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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A68554	A brief censure vppon two bookes written in answere to M. Edmonde Campions offer of disputation; Briefe censure uppon two bookes written in answere to M. Edmonde Campions offer of disputation.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1581 (1581)	STC 19393; ESTC S106078	31,137	90

We know your doctrine bothe in Iohn Wicklife Luther and Caluine to be daungerous to al Princes whom you mislyke teaching that subiectes are not bound to obey their Princes for cōscience sake but that if the Prince rule amisse they are frée to restraine him and punish him at their pleasure which doctrines we condemne The commotions also of those of your religion in al countries where they can make their parties good are knowne to the worlde And I doubte whether you would liue soe quietlye in England as Catholiques do if the state pressed you as it dothe them but we teache it to be of conscience and dutie And it is but the cruel and bloody spirite of your ministers which by your books and sermons séeke to sturre vp bothe Prince and Maiestrate to aflict Catholiques more and more in England and to accounte them as disloyal subiectes wherby you will one daye proue that you hinder your cause more thē by anye one thing For it commeth not of that spirit which you would séeme to haue nether is it the waye to gayne men to your religion As the late racking and tormenting of those vertuous priestes for their consciences in the Tower wherof al Christendome at this daye talketh what hathe it gotten to your religion nothing but the casting of mens hartes into a horrour of suche straunge and vnwonted dealinges and if you should driue men by such means to desperation what gayneth your religion or the state therby But to retourne to M. Campion againe whose comming into Englande you wil néedes enforce as a politique man that sée the far into common wealthes that it is for practise against the state in hope of a golden day For the first he hathe aunswered you that he commethe with a quite contrarie purpose and with contrarie commaundement from his Superiors whoe deale in no country with matters of estate as the world can witnes as the Indies Iapon can geue example where they haue dealt so many yeares for the bringing of men to the Christian religion disalowed by the states of those countries and yet are noe medlers against those estates nor euer caused subiectes to leaue their obedience to those infidel Princes And to the second touching the golden daye which you talke of I know not in what sence you may speak it to that man whom al the goulde in England as I thinke wil not gilte for that he contemnethe gould as much as you desire it and flatter for the meanes wherby to gayne it And to tel you more plainly M. Charke in few words if M. Campion and you should mete in equal balances I thinke you would appeare to be to lyghte in those poyntes wherin you would séeme to your paryshoners to haue your ful waight Touching the matter TOuching the petition or matter demanded to wit disputation for trial of the truthe M. Charke in no wise likethe it saying more ouer That he would wonder if anye which pr ofesse the gospel should now looke for disputation wherof he geueth diuers reasōs First for that They haue had truthe now established soe many yeares But this séemeth a verie weake reason for the controuersy is whether it be truthe or noe and we vndertake to proue the negatiue parte And for his nomber of yeares they being but two and twentie they suffice not for a prescription by the common lawes of England and muche lesse to exclude vs whiche can proue our continuance for a thowsand peares without interruption An other reason is for that as he saythe They shal gayne noe great victorie in ouercōming two or three of the last and the least in the quarel But this is not soe for they shal gayne al the Catholiques in England to their side and vs that are abrode also if they can shew the truthe to be with them And albeit two or thrée doe speake for the reste in this demaund yet shal there be more so dispute euen as manie as they wil admit with safetie for their comming A third reason he geueth for that These Iesuites will make the trial with false weyghtes and measures which are abomination to the Lorde while after their custome they dispute with vnlearned and peeuish distinctiōs false argumentes and absurde interpretations But this shal appeare M. Charke in the trial and your victorie shalbe the more easie You haue vsed bothe lying argumentes and absurde interpretations in this little booke of yours as hathe bene shewed but what the Iesuites wil doe you cannot yet tell perhappes they are not of your spirite And in calling them vnlearned and peuishe you runne further then your felowes wil allowe for they haue proued confessed the contrary And these termes maye easily be retourned vppon your selfe not in wordes but in déedes by the wekest of thowsands of their schollers But in déed their distinctiōs offend you much which according to the saying of the Apostle you condemne and reuile because you vnderstand them not For you must knowe that distinguishinge in al sciences according to the Philosopher appertaineth to the learned and not to the peuishe but especially in deuinitie wher al heresies spring by confounding and huddling vp matters and al truthe is displayed by distinguishing of thinges into their proper natures As also in the cōtrouersies of our time when we haue distinguished and put the cléere difference betwixt the things that you confound as betwene Idols Images bloody and vnbloody sacrifices Iustice by faythe and merite of good works mediation of Christ and intercession of Saintes faith and hope tradition of men and of the Apostles and manye other the lyke when I say we haue distinguished these thinges into their proper natures and shewed eche parte consonant to the worde of God then you haue no more to saye for that your ignorance is bewrayed and the truth made to euerye mans eyes manifest Fourthly you saye M. Charke that disputation is not necessarie for that we haue had and may haue the libertie of our pen. The which is as true as the rest of your assertions before No no the worlde knoweth what search you make after euerye pamphlet that commeth from vs and how you persecute them that bring in or receaue the same within the realme And is this geuinge vs libertie of our penne Doe you M. Charke and your felow ministers for the credit of your cause and for the auoiding the danger of this disputation procure vs but the libertye of one of your printes and we wil aske no further tryal Lastlye you forstraule your opinion of the proofes to be admitted in disputation if the matter agaynst your wil should come so farre fourth That is that onely scripture were to be admitted in such disputation and with one breath you reiecte by name all Councels Fathers Stories naturall and morall Philosophie And of Councels and stories you saye They are witnesses of contrarietie one to an other Of Fathers Some of