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A86328 The foundation of the font discovered to the view of all that desire to behold it. And, the baptizing of men and women when they believe (in rivers and fountains) proved to be a standing ordinance in the Church of Cchrist to the end of the world; by plain Scripture-proof. In answer to Mr. Cook's Font uncovered, for infant-baptism; and Mr. Baxter's Plain Scripture-proof for infants church-membership and baptism. With a word sometimes upon occasion to Mr. Hall's Font-guarded; which is more fully answered by Thomas Collyer. By Henry Haggar, a servant of Christ, and the congregations of his saints. Haggar, Henry. 1653 (1653) Wing H186; Thomason E711_1; ESTC R207114 109,478 143

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wickedness_n lie_v and_o deceit_n use_v in_o they_o baptise_v or_o engraft_v member_n into_o the_o church_n of_o england_n yea_o such_o lie_a and_o deceit_n as_o all_o man_n may_v see_v if_o they_o be_v not_o wilful_o blind_a therefore_o now_o let_v all_o man_n take_v heed_n henceforward_o how_o they_o satisfy_v themselves_o with_o such_o frothy_a stuff_n with_o such_o lie_v and_o deceit_n instead_o of_o the_o truth_n of_o jesus_n christ_n which_o be_v able_a to_o save_v their_o soul_n that_o cleave_v to_o it_o and_o contend_v earnest_o for_o it_o but_o all_o liar_n &_o whosoever_o do_v either_o love_n or_o make_v lie_n shall_v have_v their_o part_n in_o that_o lake_n that_o burn_v with_o fire_n and_o brimstone_n which_o be_v the_o second_o death_n see_v rev._n 21.8_o with_o chap._n 22.15_o but_o now_o the_o great_a objection_n by_o which_o man_n think_v to_o save_v themselves_o from_o the_o guilt_n of_o all_o this_o evil_a be_v this_o o_o say_v they_o but_o we_o have_v lay_v aside_o the_o common-prayer-book_n and_o we_o will_v no_o long_o own_o the_o thing_n therein_o contain_v answ_n then_o it_o seem_v you_o grant_v that_o it_o be_v not_o of_o god_n but_o of_o satan_n and_o therefore_o you_o have_v lay_v it_o aside_o for_o if_o it_o be_v of_o god_n it_o be_v your_o grievous_a sin_n to_o lay_v it_o a_o side_n and_o not_o practise_v it_o for_o you_o and_o i_o and_o all_o christian_n aught_o to_o lay_v down_o our_o life_n for_o the_o truth_n of_o christ_n rather_o than_o let_v it_o be_v lay_v aside_o 2._o but_o have_v you_o lay_v aside_o your_o baptism_n that_o you_o have_v by_o the_o common-prayer-book_n i_o speak_v to_o all_o you_o that_o be_v 16_o or_o 20_o year_n of_o age_n and_o upward_o if_o you_o have_v not_o