different_a sectarye_n teach_v contrary_a doctryne_n and_o profess_v themselves_o to_o be_v member_n of_o different_a church_n do_v all_o nevertheless_o promiscuous_o challenge_v the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o the_o use_n of_o the_o sacrement_n to_o be_v the_o note_n of_o their_o so_o much_o discord_v church_n or_o conventicle_n and_o therefore_o the_o afore_o name_v lubbertus_n thus_o true_o pronounce_v of_o this_o point_n 202._o praedicatio_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la communicatio_fw-la &_o similia_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la essentiam_fw-la non_fw-la attingunt_fw-la sunt_fw-la enim_fw-la haereticorum_fw-la converticulis_fw-la &_o veris_fw-la christianorum_fw-la ecclesiâ—s_fw-la communia_fw-la the_o preach_v of_o the_o word_n the_o distribution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o such_o like_a do_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o church_n since_o these_o thing_n be_v common_a both_o to_o the_o conventicle_n of_o heretic_n and_o to_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christian_n and_o according_a hearto_fw-la we_o find_v by_o experience_n that_o lutheran_n protestant_n and_o puritan_n theach_v most_o repugnante_fw-la doctrine_n do_v wartant_a these_o their_o doctrine_n by_o the_o former_a note_n of_o preach_v the_o word_n and_o therefore_o it_o from_o hence_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v no_o less_o a_o madness_n in_o our_o adversary_n to_o prescrybe_n the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n and_o the_o use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n for_o the_o note_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v common_a to_o all_o heretical_a conventicle_n at_o least_o in_o their_o own_o opinion_n then_o for_o one_o who_o will_v discover_v and_o note_v out_o one_o particular_a man_n from_o all_o other_o to_o distinguish_v he_o from_o they_o by_o say_v it_o be_v he_o who_o have_v two_o eye_n one_o nose_n one_o mouth_n two_o arm_n etc._n etc._n since_o these_o note_n or_o description_n be_v common_a to_o all_o man_n in_o general_n again_o i_o thus_o dispute_v a_o true_a note_n of_o any_o thing_n ought_v to_o be_v at_o all_o time_n without_o discontinuance_n a_o note_n theareof_o and_o not_o sometime_o only_o since_o otherwise_o it_o be_v but_o a_o temporary_a note_n but_o there_o have_v be_v a_o church_n of_o god_n even_o then_o when_o there_o be_v no_o scripture_n at_o all_o much_o less_o any_o preach_n or_o interpretation_n of_o the_o word_n therefore_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n can_v be_v erect_v as_o a_o true_a note_n of_o the_o church_n the_o assumption_n of_o this_o argument_n be_v manifest_a for_o it_o be_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n continue_v two_o thousand_o year_n before_o moses_n his_o time_n without_o any_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o d._n parkins_n true_o thus_o say_v morse_n 133._o be_v the_o first_o pennman_n of_o holy_a scripture_n with_o who_o agree_v 133_o zanchius_n d._n 583._o whitaker_n and_o all_o other_o learned_a man_n whosoever_o again_o after_o moses_n have_v pen_v the_o scripture_n it_o remain_v only_o in_o the_o custody_n of_o the_o jew_n and_o be_v among_o they_o for_o many_o year_n lose_v as_o it_o be_v grant_v even_o by_o the_o marginal_a annotation_n of_o the_o english_a bibles_n of_o the_o year_n 1576._o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o 34._o it_o be_v either_o by_o the_o negligence_n of_o the_o priest_n lose_v or_o by_o the_o wickedness_n of_o idolatreu_n king_n and_o yet_o even_o in_o those_o time_n job_n and_o