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A91975 The serpents subtilty discovered, or a true relation of what passed in the cathedrall church of Rochester, between divers ministers and Richard Coppin, to prevent credulity to the false representation of the said discourse published by the said R. Coppin from Maidstone goale. / By Walter Rosewell minister of Chatham in Kent. Rosewell, Walter. 1656 (1656) Wing R1943; Thomason E882_9 18,741 28

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cannot but be convicted he now shewed himself tooth and nail for his darling heresie of Universall Salvation disclaiming any other Judgement but what doth pass upon men in this life asserting no eternall destruction of any mans person whatsoever to be mentioned in Scripture with severall other things of the like nature wherein I was content at last to give him rope enough and let him run himself out of breath if it had been possible that so all present that feared God might be convinc't from his own mouth of his desperate and devillish doctrines vented by him but at length perceiving the patience of the Auditory quite tired and being wearied my self to hear the Word of God so wretchedly and wickedly abused In fine I resolved never more to have do with him unless I should be called to it by such as had authority and required to vindicate the truth against him supposing such a full discovery of him to be now made that there needed no more to be done to that purpose I then only urg'd two Arguments against him as the result of what had dropt from his own mouth the first was this He that is a false Prophet and prophesies lies in the Name of the Lord he is an enemy to the State But Rich. Coppin is a false Prophet and prophesies lies in the Name of the Lord Ergo Rich. Coppin is an enemy to the State The second was this or to this purpose He that causeth divisions contrary to the received Doctrine of Scripture serving not the Lord Jesus but his own belly by good words and fair speeches beguiling the hearts of the simple ought to be avoided by consciencious Christians as they would avoid Rocks and Quicksands Rom. 16.17 18. But Rich Coppin is such a one Ergo. Then what followed after this I need not mention nor will I trouble my self with Coppins relation after I had made a short address to God in prayer the Congregation dismissed and so I departed The Thursday after December 13. appointed by Mr Sandbrooke to state and maintain his Queries against Coppin there was again a great resort of people in the foresaid place and Coppin as before plac't himself in the Pulpit Mr Sandbrooke took the opposite Pew where after his prayer waving his first Question as sufficiently cleared and vindicated before he insisted only on his second and having premised a few words only by way of supposition he laid down his Argument the scope whereof was to prove Coppin guilty of highest blasphemy for affirming Jesus Christ and his Apostles to be evil spirits in affirming That whosoever told people of their sins and of damnation for their sins were evil spirits This he could and would have proved against Coppin but the truth is Mr Sandbrooke soon perceiving that Coppin would not be held close to any thing in way of Syllogisticall Dispute but diverted to Queries and took occasion to leave the main Controversie which should have been prosecuted withall finding himself extreamly disadvantaged by the thickness of his hearing and lowness of his voice with other distempers which at present oppressed him he soon gave Coppin off thinking it but lost labour to have further to do with him now truly for my part it was once in my thoughts not to have been present at this daies meeting conceiving Mr Sandbrooke had done him too much honour in vouchsafing to encounter him afresh after such a discovery as himself had made of his own shamefull nakedness yet upon second thoughts I could not but conceiv that God in his wise providence had offered me one opportunity more wherein I might give in my testimony more clearly and fully against this wretched blasphemer of Jesus Christ and then I resolved not to neglect the opportunity accordingly I came to the meeting and joyning my self with Mr Sandbrooke in the same Pew when he had ended I stood up and addressing my self not to Coppin but to the Magistrates of the City Officers of the Army and the rest of the auditory I gave them to understand that I came not there to succenturate my Learned Brother who was abundantly able to make good what he had undertaken against Coppin but my design was to take this opportunity of speaking a few words for the benefit of the people then assembled I told them I had seen so much of Coppin that unless I were call'd to it by such as had authority I was constant to my resolution of medling no more with him yet on all occasions I should be ready to witness against his Heresies and blasphemies and whereas he had at the former meeting December 11. maintained That the Doctrine of the love of God in the salvation of all men whatsoever was the most effectuall Doctrine to restrain from sin and promote sanctification I gave them to understand that indeed the true Doctrine of Gods speciall love to his people it was a most effectuall means to promote sanctification in the children of God that have a child-like gracious disposition in them but the false doctrine of Gods generall love unto all whatsoever is so far from being a means of sanctification to any that it opens a gap for all ungodliness strengthening the hearts and hands of all ungodly and wicked men that no man should return from his wickedness with much more to the same purpose and because the Doctrine of Universal Redemption as 't is held forth by our Anabaptists who thence inferre Universal Salvation of all from Original sin is a dangerous doctrine near of kin to Coppins doctrine of Universal Salvation I therefore hinted some things against that doctrine affirming that the Elect of God are not actually saved from Original sin before they are effectually called but are dead in it and therefore those that are never effectually called are never saved from it but whosoever are damned for actuall are also damned for Originall sin yea I made no question but many Infant-children never guilty of any actuall sin might be damned to hell for that Originall sin wherein they were conceived and born And whereas Coppin had suggested against me I was an enemy to the State upon the account of my opposing him in his Heresies and Blasphemies I minded the Auditory how that there were some intrusted in the present Government who would count it a dishonour to be represented as countenancers of such a Blasphemer and discouragers of his consciencious opposers hereupon I crav'd leave to reade a List of some of his errours which he had at the two former meetings vented and so I read this following List 1. That the humane nature of Christ was polluted with sin and that he was a sinner in his humane nature 2. That Jesus Christ offered for his own sins as well as for the sins of the people 3. That all mankinde shall be saved 4. That a man can have no assurance of his own salvation unless he beleeve this doctrine for if there be but one in the world to be