who they are that God will glorifie his Justice in their Damnation We must call all to come but God may give Pardon Grace and Glory to whom he will Shall not God do what he will with his own Yes surely Are not you rather Rigid Mr. Grantham That tell the People God hath the same Love to all as to some and also that Christ Died for all and every Individual Man and Woman in the World And yet declares that the greatest part of the World tho Christ died for them shall perish Oh! horrible and wicked that you should speak thus of Christ and undervalue his Death and Merits at such a rate Repent of this your wickedness and pray God to forgive you And utterly explode such a base opinion for what comfort can there be in this your General Notion That Christ died for all and yet most of these may perish and be damn'd I say abhor this opinion and pray God to give you a Heart to believe that all that Christ died for in truth Intentionally for to save shall all of them be saved John 6.37 38 39. and 10.16 Secondly You bid us explode and abhor that wretched Article of the Assembly of Divines where they say that God did from all Eternity freely and unchangeably Decree whatsoever comes to pass 1. Were you any thing of a sound man and did understand Gods Word aright you would not object against this Article that is so plainly proved in the Scripture But oh how Ignorant are you or make your self so of Gods holy Word 2. Don't you think If you don 't you may that you are a wretched man for Quarrelling with the Truth Oh! tremble before the Lord for Quarrelling with his pure unerring word and do so no more but submit to the Truth and receive it in the Love of it And maintain Errors no longer The Lord grant you may do so And become a Lover of the Truth in sincerity I shall now conclude all with a short word of caution to the Christian Reader I do heartily in the name of the Lord admonish thee to have a care of Errors and of all those that do hold and maintain them Take the Apostles advice 1 John 1.1 2. Not to believe every Spirit but try every Spirit whether they be of God or no and the way to do this is by the Holy Word of God with Care and Diligence John 5.39 Acts 17.11 1 Thes 5.21 22. and Rev. 2.2 3. Now the good Lord teach you and guide you in the way of Holiness which shall be my Prayer to God for you whilst I Live The Lord give you understanding in all things FINIS Words Preached by Thomas Grantham in his Meeting-Place in the City of Norwich and attested by John Pitcher of the said City which are as followeth viz. Imprimis That every Man fell in Adam this is true and Christ died to Redeem every individual Man and Woman in the World and if not so we were lest in a worse condition than tho Devil and if all have not benefit by his Death then they whom he died not for have as little reason to thanks God as the Beast has the Grazier that seeds him up to the Slaughter c. Reader THese few Lines were thought fit by some Persons of Note to be published which accordingly are and I do heartily wish that Mr. Grantham would learn more Wisdom for time come and not speak so wickedly I can call it no other as he hath done for he speaks quite contrary to the currant of the Holy Scriptures be they compared one with another which indeed is the way to understand them c. I am also credibly told that you called the. Doctrine of Election and Reprobation in your Pulpit damnable Doctrine c. and one that heard you came to your house to tell you of it being troubled about it and you denied it which he then made manifest to your Face and then you said these words viz. between You and I I do say it is Damnable Doctrine c. Oh horrible that ever you should speak such a word as this is the Lord help you now to amend and all of us what we have done amiss in any kind and to do better for time to come My Prayer shall be to God for you to give you true wisdom in the Mysteries of his Will contained in his Holy Word Vale. Testes Mich. Hosbun John Fenn Miles Matthews A Catalogue of Books Printed for and are to be Sold by Edward Giles Bookseller in Norwich near the Market-Place SEveral Discourses concerning Actual Providence A word in Season Defensive Armour against four of Satans most fiery Darts Sermons upon the whole first and second Chapter of Canticles Thirteen Sermons upon several useful Subjects All published by John Collins D. D. of Norwich The way of the Spirit in bringing Souls to Christ The Glory of Christ set forth with the necessity of Faith in several Sermons Both by Mr. Thomas Allen late Pastor of a Church at Norwich Enoch's Walk with God and Christ a Christians Gain by Mr Timothy Armitage late Minister at Norwich A Discourse of the preciousness of Christ and of the preciousness of Faith Precious Promises the Portion of Overcomers Sermons on the five several useful Subjects all by Mr. John Lougher Minister in Norfolk The Saints Ebenezer by Mr. Francis English late Minister in Norwich Directions to spell English right The History of the Protestant Reformation as it was begun by Luther The Dead Saints speaking being a Sermon Preached upon the Death of Mr. Newcomb of Deadham in Essex The English Presbyterian The Miracles of Christ The ordinary matter of Prayer drawn into Questions and Answers Two Treatises the first of Rejoycing in the Lord Jesus in all Cases and Conditions The second of a Christians Hope in Heaven and Freedom from Condemnation by Christ both by Robert Asty late Minister of Jesus Christ in Norwich Obedience to Magistrates recommended in a Sermon preached September the 9th 1683. being the thanksgiving Day for his Majesties Deliverance By Jonathan Clapham Rector of â—ramplingham in Norfolk Infant Baptism of Chist's Appointment By Mr. Samuel Peito Minister of the Gospel in Sudbury in Suffolk Of the Conversion of Sinners to God in Christ the necessity nature means and signs of it with a concluding Speech to the Unconverted An Answer to Mr. Thomas Grantham's Book called a Dialogue between the Baptist and Presbyterian Both by Martin Finch Pastor of a Church of Christ in Norwich Sincerity or the Upright Man's Walk to Heaven Delivered in several Sermons in the Parish-Church of St. Michael in Long-stratten in Norfolk By James Oldfield late Minister there Alexipharmacon Spirituale Being a Defensative against the Poison and Sting of Death Or The Great Expedient how to make the Bed of the Grave so easie that we may lie down in Peace and take our Rest By Samuel Snowden Minister of the Gospel at Newton in Norfolk Christ set forth In several Sermons upon the 17th Chapter to the Hebrews By Mr. Robert Ottee late Pastor to a Congregation Beckles in Suffolk Sacramental Discourses on several select Subjects To which is added A Discourse of the Life of Faith By Christopher Amarett Minister of the Gospel in Norfolk A Discovery of Audacious Insolence against the Doctrine of the Church of England vented in a malicious Pamphlet published against the Presbyterians by Thomas Grantham Together with a Poem thereon And a Postscript wherein some of the Citizens of Norwich are more particularly concerned and cautioned A Practical Discourse upon the 8th of the Romans 37. verse Wherein it is shewn and proved that true Believers in Christ are more than Conquerors in their sufferings and afflictions here And it shall appear that they are such indeed at the appearing of Christ the Captain of their Salvation FINIS
which argues that God hath decreed all things whatsoever see and read these following Scriptures for the proof of this third Argument viz. Matt. 22 from the 10 to the 16. and the 20.15 16. Act. 13.48 Job 14.5 Act. 17.26 Psal 139.15 16. 1. Thes 3.3 4. and 5.9 all which places shew that all things concerning men as to their Temporal Spiritual and Eternal Estate are Determined and Decreed by God Heb. 9.29 But to proceed Secondly God's Decree is most wise and therefore it is called the Counsel of his Will and that because his Will doth determine all things according to that Counsel see Eph. 1.11 12. 1 Tim. 1.17 Rom. 11.33 In decretis sapientum nulla litura Thirdly It is most Just for God is Just and Righteous in all he doth and there is no unrighteousness in God at all Rom. 9.13 14 15 16. Shall not the Judge of all the Earth do right Yes surely for he can do no otherwise Genesis 18.25 Fourthly Free because nothing moved the Decrees of God without or beyond himself his Grace and Mercy saith Christ Matt. 11.26 Even so oh Father For it seemeth Good in thy fight or it pleaseth thee Fifthly It is certain firm and unchangeable as appears Matt. 18.14 Jo. 23.13 Psal 33.10 11 12. 2 Tim. 19.6 Heb. 17. not but that men ought to repent mortifie sin believe and be holy for he who hath appointed to the end viz. Eternal Life hath also appointed to the means which tend to the end viz. Hearing and Reading the Word Praying Repenting and Believing in Christ and the like Eph. 1.4 2 Thes 2.12 13. Sixthly Gods Decree is Eternal or else he would be changeable contrary to that of Mal. 3.6 7. Jam. 1.17 That it is Eternal I mean Gods Decree see and read Act. 1.15 18. Eph. 1.4 2 Tim. 1.9 10. Zech. 6.1 2. Mountains of Brass i. e. Stable and Eternal Decrees c. So much for the Properties of Gods Decrees 3. I shall now speak a word or two in the third place to the Execution of Gods Decrees and so shall answer directly to your Question that you propounded as the Lord by his Spirit shall help and assist me Now as to the Execution of Gods * Note that Gods Decrees what he would do in the disposing of things for his own Glory were from all Eternity But the Execution of them are in time Decree it is twofold as first more General secondly more Special It is more Common or General viz. In his works of Creation and Providence for as Gods Decree is General which concerns all his Creatures so the Execution of it is the same as I might largely shew so that nothing comes to pass unawares but what was ordered by the Eternal Decree c. and this Execution of Gods Decree is an action of God effectually working all things in their time according to his Decree Act. 4. Act. 28. and the parts of it as I said before are Creation and Providence see Psal 33.6 to the 11. Jer. 10.11 12. Psal 146.6 7 8 9. 2. It is more Special which belongs to the reasonable Creatures viz. Angels and Men and so the Execution is in Angels and Men which I might have shewn largely had I handled the Special Decree of Election and Reprobation which I design not now to meddle with only set down a few Scriptures to prove that there is an Election and Reprobation That there is an Election see these places viz. Matt. 20.15 16. John 15.16 and 10.16 Act. 18.10 and 13.44 Eph. 4.5 Rom. 2.30 and 11.5 6. 1 Pet. 1.1 2. Eph. 1â— 4 5 6. 2 Tim. 1.9 Rom. 9.16 18. Titus 3.5 and Reprobation see also Matt. 13.11 Rom. 9.22 23. Matt. 11.25 26. Luke 8.10 11. Prov. 16 4 5. 1 Pet. 2.8 9 10. John 10.26 Jude 4. Now in as much as these Scriptures do plainly prove an Election and Reprobation we ought to believe it and to set to it our Seal that it is true because the Scripture says it And the Lord of his Mercy grant that we may believe his Word which is Pure and Holy and an unerring rule for us to walk by Gal. 6.16 Thus I have run over the three things that I propounded for to do I shall now say something through the Lords help to your Question which is this viz. Quest Whether our Gracious God did from all Eternity freely and unchangeably Decree that Mr. Toathby and Mr. Willet should cone to the City of Norwich and slander me and other 's by such horrid Lies and Forgeries Answ 1. That God hath freely and unchangeably decreed all things that have do or shall come to pass has already been proved and deny it if you can If you do you must deny the Scriptures to be true and so not to be the Word of God who is Truth it self and cannot Lye therefore his Word must be true and so not to be contradicted nor objected against by you Mr. Grantham Object But may be you will say that hereby we do make God to be the Author of all the sins of Men and Devils as you have already Branded us in Print because we say as the Scriptures affirm that God has unchangeably decreed before time what does or shall come to pass in time c. Answ For the Answer to this Objection or Cavil I have set down before you here what the reverend Bishop Vsher in his Body of Divinity pag. 93. saith in answer to the same thing that is here objected by you and others of your Judgment pray mind it well and judge rightly for he spake solidly his words are these viz. God says he is not the cause of sin and evil which he forbiddeth and condemneth but Satan and Men yet God in his secret will hath justly Decreed the evil works of the wicked for if it had not pleased him they had never been at all for most holy ends both for his Glory and their punishment as may be seen in the Jews Crucifying of Christ Act. 2.23 and Joseph's selling into Egypt Gen. 45.7 and the 50.20 for the thing that in its self by reason of Gods prohibiting of it is sin in respect of Gods decreeing of it for a Holy end comes in the place of a good thing as being some occasion or way to manifest the Glory of God in his Justice and Mercy for there is nothing sin as God decreeth it or commandeth it neither is there any thing of it self absolutely evil 1 Pet. 3.17 but because God hath forbidden it therefore is it evil and only unto them unto whom God hath forbidden it as Abraham killing of Isaac being commanded of God was to be obeyed and sin it were to have disobeyed it which otherwise by Gods Commandment forbidding to Kill was a sin for God forbiddeth not things because they are of themselves at first Evil. but therefore are they to man evil because God hath forbidden them for all sin is a transgression of the Law and God doth in Heaven
and Earth whatsoever pleaseth him neither is there any Greater than he to command him Thus far Bishop Vsher Now answer this if you can I know you may make A Reply to it in some few Cavilling words being nothing to the purpose I might say something more to the answering this Objection But what has been said shall suffice as believing it is more than you truly can answer c. Secondly As to the other part of your Question viz. Whether God did from Eternity Decree that Mr. Toathby and Mr. Willet should come to Norwich to slander and abuse you and others as they have done by those horrid Lies and Forgeries I answer 1. That there thus vilifying and reproaching of you by such Wretched Lies and Forgeries of their inventing was their great sin and wickedness Lev. 6.2 3. Prov. 12.22 Mat. 12.36 37. Rev. 22.15 16. and they will see it to be so sooner or later I do wish they might see it in Time that they may repent of this and other their sins before to be too late 2. I say that God decreed to permit it but not as it is a sin but a Punishment or Correction to you for some sin tho God decreed sin yet we say he did not Decree it as sin but as a means of the manifestation of his Justice on the Wicked and his Grace on the Saints his Justice in punishing the one and his Mercy in Pardoning and saving the other Act. 2.23 and 4.28 1 Cor. 10.13 14. Eph. 1.4 and also we say that God is not the Author of sin Jam. 1.14 15. tho he is a wise permitter of it and the Powerful Disposer and Eternal Avenger of sin yet in no ways the Cause and Author of it But the proper and only cause of sin is the Will of Devils and Men whereby they fell from God c. Joh. 8.44 1 Joh. 3.8 Jude 4. There is by Gods Decree no violence offered to the Will of his Creatures but men go on as freely and willingly in their sins as if there were no Decree of God to give them leave Reverend Mr. Finch c. to be sure this we may and ought to hold and believe that God doth no sin at all tho he permit it to be done or else it could not be in the World and also that he hath a providence about it but for the manner how it is hard for to find but and determine you know it is said 2 Sam. 16.10 11. That God bid Shimei to Curse David we must not understand as if God did expresly Command Shimei out of his good Word so to do for this was an improper command and implies only that God did make use of Shimei's Tongue as a Whip to scourge David for his sins and thus far God did Decree to permit it as a punishment or correction to David for his Iniquities against God punishment you know is counted a Mortal good in that it is the part of a Just Judge to punish sin and thus saith Reverend Bishop Vsher p. 112 and 113. In his Body of Divinity p. 112 113. God Willeth the sin of the Wicked for their Punishment and this without sin in himself Rom. 2.26.3 and the last And he saith farther That that which is evil hath some respect of goodness with God and that 1. As it is a meer Action God being the Author of every Action Act. 17.28 But the Devil and our Concupiscence of the Evil in it and he gives this comparison that he which Rideth upon a Lame Horse causeth the Horse to stir but he is not the Cause of his Halting See also the same in Mr. Perkin's Order of Causes chapter the 6. p. the 16. So that tho God hath a Hand in meer Actions Yet he is in no wise the Cause of the Evil in any actions But the Devil and our selves are the cause of it 2. As it is a Punishment of and for sin but this I hinted before as you may find if you look a little back 3. As it is Chastisement a Tryal of Faith as Martyrdom or Propitiation for sin as the Death and Passion of Jesus Christ Act. 2.23 and 4.27 28. where saith he Acts 4.24 although the giving of Christ to the death of the Cross be attributed in the same words to God and Christ to Judas Pilate and the Jews yet diversly and in several respects they are declared to meet in one and the same action whereby there appeareth no less difference between God and Christs purpose and theirs than between Light and Darkness and he farther declares how God hath a hand in the things before named and yet be free from sin but let this suffice that hath been already named I shall need say no more to your Question only this which I hinted before that as this is a Punishment or Correction God did Will or Decree to permit it that it might be as a Whip to scourge you with for your sins and I hope you look upon it as such it 's a mercy to be kept from the strife of Tongues and it is the Promise of God if we hearken and be obedient to him to keep and hide us from it see it in Job 5.21 22. now whatever afflictions we meet withal and undergo if it be not as an evil doer but for well doing then happy are we 1 Pet. 3.19 20 21. and the 4. from 13. to the end and saith Christ Matt. 5.10 11. Rejoice and be exceeding glad Why for great is your reward in Heaven c. Now the Lord of his Mercy grant that whatsoever we suffer in this World from the wicked we may suffer it for Christs and the Gospels sake And thus I have done with your Question Matt. 5.10 11. The Lord grant that you may not Quarrel with the Truth any longer for you have fought against it with foolish Notions to long There are a few expressions in your Book that I shall a little take notice of and so conclude this discourse with a short word of Caution to the Reader First Your silly or rather wicked expressions are these viz You call us Rigid Calvinists who oppose those that Preach Gods Love to Mankind They are Rigid indeed that set themselves to oppose the Truth as it is in Jesus but I hope we are so far from opposing those that Preach Gods Love to Mankind as that we rejoice in it and desire to do it our selves tho may be not as you would have us viz. that God hath the same Love to all Mankind as he hath for some of them if he hath Why are not all Saved Surely that love that saves some may save all if it be alike to all but oh Mr. Grantham let You and I leave God to do what he will with his Creatures that he has made And let us Preach the Word to all as we desire to do and must do because we do not know who they be that God will save and