will_v persuade_v us._n that_o in_o the_o proper_a signification_n there_o be_v nothing_o either_o why_o regeneration_n shall_v signify_v only_o the_o first_o infusion_n of_o grace_n or_o rather_o this_o then_o the_o daily_a growth_n of_o it_o nor_o why_o renovation_n shall_v not_o signify_v the_o first_o begining_n of_o the_o new_a creature_n as_o well_o as_o the_o growth_n of_o it_o those_o that_o be_v skilful_a in_o the_o tongue_n will_v easy_o bear_v i_o witness_v and_o i_o take_v they_o that_o make_v this_o nice_a distinction_n betweee_v these_o two_o word_n to_o be_v better_o skill_v then_o to_o say_v that_o these_o word_n in_o their_o proper_a signification_n will_v justify_v this_o conceit_n therefore_o they_o must_v of_o necessity_n fly_v to_o the_o scripture_n and_o prove_v that_o there_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d usual_o translate_v regeneration_n be_v ever_o so_o restrain_v as_o that_o it_o always_o signify_v the_o first_o infusion_n of_o grace_n and_o not_o that_o 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