the_o truth_n of_o god_n or_o his_o imperfection_n the_o perfection_n of_o god_n far_o be_v it_o off_o yea_o let_v god_n be_v true_a &_o every_o man_n a_o liar_n say_v the_o apostle_n in_o the_o same_o place_n we_o will_v make_v the_o matter_n plain_n by_o a_o example_n and_o similitude_n out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o jeremie_n chap._n 3._o a_o wife_n be_v filthy_a with_o adultery_n if_o her_o husband_n will_v pardon_v she_o and_o consent_n to_o receive_v she_o and_o to_o dwell_v with_o she_o she_o abide_v still_o the_o wife_n of_o her_o husband_n not_o by_o she_o own_o deed_n do_v for_o she_o have_v break_v wedlock_n what_o in_o she_o be_v but_o by_o the_o benefit_n or_o goodness_n of_o her_o husband_n so_o a_o church_n overflow_a not_o only_o with_o light_a infirmity_n but_o also_o with_o heavy_a adultery_n on_o her_o part_n in_o deed_n shall_v cease_v to_o be_v a_o wife_n but_o she_o cease_v not_o on_o her_o husband_n part_n for_o touch_v the_o election_n as_o the_o apostle_n say_v rom._n 11.28_o she_o be_v belove_v for_o the_o father_n sake_n speak_v of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n it_o be_v a_o church_n so_o long_o as_o god_n call_v she_o proclaym_v that_o which_o be_v in_o jer._n 3.13_o only_o acknowledge_v thy_o iniquity_n that_o thou_o have_v transgress_v against_o the_o lord_n thy_o god_n and_o have_v scatter_v thy_o way_n to_o the_o stranger_n under_o every_o green_a tree_n and_o you_o have_v not_o obey_v my_o voice_n say_v the_o lord_n turn_v o_o backslide_a people_n say_v the_o lord_n for_o i_o be_o marry_v unto_o you_o &_o i_o will_v take_v you_o etc._n etc._n it_o be_v so_o long_a a_o church_n as_o god_n protest_v call_v upon_o it_o depart_v from_o he_o and_o be_v rebellious_a as_o it_o be_v in_o esa_n 50_o 1._o where_o be_v the_o bill_n of_o your_o mother_n divercement_n wherewith_o i_o put_v she_o away_o or_o who_o be_v there_o of_o my_o creditor_n to_o who_o i_o sell_v you_o etc._n etc._n the_o church_n then_o at_o length_n cease_v to_o be_v a_o church_n when_o god_n cease_v to_o call_v it_o back_o &_o take_v away_o the_o evidence_n of_o that_o holy_a marriage_n that_o be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n out_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o adulteres_fw-la and_o she_o that_o be_v stubborn_a testify_v that_o the_o matrimony_n be_v dissolve_v on_o his_o part_n and_o so_o receive_v the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n unto_o himself_o it_o be_v not_o for_o any_o man_n to_o deny_v that_o to_o be_v a_o church_n which_o god_n call_v a_o church_n neither_o be_v it_o for_o any_o man_n to_o call_v that_o a_o church_n which_o god_n have_v give_v the_o bill_n of_o divorce_n and_o take_v away_o the_o draught_n of_o the_o marriage_n contract_n deny_v so_o to_o be_v and_o after_o this_o manner_n do_v we_o esteem_v of_o the_o church_n in_o which_o the_o papacy_n be_v god_n call_v she_o with_o his_o call_n by_o his_o spirit_n and_o word_n and_o the_o public_a record_n of_o that_o holy_a marriage_n which_o we_o call_v the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o the_o ministry_n and_o thing_n and_o holy_a action_n which_o before_o we_o have_v brief_o reckon_v up_o these_o thing_n do_v remain_v to_o that_o church_n most_o manifest_o on_o god_n behalf_n but_o in_o that_o on_o the_o behalf_n of_o man_n all_o these_o thing_n and_o holy_a action_n together_o with_o the_o very_a person_n themselves_o abound_v and_o overflowe_v with_o most_o grievous_a &_o deadly_a corruption_n that_o be_v the_o sin_n of_o man_n not_o the_o fault_n of_o god_n who_o grace_n &_o truth_n be_v perfect_v in_o infirmity_n on_o god_n part_n she_o be_v yet_o call_v hammi_n my_o people_n and_o ruchama_n find_v mercy_n which_o most_o true_o on_o her_o part_n may_v be_v call_v lo_n hammi_fw-it not_o my_o people_n and_o lo_o ruchama_n not_o obtain_v mercy_n as_o we_o read_v in_o hosea_n the_o prophet_n but_o we_o rely_v upon_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n and_o according_a to_o his_o grace_n reveal_v we_o speak_v our_o mind_n or_o we_o give_v our_o sentence_n concern_v a_o church_n err_v and_o go_v astray_o but_o this_o church_n have_v every_o thing_n in_o it_o corrupt_a i_o confess_v it_o but_o in_o that_o it_o have_v all_o the_o divine_a thing_n in_o the_o scripture_n it_o be_v of_o god_n in_o that_o it_o have_v they_o all_o corrupt_a that_o be_v of_o itself_o in_o that_o it_o have_v all_o the_o divine_a thing_n it_o be_v a_o church_n in_o that_o it_o have_v the_o same_o all_o corrupt_a it_o be_v a_o corrupt_a church_n the_o church_n be_v not_o take_v away_o by_o corruption_n unless_o it_o be_v total_a as_o they_o speak_v which_o they_o call_v destruction_n a_o corruption_n that_o be_v in_o part_n do_v not_o take_v away_o a_o church_n but_o weaken_v it_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v all_o thing_n corrupt_v but_o not_o altogether_o this_o be_v not_o a_o destruction_n but_o be_v to_o be_v call_v a_o corruption_n of_o it_o in_o part_n for_o to_o prosecute_v these_o head_n particular_o which_o we_o have_v brief_o note_v in_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o church_n god_n by_o the_o alone_a presence_n of_o himself_o call_v do_v lay_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n in_o christ_n the_o head_n thereof_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n add_v another_o foundation_n to_o this_o foundation_n and_o to_o this_o head_n another_o new_a head_n whereupon_o it_o be_v call_v papal_a or_o popish_a wherein_o it_o may_v likewise_o rest_v the_o calling_n be_v to_o god_n alone_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n there_o be_v call_v to_o other_o with_o god_n and_o the_o call_n upon_o they_o here_o be_v call_v by_o the_o spirit_n and_o scripture_n alone_o whence_o it_o receive_v the_o ministry_n &_o deliver_v nothing_o more_o they_o that_o which_o it_o have_v receive_v from_o the_o lord_n there_o it_o receive_v a_o ministry_n from_o the_o spirit_n of_o christ_n &_o of_o the_o pope_n from_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o ragged_a tradition_n of_o man_n here_o final_o the_o person_n thing_n and_o action_n be_v carry_v according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o spirit_n &_o the_o scripture_n only_o there_o all_o thing_n be_v take_v and_o exercise_v out_o of_o the_o pope_n changeable_a shop_n and_o at_o his_o beck_n as_o they_o say_v they_o stand_v and_o fall_v so_o all_o the_o mark_n on_o god_n behalf_n be_v in_o it_o but_o for_o itself_o on_o it_o own_o part_n as_o they_o say_v there_o be_v no_o mark_n entire_a no_o mark_n that_o be_v not_o corrupt_v by_o the_o papal_a poisonful_a sorcery_n and_o the_o order_n of_o all_o thing_n most_o miserable_o pervert_v for_o which_o cause_n in_o lion_n in_o france_n a_o certain_a friar_n do_v merry_o preach_v to_o the_o people_n when_o he_o say_v the_o hugonot_n for_o so_o they_o be_v call_v in_o france_n do_v consent_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o all_o their_o article_n of_o faith_n but_o there_o be_v one_o shrewd_a word_n the_o word_n only_o at_o the_o crack_n whereof_o war_n be_v enkindle_v for_o they_o believe_v only_o what_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n have_v out_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n require_v more_o unto_o faith_n than_o be_v either_o contain_v in_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n or_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n because_o such_o be_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n these_o thing_n be_v well_o understand_v all_o man_n will_v easy_o perceive_v how_o that_o church_n in_o respect_n of_o god_n or_o on_o god_n part_n be_v yet_o a_o church_n but_o of_o itself_o be_v most_o corrupt_a &_o very_o never_o to_o destruction_n but_o here_o do_v arise_v two_o doubt_n &_o difficulty_n by_o which_o the_o mind_n of_o many_o be_v trouble_v the_o first_o doubt_n be_v what_o we_o be_v to_o judge_v of_o the_o member_n of_o that_o church_n the_o latter_a what_o the_o duty_n of_o they_o be_v who_o be_v in_o that_o church_n and_o see_v the_o great_a corruption_n thereof_o to_o the_o first_o question_n we_o answer_n on_o this_o manner_n a_o threefold_a judgement_n have_v need_n meet_v together_o in_o this_o cause_n the_o first_o of_o truth_n the_o second_o of_o charity_n the_o three_o of_o prudence_n or_o wisdom_n the_o judgement_n of_o truth_n be_v of_o the_o common_a condition_n of_o the_o church_n by_o which_o we_o judge_v from_o the_o call_n of_o god_n that_o as_o yet_o she_o be_v a_o church_n the_o judgement_n of_o charity_n be_v of_o the_o several_a member_n of_o the_o church_n by_o which_o we_o presume_v they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n whilst_o they_o be_v call_v with_o the_o call_n of_o god_n and_o be_v in_o this_o way_n as_o david_n call_v it_o psal_a 2._o the_o judgement_n of_o prudence_n or_o wisdom_n be_v that_o by_o which_o we_o discern_v and_o distinguish_v person_n thing_n
transgression_n of_o those_o church_n and_o member_n thereof_o where_o now_o they_o be_v or_o where_o ever_o they_o shall_v be_v but_o thus_o have_v it_o please_v god_n to_o make_v we_o like_a in_o bear_v reproach_n and_o calumniation_n to_o his_o saint_n and_o people_n of_o old_a who_o feel_v the_o burden_n thereof_o to_o be_v heavy_a and_o grievous_a complain_v unto_o the_o lord_n say_v how_o long_o shall_v the_o adversary_n reproach_n shall_v the_o enemy_n blaspheme_v thy_o name_n for_o ever_o psal_n 74.10_o and_o again_o they_o utter_v forth_o their_o complaint_n say_v we_o be_v a_o reproach_n to_o our_o neighbour_n a_o scorn_n and_o derision_n to_o they_o that_o be_v round_o about_o we_o psal_n 79.4_o and_o even_o this_o be_v our_o case_n who_o also_o be_v make_v a_o reproach_n to_o our_o neighbour_n a_o jest_n and_o a_o laugh_a stock_n to_o they_o that_o be_v round_o about_o we_o have_v our_o soul_n also_o as_o they_o have_v they_o fill_v too_o full_a of_o the_o mock_n of_o the_o wealthy_a and_o dispitefulnes_n of_o the_o proud_a psal_n 44.13_o and_o 123.4_o so_o that_o in_o respect_n hereof_o we_o may_v complain_v with_o david_n who_o say_v i_o be_v a_o reproach_n among_o all_o my_o enemy_n but_o special_o among_o my_o neighbour_n and_o a_o fear_n to_o my_o acquaintance_n who_o see_v i_o in_o the_o street_n flee_v from_o i_o and_o again_o i_o be_o become_v a_o stranger_n unto_o my_o brother_n even_o a_o alien_n unto_o my_o mother_n son_n i_o become_v a_o proverb_n unto_o they_o and_o they_o that_o sit_v in_o the_o gatespake_v against_o i_o and_o the_o drunkard_n song_n of_o i_o psal_n 31.11_o and_o 69.7.8.11.12_o and_o although_o our_o love_a father_n do_v thus_o humble_a &_o chastise_v we_o just_o for_o our_o sin_n yet_o do_v he_o also_o in_o mercy_n cover_v they_o and_o give_v we_o now_o to_o bear_v these_o sclanderous_a report_n of_o schismatic_n and_o the_o like_a for_o the_o testimony_n of_o his_o truth_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o lord_n indeed_o honour_v we_o for_o our_o church_n estate_n and_o our_o conscience_n do_v witness_v with_o we_o and_o for_o we_o to_o god_n and_o man_n that_o we_o have_v not_o willing_o leave_v any_o truth_n or_o any_o ordinance_n of_o god_n that_o we_o have_v former_o receive_v with_o other_o in_o our_o apostate_n stand_v but_o be_v careful_a to_o retain_v they_o all_o what_o in_o we_o be_v purge_v from_o the_o corruption_n that_o be_v mix_v with_o they_o in_o our_o former_a corrupt_a receive_n of_o they_o neither_o have_v we_o make_v division_n and_o offence_n contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n which_o we_o have_v learn_v from_o the_o apostle_n but_o do_v walk_v in_o the_o ancient_a way_v of_o the_o primitive_a church_n keep_v the_o ordinance_n worship_n and_o order_n of_o government_n prescribe_v by_o the_o apostle_n without_o the_o mixture_n of_o antichristian_a or_o other_o humane_a addition_n and_o therefore_o unjust_o be_v we_o term_v schismatic_n if_o it_o can_v be_v show_v otherwise_o in_o any_o thing_n let_v the_o witness_n the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o prophet_n be_v bring_v forth_o against_o we_o and_o we_o trust_v we_o shall_v through_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n yield_v thereunto_o as_o we_o have_v be_v careful_a hitherto_o to_o show_v it_o forth_o in_o the_o redress_v of_o such_o thing_n as_o have_v be_v observe_v among_o we_o to_o swarve_v any_o way_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n great_a be_v our_o trial_n by_o man_n on_o all_o hand_n which_o we_o suffer_v for_o our_o witness_n bear_v of_o jesus_n while_o beside_o our_o exile_n &_o other_o affliction_n some_o be_v speak_v bitter_a and_o sclanderous_a word_n against_o we_o yea_o and_o our_o own_o neighbour_n spare_v we_o not_o and_o other_o also_o sharpen_v their_o pen_n to_o reproach_n we_o and_o to_o that_o end_n write_v reproachful_a book_n against_o we_o that_o we_o may_v say_v with_o israel_n if_o the_o lord_n have_v not_o be_v on_o our_o side_n when_o man_n rise_v up_o against_o we_o they_o have_v swallow_v we_o up_o quick_a psal_n 124._o 13_a yet_o if_o these_o reproach_n &_o hard_a deal_n touch_v ourselves_o only_o and_o do_v not_o with_o all_o reach_n to_o the_o truth_n which_o we_o witness_v we_o can_v and_o will_v rest_v patient_o wait_v until_o the_o lord_n avenge_v our_o cause_n &_o will_v not_o once_o open_v our_o mouth_n or_o set_v our_o pen_n to_o paper_n to_o write_v in_o defence_n of_o our_o porsonall_a injury_n but_o see_v thus_o together_o with_o detract_n of_o we_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n come_v to_o be_v reproach_v and_o despise_v in_o this_o respect_n if_o we_o shall_v pass_v over_o these_o thing_n altogether_o with_o silence_n and_o not_o stand_v in_o defence_n of_o the_o lord_n cause_n we_o may_v be_v arraign_v just_o as_o guyltie_n of_o betray_v his_o truth_n &_o as_o man_n ashamed_a of_o christ_n before_o man_n we_o dare_v not_o therefore_o herein_o be_v want_v to_o bear_v witness_n to_o the_o word_n of_o truth_n when_o man_n thus_o labour_v the_o darken_n thereof_o and_o for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o their_o own_o corruption_n do_v set_v themselves_o to_o speak_v and_o write_v against_o the_o same_o of_o late_o there_o be_v come_v forth_o a_o pamphlet_n and_o sclanderous_a book_n full_a of_o reproach_n publish_v by_o one_o christopher_n lawn_n and_o other_o his_o companion_n in_o which_o there_o be_v contain_v sundry_a thing_n of_o divers_a sort_n some_o touch_v our_o general_a cause_n about_o the_o church_n of_o england_n some_o concern_v the_o sing_n of_o psalm_n use_v among_o we_o some_o about_o personal_a matter_n concern_v divers_a of_o we_o &_o other_o some_o touch_v a_o divisio_fw-la make_v late_o by_o divers_a among_o we_o etc._n etc._n concern_v our_o general_a cause_n although_o we_o have_v write_v often_o and_o many_o treatise_n thereabouts_o which_o remain_v yet_o unanswer_v yet_o see_v we_o be_v here_o again_o thus_o abuse_v about_o it_o and_o that_o not_o only_o by_o the_o person_n aforesaid_a which_o we_o may_v better_o pass_v by_o but_o by_o one_o m._n robert_n parker_n who_o testimony_n be_v here_o insert_v we_o purpose_v therefore_o godwilling_a to_o write_v in_o particular_a about_o his_o testimony_n &c_n &c_n so_o again_o by_o this_o occasion_n to_o publish_v somewhat_o more_o about_o that_o our_o general_a cause_n aforesaid_a although_o for_o the_o present_a we_o have_v both_o some_o occasion_n to_o deal_v in_o other_o thing_n and_o some_o reason_n to_o stay_v we_o yet_o a_o while_n from_o publish_v of_o that_o which_o by_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n we_o purpose_v to_o do_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n let_v this_o be_v note_v concern_v m._n parker_n and_o his_o testimony_n how_o he_o have_v heretofore_o in_o a_o large_a book_n plead_v against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n that_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n &_o other_o ceremony_n retain_v among_o they_o they_o become_v guilty_a of_o the_o breach_n of_o all_o the_o ten_o commandment_n as_o also_o of_o communion_n with_o antichrist_n &_o slavery_n under_o he_o etc._n etc._n now_o we_o purpose_v to_o try_v how_o he_o can_v on_o the_o other_o hand_n approve_v the_o state_n of_o the_o same_o church_n as_o now_o it_o stand_v and_o as_o it_o be_v witness_v against_o by_o we_o &_o how_o he_o can_v warrant_v we_o communion_n with_o the_o same_o in_o that_o their_o estate_n or_o whether_o it_o may_v please_v god_n by_o this_o mean_n to_o give_v he_o &_o other_o better_o to_o observe_v and_o regard_v their_o halt_a between_n two_o opinion_n than_o hitherto_o they_o have_v do_v we_o find_v that_o for_o the_o former_a plea_n handle_v in_o his_o book_n he_o have_v allege_v the_o scripture_n plentiful_o as_o throughout_o the_o book_n may_v be_v see_v but_o whether_o he_o can_v so_o do_v for_o this_o latter_a speak_v of_o in_o his_o testimony_n against_o we_o time_n and_o further_a occasion_n will_v manifest_v yet_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n all_o may_v see_v that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a do_v against_o our_o cause_n either_o in_o his_o testimony_n publish_v or_o in_o the_o whole_a book_n wherewith_o his_o testimony_n be_v join_v which_o be_v as_o barren_a of_o warrant_n from_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o estate_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n call_v into_o question_n as_o m._n parker_n former_a book_n against_o it_o be_v fruitful_a therein_o which_o let_v the_o reader_n well_o observe_v touch_v the_o sing_n of_o psalm_n use_v among_o we_o whereof_o the_o person_n aforesaid_a speak_v also_o their_o pleasure_n in_o their_o book_n we_o be_v purpose_v ere_o long_o if_o god_n willto_fw-mi publish_v they_o whatsoever_o those_o man_n say_v or_o will_v insinuate_v to_o the_o contrary_a or_o in_o any_o other_o respect_n thereabouts_o and_o so_o we_o shall_v leave_v it_o to_o the_o
52.53.54_o testify_v that_o all_o such_o as_o have_v receive_v any_o of_o those_o false_a office_n of_o lordbishop_n priest_n etc._n etc._n be_v to_o give_v over_o and_o leave_v they_o and_o so_o have_v it_o be_v practise_v here_o before_o by_o all_o such_o priest_n as_o come_v to_o our_o faith_n &_o church_n now_o one_o be_v minister_n over_o they_o ordain_v priest_n by_o the_o prelate_n as_o be_v before_o say_v 6._o the_o 33_o article_n which_o our_o apology_n also_o confirm_v page_n 45._o profess_v that_o people_n be_v come_v forth_o of_o the_o antichristian_a estate_n etc._n etc._n be_v willng_o to_o join_v together_o in_o christian_a communion_n and_o orderly_a covenant_n &_o to_o unite_v themselves_o into_o peculiar_a and_o visible_a congregation_n etc._n etc._n these_o have_v plead_v that_o all_o be_v bind_v to_o communion_n by_o virtue_n of_o their_o baptism_n receive_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n or_o other_o antichristian_a assembly_n 7._o the_o 35_o article_n confirm_v also_o in_o our_o apology_n page_n 46.47.48_o profess_v that_o a_o people_n so_o join_v together_o may_v proceed_v to_o choice_n &_o ordination_n of_o officer_n etc._n etc._n now_o these_o plead_v that_o the_o people_n may_v not_o proceed_v to_o ordination_n of_o officer_n except_o they_o have_v officer_n before_o to_o do_v it_o 8._o in_o our_o apology_n page_n 113_o it_o be_v maynteyn_v to_o be_v gross_a error_n and_o notorious_a absurdity_n either_o to_o hold_v the_o popish_a church_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n have_v a_o true_a ministry_n and_o true_a sacrament_n or_o else_o that_o man_n be_v unbaptise_v &_o must_v admit_v of_o the_o anabaptist_n rebaptisation_n these_o have_v themselves_o much_o object_v to_o we_o that_o either_o the_o church_n and_o baptism_n of_o rome_n be_v true_a or_o else_o we_o must_v be_v rebaptise_v both_o which_o we_o still_o deny_v 9_o the_o 38_o article_n of_o our_o confession_n profess_v that_o congregation_n be_v by_o all_o mean_v convenient_a to_o have_v the_o counsel_n &_o help_v one_o of_o another_o in_o all_o needful_a affair_n etc._n etc._n the_o practice_n of_o this_o be_v be_v deny_v when_o in_o our_o great_a need_n &_o trouble_n they_o will_v not_o consent_v to_o have_v the_o counsel_n &_o help_v of_o the_o english_a church_n at_o leyden_n which_o profess_v the_o same_o faith_n with_o we_o 1._o before_o our_o part_n we_o offer_v that_o notwithstanding_o our_o difference_n of_o judgement_n that_o we_o will_v continue_v together_o if_o our_o former_a practice_n may_v be_v retain_v but_o this_o be_v refuse_v 2._o we_o desire_v that_o then_o we_o may_v have_v a_o peaceable_a part_n and_o to_o be_v two_o distinct_a congregation_n each_o practise_v as_o they_o be_v persuade_v yet_o nourish_v brotherly_a love_n and_o unity_n this_o also_o they_o will_v not_o agree_v to_o unless_o we_o will_v leave_v this_o city_n 3._o we_o procure_v though_o without_o their_o consent_n the_o help_n of_o the_o english_a church_n at_o leyden_n who_o labour_v our_o peace_n a_o way_n of_o peace_n by_o these_o themselves_o propound_v &_o by_o the_o church_n of_o leyden_n &_o we_o agree_v to_o these_o after_o reverse_v &_o stand_v not_o unto_o unless_o we_o will_v go_v dwell_v out_o of_o this_o city_n and_o although_o in_o the_o treaty_n of_o the_o agreement_n it_o be_v testify_v by_o the_o elder_n of_o that_o church_n that_o unless_o it_o be_v to_o the_o apparent_a undo_n of_o we_o and_o of_o our_o family_n we_o shall_v not_o be_v dismiss_v again_o to_o dwell_v here_o yet_o because_o we_o will_v not_o absolute_o promise_v to_o leave_v this_o city_n they_o will_v not_o stand_v to_o the_o agreement_n which_o themselves_o have_v madâ—_n these_o be_v the_o article_n &_o objection_n that_o be_v in_o the_o print_a copy_n aforesaid_a which_o therefore_o we_o have_v not_o think_v to_o have_v print_v again_o but_o when_o we_o have_v finish_v this_o book_n we_o receive_v out_o of_o england_n from_o another_o friend_n another_o of_o m._n a._n his_o letter_n send_v thither_o wherein_o these_o also_o be_v set_v down_o in_o this_o manner_n &_o order_n and_o in_o the_o same_o word_n with_o very_o little_a alteration_n thereof_o we_o consider_v also_o that_o in_o the_o answer_n here_o follow_a there_o be_v often_o reference_n make_v to_o the_o print_a copy_n of_o these_o article_n and_o exception_n and_o that_o therefore_o it_o will_v be_v good_a for_o the_o reader_n to_o have_v they_o here_o ready_a at_o hand_n whereupon_o we_o think_v it_o not_o amiss_o to_o print_v they_o again_o and_o to_o advertise_v those_o that_o have_v the_o book_n to_o insert_v they_o between_v c._n &_o d._n if_o it_o be_v not_o already_o do_v to_o their_o hand_n now_o follow_v the_o answer_n which_o be_v first_o make_v to_o the_o former_a letter_n according_a to_o the_o six_o particular_n thereof_o but_o be_v since_o enlarge_v by_o reason_n of_o this_o print_a copy_n aforesaid_a concern_v which_o also_o we_o can_v note_v &_o answer_n more_o and_o other_o thing_n then_o now_o we_o have_v do_v in_o this_o shortness_n of_o time_n as_o about_o some_o special_a respect_n &_o use_n in_o some_o case_n to_o be_v have_v of_o the_o father_n of_o family_n or_o of_o the_o chief_a &_o fit_a of_o they_o as_o upon_o occasion_n some_o of_o we_o speak_v in_o the_o reason_n have_v among_o we_o also_o that_o whereas_o they_o will_v seem_v in_o their_o letter_n &_o exception_n as_o if_o they_o have_v desire_v peace_n and_o accord_n with_o we_o yet_o beside_o all_o the_o thing_n note_v hereafter_o about_o their_o deal_n etc._n pag._n 74.75_o etc._n etc._n this_o also_o be_v remember_v that_o when_o we_o be_v treat_v of_o some_o way_v of_o accord_n some_o of_o they_o public_o say_v they_o will_v never_o yield_v thereunto_o unless_o we_o will_v revoke_v our_o agreement_n about_o the_o understanding_n of_o mat._n 18.17_o and_o that_o also_o as_o a_o error_n which_o we_o can_v not_o yield_v unto_o as_o may_v be_v perceive_v by_o the_o agreement_n itself_o which_o be_v hereafter_o set_v down_o page_n 95.96_o etc._n etc._n but_o omit_v now_o to_o speak_v any_o further_a of_o these_o or_o other_o thing_n that_o may_v also_o be_v note_v about_o their_o objection_n and_o deal_n we_o will_v for_o the_o present_a only_o desire_v the_o reader_n about_o the_o particular_n still_o to_o remember_v that_o which_o sometime_o we_o have_v mention_v here_o &c_n pag._n 44._o &_o 45._o &c_n &c_n that_o extraordinary_a case_n must_v have_v their_o warrant_n according_o &_o that_o the_o thing_n concern_v a_o people_n without_o officer_n be_v leave_v to_o further_a consideration_n among_o we_o &_o need_v not_o by_o we_o now_o be_v stand_v upon_o see_v our_o estate_n &_o question_n be_v of_o the_o ordinary_a government_n of_o a_o church_n establish_v with_o officer_n for_o which_o also_o see_v the_o treatise_n on_o mat._n 18.17_o towards_o the_o end_n thereof_o and_o now_o read_v the_o answer_n of_o the_o foresay_a letter_n and_o objection_n as_o here_o it_o follow_v a_o answer_n to_o the_o writing_n and_o exception_n aforesaid_a send_v to_o the_o same_o party_n by_o mr._n fr._n io._n whereunto_o he_o have_v also_o add_v some_o thing_n more_o upon_o occasion_n of_o the_o other_o copy_n late_o print_v towch_v they_o that_o have_v divide_v themselves_o from_o we_o and_o m._n a._n writing_n unto_o you_o thereabout_o there_o be_v divers_a thing_n of_o weight_n which_o you_o shall_v do_v well_o careful_o to_o observe_v and_o first_o how_o they_o have_v leave_v we_o upon_o two_o particular_a matter_n concern_v the_o church_n government_n and_o the_o exposition_n of_o mat._n 18.17_o they_o do_v not_o direct_o keep_v unto_o they_o as_o they_o ought_v neither_o answer_v the_o thing_n print_v thereabouts_o so_o long_o since_o whereunto_o both_o we_o and_o all_o that_o love_v the_o truth_n and_o desire_v their_o conversion_n must_v be_v careful_a to_o keep_v &_o hold_v they_o and_o even_o by_o this_o their_o deal_n it_o may_v appear_v how_o needful_a that_o our_o publication_n of_o the_o matter_n be_v both_o for_o manifestation_n of_o the_o truth_n hold_v by_o we_o &_o for_o meet_v with_o their_o clamour_n and_o all_o their_o disorderly_a and_o unapproveable_a course_n so_o much_o affect_v by_o they_o second_o it_o must_v be_v remember_v that_o our_o profession_n always_o have_v be_v and_o must_v be_v to_o have_v the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o our_o direction_n in_o all_o thing_n by_o it_o to_o try_v all_o thing_n to_o keep_v that_o which_o be_v good_a and_o to_o refuse_v and_o redress_v whatsoever_o be_v evil_a or_o any_o way_n err_v therefrom_o for_o which_o see_v the_o praeface_n of_o our_o confession_n at_o the_o end_n of_o it_o and_o in_o the_o apology_n pag._n 13._o &_o 41_o as_o also_o the_o answer_n to_o thomas_n white_a pag._n 36._o so_o as_o there_o be_v
hand_n &_o may_v decide_v stay_v determine_v and_o conclude_v all_o matter_n of_o controversy_n in_o the_o church_n though_o all_o the_o elder_n &_o other_o brethren_n be_v against_o they_o 177._o cons_n art_n 34._o plea_n for_o infant_n p._n 180._o to_o 185._o contempt_n pag._n 177._o 4_o we_o profess_v heretofore_o that_o no_o sacrament_n shall_v be_v minister_v until_o the_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n be_v choose_v and_o ordain_v into_o their_o office_n now_o it_o be_v hield_n by_o some_o that_o see_v all_o the_o holy_a thing_n of_o god_n be_v the_o church_n and_o people_n without_o officer_n be_v a_o church_n therefore_o they_o may_v without_o officer_n have_v the_o use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o all_o the_o holy_a thing_n of_o god_n &_o consequent_o may_v receive_v in_o by_o baptism_n confirm_v by_o the_o lord_n supper_n cast_v out_o by_o excommunication_n etc._n etc._n and_o in_o this_o writing_n send_v unto_o you_o it_o may_v be_v observe_v how_o they_o infer_v that_o people_n without_o officer_n may_v cast_v out_o and_o therefore_o may_v receive_v in_o there_o be_v one_o power_n for_o both_o 176.177_o conf._n art_n 21._o conterp_v pag._n 176.177_o 5_o we_o have_v learned_a that_o none_o may_v usurp_v or_o execute_v a_o ministry_n but_o such_o as_o be_v right_o call_v by_o the_o church_n whereof_o they_o stand_v minister_n unto_o such_o office_n and_o in_o such_o manner_n as_o god_n have_v prescribe_v in_o his_o word_n now_o it_o be_v hold_v by_o some_o that_o people_n out_o of_o office_n may_v execute_v all_o the_o work_n and_o duty_n of_o the_o ministry_n for_o baptism_n lord_n supper_n censure_n etc._n etc._n and_o these_o man_n in_o their_o second_o exception_n here_o write_v there_o be_v one_o power_n for_o receive_v in_o &_o cast_v out_o &_o that_o people_n without_o officer_n may_v do_v both_o as_o be_v observe_v before_o etc._n conf._n art_n 1.10_o 17_o 18_o 19_o 21_o 23_o 24_o 25_o 26_o 27.34_o 36._o &_o throughout_o the_o conf._n apol_n &_o other_o of_o our_o treatise_n as_o defence_n against_o mr._n sm._n pag._n 10_o 13_o 88_o etc._n etc._n 6_o we_o learn_v and_o use_v heretofore_o to_o apply_v to_o our_o estate_n and_o use_v the_o thing_n that_o the_o scripture_n teach_v concern_v the_o governor_n and_o people_n in_o israel_n now_o we_o be_v except_v &_o oppose_v against_o if_o we_o do_v so_o with_o these_o exception_n and_o the_o like_a viz._n that_o they_o have_v civil_a authority_n and_o government_n which_o the_o church_n have_v not_o that_o they_o can_v not_o in_o israel_n forgive_v one_o another_o sin_n as_o we_o can_v now_o that_o the_o people_n now_o have_v more_o power_n then_o in_o israel_n because_o now_o we_o follow_v christ_n into_o heaven_n heaven_n and_o yet_o the_o people_n be_v typical_o carry_v in_o by_o the_o hyepriest_n in_o the_o precious_a stone_n on_o his_o shoulder_n &_o breast_n as_o the_o most_o holy_a place_n itself_o be_v a_o type_n of_o heaven_n whereas_o the_o people_n may_v not_o follow_v the_o high_a priest_n into_o the_o most_o holy_a place_n etc._n etc._n and_o what_o if_o any_o other_o will_v say_v that_o by_o like_a reason_n the_o elder_n now_o shall_v have_v more_o power_n than_o the_o elder_n in_o israel_n because_o the_o elder_n now_o follow_v christ_n into_o heaven_n whereas_o the_o elder_n than_o may_v not_o follow_v the_o high_a priest_n into_o the_o most_o holy_a place_n and_o that_o king_n shall_v have_v more_o power_n nov_fw-mi in_o religion_n than_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n because_o king_n now_o follow_v christ_n into_o heaven_n whereas_o the_o king_n than_o may_v not_o follow_v the_o hiepriest_n into_o the_o most_o holy_a place_n no_o nor_o so_o much_o as_o into_o the_o holy_a place_n to_o come_v to_o the_o altar_n to_o offer_v incense_n 2_o chron._n 26._o and_o note_v here_o also_o that_o christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n reason_v from_o the_o civil_a estate_n of_o the_o governor_n &_o people_n of_o israel_n &_o apply_v the_o thing_n of_o it_o to_o the_o kingdom_n and_o church_n of_o christ_n &_o to_o the_o governor_n and_o people_n of_o the_o church_n now_o shall_v by_o this_o new_a learning_n of_o these_o man_n be_v think_v to_o misapply_v those_o scripture_n and_o place_n so_o allege_v by_o they_o as_o mat._n 21.24_o john_n 10.34_o act._n 1.20_o ephes_n 12.13.19.20.21_o and_o in_o a_o number_n the_o like_a place_n etc._n plea_n for_o infant_n p._n 166.167_o 268_o etc._n etc._n treat_n against_o the_o anabap._n p_o 16._o etc._n etc._n &_o some_o ground_n tend_v this_o way_n in_o the_o apol_n p._n 108_o etc._n etc._n &_o in_o answer_n to_o m._n jacob_n p._n 7_o &_o 13_o etc._n etc._n 7_o we_o hold_v that_o the_o baptism_n of_o rome_n be_v as_o true_a baptism_n as_o circumcision_n in_o the_o apostasy_n of_o israel_n be_v true_a circumcision_n and_o need_v not_o to_o be_v renounce_v and_o repeat_v now_o we_o be_v teach_v that_o the_o baptism_n aforesaid_a be_v a_o idol_n and_o we_o know_v that_o all_o idol_n yea_o and_o all_o monument_n of_o idolatry_n be_v to_o be_v renounce_v and_o reject_v esa_n 30.22_o and_o a_o idol_n be_v nothing_o in_o the_o wood_n say_v the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 8_o 4._o so_o as_o then_o such_o baptism_n be_v nothing_o &_o such_o people_n be_v a_o unbaptised_a people_n &_o aught_o therefore_o with_o the_o anabaptist_n to_o get_v themselves_o baptize_v thus_o if_o i_o will_v follow_v their_o course_n you_o may_v see_v i_o can_v note_v down_o some_o doctrine_n and_o assertion_n not_o all_o of_o the_o sound_a which_o our_o opposite_n have_v of_o late_o deliver_v and_o give_v forth_o although_o i_o have_v hitherto_o hold_v my_o peace_n there_o about_o neither_o will_v i_o yet_o publish_v they_o if_o there_o be_v or_o may_v be_v hope_n of_o their_o repentance_n and_o amendment_n but_o for_o your_o better_a information_n concern_v they_o &_o their_o deal_n i_o have_v thus_o imparâ—ed_v they_o unto_o you_o by_o which_o any_o may_v consider_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o high_a time_n for_o we_o to_o look_v to_o these_o person_n and_o to_o these_o thing_n when_o they_o veer_v come_v to_o this_o pass_n &_o grow_v to_o such_o a_o height_n among_o we_o now_o next_o for_o answer_n of_o their_o exception_n send_v unto_o you_o against_o we_o though_o it_o be_v not_o so_o meet_v to_o be_v do_v in_o a_o private_a letter_n see_v we_o have_v publish_v the_o cause_n of_o the_o division_n they_o make_v whereunto_o they_o have_v not_o yet_o give_v answer_n yet_o have_v i_o think_v it_o not_o amiss_o upon_o this_o occasion_n and_o unto_o you_o as_o your_o case_n stand_v to_o write_v somewhat_o thereabouts_o for_o the_o first_o therefore_o which_o be_v make_v by_o compare_v together_o the_o understanding_n of_o mat._n 18_o 17._o with_o the_o confession_n art_n 24._o and_o the_o apol._n pag._n 62.63_o i_o have_v already_o write_v and_o publish_v a_o treatise_n concern_v the_o exposition_n of_o that_o scripture_n where_o also_o the_o reason_n allege_v in_o the_o apology_n be_v purposely_o and_o particular_o treat_v of_o to_o which_o i_o refer_v you_o thereabouts_o and_o what_o deal_n be_v this_o of_o they_o that_o have_v make_v such_o a_o division_n as_o they_o have_v do_v they_o leave_v the_o treatise_n unanswer_v which_o be_v purposely_o write_v upon_o that_o occasion_n and_o argument_n and_o yet_o cease_v not_o private_o thus_o to_o insinuate_v as_o they_o do_v beside_o if_o for_o their_o wont_a phrase_n the_o church_n of_o elder_n they_o will_v use_v such_o term_n as_o otherwhere_o the_o scripture_n in_o our_o translation_n have_v and_o as_o the_o word_n itself_o do_v signify_v namely_o the_o congregation_n of_o elder_n or_o the_o assembly_n of_o elder_n or_o the_o like_a then_o both_o themselves_o &_o other_o might_n soon_o perceive_v the_o vanity_n of_o their_o error_n and_o the_o light_n of_o the_o truth_n against_o they_o neither_o shall_v they_o forget_v how_o m._n ainsworth_n himself_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o mr._n bernard_n show_v that_o the_o word_n be_v sometime_o so_o use_v for_o the_o congregation_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n and_o governor_n mr._n ainsw_n conterpoys_n pag._n 113._o last_o you_o may_v observe_v in_o the_o article_n of_o our_o confession_n here_o allege_v 24._o conf._n art_n 24._o that_o for_o the_o declaration_n and_o proof_n thereof_o these_o scripture_n among_o other_o be_v cite_v psal_n 122.3_o lev._n 20.4_o 5._o &_o 24.14_o numb_a 5.2.3_o deut._n 13.9_o all_o which_o do_v direct_o carry_v we_o for_o this_o matter_n to_o the_o church_n of_o israel_n and_o constitution_n thereof_o which_o now_o through_o love_n of_o their_o error_n they_o will_v not_o be_v bring_v unto_o for_o the_o consideration_n and_o decide_n of_o the_o matter_n between_v we_o observe_v also_o hereabout_o that_o the_o power_n of_o receive_v in_o and_o cut_v off_o give_v
2-5_a and_o 15.4_o etc._n etc._n for_o now_o it_o will_v be_v answer_v they_o that_o in_o israel_n apostasy_n they_o keep_v circumcision_n which_o need_v not_o to_o be_v repeat_v see_v it_o be_v true_a and_o seal_v god_n covenant_n unto_o they_o but_o that_o these_o can_v so_o plead_v for_o the_o baptism_n have_v in_o the_o apostasy_n of_o rome_n because_o themselves_o say_v the_o baptism_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o true_a baptism_n and_o so_o not_o the_o seal_n of_o god_n covenant_n to_o they_o which_o have_v no_o other_o but_o it_o whereunto_o what_o they_o will_v answer_n let_v they_o bethink_v themselves_o and_o let_v they_o show_v we_o by_o what_o scripture_n they_o can_v approve_v their_o stand_n now_o who_o witting_o &_o willing_o remain_v without_o true_a baptism_n to_o seal_v unto_o they_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n in_o jesus_n christ_n final_o if_o the_o baptism_n have_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o true_a baptism_n than_o as_o they_o also_o say_v it_o be_v a_o idol_n bear_v the_o show_v and_o image_n of_o that_o which_o it_o be_v not_o in_o truth_n and_o substance_n and_o so_o then_o apply_v hither_o that_o which_o mr._n ain_v have_v observe_v in_o his_o arrow_v against_o idolatry_n how_o god_n manife_v the_o vanity_n and_o filthynes_n of_o idol_n by_o title_n and_o name_n give_v unto_o they_o 14._o pag._n 13._o &_o 14._o for_o idol_n say_v he_o be_v call_v thing_n of_o naught_o as_o it_o be_v filth_n dung_n or_o excrement_n loathe_v some_o thing_n or_o detestable_a and_o abomination_n vanity_n lie_n unprofitable_a false-vanity_n leasing_n and_o vayn-iniquitie_n thus_o he_o write_v of_o idol_n in_o that_o place_n so_o as_o by_o their_o opinion_n the_o baptism_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o thing_n of_o naught_o and_o therefore_o to_o be_v esteem_v as_o nothing_o in_o the_o world_n as_o it_o be_v filth_n or_o dung_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v cast_v out_o a_o loath_a some_o thing_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v detest_v a_o abomination_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v abhor_v a_o vanity_n a_o lie_n unprofitable_a false-vanitie_n lease_v and_o vayn-iniquitie_n and_o therefore_o that_o all_o who_o have_v receive_v it_o shall_v renounce_v it_o &_o cast_v it_o away_o as_o a_o menstruous_a cloth_n and_o say_v unto_o it_o get_v thou_o hence_o as_o esay_n teach_v when_o he_o show_v the_o way_n wherein_o we_o shall_v walk_v even_o thus_o to_o deal_v with_o the_o monument_n and_o most_o precious_a ornament_n of_o idolatry_n &_o therefore_o much_o more_o with_o the_o idol_n themselves_o esa_n 30.21.22_o which_o till_o these_o man_n be_v careful_a to_o do_v with_o the_o idol_n retain_v among_o they_o they_o must_v be_v content_v by_o their_o own_o opinion_n to_o be_v account_v among_o those_o many_o sort_n of_o idolater_n which_o defile_v themselves_o with_o idol_n of_o who_o mr._n ainsw_n speak_v in_o the_o same_o place_n of_o his_o book_n aforesaid_a a_o great_a sin_n it_o be_v that_o they_o fall_v into_o if_o there_o have_v be_v no_o other_o but_o it_o that_o without_o just_a cause_n they_o break_v away_o &_o divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n whereof_o they_o be_v but_o see_v that_o therewith_n they_o have_v also_o other_o very_a erroneous_a opinion_n and_o the_o sinful_a usurpation_n of_o all_o the_o holy_a thing_n of_o god_n use_v among_o they_o what_o a_o heavy_a estate_n do_v they_o stand_v in_o and_o how_o great_o do_v it_o import_v they_o to_o consider_v their_o way_n in_o their_o heart_n and_o to_o turn_v their_o foot_n unto_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o lord_n otherwise_o let_v they_o remember_v that_o which_o the_o apostle_n write_v to_o the_o corinthian_n do_v we_o provoke_v the_o lord_n to_o jealousy_n be_v we_o strong_a than_o he_o 1_o cor._n 10.22_o and_o thus_o much_o i_o think_v here_o by_o this_o occasion_n to_o write_v about_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o i_o will_v come_v to_o speak_v of_o the_o church_n itself_o as_o touch_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n there_o be_v also_o at_o that_o time_n speech_n about_o it_o to_o be_v the_o church_n of_o god_n i_o do_v in_o deed_n allege_v the_o say_n of_o the_o apostle_n that_o antichrist_n shall_v sit_v in_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n as_o the_o apostle_n express_o teach_v 2_o thes_n 2.4_o and_o by_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n understand_v the_o church_n of_o god_n it_o will_v follow_v that_o antichrist_n shall_v sit_v in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o be_v there_o to_o be_v seek_v and_o find_v and_o not_o among_o the_o jew_n turk_n pagan_n or_o the_o like_a as_o the_o papist_n &_o other_o will_v persuade_v we_o neither_o that_o antichrist_n take_v away_o whole_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o every_o truth_n and_o ordinance_n of_o the_o lord_n as_o anabaptist_n and_o such_o as_o be_v herein_o anabaptistical_o incline_v will_v bear_v we_o in_o hand_n observe_v also_o here_o again_o that_o which_o be_v say_v rev._n 18_o 4._o go_v out_o of_o she_o my_o people_n and_o partake_v not_o in_o her_o sin_n etc._n etc._n where_o those_o word_n my_o people_n imply_v the_o covenant_n of_o god_n continue_v among_o they_o for_o thus_o be_v the_o covenant_n teach_v and_o set_v down_o unto_o we_o in_o the_o scripture_n i_o will_v be_v your_o god_n and_o you_o shall_v be_v my_o people_n and_o so_o be_v israel_n often_o call_v the_o lord_n people_n &_o be_v thus_o speak_v of_o in_o the_o time_n of_o their_o apostasy_n by_o the_o prophet_n 2_o king_n 9_o 6._o &_o 13.23_o 2_o chron._n 30_o 6-9_a hos_fw-la 4_o 6_o 12._o and_o 5.4_o and_o 14.2_o amos_n 7.15_o and_o 8.2_o etc._n etc._n and_o note_v here_o also_o how_o the_o other_o clause_n partake_v not_o in_o her_o sin_n show_v what_o we_o be_v to_o leave_v and_o renounce_v namely_o their_o sin_n and_o iniquity_n wherein_o they_o transgress_v the_o la_o of_o god_n and_o not_o whatsoever_o be_v have_v or_o retain_v by_o they_o furthermore_o it_o be_v undeniable_a and_o we_o have_v heretofore_o urge_v it_o much_o against_o the_o anabaptist_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v at_o first_o set_v in_o the_o way_v of_o god_n &_o be_v not_o only_o one_o of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n 16.19_o rom._n 2.8_o &_o 16.19_o but_o for_o their_o faith_n and_o obedience_n be_v also_o very_o famous_a over_o the_o world_n since_o which_o time_n she_o be_v fall_v into_o great_a apostasy_n and_o adultery_n etc._n esa_n 1.2_o jer._n 2.21_o ezec._n 16._o &_o 23._o ch_z 1_o kin._n 12_o 28-33_a &_o 14.22.23.24_o 2_o chro._n 13.5_o etc._n etc._n as_o israel_n do_v in_o former_a time_n in_o all_o which_o her_o adulterate_a &_o apostate_n estate_n she_o have_v notwithstanding_o still_o keep_v even_o to_o this_o day_n sundry_a truth_n and_o ordinance_n of_o god_n &_o mix_v with_o they_o her_o own_o invention_n &_o tradition_n as_o israel_n also_o do_v which_o be_v observe_v aright_o cause_v a_o twofold_a consideration_n of_o her_o estate_n as_o of_o israel_n one_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o ordinance_n of_o god_n still_o retain_v among_o they_o another_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o mixture_n of_o their_o own_o invention_n and_o abomination_n withal_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o one_o to_o hold_v and_o acknowledge_v the_o truth_n &_o church_n of_o god_n there_o against_o the_o anabaptist_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o other_o to_o consider_v and_o observe_v their_o apostasy_n and_o babylonish_n confusion_n against_o antichrist_n and_o for_o this_o cause_n namely_o for_o this_o defection_n and_o mixture_n aforesaid_a to_o separate_v from_o they_o and_o witness_v against_o they_o be_v always_o careful_a in_o our_o testimony_n and_o practice_n to_o retain_v and_o maintain_v every_o truth_n &_o ordinance_n of_o god_n which_o be_v in_o that_o church_n before_o their_o apostasy_n and_o be_v yet_o continue_a therein_o to_o this_o day_n leave_v only_o and_o forsake_v their_o corruption_n and_o mixture_n of_o their_o own_o invention_n therewith_n lest_o otherwise_o we_o shall_v be_v bring_v ourselves_o or_o be_v occasion_n to_o other_o to_o fall_v into_o anabaptistry_n and_o divers_a other_o error_n and_o evil_n as_o by_o lamentable_a example_n of_o other_o we_o have_v see_v note_v here_o also_o a_o double_a consideration_n about_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n make_v with_o his_o people_n one_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o lord_n himself_o on_o the_o one_o part_n the_o other_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o people_n take_v into_o covenant_n by_o he_o on_o the_o other_o part_n deut._n 26.17.18.19_o judg._n 2.1_o 20._o for_o it_o often_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o the_o people_n do_v on_o their_o part_n transgress_v &_o break_v the_o covenant_n when_o the_o lord_n do_v not_o so_o on_o his_o part_n but_o still_o remember_v his_o covenant_n count_v they_o his_o people_n call_v they_o to_o
repentance_n follow_v they_o sometime_o with_o judgement_n sometime_o with_o mereie_n and_o compassion_n etc._n etc._n levit._n 26_o 15-45_a ezech._n 16_o 59-62_a judg._n 2_o 1-20_a etc._n etc._n thus_o in_o israel_n who_o be_v the_o lord_n people_n it_o may_v be_v note_v how_o they_o go_v a_o whore_v after_o their_o own_o invention_n fall_v into_o idolatry_n and_o false_a worship_n run_v into_o sin_n after_o sin_n and_o become_v a_o harlot_n transgress_v the_o covenant_n on_o their_o part_n exod._n 32._o judg._n 2._o and_o 3._o with_o psa_n 78_o 56-58_a 1_o sam._n 7_o 3_o 4._o 1_o king_n 12_o 28-33_a and_o 14.22.23.24_o with_o 2_o chron._n 12._o and_o 13._o and_o 1_o king_n 19.10_o hos_fw-la 6.7_o and_o 8.1_o yet_o the_o lord_n break_v it_o not_o on_o his_o part_n but_o sometime_o of_o himself_o sometime_o at_o the_o entreaty_n of_o his_o prophet_n &_o servant_n he_o spare_v they_o and_o do_v not_o destroy_v they_o or_o present_o give_v they_o a_o bill_n of_o divorce_n according_a to_o their_o demerit_n but_o in_o his_o mercy_n as_o a_o love_a husband_n he_o call_v they_o to_o repentance_n and_o to_o that_o end_n he_o send_v unto_o they_o prophet_n after_o prophet_n a_o long_a time_n to_o draw_v they_o to_o amendment_n and_o call_v they_o still_o his_o people_n and_o help_v they_o and_o cast_v they_o not_o of_o yet_o so_o as_o beside_o his_o word_n send_v unto_o they_o he_o also_o adjoin_v correction_n &_o punishmment_n both_o for_o avenge_a the_o quarrel_n of_o his_o covenant_n upon_o they_o and_o for_o procure_v their_o conversion_n by_o all_o manner_n mean_n what_o may_v be_v as_o in_o the_o book_n of_o moses_n and_o history_n of_o the_o judge_n samuel_n king_n and_o chronicle_n compare_v with_o the_o prophet_n may_v be_v see_v and_o particular_o in_o the_o scripture_n here_o note_v before_o and_o the_o like_a as_o exod._n 33._o and_o 34._o etc._n etc._n levit._fw-la 26_o 14.15-25-42-44.45_a judg._n 2.1_o etc._n etc._n psal_n 78._o 1_o king_n 13._o and_o 16._o and_o 18._o 2_o king_n 5.8.15.17_o with_o jer._n 51.5_o and_o ezech_v 16.59.60_o etc._n etc._n hoseas_n and_o amos_n their_o prophecy_n etc._n etc._n and_o in_o these_o two_o divers_a respect_n sometime_o have_v reference_n to_o god_n sometime_o to_o israel_n may_v there_o many_o thing_n in_o the_o scripture_n be_v observe_v to_o be_v speak_v diverse_o for_o example_n israel_n consider_v in_o themselves_o and_o their_o idolatrous_a estate_n be_v say_v to_o be_v without_o god_n without_o priest_n to_o teach_v and_o without_o la_o to_o forsake_v and_o break_v the_o covenant_n of_o the_o lord_n to_o provoke_v the_o lord_n to_o anger_v by_o their_o vanity_n not_o to_o be_v the_o lord_n wife_n but_o a_o harlot_n go_v a_o whore_v after_o their_o own_o invention_n and_o have_v child_n of_o whooredome_n yea_o and_o that_o the_o lord_n be_v not_o with_o israel_n or_o with_o any_o of_o ephraim_n 2_o chron._n 15.3_o 1._o king_n 12.28.33_o and_o 15.34_o and_o 16_o 13.26.31-33_a and_o 19.14_o hose_n 2_o 15_a and_o 5.3.4_o and_o 8.1_o and_o 9.1_o with_o psalm_n 106.29.39_o ezech._n 16._o and_o 23._o chap._n 2_o chron._n 25.7_o but_o again_o be_v consider_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o his_o covenant_n into_o which_o they_o be_v receive_v and_z which_o he_o break_v not_o on_o his_o part_n but_o call_v they_o to_o repentance_n etc._n etc._n the_o lord_n be_v call_v their_o god_n and_o they_o be_v call_v the_o people_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o their_o child_n bear_v to_o the_o lord_n and_o israel_n not_o to_o have_v be_v a_o widow_n forsake_v of_o god_n but_o that_o the_o lord_n have_v mercy_n on_o they_o and_o pity_v they_o and_o respect_v they_o because_o of_o his_o covenant_n with_o abraham_n isaac_n and_o jacob_n and_o that_o he_o will_v not_o destroy_v they_o nor_o cast_v they_o off_o from_o he_o as_o yet_o etc._n etc._n and_o thus_o continue_v israel_n a_o long_a time_n respect_v of_o the_o lord_n notwithstanding_o her_o apostasic_a etc._n etc._n judg._n 2_o 1._o etc._n etc._n 1_o king_n 18_o 36._o 2_o king_n 9_o 6_o hos_fw-la 4.6_o 12._o and_o 5_o 4._o and_o 7_o 10._o and_o 8_o 2._o &_o 9_o 1._o &_o 14.1_o 2._o amos_n 7_o 15._o with_o psal_n 89_o 30-34_a and_o ezech._n 16_o 20_o 60._o and_o jer._n 51.5_o and_o 2_o king_n 13_o 23._o yet_o notwithstanding_o in_o these_o time_n the_o prophet_n teach_v the_o people_n to_o plead_v with_o their_o mother_n about_o her_o adultery_n to_o separate_v themselves_o and_o not_o to_o come_v at_o the_o place_n of_o their_o worship_n nor_o to_o communicate_v with_o they_o and_o bring_v their_o sacrifice_n thither_o because_o in_o so_o do_v they_o shall_v multiply_v their_o transgression_n etc._n etc._n hos_fw-la 2_o 15_a and_z 4_o 12.14.15_o amos_n 4_o 4_o 5._o and_o 5_o 4_o 5._o and_o all_o these_o thing_n be_v write_v for_o our_o learning_n &_o be_v to_o be_v apply_v to_o the_o estate_n of_o the_o church_n in_o apostasy_n under_o the_o gospel_n since_o christ_n rom._n 15_o 4._o with_o 1_o cor._n 10.11_o moreover_o beside_o that_o the_o word_n church_n be_v take_v sometime_o more_o large_o sometime_o more_o strict_o which_o about_o this_o question_n likewise_o may_v be_v observe_v there_o be_v yet_o further_o also_o a_o double_a regard_n that_o may_v be_v have_v of_o apostate_n church_n in_o all_o age_n according_a as_o they_o be_v consider_v and_o speak_v of_o in_o comparison_n with_o other_o people_n of_o divers_a sort_n as_o namely_o israel_n in_o apostasy_n be_v compare_v with_o the_o syrian_n philistines_n moabite_n and_o other_o nation_n be_v call_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v account_v the_o people_n of_o god_n who_o have_v the_o only_a true_a god_n for_o their_o god_n etc._n etc._n 2_o king_n 3.8_o 15.17_o and_o 9_o 6._o etc._n etc._n but_o be_v compare_v with_o judah_n which_o rule_v with_o god_n and_o be_v faithful_a with_o the_o saint_n she_o be_v call_v a_o harlot_n not_o the_o wife_n of_o god_n but_o a_o whore_n commit_v adultery_n and_o compass_v god_n about_o with_o lie_n and_o deceit_n etc._n etc._n hos_fw-la 2.2.5_o &_o 4_o 15._o &_o 5.3_o 4._o and_o 9_o 1._o and_o 11.12_o etc._n etc._n in_o like_a manner_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o apostasy_n be_v compare_v with_o the_o jew_n turk_n and_o pagan_n they_o be_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v account_v christian_n and_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n where_o also_o be_v verify_v that_o which_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o antichrist_n sit_v in_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n 2_o thes_n 2.4_o not_o the_o temple_n of_o jerusalem_n as_o some_o to_o turn_v away_o the_o truth_n have_v imagine_v but_o the_o temple_n of_o christian_n the_o church_n of_o god_n bring_v to_o the_o say_v of_o christ_n and_o profess_v to_o be_v christian_n as_o may_v appear_v by_o these_o scripture_n and_o the_o like_v compare_v together_o 2_o thes_n 2.4_o with_o ezech._n 43.7.8_o zath_n 6.12.13_o ephes_n 2_o 11-13.19_a 21._o 2_o cor._n 6.16_o rev._n 11.19_o and_o as_o it_o be_v also_o under_o stand_v by_o all_o sound_a writer_n both_o old_a and_o new_a but_o again_o be_v compare_v with_o the_o ancient_a church_n of_o rome_n and_o other_o primitive_a church_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o such_o as_o now_o walk_v in_o their_o step_n and_o in_o the_o good_a and_o old_a way_n rule_v with_o god_n and_o abide_v faithful_a with_o his_o saint_n she_o be_v call_v and_o be_v to_o be_v esteem_v a_o harlot_n the_o great_a whore_n the_o mother_n of_o the_o whooredome_n and_o abomination_n of_o the_o earth_n believe_v &_o speak_v lie_n in_o hypocrisy_n give_v heed_n to_o seduce_a spirit_n and_o have_v pleasure_n in_o unrighteousness_n etc._n etc._n revel_v 17.1.5_o 1_o tim._n 4.1.2.3_o 2_o thes_n 2_o 3-10_a 11.12_o and_o thus_o there_o be_v in_o divers_a respect_n a_o double_a consideration_n have_v of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o as_o of_o israel_n heretofore_o it_o will_v appear_v how_o in_o one_o respect_v it_o may_v be_v say_v there_o be_v the_o church_n of_o god_n or_o a_o true_a church_n there_o &_o in_o another_o respect_n there_o be_v a_o apostate_n or_o a_o false_a church_n there_o as_o it_o be_v say_v by_o the_o apostle_n of_o one_o and_o the_o same_o woman_n that_o she_o be_v dead_a and_o alive_a in_o divers_a respect_n 1_o tim._n 5.6_o and_o of_o the_o jew_n that_o they_o be_v enemy_n in_o one_o respect_n and_o yet_o belove_v in_o another_o rom._n 11_o 28._o so_o john_n baptist_n be_v elias_n and_o be_v not_o elias_n in_o divers_a respect_n john_n 1_o 21._o with_o mat._n 11_o 7-14_a and_o 17_o 10-13_a judas_n be_v a_o apostle_n and_o yet_o a_o devil_n mat._n 10.2_o 4._o joh._n 6.70_o the_o jew_n be_v the_o child_n of_o abraham_n and_o yet_o the_o child_n of_o the_o devil_n joh._n 8.33.34_o as_o the_o prophet_n also_o
call_v the_o jew_n the_o seed_n of_o the_o wicked_a the_o seed_n of_o the_o adulterer_n and_o a_o false_a seed_n in_o one_o respect_n when_o in_o other_o respect_v they_o acknowledge_v they_o to_o be_v the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n jacob_n and_o israel_n and_o so_o a_o true_a seed_n and_o people_n of_o the_o lord_n esa_fw-mi 1_o 4._o and_o 57_o 3_o 4._o with_o 41_o 8._o and_o 45_o 19_o and_o 58_o 1._o hos_fw-la 2_o 1_o 2._o and_o 4_o 13._o esa_n 63_o 16_o 17._o and_o 64_o 9_o jer._n 31_o 36_o 37._o hof_n 4_o 6_o 12._o and_o 3_o 4._o and_o 14_o 2_o 3_o 4._o and_o endless_a it_o be_v to_o recount_v the_o many_o speech_n and_o several_a consideration_n of_o thing_n thus_o speak_v of_o in_o the_o scripture_n christ_n be_v without_o father_n and_o without_o mother_n heb._n 7_o 3._o and_o yet_o he_o have_v father_n and_o mother_n luke_n 2_o 48_o 49._o joh._n 1_o 18._o and_o 2_o 3._o christ_n be_v put_v to_o death_n in_o the_o flesh_n but_o quicken_v in_o the_o spirit_n 1_o pet._n 3_o 11._o abraham_n be_v unrighteous_a in_o himself_o but_o righteous_a by_o faith_n rom._n 4_o 3_o 5._o the_o apostle_n paul_n and_o all_o the_o regenerate_v serve_v the_o la_o of_o god_n and_o the_o la_o of_o sin_n the_o one_o with_o the_o mind_n the_o other_o with_o the_o flesh_n rom._n 7_o 25._o peter_n be_v a_o disciple_n &_o a_o apostle_n and_o yet_o in_o other_o respect_n be_v by_o christ_n call_v satan_n mat._n 10_o 2_o and_o 16_o 23._o a_o leprous_a jew_n be_v a_o true_a man_n and_o a_o israelite_n but_o a_o corrupt_a disease_a man_n to_o be_v put_v and_o keep_v out_o of_o the_o host_n of_o israel_n till_o he_o be_v clean_o lev._n 13_o and_z 14_o with_o 2_o chron._n 26_o 20_o 21._o num._n 12_o 10-15_a the_o temple_n be_v the_o house_n of_o god_n &_o yet_o be_v make_v a_o den_n of_o thief_n mat._n 21_o 13._o the_o emperor_n of_o rome_n babylon_n and_o the_o other_o nation_n be_v king_n and_o high_a power_n ordain_v of_o god_n rom._n 13_o 1._o with_o rev._n 17.10_o and_o dan._n 7_o 17._o yet_o be_v they_o also_o in_o other_o respect_n beast_n lion_n bear_n leopard_n etc._n etc._n rev._n 12.3_o &_o 13_o 1_o 2_o with_o dan._n 7_o 3-6_a so_o likewise_o the_o beast_n be_v and_o be_v not_o &_o yet_o be_v rev._n 17_o 8._o and_o a_o number_n the_o like_a may_v be_v observe_v in_o other_o place_n of_o the_o scripture_n compare_v together_o now_o to_o conclude_v this_o point_n if_o these_o thing_n &_o the_o like_a about_o apostate_n church_n and_o the_o mixture_n of_o man_n invention_n with_o god_n ordinance_n in_o apostasy_n be_v distinct_o and_o careful_o regard_v they_o may_v be_v through_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n some_o good_a mean_n to_o stay_v people_n from_o anabaptistry_n &_o other_o ill_a course_n by_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o thing_n that_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v on_o the_o one_o hand_n and_o to_o bring_v man_n more_o sound_o to_o separation_n from_o the_o apostasy_n of_o antichrist_n by_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o thing_n to_o be_v observe_v on_o the_o other_o hand_n somewhat_o as_o it_o please_v god_n to_o give_v i_o to_o discern_v i_o observe_v &_o write_v tend_v this_o way_n long_o since_o as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o answer_n to_o mr._n jacob_n 31.32_o where_o also_o i_o note_v my_o wont_a use_v of_o this_o caution_n thereabouts_o in_o respect_n of_o this_o or_o that_o estate_n as_o also_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o apology_n where_o i_o speak_v with_o the_o same_o caution_n p._n 109._o lin_v 31.32_o pag._n 7._o where_o i_o speak_v of_o a_o double_a consideration_n of_o christian_n in_o one_o respect_n true_a and_o in_o a_o other_o false_a as_o also_o of_o salvation_n now_o have_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n pag._n 13_o and_o 47._o which_o necessary_o impli_v the_o people_n of_o god_n and_o his_o covenant_n to_o be_v there_o for_o whosoever_o be_v save_v they_o be_v the_o people_n of_o god_n and_o under_o his_o covenant_n in_o christ_n but_o so_o much_o and_o so_o particular_o i_o observe_v not_o then_o as_o since_o it_o have_v please_v god_n to_o manifest_v thereabouts_o god_n open_v his_o will_v &_o the_o mystery_n of_o his_o word_n when_o and_o as_o he_o please_v that_o we_o may_v still_o perceive_v and_o acknowledge_v we_o know_v but_o in_o part_n and_o that_o we_o may_v be_v earnest_a in_o prayer_n &_o by_o all_o mean_v endeavour_n to_o grow_v in_o grace_n and_o in_o the_o knowledge_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n and_o thus_o much_o i_o think_v at_o this_o time_n by_o this_o occasion_n to_o write_v unto_o you_o hereabout_o by_o which_o you_o may_v perceive_v how_o they_o which_o for_o these_o thing_n speak_v of_o we_o as_o if_o we_o be_v go_v back_o to_o england_n may_v by_o this_o colour_n also_o say_v we_o be_v go_v back_o to_o rome_n and_o you_o may_v consider_v with_o yourself_o whether_o the_o people_n that_o live_v in_o the_o prophet_n time_n and_o be_v set_v against_o they_o in_o those_o day_n may_v not_o with_o such_o pretence_n and_o collection_n have_v say_v that_o the_o prophet_n have_v be_v decline_v to_o the_o apostate_n israelites_n when_o they_o call_v and_o esteem_v they_o to_o be_v the_o people_n of_o god_n &_o acknowledge_v the_o circumcision_n have_v in_o the_o apostasy_n to_o be_v true_a circumcision_n etc._n etc._n but_o now_o i_o will_v proceed_v to_o their_o next_o objection_n for_o the_o sixth_o and_o last_o exception_n of_o they_o which_o be_v about_o have_v the_o counsel_n &_o help_v of_o the_o english_a church_n at_o leyden_n to_o which_o therefore_o may_v be_v refer_v the_o nine_o and_o the_o other_o three_o particular_n annex_v unto_o it_o in_o the_o print_a copy_n note_v here_o as_o in_o the_o other_o before_o that_o they_o mention_v not_o the_o answer_n that_o be_v then_o give_v hereabout_o as_o namely_o that_o we_o will_v permit_v it_o though_o for_o some_o reason_n we_o absteyn_v from_o desire_v it_o and_o send_v for_o they_o about_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n or_o give_v our_o consent_n so_o to_o do_v of_o which_o point_n i_o shall_v write_v more_o hereafter_o but_o first_o i_o will_v here_o know_v why_o they_o never_o speak_v of_o this_o that_o we_o be_v constent_fw-la to_o permit_v it_o or_o be_v our_o permission_n of_o it_o a_o deny_v of_o the_o practice_n of_o it_o as_o now_o they_o object_n in_o the_o print_a copy_n do_v paul_n deny_v that_o which_o he_o speak_v by_o permission_n though_o for_o some_o cause_n he_o do_v it_o not_o of_o commandment_n 1_o cor._n 7_o 6._o or_o do_v moses_n deny_v the_o practice_n of_o that_o which_o he_o permit_v though_o for_o good_a cause_n he_o will_v not_o enjoin_v it_o deut._n 24_o 1._o this_o thing_n than_o may_v have_v be_v better_o observe_v and_o regard_v of_o they_o than_o it_o have_v be_v special_o see_v they_o know_v we_o make_v question_n of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o do_v any_o more_o in_o this_o case_n then_o only_o to_o permit_v it_o and_o show_v also_o then_o divers_a reason_n thereabouts_o some_o whereof_o i_o will_v now_o mention_v as_o 1._o that_o now_o the_o other_o church_n and_o we_o be_v in_o peace_n together_o and_o if_o by_o this_o occasion_n the_o peace_n between_o we_o shall_v be_v break_v they_o shall_v not_o say_v of_o we_o that_o we_o send_v for_o they_o our_o care_n be_v what_o in_o we_o lay_v to_o nourish_v peace_n between_v we_o and_o to_o prevent_v &_o cut_v off_o all_o occasion_n of_o division_n etc._n etc._n 2._o that_o the_o church_n of_o leyden_n be_v in_o the_o same_o error_n with_o those_o of_o our_o people_n who_o desire_v their_o help_n whereupon_o we_o wish_v it_o shall_v be_v consider_v whether_o we_o may_v approve_v of_o any_o to_o come_v in_o such_o case_n but_o such_o as_o we_o know_v to_o hold_v and_o maintain_v the_o truth_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n 3._o that_o former_a experience_n with_o other_o might_n also_o just_o cause_v we_o to_o be_v well_o advise_v and_o circumspect_a what_o to_o do_v in_o this_o behalf_n which_o when_o we_o write_v of_o to_o leyden_n themselves_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v such_o as_o may_v just_o make_v we_o cautelous_a but_o withal_o they_o write_v how_o we_o may_v esteem_v better_o of_o they_o then_o of_o the_o other_o in_o divers_a respect_n as_o be_v more_o studious_a of_o our_o peace_n and_o more_o careful_a of_o the_o cause_n of_o christ_n and_o that_o whereas_o the_o other_o will_v have_v bring_v in_o new_a doctrine_n and_o faith_n among_o we_o they_o if_o in_o any_o thing_n they_o oppose_v any_o of_o we_o use_v note_v here_o the_o term_n of_o opposition_n thus_o use_v shall_v do_v it_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o common_a and_o
and_o example_n of_o the_o godly_a in_o former_a time_n if_o these_o man_n will_v now_o without_o prejudice_n examine_v their_o opinion_n and_o course_n aforesaid_a they_o shall_v find_v it_o high_a time_n for_o they_o to_o make_v a_o stand_n to_o observe_v the_o work_n of_o god_n upon_o they_o &_o to_o give_v themselves_o no_o rest_n till_o they_o have_v forsake_v their_o error_n &_o redress_v their_o crooked_a way_n be_v they_o otherwise_o never_o so_o please_v unto_o they_o or_o ancient_a with_o they_o so_o shall_v they_o in_o deed_n keep_v the_o ancient_a faith_n and_o walk_v in_o the_o old_a and_o good_a way_n prescribe_v of_o god_n let_v they_o therefore_o hearken_v to_o the_o instruction_n and_o counsel_n give_v unto_o they_o let_v the_o way_v of_o god_n be_v in_o their_o heart_n and_o his_o fear_n before_o their_o eye_n let_v they_o think_v on_o their_o own_o way_n and_o turn_v their_o foot_n unto_o his_o testimony_n let_v they_o make_v haste_n and_o not_o delay_v to_o keep_v his_o commmandement_n psal_n 119.59.60_o and_o to_o this_o end_n let_v they_o about_o the_o thing_n speak_v of_o consider_v well_o of_o these_o two_o point_n 1._o of_o the_o question_n themselves_o that_o have_v ben_fw-mi and_o be_v between_v we_o and_o therein_o especial_o of_o those_o difference_n whereabout_o they_o sever_v themselves_o from_o we_o 2._o of_o the_o charge_n lay_v upon_o the_o pastor_n and_o elder_n over_o the_o flock_n commit_v unto_o they_o by_o the_o lord_n and_o of_o the_o duty_n require_v of_o the_o people_n again_o towards_o the_o governor_n who_o the_o lord_n set_v over_o they_o in_o his_o stead_n of_o the_o first_o i_o have_v treat_v here_o and_o in_o another_o treatise_n before_o write_v about_o the_o exposition_n of_o mat._n 18.17_o for_o the_o latter_a see_v these_o &_o the_o like_a scripture_n throughout_o the_o book_n of_o god_n exod._n 20_o 12._o 2_o chron._n 26_o 16-21_a act._n 20_o 17_o 28._o rom._n 12_o 3-8_a 1_o cor._n 12_o 28._o ephes_n 4_o 11-16_a col._n 4_o 17._o 1_o thes_n 5_o 12_o 13._o 1_o tim._n 5_o 17-21_a and_z 6_o 13.14_o tit._n 2_o 15._o jam._n 5_o 14._o 1_o pet._n 5_o 14_a rev._n 2_o &_o 3_o heb._n 13_o 17._o and_o now_o to_o conclude_v beside_o all_o the_o former_a thing_n we_o entreat_v they_o also_o that_o see_v the_o same_o matter_n be_v then_o in_o hand_n both_o between_o mr._n amsworth_n and_o mr._n bernard_n and_o between_o mr._n robinson_n and_o mr._n bernard_n that_o therefore_o they_o will_v stay_v to_o see_v what_o this_o way_n may_v come_v to_o pass_v for_o the_o more_o clear_n of_o the_o point_n in_o difference_n between_v we_o and_o our_o better_a accord_n thereabouts_o but_o they_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v so_o to_o do_v and_o then_o final_o after_o a_o year_n dispute_v public_o have_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n common_o once_o a_o week_n common_o &_o all_o the_o other_o mean_v use_v among_o we_o i_o offer_v in_o the_o end_n as_o i_o say_v before_o to_o try_v out_o the_o matter_n in_o writing_n between_v we_o and_o give_v forth_o unto_o they_o the_o observation_n which_o then_o i_o have_v collect_v about_o mat._n 18.17_o print_v which_o since_o be_v print_v which_o they_o both_o hear_v public_o read_v and_o have_v they_o to_o copy_n out_o afore_o they_o go_v away_o from_o we_o yet_o will_v they_o not_o yield_v hereunto_o but_o when_o we_o have_v appoint_v another_o day_n in_o the_o week_n about_o these_o thing_n than_o have_v they_o some_o speech_n of_o divers_a particular_n in_o the_o foresay_a writing_n whereabout_o also_o we_o speak_v again_o and_o so_o some_o speech_n pass_v between_o we_o thereabouts_o but_o to_o give_v answer_n unto_o it_o in_o writing_n they_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v neither_o will_v they_o continewe_v any_o long_o with_o the_o church_n but_o with_o great_a sin_n and_o scandal_n divide_v themselves_o from_o we_o which_o they_o profess_v that_o day_n 1610._o december_n 15._o and_o 16._o 1610._o &_o practise_v the_o next_o and_o so_o have_v continue_v ever_o since_o allege_v the_o say_n of_o the_o apostle_n to_o the_o roman_n rom._n 16_o 17_o which_o be_v so_o direct_a against_o themselves_o and_o for_o we_o as_o i_o will_v now_o allege_v no_o other_o scripture_n at_o all_o against_o the_o division_n and_o scandal_n cause_v by_o they_o but_o leave_v they_o even_o by_o this_o to_o be_v judge_v of_o their_o own_o mouth_n which_o they_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o lay_v to_o heart_n &_o to_o ponder_v serious_o with_o themselves_o see_v that_o by_o the_o very_a scripture_n which_o themselves_o allege_v all_o be_v bind_v to_o mark_v they_o and_o avoid_v they_o as_o have_v make_v division_n and_o offence_n contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n which_o we_o have_v learn_v of_o the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n of_o the_o lord_n rom._n 16_o 17._o thus_o have_v i_o more_o large_o than_o i_o think_v write_v hereabout_o and_o do_v now_o leave_v it_o to_o your_o wise_a and_o godly_a consideration_n as_o it_o shall_v please_v the_o lord_n by_o his_o word_n and_o spirit_n to_o direct_v and_o persuade_v you_o therein_o farewell_n in_o the_o lord_n who_o remember_v his_o people_n in_o their_o base_a and_o distress_a estate_n and_o give_v a_o issue_n with_o every_o tentation_n who_o also_o will_v deliver_v we_o from_o every_o evil_a work_n &_o preserve_v we_o to_o his_o heavenly_a kingdom_n by_o christ_n our_o redeemer_n to_o who_o be_v glory_n for_o ever_o and_o ever_o amen_n his_o grace_n be_v with_o you_o and_o his_o strong_a consolation_n in_o your_o spirit_n for_o ever_o amen_n you_o francis_n johnson_n thus_o good_a reader_n i_o have_v set_v down_o m._n johnsons_n answer_n to_o the_o objection_n contain_v in_o m._n a._n letter_n and_o the_o print_a copy_n about_o the_o division_n aforesaid_a now_o i_o will_v here_o also_o annexe_v a_o note_n that_o be_v print_v heretofore_o concern_v these_o thing_n which_o be_v first_o discuss_v be_v then_o agree_v upon_o by_o the_o church_n the_o note_n be_v this_o as_o follow_v ¶_o a_o note_n of_o some_o thing_n call_v into_o question_n and_o controvert_v in_o the_o exile_a english_a church_n at_o amsterdam_n etc._n by_o this_o course_n we_o have_v much_o contention_n &_o trouble_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v hold_v among_o we_o that_o such_o as_o be_v to_o be_v deal_v withal_o public_o for_o sin_n shall_v not_o be_v admonish_v by_o the_o elder_n whereupon_o the_o proceed_n against_o they_o if_o they_o persist_v therein_o may_v follow_v but_o that_o the_o people_n consent_n be_v first_o to_o be_v take_v afore_o the_o elder_n do_v so_o admonish_v any_o such_o person_n this_o point_n about_o admonition_n be_v handle_v and_o thus_o agree_v upon_o from_o 2_o chron._n 19_o 8_o 9_o 10._o deut._n 17_o 8-13_a 1_o thes_n 5_o 12._o etc._n etc._n to_o this_o effect_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o the_o elder_n in_o the_o public_a administration_n of_o government_n &_o in_o matter_n bring_v to_o the_o church_n to_o admonish_v the_o sinner_n and_o unrepentant_a without_o require_v the_o people_n their_o consent_n first_o which_o admonition_n of_o the_o elder_n be_v despise_v the_o party_n upon_o it_o be_v to_o be_v excommunicate_v aright_o our_o bind_a duty_n in_o the_o lord_n and_o freedom_n according_a to_o his_o word_n both_o be_v to_o be_v respect_v &_o observe_v aright_o and_o all_o the_o brethren_n be_v bind_v to_o consent_v unto_o such_o just_a rebuke_n or_o admonition_n give_v by_o the_o elder_n as_o to_o the_o public_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o they_o be_v to_o assent_v unto_o all_o other_o the_o just_a administration_n of_o the_o governor_n they_o be_v able_a to_o justify_v the_o same_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o again_o the_o people_n have_v liberty_n to_o except_v against_o and_o evince_v wherein_o the_o elder_n do_v unjust_o without_o warrant_n as_o also_o in_o all_o good_a order_n without_o disturbance_n and_o under_o correction_n they_o may_v ask_v resolution_n of_o their_o doubt_n and_o so_o by_o this_o mean_v all_o popular_a confusion_n be_v avoid_v &_o liberty_n in_o the_o truth_n retain_v also_o after_o much_o and_o often_o reason_v about_o our_o practice_n and_o understanding_n of_o mat._n 18_o 15_o 16_o 17._o it_o be_v agree_v by_o the_o church_n that_o we_o etre_v in_o the_o understanding_n of_o that_o scripture_n &_o namely_o in_o these_o particular_n follow_a first_o in_o that_o we_o have_v so_o understand_v those_o word_n tell_v the_o church_n &c_n &c_n that_o they_o may_v not_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o jew_n synedrion_fw-mi nor_o of_o the_o christian_a presbytery_n or_o eldership_n and_o this_o moreover_o so_o as_o some_o among_o we_o will_v by_o the_o word_n church_n in_o that_o place_n have_v understand_v man_n woman_n and_o child_n in_o their_o own_o person_n meaning_n by_o
body_n be_v compound_v of_o they_o both_o there_o be_v both_o the_o body_n and_o putrefaction_n in_o the_o putrify_a body_n so_o be_v a_o body_n that_o be_v swell_v with_o the_o water_n cause_v the_o dropsy_n both_o be_v together_o and_o yet_o so_o together_o as_o either_o one_o of_o the_o two_o or_o both_o together_o must_v needs_o perish_v if_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o body_n be_v strong_a the_o corruption_n and_o dropsy_n water_n decay_v but_o if_o the_o corruption_n or_o dropsy_n prevail_v there_o be_v most_o certain_a destruction_n of_o they_o both_o so_o be_v the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o in_o itself_o it_o be_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n if_o a_o deadly_a disease_n grow_v upon_o it_o both_o be_v then_o together_o the_o body_n and_o the_o disease_n in_o the_o body_n if_o the_o purge_a medicine_n of_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n for_o nothing_o be_v here_o natural_a be_v of_o the_o more_o efficacy_n the_o disease_n than_o be_v vanquish_v and_o decay_v but_o if_o the_o disease_n prevail_v then_o both_o of_o they_o the_o body_n and_o the_o disease_n must_v needs_o come_v to_o a_o end_n for_o such_o be_v the_o condition_n of_o the_o disease_n it_o both_o feed_v itself_o on_o the_o dodie_n decay_v and_o destroy_v itself_o together_o with_o the_o body_n after_o this_o manner_n therefore_o do_v we_o esteem_v of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o they_o call_v the_o papal_a or_o popish_a church_n there_o be_v the_o church_n there_o be_v the_o papacy_n and_o there_o be_v the_o papal_a church_n as_o there_o be_v the_o church_n it_o be_v the_o subject_n of_o god_n as_o there_o be_v the_o papacy_n there_o be_v the_o disease_n of_o man_n as_o it_o be_v the_o papal_a church_n there_o be_v a_o fight_n between_v the_o church_n and_o the_o papacy_n that_o will_v destroy_v either_o one_o of_o they_o apart_o or_o both_o together_o if_o god_n shall_v give_v it_o the_o purge_a medicine_n of_o his_o grace_n by_o mean_n whereof_o the_o papacy_n the_o accidentarie_a evil_a decay_n and_o perish_v it_o be_v well_o but_o if_o the_o papacy_n that_o most_o faulty_a and_o corrupt_a order_n and_o deadly_a accident_n prevail_v it_o will_v bring_v destruction_n to_o both_o of_o they_o both_o to_o the_o church_n and_o to_o itself_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n and_o this_o now_o in_o the_o memory_n of_o our_o father_n and_o our_o own_o we_o see_v to_o have_v befall_v many_o church_n which_o cleave_v fast_o unto_o that_o roman_a church_n for_o when_o it_o seem_v good_a unto_o god_n more_o clear_o to_o enkindle_v the_o torch_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o to_o scatter_v the_o papal_a smoke_n by_o his_o spirit_n there_o remain_v church_n return_v by_o his_o grace_n to_o a_o better_a constitution_n and_o strong_a health_n &_o that_o which_o be_v of_o the_o pope_n depart_v vanish_v away_o through_o his_o own_o corruption_n but_o when_o as_o god_n send_v not_o that_o purge_a medicine_n of_o his_o divine_a grace_n into_o the_o body_n of_o any_o church_n than_o the_o popish_a corrupt_a blood_n get_v strength_n more_o and_o more_o which_o will_v be_v to_o that_o church_n deadly_a destruction_n unless_o god_n of_o his_o mercy_n provide_v a_o remedy_n in_o the_o remembrance_n and_o conscience_n of_o this_o benefit_n do_v our_o church_n fit_o sing_v with_o the_o prophet_n blessed_n be_v the_o lord_n which_o have_v not_o give_v we_o for_o a_o prey_n unto_o their_o tooth_n our_o soul_n be_v escape_v even_o as_o a_o bird_n out_o of_o the_o snare_n of_o the_o fouler_n the_o snare_n be_v break_v and_o we_o be_v deliver_v our_o help_n be_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n etc._n etc._n psal_n 124._o wherefore_o in_o my_o judgement_n they_o speak_v preposterous_o who_o ask_v whether_o the_o church_n be_v in_o the_o papacy_n because_o on_o the_o contrary_a it_o shall_v be_v ask_v whether_o the_o papacy_n be_v in_o the_o church_n for_o the_o subject_n be_v not_o in_o the_o accident_n but_o the_o accident_n in_o the_o subject_n who_o be_v be_v a_o in_o be_v or_o to_o be_v in_o a_o thing_n as_o man_n common_o speak_v and_o that_o the_o papacy_n be_v in_o the_o church_n as_o the_o order_n or_o estate_n of_o apostasy_n in_o the_o house_n and_o city_n of_o god_n be_v as_o certain_a as_o that_o of_o the_o apostle_n be_v certain_a 2_o thes_n 2._o that_o the_o man_n of_o sin_n the_o son_n of_o perdition_n sit_v in_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n with_o his_o whole_a order_n or_o rank_n of_o apostate_n and_o not_o on_o the_o other_o side_n that_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n consist_v in_o that_o order_n and_o number_n of_o apostate_n which_o be_v a_o thing_n most_o strange_a &_o further_a off_o but_o the_o term_n of_o the_o papacy_n take_v double_o and_o aequivocal_o deceive_v they_o in_o such_o fort_n as_o here_o before_o we_o show_v concern_v the_o roman_a popish_a church_n for_o under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o papacy_n which_o be_v a_o foul_a corrupt_a order_n they_o comprehend_v the_o subject_n itself_o which_o be_v annoy_v with_o that_o corruption_n not_o distinguish_v aright_o between_o these_o thing_n as_o therefore_o if_o any_o shall_v deny_v that_o to_o be_v a_o body_n which_o lie_v in_o a_o deadly_a sort_n swollen_a with_o the_o water_n of_o the_o dropsy_n or_o shall_v affirm_v that_o water_n which_o choke_v the_o body_n to_o be_v the_o body_n itself_o shall_v in_o both_o these_o be_v deceive_v in_o his_o judgement_n so_o also_o be_v both_o deceive_v as_o well_o they_o which_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v the_o church_n because_o the_o papacy_n be_v in_o it_o as_o they_o which_o avouch_v the_o papacy_n to_o be_v the_o church_n itself_o which_o we_o have_v before_o disprove_v the_o papacy_n be_v a_o poison_n in_o the_o church_n which_o poison_n must_v needs_o be_v vomit_v out_o if_o it_o will_v be_v preserve_v or_o else_o the_o church_n will_v be_v extinguish_v by_o it_o if_o it_o suffer_v that_o poison_n to_o prevail_v and_o possess_v all_o the_o vein_n of_o the_o body_n but_o how_o can_v she_o be_v the_o church_n will_n some_o say_v in_o which_o the_o papacy_n be_v to_o wit_n as_o there_o be_v the_o body_n in_o which_o a_o disease_n work_v but_o because_o the_o papacy_n be_v a_o deadly_a corruption_n the_o more_o that_o the_o papacy_n get_v strength_n the_o more_o the_o church_n be_v weaken_v the_o increase_n of_o the_o one_o be_v the_o decrease_n of_o the_o other_o and_o hence_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o in_o the_o church_n which_o be_v call_v popish_a some_o be_v more_o healthy_a &_o some_o more_o unhealthie_a than_o other_o the_o more_o healthy_a be_v those_o which_o have_v less_o of_o the_o papacy_n &_o more_o of_o the_o church_n and_o those_o be_v the_o more_o unhealthie_a which_o have_v more_o of_o the_o papacy_n &_o less_o of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o this_o kind_n i_o doubt_v not_o that_o church_n to_o be_v which_o at_o this_o day_n be_v at_o rome_n for_o it_o have_v long_o ago_o give_v up_o the_o ghost_n if_o god_n by_o the_o imposition_n of_o his_o grace_n and_o long_o suffer_v have_v not_o nourish_v and_o keep_v it_o warm_v notwithstanding_o that_o we_o may_v give_v content_a unto_o their_o mind_n which_o do_v not_o yet_o reach_v unto_o these_o thing_n or_o think_v that_o they_o be_v more_o subtle_o then_o true_o speak_v of_o the_o church_n which_o they_o call_v the_o papal_a or_o popish_a church_n let_v we_o answer_n this_o question_n in_o few_o word_n from_o the_o regard_n of_o all_o particular_a church_n as_o they_o be_v among_o man_n or_o in_o consideration_n of_o thing_n humane_a every_o church_n which_o in_o deed_n be_v a_o church_n be_v consider_v two_o way_n on_o god_n behalf_n as_o they_o speak_v and_o on_o our_o behalf_n on_o god_n behalf_n it_o be_v altogether_o a_o church_n wheresoever_o there_o be_v find_v a_o company_n call_v of_o god_n with_o his_o call_n by_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o the_o ministry_n of_o person_n ordain_v for_o holy_a thing_n and_o divine_a action_n on_o our_o behalf_n there_o be_v no_o church_n at_o all_o although_o it_o be_v so_o of_o god_n as_o we_o have_v say_v to_o which_o there_o do_v not_o cleave_v corruption_n concern_v the_o person_n thing_n action_n and_o final_o the_o whole_a ministry_n of_o man_n ordain_v by_o god_n and_o that_o which_o be_v on_o god_n part_n be_v not_o take_v away_o by_o our_o default_n so_o long_o as_o it_o seem_v good_a unto_o the_o lord_n to_o acknowledge_v it_o for_o his_o church_n &_o call_v it_o with_o his_o call_n by_o the_o spirit_n &_o holy_a scripture_n &_o the_o ministry_n for_o shall_v the_o unbelee_v of_o man_n say_v the_o apostle_n ro._n 3.3_o make_v the_o say_v of_o god_n without_o effect_n shall_v the_o weakness_n of_o man_n make_v void_a