these_o ego_fw-la berengarius_fw-la cord_n credo_fw-la panem_fw-la etc._n etc._n substantialiter_fw-la converti_fw-la in_o veram_fw-la &_o propriam_fw-la &_o vivificatricem_fw-la carnem_fw-la domini_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o the_o former_a roman_a council_n a_o 1060._o though_o the_o word_n of_o the_o recantation_n be_v ego_fw-la berengarius_fw-la anathematizo_fw-la eam_fw-la haeresin_fw-la quae_fw-la astruere_fw-la conatur_fw-la panem_fw-la post_fw-la consecrationem_fw-la solummodo_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la &_o non_fw-la verum_fw-la corpus_fw-la domini_fw-la nostri_fw-la jesus_n christi_fw-la esse_fw-la yet_o that_o the_o council_n mean_v the_o bread_n to_o be_v christ_n body_n not_o whilst_o be_v but_o by_o cease_v to_o be_v bread_n methinks_v be_v sufficient_o vindicate_v by_o what_o lanfranck_n one_o of_o it_o and_o guitmund_n and_o anselm_n contemporary_n say_v of_o this_o council_n as_o i_o find_v they_o quote_v by_o bellarm._n de_fw-fr euch._n l._n 3._o c._n 21._o lanfran_n 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the_o effect_n and_o benefit_n of_o christ_n body_n but_o we_o hold_v it_o real_o present_a in_o as_o much_o as_o it_o be_v real_o receive_v and_o we_o put_v in_o actual_a possession_n of_o it_o well_o then_o the_o body_n of_o our_o lord_n be_v real_o present_a and_o receive_v answ_n no._n whatever_o we_o say_v we_o mean_v only_o a_o virtual_a presence_n which_o be_v indeed_o only_a a_o figurative_a presence_n and_o be_v own_v by_o the_o zwinglians_n and_o figurativist_n and_o which_o the_o reply_o seek_v to_o avoid_v real_o condemn_v as_o the_o church_n have_v do_v in_o those_o two_o or_o three_o who_o in_o the_o course_n of_o so_o many_o century_n set_v abroach_o such_o or_o the_o like_a opinion_n let_v the_o reply_o also_o take_v notice_n that_o zuinglius_fw-la do_v not_o deny_v eat_v by_o faith_n or_o in_o a_o mysterious_a and_o ineffable_a manner_n by_o which_o mist_n of_o word_n the_o reply_o in_o vain_a think_v to_o pass_v for_o orthodox_n pag._n 20._o stumble_v no_o it_o be_v 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from_o his_o doctrine_n opposite_a and_o contradictory_n to_o persuade_v the_o reader_n that_o our_o author_n allow_v contradiction_n to_o he_o true_a he_o leave_v out_o the_o word_n seem_o as_o also_o also_o 21._o which_o seem_v to_o we_o to_o include_v a_o contradiction_n take_v notice_n therefore_o that_o no_o catholic_n affirm_v that_o god_n can_v make_v two_o contradictory_n to_o be_v true_a and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o contradiction_n in_o their_o doctrine_n of_o the_o eucharist_n but_o they_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v plain_o reveal_v by_o our_o saviour_n own_o word_n and_o st._n paul_n v._o forego_v discourse_n p._n 18_o pag._n 21._o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o trinity_n do_v as_o much_o violence_n to_o philosophy_n as_o transubstantiation_n but_o transubstantiation_n be_v a_o contradiction_n pag._n 25._o bishop_n andrews_n famous_a say_n which_o the_o