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mat._n 11._o 6._o but_o if_o you_o which_o have_v stand_v for_o the_o truth_n shall_v now_o by_o publish_v of_o error_n cause_n the_o truth_n to_o be_v the_o more_o blaspheme_v &_o give_v offence_n to_o weak_a professor_n that_o be_v your_o sin_n and_o will_v be_v too_o heavy_a to_o be_v answer_v at_o the_o judgement_n day_n if_o you_o repent_v not_o and_o as_o for_o our_o church_n which_o you_o blasphemous_o call_v antichristian_a know_v you_o that_o i_o do_v not_o fear_v the_o fall_n of_o it_o for_o it_o be_v build_v upon_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o apostle_n &_o prophet_n jesus_n christ_n himself_o be_v the_o chief_a corner_n stone_n ephe._n 2_o 20._o which_o have_v a_o sure_a promise_n that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o it_o mat._n 16._o 18._o and_o therefore_o your_o anathema_n can_v hurt_v we_o but_o shall_v rebound_v back_o again_o whence_o it_o come_v 4._o you_o say_v though_o i_o have_v profess_v to_o forsake_v my_o error_n upon_o their_o 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