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A49694 The Visitation, or, Long look'd-for comes at last in the submission of Mr. Baxter, Mr. Jenkins, and others, to the several parts of the Act of Uniformity. R. L. 1662 (1662) Wing L56D; ESTC R43335 9,919 33

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THE VISITATION OR Long look'd-for comes at last IN THE SUBMISSION OF Mr. BAXTER Mr. JENKINS and others to the several parts of the Act of Uniformity RABBI BUSIE Pigg may be eaten exceedingly well eaten B. John LONDON Printed in AUGUST If one WON'T another MUST 1662. TO THE READER READER WHen Lawes cannot prevail Authority cannot awe favours cannot oblige reasons cannot convince some persons otherwise minded It s our Last refuge to presse upon them their own words that if they will not hear us they may hear themselves hoping that they will be unwilling to be of their number who as the Apostle saith Condemn themselves If our hearts condemn us not God is greater then our hearts and knoweth all things This little Book hath cleared this great Truth for the use of the present age and posteritie viz. That there is nothing imposed by the Act of Uniformity but what hath been owned by Mr. Perkins Mr. Dod Mr. Ball Mr. Baxter Mr. Vines Mr. Jeakins c. and other Non-Conformists that writ since the Troubles at Franckford as appears by their own words faithfully recited from their several Books and Pages to the impartiall to whose reading the following quoted places in the Authors are Commended By your Old Friend R. L. THE VISITATION OR Long look'd for comes at last Bishop Mr. Baxter Bishop MR. Baxter I pray tell me seriously Whether you think in your Conscience that Ministers ought not to submit to an Act of Uniformity Mr. Baxter 1. We must obey both Magistrates and Pastors in those things that belong to their Office D●sp Ch. Government p. 44● 2. It belongs to their Office to command the Modes and Circumstances of Worship for guiding them therein God hath given them generall Rules 3. We must not take the lawfull Commands of our Superiour to be unlawfull 4. If we do through weaknesse or pervesnesse take lawfull things to be unlawfull that will not excuse us in our disobedience Bishop What do you think concerning a Liturgy Mr. Baxter My Lord I have proved by seven or eight undeniable Arguments 1. a Ibid. p. 359. That a stinted Liturgy is lawfull 2. b P. 380. That it is lawfull to use a Liturgy that is not taken out of the Scripture as to the words 3. Christ hath not commanded in what words I shall pray whether imposed by others or not whether with a Book or a preconceived form or not yet I am sure he hath commanded obedience and peace 4. c P. 365. I think that a stinted Liturgy in some parts of holy publick Service is ordinarily necessary 1. In reading the Word 2. In singing Psalms 3. In Baptism 4. In administring the Lords Supper 5. In blessing people in the name of the Lord 6. In confessing our saith and sins in Marriage Confirmation Absolution Excommunication 7. In Prayer 5. d P. 367. I have declared that a form of Prayer at some times may not only be submitted to but be desired when the peace of the Church doth accidentally require it and that he is far from the temper of a Christian that sets so light by the peace of the Church that he would not use a lawfull means for the procuring of it when Paul would become all things to all men to save some Bishop What do you think I pray of our Liturgy Mr. Baxter For the Book of the Common-Prayer Disput Ibid. though I have read exceptions against divers passages I remembred not any thing that might not receive a good Construction if it were read with the same candour and allowance we read the writings of other men against which I hate to be peevishly quarrelsome when God hath blessed this Church so wonderfully with a cautelous and a moderate Reformation yet effectuall the more pitty it is that the very Modes of Worship and Discipline should be the matter of such sharp and uncharitable discords which must one day prove the grief of those that are found to be the causers of it and of the sufferings of the Church upon that occasion Bishop I pray what do you think of the Ceremonies of our Church Mr. Baxter To deal plainly with you my Lord e P. 359. I think significant Ceremonies are lawfull as the Surplisse and sign of the Crosse as a professing signal action P. 405. standing at the Creed and adoring with their faces towards the East which were used by the Primitive Christians as significations of their minds instead of words in all which cases its no Usurpation or Diminution to the word or Institution of man thus to determine It is but an obeying of Gods commands for my part I did obey the imposers of such Ceremonies and would do it if it were to do again ☞ rather then disturbe the peace of the Church and be deprived of its Communion Bishop Do you think really between God and your own Conscience that the Scripture hath provided so exactly for all circumstances in Worship that there is nothing left for Superiors to impose Mr. Baxter No Because Christs Law is an Universal Law for all Ages and Countries but these circumstances cannot be of an Universal determination For example God hath commanded us to read the word c. which must necessarily be done in some time and place gesture and number of words but he hath nor commanded what day what hour what Chapter P. 8. Disput c. These things belonging to Superiors to prescribe for common union and concord amongst men Bishop I pray what think you will be the issue of mens disobedience to such lawfull things imposed Mr. Baxter Hereby the Members of the Church will be involved in Contentions Disp Ibid. and so engaged in bitter uncharitablenesse and censures with Persecutions and Reproaches one of another which scandalous courses will nourish Vice dishonour God rejoyce the Enemies grieve the Godly that are peaceable and judicious and wound the Consciences of the Contenders We see the beginnings of such fires are small but whither they will tend and what will be the issue of them I know not Bishop Whom do I see behind you Mr. Baxter Mr. Baxter Mr. Jeanes Bishop Mr. Jeanes you are a person I know not whether more eminent for your parts or your opposition to the Church What are your thoughts of the things now in controversie Mr. Jeanes I have expressed my self f Appear Evil p. 3. That the Church may be secure and regardlesse of any Calumnies and groundlesse Exceptions against it for there hath been so much spoken and ☞ written concerning this subject as that the pretence of weaknesse is quite taken away from those that are capable of information Bishop I must confesse I have allwayes thought that if the Ancient Martyrs and Confessors were raised from their graves they would all submit to an act of Vniformity I pray here what they say 1. Peter M. If we hold on in diswading from these indifferent things we condemn withall very many