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A43256 The touch-stone of the reformed gospel wherein the principal heads and tenents of the Protestant doctrine (objected against Catholicks) are briefly refuted. By the express texts of the Protestants own Bible, set forth and approved by the Church of England. With the ancient fathers judgements thereon, in confirmation of the Catholick doctrine. Heigham, John, fl. 1639.; Kellison, Matthew, attributed name. 1676 (1676) Wing H1370E; ESTC R216621 50,365 158

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s._n ambr._n in_o 4._o ad_fw-la heb._n say_v faith_n alone_o suffice_v not_o s._n aug._n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la &_o operibus_fw-la cap._n 51._o say_v i_o see_v not_o why_o christ_n shall_v say_v if_o thou_o will_v have_v life_n everlasting_a keep_v the_o commandment_n if_o without_o observe_v of_o they_o by_o only_a faith_n one_o may_v be_v save_v xxii_o that_o no_o good_a work_n be_v meritorious_a contrary_n to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n mat._n 16.17_o for_o the_o son_n of_o man_n shall_v come_v in_o the_o glory_n of_o his_o father_n with_o his_o angel_n and_o then_o he_o shall_v reward_v every_o man_n according_a to_o his_o work_n he_o say_v not_o that_o he_o shall_v reward_v every_o man_n according_a to_o his_o mercy_n or_o their_o faith_n so_o s._n august_n de_fw-fr verbis_fw-la apost_n serm_n 35._o do_v interpret_v mat._n 5.12_o rejoice_v and_o be_v glad_a for_o great_a be_v your_o reward_n in_o heaven_n the_o word_n reward_n in_o latin_a and_o greek_a 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the_o father_n affirm_v the_o same_o frequent_o and_o among_o the_o rest_n s_o august_n de_fw-fr gratia_fw-la &_o lib._n de_fw-fr correp_n &_o gratia_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la articulo_fw-la falso_fw-la impositos_fw-la council_n trid._n less_o 6._o cap._n 9.12.13_o and_o other_o they_o maintain_v xxiv_o that_o god_n by_o his_o will_n and_o inevitable_a decree_n have_v ordain_v from_o all_o eternity_n who_o shall_v be_v damn_v and_o who_o save_v contrary_n to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n 1_o tim._n 2.3_o 4._o god_n our_o saviour_n who_o will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v and_o to_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o truth_n mean_v by_o his_o conditional_a will_n that_o be_v to_o say_v if_o man_n will_v themselves_o by_o accept_v do_v or_o have_v do_v all_o thing_n requisite_a by_o god_n law_n for_o god_n use_v not_o his_o absolute_a will_n or_o power_n towards_o we_o in_o this_o case_n therefore_o he_o have_v not_o will_v and_o inevitable_o decree_v any_o 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3.9_o act._n 8.20_o jer._n 17.9_o 2_o joan._n 1.8_o ¶_o see_v the_o father_n that_o affirm_v the_o same_o in_o particular_a s._n aug._n l._n 1._o civet_n tertul._n orat_fw-la c._n 8._o s._n cypr._n lib._n 4._o epist_n 2._o and_o s._n amb._n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr cain_n and_o abel_n will_v not_o that_o we_o refer_v unto_o god_n the_o prevarication_n of_o adam_n or_o the_o treason_n of_o judas_n though_o he_o know_v the_o sin_n before_o it_o be_v commit_v further_o they_o hold_v xxv_o they_o every_o one_o ought_v infallible_o to_o assure_v himself_o of_o his_o salvation_n and_o to_o believe_v that_o he_o be_v of_o the_o number_n of_o the_o predestinate_a contrary_n to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n 1_o cor._n 9.27_o i_o keep_v under_o my_o body_n and_o bring_v it_o into_o subjection_n lest_o that_o by_o any_o mean_n when_o i_o have_v preach_v to_o other_o i_o myself_o shall_v be_v a_o cast_v away_o a_o man_n will_v think_v that_o s._n paul_n may_v be_v as_o sure_a 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mat._n 5.14.15_o you_o be_v the_o light_n of_o the_o world_n a_o city_n that_o be_v set_v on_o a_o hill_n can_v be_v hide_v neither_o do_v man_n light_v a_o candle_n and_o put_v it_o under_o a_o bushel_n but_o on_o a_o candlestick_n and_o it_o give_v light_a to_o all_o that_o be_v in_o the_o house_n but_o the_o catholic_n church_n be_v such_o a_o light_n such_o a_o candle_n and_o such_o a_o city_n build_v upon_o christ_n as_o upon_o 〈◊〉_d mountain_n therefore_o have_v not_o nor_o ca●_n be_v hide_v nor_o be_v invisible_a mat._n 18.17_o tell_v the_o church_n if_o 〈◊〉_d neglect_v to_o hear_v thou_o but_o if_o he_o neglect_v to_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v unto_o th●_n as_o a_o heathen_a man_n and_o a_o publican_n bu●_n it_o be_v a_o very_a hard_a case_n
appear_v unto_o many_o etc._n etc._n 2_o maccab._n 15.12_o onias_n the_o highpriest_n after_o he_o be_v dead_a appear_v to_o indas_n macchabaeus_n alive_a the_o like_a do_v samuel_n unto_o saul_n what_o shall_v we_o say_v then_o to_o those_o that_o will_v deny_v a_o truth_n so_o clear_a for_o some_o such_o myself_o have_v meet_v withal_o see_v more_o luke_o 16.27_o 28._o joan._n 11.44_o luke_n 7.15_o and_o 22._o matth._n 9.25_o mark_v 5.42_o ¶_o see_v s._n bede_n l._n 5._o cap._n 13._o hist_o of_o england_n and_o s._n gregory_n in_o his_o book_n of_o moral_n in_o sunory_n place_n xxxi_o that_o the_o saint_n decease_v know_v not_o what_o pass_v here_o on_o earth_n contrary_n to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n luke_n 16.29_o where_o abraham_n know_v that_o there_o be_v moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n book_n here_o on_o earth_n which_o he_o himself_o have_v never_o see_v when_o he_o be_v alive_a as_o s._n aug._n witness_v lib._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la 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from_o hell_n to_o heaven_n as_o protestant_n confess_v how_o then_o say_v they_o that_o the_o saint_n can_v know_v or_o see_v from_o heaven_n to_o earth_n and_o without_o some_o reciprocal_a knowledge_n there_o can_v be_v no_o communion_n at_o all_o between_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n and_o the_o saithful_a on_o earth_n the_o which_o be_v a_o article_n of_o our_o creed_n which_o notwithstanding_o the_o continual_a passage_n of_o soul_n thither_o do_v convince_v see_v more_o matth._n 19.38_o revel_v 2.26_o luke_n 22.30_o act_n 5.3_o 1_o king_n 28.14_o eccles_n 4.6.23_o ¶_o see_v eusebius_n serm_n de_fw-fr annunt_fw-la s._n hier._n in_o epitaph_n paul_n s._n maximus_n sorm_n de_fw-fr s._n agnete_n xxxii_o that_o the_o saint_n pray_v not_o for_o we_o contrary_n to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n revel_v 5.8_o the_o four_o and_o twenty_o elder_n fall_v down_o before_o the_o lamb_n have_v every_o one_o of_o they_o harp_n and_o golden_a vial_n full_a of_o odour_n which_o be_v the_o prayer_n of_o saint_n lo_o how_o among_o so_o many_o divine_a and_o unsearchable_a mystery_n set_v down_o in_o holy_a writ_n without_o exposition_n it_o please_v god_n that_o the_o apostle_n himself_o shall_v clear_o open_v this_o point_n unto_o we_o say_v which_o odour_n be_v the_o prayer_n of_o saint_n that_o so_o our_o adversary_n may_v have_v no_o excuse_n of_o their_o error_n therefore_o the_o saint_n pray_v for_o we_o 2_o machab._n 15.14_o then_o onias_n answer_v say_v this_o be_v a_o lover_n of_o the_o brethren_n who_o pray_v much_o for_o the_o people_n and_o for_o the_o holy_a city_n too_o wir_fw-ge jeremiah_n the_o prophet_n of_o god_n ancient_a origen_n hom_n 18._o in_o joan._n say_v it_o appear_v that_o saint_n depart_v from_o this_o life_n have_v care_n of_o the_o people_n as_o it_o be_v write_v in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o macchabee_n many_o year_n after_o the_o death_n of_o jeremy_n jeremiah_n 15.1_o though_o moses_n and_o samuel_n stand_v before_o i_o yet_o my_o mind_n can_v not_o be_v towards_o this_o people_n hence_o s._n hierom._n in_o his_o commentary_n and_o s._n greg._n lib._n 9_o of_o his_o moral_n cap._n 12._o do_v gather_v that_o moses_n and_o samuel_n after_o their_o death_n both_o can_v and_o do_v sometime_o pray_v for_o the_o same_o people_n for_o otherwise_o it_o shall_v be_v absurd_a to_o say_v though_o moses_n and_o samuel_n stand_v before_o i_o etc._n etc._n baruch_n 3_o 4._o o_o lord_n almighty_a thou_o god_n of_o israel_n hear_v now_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o dead_a israelite_n we_o read_v of_o the_o dead_a of_o israel_n and_o theodoret_n paraphrase_v upon_o the_o prophet_n baruch_n interprete_v this_o place_n as_o catholic_n do_v therefore_o the_o dead_a of_o israel_n pray_v for_o the_o live_n revel_v 2.26.27_o and_o he_o that_o overcome_v and_o keep_v my_o work_n unto_o the_o end_n to_o he_o will_v i_o give_v power_n over_o the_o nation_n and_o he_o shall_v rule_v they_o with_o a_o rod_n of_o iron_n since_o 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prayer_n in_o favour_n of_o the_o saint_n or_o their_o merit_n nor_o do_v we_o receive_v any_o benefit_n thereby_o two_o way_n there_o be_v of_o pray_v by_o the_o mediation_n of_o the_o bless_a saint_n the_o one_o by_o beseech_v god_n to_o grant_v our_o desire_n in_o favour_n of_o they_o and_o their_o merit_n the_o other_o by_o express_o pray_v they_o to_o intercede_v and_o pray_v to_o god_n for_o we_o both_o be_v impugn_a by_o our_o reformer_n we_o will_v prove_v they_o out_o of_o their_o own_o bible_n the_o proof_n of_o the_o first_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o text_n exod._n 22.13_o remember_v abraham_n isaac_n and_o israel_n thy_o servant_n to_o who_o thou_o swear_v by_o thy_o own_o self_n and_o say_v unto_o they_o i_o will_v multiply_v your_o seed_n as_o the_o star_n of_o heaven_n etc._n etc._n and_o our_o lord_n repent_v we_o read_v be_v pacify_v of_o the_o evil_n which_o he_o think_v to_o do_v unto_o his_o people_n see_v how_o plain_o moses_n pray_v to_o god_n by_o the_o mediation_n of_o the_o holy_a patriarch_n a_o form_n of_o prayer_n so_o please_v to_o he_o as_o have_v say_v a_o little_a before_o that_o for_o their_o sin_n of_o idolatry_n he_o will_v consume_v they_o the_o memory_n of_o his_o holy_a servant_n be_v but_o lay_v before_o he_o he_o present_o pardon_v they_o therefore_o we_o may_v beseech_v god_n to_o grant_v we_o our_o prayer_n in_o favour_n of_o they_o theod._n quaest_n 67._o in_o exod._n write_v that_o moses_n not_o think_v himself_o sufficient_a to_o appease_v god_n by_o himself_o add_v the_o intercession_n of_o the_o holy_a patriarch_n and_o the_o like_a do_v s._n aug._n quaest_n 149._o in_o exod._n 2_o chron._n 6.16_o now_o therefore_o o_o lord_n god_n of_o israel_n keep_v
yea_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n both_o ridiculous_a and_o impious_a to_o make_v they_o trayclear_v carrier_n of_o drug_n or_o paracelsian_n mark_v 16.18_o they_o shall_v lay_v hand_n on_o the_o sick_a and_o they_o shall_v recover_v but_o first_o our_o reformer_n be_v no_o true_a priest_n second_o they_o lay_v not_o their_o hand_n upon_o the_o sick_a three_o they_o anoint_v they_o not_o with_o oil_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n as_o s._n james_n will_v let_v they_o say_v the_o truth_n then_o and_o shame_v the_o devil_n be_v not_o they_o sick_a in_o their_o wit_n who_o will_v oppose_v so_o plain_a scripture_n ¶_o see_v the_o father_n that_o affirm_v the_o same_o origen_n hom_n 2._o in_o levit._n s._n chrysost_o lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr sacerd_v s._n aug._n in_o speculo_fw-la &_o serm_n 215._o the_o temp_n venerable_a bede_n in_o 6._o mark_n &_o 5._o jac._n with_o many_o other_o xliii_o that_o no_o interior_a grace_n be_v give_v by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n in_o holy_a order_n and_o that_o ordinary_a vocation_n and_o mission_n of_o pastor_n be_v not_o necessary_a in_o the_o church_n contrary_n to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n 1_o tim._n 4.14_o neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n we_o read_v grace_n that_o be_v in_o thou_o which_o be_v give_v thou_o by_o pprophecy_n with_o the_o lay_n on_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n see_v how_o plain_a it_o be_v that_o holy_a order_n do_v give_v place_n d._n kellison_n handle_v this_o question_n touch_v the_o mission_n of_o the_o reformer_n prove_v learned_o in_o his_o reply_n page_n 7._o &_o 44._o that_o this_o foundation_n be_v disprove_v the_o whole_a frame_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n fall_v yea_o that_o they_o have_v neither_o true_a faith_n nor_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o his_o reason_n be_v this_o if_o faith_n depend_v of_o hear_v hear_v of_o preach_v preach_a and_o administration_n of_o sacrament_n of_o minister_n and_o preacher_n and_o preacher_n and_o minister_n of_o their_o mission_n 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rabble_n apostate_n god_n adulterer_n incestuous_a sacrilegious_a and_o the_o like_a see_v more_o psal_n 66.16_o numb_a 6.2.18_o josue_n 21.26_o jerem._n 35.18_o eccl._n 5.3_o act_n 21.23_o ¶_o see_v also_o the_o father_n in_o confirmation_n thereof_o s._n aug._n lib._n de_fw-fr bono_fw-mi viduit_fw-la c._n 9_o athanasius_n lib._n de_fw-la virginitat_fw-la s._n epiphanius_n haeres_fw-la 48._o s._n hier._n cont_n jou._n l._n 1._o c._n 7._o what_o be_v to_o break_v their_o first_o faith_n say_v s._n aug_n they_o vow_v and_o perform_v not_o in_o psa_n 75._o the_o place_n begin_v quid_fw-la est_fw-la primam_fw-la fidem_fw-la etc._n etc._n xlv_o that_o fast_v and_o abstinence_n from_o certain_a meat_n be_v not_o ground_v on_o holy_a scripture_n nor_o cause_v any_o spiritual_a good_a contrary_n to_o the_o express_a word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n jerem._n 35.5_o and_o i_o set_v before_o the_o son_n of_o the_o house_n of_o the_o rechabite_v pot_n full_a of_o wine_n and_o wine-cup_n and_o 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to_o pass_v that_o every_o one_o that_o be_v bite_v when_o he_o look_v upon_o it_o shall_v live_v hence_o be_v evident_o prove_v divers_a thing_n against_o our_o reformer_n 1._o that_o god_n command_v the_o make_n of_o this_o image_n 2._o the_o set_n of_o it_o up_o for_o a_o sign_n 3._o he_o promise_v that_o the_o looker_n thereon_o shall_v assure_o receive_v succour_n and_o help_v 4._o he_o warrant_v the_o make_n the_o set_n up_o the_o behold_v and_o the_o reverence_v thereof_o to_o be_v exempt_v from_o breach_n of_o the_o first_o commandment_n by_o work_v so_o many_o and_o so_o manifest_a miracle_n at_o and_o before_o the_o presence_n thereof_o therefore_o a_o image_n may_v be_v make_v may_v be_v set_v up_o may_v be_v look_v on_o and_o reverence_v as_o doctor_n saunders_n most_o learned_o conclude_v in_o his_o treatise_n of_o image_n ¶_o see_v father_n that_o affirm_v the_o same_o s._n amb._n serm_n 1._o in_o psal_n ●_o 18._o s._n aug._n lib._n 3._o de_fw-la trinit_fw-la s._n greg._n lib._n 7._o epist_n 5_o ad_fw-la joan._n final_o s._n basil_n say_v in_o julian_n citat_fw-la in_o 7._o synod_n i_o honour_v the_o history_n of_o image_n and_o do_v public_o worship_v they_o for_o this_o be_v deliver_v we_o from_o the_o holy_a apostle_n be_v not_o to_o be_v forbid_v s._n chrysostom_n in_o his_o mass_n turn_v into_o latin_a by_o erasmus_n say_v the_o priest_n bow_v his_o head_n to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n s._n damascen_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 17._o say_v the_o worship_v of_o the_o cross_n and_o of_o image_n be_v a_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n but_o before_o i_o conclude_v this_o point_n i_o desire_v to_o solve_v a_o few_o objection_n which_o usual_o our_o reformer_n bring_v against_o the_o honour_n of_o holy_a image_n the_o 1._o objection_n be_v take_v out_o of_o 2_o king_n we_o 4._o 18._o where_o king_n ezechias_n break_v down_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n whereof_o we_o last_o make_v mention_n see_v it_o to_o be_v the_o cause_n of_o idolatry_n answer_n this_o 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