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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

that thou car'st oppose him who said they was called of men Master have the chiefest places in the Assemblies stand praying in the Sinagogues and thus he shews to the multitude how they may be known and here thou art known and seen who would justifie that which Christ cried against in thy ambition and saith you have not cause to reject those things he cried woe against as to be called of men Master and have the chiefest places in the Assemblies those things spoke Jesus to the multitude and the multitude seeing his word as thou may'st read in Mat. 23. if you will own the Scriptures to be truth and thou bring'st Philip and the Goalor came to Paul and Silas and said Sirs and these words thou bring'st to oppose Christs words who said be ye not called of men Masters And here thou declar'st rhy self to be an open Antichrist who opposes Christ I charge thee in the presence of the Lord for Christ saith be not ye called of men Master for ye have one Master even Christ and all ye are Brethren and thou bring'st the Goalors words to oppose Christ Acts 16.30 Christs Doctrine denied to be called of men Master Object And thou sayest That in Mat. 23. those words will stand us in no steed which were Christs words Rep. Here thou dost say Christs words will stand us in no stead thou deniest his Doctrine and teacheth for Doctrine the Traditions of men and there thou shewest another Doctrine which is damnable and cursed Object And thou sayest The title of Mastery is a civil respect and importts a civil honour Rep. Here thou shewest the Master thou serves who denies the Doctrine of Christ and how canst thou believe which seeks honour of another Object And whereas thou sayest It is a meer slander to speak against them who have the chiefest places in the Assemblies and art called of men Master Rep. Here thou might'st as well call Christ a slanderer who spoke against all those things which thou seek'st to justifie in the sight of the world but in the sight of God is condemned and of all who are of God and by them thou art judged Object And whereas thou sayest The Apostle saith giving honour go one before another Rep. What hast thou to do to talk of the Apostle who denies the same teaching to be now as was then for the condition we own which must be honoured But thou hast declared thou never heard'st Gods voice nor waits for it and so declares thy self to be a Heathen that knows not God to whom he will render vengeance in flam●s of fire and that is not honoured of God nor none of his but we honour all men in the Lord. Obj. And whereof thou accusest us of destroying relation Reply All such relations as is contrary to Christ and his Doctrine we d●ny And who would take the ●itle from Christ to be called of men Master and layest thou wilt not reject it h●re thou shews forth thy presumption to be called of m●n Master let all people see if you own that Christ which the Scripture sp●aks of who forbad it Mat 23. Bu● you would take the title from him who art for destruction who shews that Christ never sent thee for if he had you would abide in his Doctrine which thou dost deny and who takes the Apos●l●s words to just●fie that to oppose Christs words who spoke to them that were in the state of servants and Masters Earth makes Masters but the time will come as with the Master so with the servant he that can receive it let him as Philemon Paul's doctrine to him who can receive it may Quer. 19. Whether a man shall ●v●r grow up that he need no man teach him under your Ministery yea or no seeing the Apostle saith You need no man teach you and you which have been long teachers how many have you brought up in this condition Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou sayest Such opposition as excludes all humane helps you do confess That no man is ever like to grow up so high Reply Here thou art not so far as some of thy fellows for they deny humane helps though they be in the same nature that t●ou art in and he that grows up in perfection grows out of ignorance and humane helps the Ap●stles said they knew all things but this thou hast denyed and calls it an hyperbolyc●l expression Obj. And thou sayest they may grow in a sence under teaching of Ministers among you to know all the truths of the Gospel and yet thou denyes immediate inspiration and the same teaching ●ow as was then and yet thou sayest in a comparative sence they may not need teachers Reply This is thy sence who hast denied the Doctrine of C●●●●nd thy confused stuff which comes out of thy bottle and Peters Ex●ortation and Pauls thou hast chared thy self from for thou sayest the same t●●chings are not now ●s w●re 〈◊〉 and th● Church of Christ we d●●●●itness to be he p●liar and ground 〈◊〉 truth which you ha●e c●ared your selves from and ●●om the Teachers Past●●s and Elders of it who s●i●● there is none such now as were th●● wh● would mak● truth changeable and 〈◊〉 thou art a 〈◊〉 in thy own g●n●ra●ion who knows not God manifested in flesh just●fi●d inspirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world Obj. And you say you have answered our questions agreeable to the Scriptures Reply There is another lye let the reader read them and prove whether thou hast not spoken contrary to the Scriptures and all thy consequences and sences are contradicted with us and den●●d and trampled upon with all knowing Christians who are in Christ and thou art he whose desire is to destroy the Scriptures who would subvert the faith of the Gosp●l who leads people captive after thy own delusions who hast denied Pastors teachers and Officers now as in the time of the Aposti●s and here you have cleared your selves to be no Pastors no E●●●rs no Offic●rs but a likeness or an imag● which Go● forb●ds for thou sayest there is not any suc● Officers P●stor and teachers as was then then you are 〈◊〉 ●alse and to b● denyed who are contrary to the Scriptures for with it you are proved and with the life judged and your prayers we d●ny for God hath opened our eyes by which 〈…〉 you del●●ed poor creatures who are thus sold under d●●usion as thou 〈…〉 and Gods E●ection thou knows noth●ng of but are s●a●●d and ●●p 〈◊〉 by the Devil who art led captive for the present after his will this all who are in the Eternal light there will thee see ANd Eaton thou saith these things thou hast pres●nted for this end and purpose to obstruct their way and stop their further proceedings that their imposture might prevail no longer Here thou hast digged a pit and art fallen into it and laid a snare and art taken I take all the children of light

speaks from heaven whose voice shakes the earth so thou knows nothing of salvation but by heresay and here thou shewest thy self to be a false Prophet that takes the Saints words and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and doth confess that the Jews said Moses heard his voice and among the Jews thou art who persecutes the truth Object And thou sayest Such an inspiration which is immediately received from God we have not received neither do we wait for it Rep. Here thou hast cleared thy self that thou hast not received the Spirit of God but art in the spirit of errour for the Scripture was given us by inspiration and by immediate inspiration of the same Spirit are understood again and from this thou hast cleared thy self and from the life of all the holy men of God and sayest thou dost neither look nor wait to receive such an immediate voice nor such an insp●ration and here thou shewest thy self to be a natural man and one of the dumb Prophets that hath not a word from the Lord but an imposture thou accusest them thou call Quakers withal and art a deceiver but those words they deny and Wonders and Miracles and Signs are amongst them but your adulteress generation could never believe Object And thou sayest the Querie strikes at all preachings but what immediately proceeds from the suggestion of the Spirit and this thou sayest is the ven●m and poyson of the Query Rep. And here again thou clearest thy self to be no Minister of the Spirit but art in the suggestions of Satan and counts that venom and poyson the immediate preaching of the Spirit to thee it is poyson but it must dash thee to pieces and thou through many words would blind the people who utters them forth without knowledg and so a fool is known Object And thou sayest the word of old which was spoken by the Prophets and this is a more sure word then any immediate word Rep. There thou hast cleared thy self from the immediate Word who art built upon a rotten foundation which is not immediate and would clear the Prophets from this immediate word to make them like thy self who sayes and calls this a more sure word of Prophecy then any immediate word Here thou goest about to make the word and Prophecy not an immediate word and shews thy self to be a dreamer Object And thou sayest consequently God did not intend immediate teaching not to give out an immediate voice in after ages which should airect and guide men in the wayes of salvation Rep. And here again I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and a blasphemer who would limit God and would be his Counsellour and yet sayes thou never waits to hear his voice and not come so far● as to be a Minister of the letter who would have it kept in store and saith it is a precious treasure God saith he will power out his Spirit upon al fl●sh in the latter dayes his sons and his daughters shall prophecy and thou deniest immediate teaching and so denies the spirit of the Lord which guides in the way of salvation which thou denies and thou hast denied that thou last heard any Voice from God neither dost thou wait for it And here thou denies thy self to be taught of God for all the children of the Lord are taught of the Lord and they that are taught of him hears his voice which thou denies and shews thy self to be a stranger from God and Christ Object And thou sayest there must not be a waiting for a new immediate word Rep. Here thou shewest thy self that thou knowest not the immediate word and this immediate word thou hast cleared thy self from which gave forth the letter and would keep others from waiting for the receiving of it and speak of a word spoken to you though not immediately and if not immediately it is carnal Object And thou bringest Paul who said Well spoke the Holy Ghost by Isaiah He did not say well spoke the Holy Ghost to me but to Isaiah Rep. Here thou would'st make people believe that the Apostle had not the Holy Ghost which opened to him all those words which Isaiah spoke for without the Holy Ghost he could not understand his words nor never shalt thou Object Thou sayest it was Gods word to Isaiah which he made use of against the people to whom he spake though not Gods word to him immediately Rep. And here thou shewest that thou neither knows Gods Word nor his immediate teaching who sits as a Judg upon Isaiah's condition Silence flesh for thou art for judgment and destruction and would make people believe that Isaiah was one of them that used his tongue Query 8. Whether a man shall overcome the body of sin while he is upon the earth yea or no Ans● And in thy answer thou said'st no. 〈◊〉 The Apostle said yea they were not in the flesh but 〈…〉 and he thanked God they were made free from sin 〈…〉 put off the body of sin and become servants of righteousness And here thou shewest thy self to have a lying Spirit 〈◊〉 to the Scripture which thou boastest to be thy rule and so thou brings the Saints weaknesses as they passed the warture to maintain thy own Kingdom of Sin and when John and the Apostle Paul speaks plainly of overcoming the world and Body of Sin thou speakest of a sense of overcoming as though they did not speak truth and so art giving an interpretation to their words who art in the lying Generation and for the warfare which the Apostles speaks of the Saints witnessed and do witness it and witnesses a Victory over the Body of Sin and are not alwayes in the warfare for whil'st ye are in the warfare there is no peace but they that overcome witnesses peace and joy in the Holy Ghost For he that is born of God doth not commit sin neither can he sin because his seed remains in him And here the warfare is ended who witness this and the Victory over the Body of Sin and are not si●ly women alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth but in that Generation thou art leading silly women captive alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth keeping them alwayes in their sins and pleading for thy own Kingdome which is the Kingdome of the Devil for he that commits sin is of the Devil which thou so plead'st for Query 9. Whether you do preach no other Doctrine but what the Apostles did that which was from the beginning which we have heard which we have seen with our eyes which w● have looked upon and our hands have handled of the Word o● Life for this Life is made manifest and we have seen it an● bear witness and shew it unto you Ans And in your answer to this Query you say That yo● aim at nothing but exalting Christ and you should have a

Object And whereas thou sayest we are against that which the Saints used Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lyar for the Saints practises we own but thy performances we deny Object And thou sayest we might be convinced that you are not in the condition of the Jews hours and prayers Rep. We find you in the same nature though under another colour and enemies to Christ Object And thou brings Acts 3. Rep. That will fit and maintain thee in the Jews estate all people take notice the Apostles did not go up to uphold the Jews hours and prayers but to bring them off those things and here thou hast uttered forth thy folly Object And thou sayest They strike at godliness Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of God to be a lyar Object And whereas thou sayest If they can but destroy all forms the power will fall with it Rep. And here thou hast uttered forth thy folly indeed and blasphemy as though the form was before the power and here thou hast shewed thou hast no power but the form as the Apostles speaks of so thou plead'st for daies and hours and moneths which the Apostles speaks against And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Doctrine of the Apostles and the Lords day we own f●r all is the Lords and the Saints meeting we own but thine we do deny who denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles meeting the first day of the week and worship of God who denies immediate inspiration and hearing Gods voice and denies immediate teaching for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth and that thou canst not who denies immediate teaching thou hast got a likeness of a Church and so imitates the Apostles meetings the first day of the week and so hast got the form and not the power and because the Saints meet on the first day from their words thou gathers likeness which is forbidden and what Scriptures hast thou that it is named the Lords day when the Supper is nominated the Supper of the Lord we own and the day of the Lord but thou knowest nothing of the Supper of the Lord nor the day Obj. And in thy answer thou would'st make people believe we deny prayer Rep. And in that thou art a lyar and what hast thou to do to talk of Abraham and holy men of God who denies hearing the Voice of God and denies immediate Inspiration which the holy men of God witnessed Object And thou talk'st of Jacob purging away the Idols and reforming his family Rep. O man look at home and pu●ge away the Idols from thy self for David and Jacob we own and do witness and the Saints will not deny prayers but such as thine who prayest and never heard the Voice of God nor immediate inspiration as thou hast confest it and dost not look for it and what good will all thy prayers do thee evening and morning we witness the Apostles words pray alwayes and praise with the spirit and understanding Here thou hast shewed thy self as the Priests of Baal who cut themselves who fasts and yet thou sayest let us seek Gods face in prayer and denies hearing Gods Voice Query 17. Whether do you not seduce the people to draw them from the anoynting within them when John saith They need no man to teach them but as the anoynting and the promise was eternal life to him that did abide in the anoynting Ans In thy answer to this Query thou sayest the word that Christ preached was outward Rep. And here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for he said the word which he spoke was spirit and life and here thou draws people from the anointing to the Satanical delusion as thou calls it and publishes lies Obj. And thou sayest John's Ministry was outward and yet he came in the spirit and power Reply What confused stuff is this Here I charge thee again to be a lyar John's teaching we witness and Christs teaching we witness and deny thine which is outward and thou must needs be there for thou denyes immediate inspiration who draws people from the inward to the outward Here thou shews what thou art if there had been no reply and who puts no difference betwixt ears for there are ears and hears not and there are ears which hear and here thou shews thy self to be a false prophet who saith they are seduced which are drawn from the external means which is earthly let all people see if you be not that wi●ch that the Scripture speaks of that bewithed the Galatians in drawing them from the spirit within to observe circumcision without them who draws to the external who saith to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any word is delusion Here thou goes about to make the Word and the Spirit two Obj. And thou sayest One was newly redeemed out of the hellish captivity Reply He is fit to be Ambassador of thy Church a drunkard one of thy redeemed ones There was a Warrant granted out against him for drunkenness fence he was redeemed as thou calls it Obj. And thou pleads much for mans teaching Reply Here thou shews plainly that thou art a Minister made by the will of man when Paul declares that he was not made a Minister by the will of man but by the will of God and here thou hast cleared thy self plainly from being a Minister made by the Will of God or taught of him Obj. And thirdly thou sayest The words You need not any man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you is an byperbolycal expression Reply Here I charge thee again to pervert the Apostles words Obj. And thou sayest the Apostle tells them they knew all things and thou sayest is is an excessive speech Reply And so thou goes about to make the Apostle a lyar and are giving a meaning to his words and wouldest give a comparative senc● as thou callest it to it and here thou shewest openly that thou dost both add wrest and pervert the Apostles words who shews thy self openly to be deceived who art giving private interpretations to the Scripture when the Scripture saith there is none and thou art perverting the Lords words who saith they shall all know him from the greatest to the least they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least of them saith the Lord. Obj. And thou sayest there is no such measure of the spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here Reply Here thou high blasphemer hast denyed the everlasting Covenant of God and while thou art there thou shalt never know it Obj. And thou sayest there is no such Scripture as to abide in the anointing that the Promise was Eternal life to him that did Reply And here thou dost neither understand the anointing nor the