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A26655 Jesuitico-Quakerism examined, or, A confutation of the blasphemous and unreasonable principles of the Quakers with a vindication of the Church of God in Britain, from their malicious clamours, and slanderous aspersions / by John Alexander ... Alexander, John, 1638-1716. 1680 (1680) Wing A916; ESTC R21198 193,704 258

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salvation_n whereas_o these_o man_n there_o speak_v of_o be_v before_o of_o old_a ordain_v to_o condemnation_n say_v the_o text._n fifteen_o query_n whether_o or_o not_o the_o prophet_n christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n and_o holy_a man_n of_o god_n do_v preach_v down_o perfection_n and_o say_v that_o man_n shall_v not_o be_v perfect_a while_o they_o be_v on_o earth_n but_o that_o they_o shall_v carry_v about_o a_o body_n of_o death_n with_o they_o while_o they_o be_v on_o this_o side_n of_o the_o grave_a let_v we_o see_v where_o this_o be_v write_v by_o any_o of_o they_o all_o survey_n the_o quaker_n here_o be_v fight_v with_o their_o own_o shadow_n and_o however_o this_o mock-inspirer_n drop_v in_o the_o quaker_n own_o principle_n sure_o i_o be_o he_o be_v a_o base_a traducer_n of_o other_o man_n doctrine_n for_o what_o minister_n of_o we_o do_v ever_o preach_v that_o man_n shall_v not_o be_v perfect_a here_o in_o this_o life_n sure_o enough_o they_o shall_v be_v perfect_a but_o the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o be_v their_o duty_n and_o what_o they_o shall_v be_v but_o what_o be_v their_o reach_n and_o attainment_n the_o saint_n be_v indeed_o perfect_o justify_v here-away_a rom._n 8.1_o nor_o can_v a_o remission_n or_o pardon_v of_o sin_n or_o a_o imputation_n of_o righteousness_n be_v understand_v except_o it_o be_v a_o full_a pardon_n and_o a_o full_a imputation_n the_o question_n therefore_o be_v only_o concern_v the_o saint_n their_o sanctification_n in_o this_o life_n in_o regard_n of_o which_o i_o must_v distinguish_v a_o perfection_n of_o part_n which_o be_v when_o we_o have_v a_o degree_n of_o every_o grace_n and_o be_v renew_v in_o some_o measure_n in_o every_o power_n and_o faculty_n of_o the_o whole_a man_n though_o we_o be_v not_o come_v to_o the_o just_a and_o due_a measure_n in_o any_o of_o they_o and_o a_o perfection_n of_o degree_n which_o consist_v in_o the_o complete_a measure_n of_o our_o conformity_n and_o our_o exact_a correspondence_n to_o the_o law_n of_o god_n in_o respect_n of_o all_o whatsoever_o it_o require_v but_o george_n keith_n divine_a condescension_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d wherein_o he_o abuse_v some_o worthy_a man_n do_v not_o consist_v in_o god_n remit_v or_o nullify_n of_o his_o law_n in_o its_o direction_n and_o obligation_n as_o our_o rule_n which_o can_v be_v matth._n 5.18_o 19_o but_o in_o the_o divine_a acceptance_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o a_o redeemer_n and_o surety_n instead_o of_o our_o own_o personal_a righteousness_n of_o work_n the_o first_o kind_n of_o perfection_n i_o willing_o yield_v to_o the_o saint_n in_o this_o life_n see_v every_o true_a and_o real_a saint_n have_v some_o measure_n of_o every_o grace_n and_o be_v in_o some_o degree_n renew_v in_o every_o power_n and_o faculty_n of_o the_o whole_a man_n ephes_n 4.24_o colos_n 3.10_o but_o that_o any_o man_n be_v perfect_a in_o this_o life_n in_o the_o second_o sense_n of_o perfection_n which_o yet_o be_v the_o most_o proper_a so_o as_o to_o be_v altogether_o sinless_a as_o george_n keith_n will_v have_v it_o in_o his_o quakerism_n no_o popery_n pag._n 37._o 38._o i_o utter_o deny_v and_o albeit_o the_o affirmer_n be_v still_o oblige_v to_o prove_v not_o i_o the_o denier_n yet_o i_o prove_v it_o first_o because_o david_n say_v psal_n 19.12_o who_o can_v understand_v his_o error_n and_o he_o pray_v psal_n 143.2_o that_o god_n will_v not_o enter_v into_o judgement_n with_o he_o for_o in_o thy_o sight_n say_v he_o no_o man_n live_a shall_v be_v justify_v viz._n by_o his_o own_o righteousness_n and_o goodness_n and_o so_o he_o entreat_v not_o to_o be_v examine_v or_o judged_n according_a to_o what_o he_o be_v in_o himself_o and_o i_o still_o believe_v that_o he_o be_v as_o perfect_a as_o any_o quaker_n or_o george_n keith_n a_o antesignanus_n or_o banner-bearer_n among_o they_o second_o solomon_n who_o be_v as_o wise_a as_o any_o quaker_n say_v prov._n 20.7_o who_o can_v say_v i_o have_v make_v my_o heart_n clean_o i_o be_o pure_a from_o my_o sin_n the_o quaker_n answer_v he_o forsooth_o that_o they_o can_v say_v it_o let_v they_o be_v do_v then_o and_o contradict_v he_o and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n too_o by_o who_o inspiration_n he_o be_v order_v in_o write_v of_o that_o for_o i_o can_v hinder_v they_o their_o moon_n be_v at_o the_o full._n three_o the_o apostle_n tell_v we_o galat._n 5.17_o that_o the_o flesh_n lu_v against_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o spirit_n against_o the_o flesh_n in_o believer_n for_o he_o speak_v not_o of_o other_o who_o be_v all_o flesh_n or_o whole_o carnal_a and_o have_v no_o spirit_n or_o renew_a part_n so_o that_o they_o can_v behold_v how_o peremptory_a the_o expression_n be_v do_v the_o thing_n that_o they_o will_v such_o man_n be_v not_o perfect_a then_o albeit_o the_o quaker_n may_v possible_o differ_v from_o the_o apostle_n judgement_n four_o the_o apostle_n john_n say_v most_o peremptory_o 1_o joh._n 1.8_o that_o if_o we_o say_v we_o have_v no_o sin_n we_o deceive_v ourselves_o and_o the_o truth_n be_v not_o in_o we_o the_o quaker_n answer_n that_o the_o same_o apostle_n say_v chap._n 3.9_o that_o whosoever_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n do_v not_o commit_v sin_n for_o his_o seed_n remain_v in_o he_o and_o he_o can_v sin_v because_o he_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n but_o first_o this_o text_n can_v be_v mean_v of_o a_o full_a and_o complete_a perfection_n see_v every_o man_n have_v sin_n and_o he_o deceive_v himself_o that_o think_v otherwise_o by_o the_o former_a text_n and_o he_o that_o have_v any_o sin_n can_v be_v complete_o perfect_a second_o if_o this_o last_o text_n be_v mean_v of_o perfection_n it_o will_v prove_v every_o true_a convert_n from_o the_o very_a first_o new_a breath_n in_o he_o see_v even_o then_o he_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n which_o be_v the_o apostle_n ground_n why_o he_o can_v commit_v sin_n in_o the_o manner_n that_o he_o mean_v to_o be_v complete_o perfect_a and_o exempt_v from_o sin_n which_o yet_o i_o think_v the_o quaker_n themselves_o will_v not_o say_v the_o apostle_n therefore_o in_o the_o first_o text_n mean_v of_o sin_n dwell_v in_o the_o best_a of_o saint_n here_o away_o and_o therefore_o he_o express_v it_o by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o have_v sin_n and_o in_o the_o second_o text_n he_o mean_v of_o sin_n not_o only_a dwell_n but_o reign_v in_o we_o and_o make_v as_o it_o be_v a_o trade_n of_o and_o act_v with_o full_a consent_n which_o renew_a man_n can_v do_v and_o therefore_o he_o express_v this_o by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o make_v and_o devise_v or_o contrive_v sin_n as_o it_o be_v by_o trade_n george_n keith_n answer_v that_o though_o we_o have_v sin_n in_o we_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o our_o sin_n but_o our_o temptation_n quakerism_n not_o popery_n pag._n 38._o 39_o and_o that_o this_o do_v not_o infer_v actual_a sin_n however_o contrariwise_o the_o apostle_n call_v it_o sin_n and_o that_o peremptory_o certify_v we_o that_o we_o deceive_v ourselves_o if_o we_o say_v we_o have_v it_o not_o how_o then_o do_v george_n keith_n call_v it_o only_o a_o temptation_n to_o sin_n and_o whether_o shall_v we_o believe_v he_o or_o the_o apostle_n that_o call_v it_o express_o sin_n second_o if_o it_o be_v not_o our_o sin_n who_o sin_n i_o pray_v be_v it_o its_o not_o the_o devil_n see_v not_o he_o but_o we_o have_v it_o say_v the_o text_n and_o i_o be_o sure_a they_o will_v not_o be_v so_o impudent_o blasphemous_a as_o to_o ascribe_v it_o to_o god_n therefore_o it_o be_v certain_o we_o see_v it_o must_v be_v some_o body_n and_o it_o will_v also_o mud_n and_o defile_v our_o action_n five_o the_o apostle_n paul_n who_o be_v i_o believe_v more_o perfect_a than_o any_o quaker_n most_o heavy_o complain_v rom._n 7.15_o ver_fw-la to_o the_o end_n of_o his_o corruption_n imperfection_n and_o sin_n dwell_v in_o he_o against_o his_o will_n his_o heart_n and_o his_o strong_a inclination_n to_o the_o contrary_a and_o therefore_o certain_o he_o be_v not_o perfect_a and_o i_o know_v not_o who_o dare_v pretend_v beyond_o he_o but_o george_n keith_n reply_v quakerism_n not_o popery_n pag._n 39_o 40._o that_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o there_o describe_v his_o then-present-condition_n but_o the_o condition_n of_o himself_o and_o other_o as_o they_o be_v in_o the_o struggle_a and_o warfare_n estate_n before_o the_o victory_n be_v attain_v but_o contrariwise_o he_o be_v describe_v his_o then-present-condition_n for_o he_o be_v not_o then_o perfect_a nor_o long_o after_o it_o when_o he_o write_v the_o epistle_n from_o rome_n to_o the_o philippian_n compare_v philip._n 3.12_o with_o rom._n 1.11_o 13_o 15._o and_o 15.22_o 23._o which_o be_v several_a year_n after_o his_o writing_n of_o the_o