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A06517 The confutation of Tortura Torti: or, Against the King of Englands chaplaine: for that he hath negligently defended his Kinges cause. By the R.F. Martinus Becanus, of the Society of Iesus: and professour in deuinity. Translated out of Latin into English by W.I. P.; Refutatio Torturae Torti. English Becanus, Martinus, 1563-1624.; Wilson, John, ca. 1575-ca. 1645? 1610 (1610) STC 1699; ESTC S122416 35,918 75

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your cerimonies or the publike vse therof who when he was first Crowned in Scotland and after in England did most solemnely sweare to God in both places to mantaine in his Dominions that forme of Religion and no other which was then receaued publikely in his Kingdomes and established by the lawes of both Realmes c 42. Truly I perceaue you threaten your King that he shall be accompted periured if he permit the Catholicke Religion in his Kingdome or forsake his owne imbrace another What do you not thinke it lawfull for him to change his Religion if he haue sworne he will not do it So it seemes belike But how if the Religion be false which he hath sworne to mantaine What shall he then do Shall he persist rather in his false Religion then breake his oath Take heed what you say An oath say the Lawiers is no band of iniquity and I may adde nor of falsity And therfore notwithstanding an oath neuer so often made a man may change his Religion if it be false he may annull his pact or couenant if it be vniust This is most certaine What would you do if your King should say that the Religiō is false which he now professeth Would you vrge him vpon his oath That in an euill act is annulled What Would you persuade him to forsake his false Religion imbrace the true I thinke you would Why do you then dissemble Why do you so much vrge the King vpon his oath as though vpon no occasion or euent soeuer it were lawfull to chang a Religion that is once confirmed by an oath although it be impious and false Go too gather your wittes togeather a little better and then speake 43. One thing I would yet demaund of you and that is this Your King in his booke of Premonition doth exhort Catholicke Kings and Princes that they should forsake the faith and Religion which hitherto they haue professed vnder the Pope and imbrace the English Religion which the King professeth Now it is well knowne that most of these Princes in their Coronation do sweare that they will neuer do it to wit change their Religion Heere I demaund I say whether your King hath lawfully and prudently exhorted them to do it or no If he hath done it lawfully and prudently why do you accuse the Catholickes who do but the like in a better cause If he did it vnlawfully and imprudently why did you not admonish him to surcease from such an Exhortation seeing yow are his Chaplaine and perhaps in this matter his Secretary Thus you stumble at euery blocke The thirtenth Paradoxe 44. YOv say that Cardinall Bellarmine is a Vow-breaker because of a Iesuite he is become a Cardinall For thus you write pag. 56. At votum non video cur à Mattheaeo Torto nominari debuit nisi si interposita voti mentione Domino suo Bellarmino gratificari voluit quo olim Iesuita factus voti se reum fecit hoc votum iam fregit postquam ostrum induit But I do not see how it can be called a vow by Matthew Tortus vnlesse in mentioning of the same he would needes gratify his Maister Bellarmine who being somtime a vowed Iesuite hath now broken that vow by putting on purple c. 45. It seemes you vnderstand aswell what it is to be a Vow-breaker as a periured person And euen as a little before you did pronounce your King to be forsworne if he should admit Catholicke Religion in his Kingdome So now you pronounce Cardinall Bellarmine to be a Vow-breaker because against his will he admitted the Dignity of a Cardinal Truly you are very ready to vpbraid and taunt And why I pray you doe you not call Luther a Vow-breaker who of a Monke became a married man if he may be called a married man and not rather a sacrilegious fornicator and adulterer Why not also a periured person that reiecting the ancient faith which he had receyued from Christ the Apostles and his Ancestours most holy and learned men and sealed with an oath did imbrace a new Religion repugnant to Christ and the truth 46. That you may therefore vnderstand the matter heare then what followeth It is one thing to vow or promise to God any thing absolutely and simply and another thing to doe it with a certayne limitation He that voweth after the first manner is bound to performe that which he promiseth he that voweth after the second māner may be quit of his band when the limitation therof doth suffer the same Exāples herof we haue in the old Testamēt For the Daughters Wiues did vse to vow with this limitation to wit if their Parents and Husbāds did consent therto Numb 30. The Nazaraeans in like manner vowed with this limitation to wit they bound themselues for a certaine time only not for their whole life Numb 6. So likewise doe we in our SOCIETY He that bindeth himself by a simple vow is not thought to be otherwise obliged thē at the arbitrement of his Superiours So as if he should be by them for a iust cause dismissed out of the SOCIETY the band or obligation ceaseth But he that bindeth himselfe by a solemne vow dependeth on the arbitrement of the Pope who may take him from the SOCIETY and place him in any other Degree or Dignity And what new thing is this now I pray you The like is dayly exercised amongst you You promise your King Allegiance and Obedience but with this double limitatiō First as long as you remaine in England Secondly as long as the King doth not chang his Religion For if it be otherwise you thinke you are not bound thereunto The fourteenth Paradoxe 47. YOV say the Catholickes teach fidelity not to be kept and falshood to be lawfull For thus you write pag. 156. of your booke Vos qui fidem non seruandam id est perfidiam licitam legitimamque docetis etiámne vos quicquam de perfidia audetis hiscere in turpitudinem vestram etiam vel nomen nominare You that teach fidelity not to be kept that is to say falshood to lawfull dare you I say as much as once open your lippes against falshood or perfidiousnes or to name the thing to your owne shame 48. But stay my friend who be they with vs that teach this doctrine If your set purpose be nothing els but to deale falsely and to calūniate it is no great meruaile if you write thus For be it spoken with your good leaue this is a loudlye and a manifest calumniation But if you be desirous of truth as it becommed you to haue byn why did you not examine the matter first before you wrote it downe No doubt but you should haue found another kind of doctrine amongst Catholicks And if you yet please you may see what I haue formerly written of this argument in my Disputation Of keeping faith or promise to Heretickes and in my Sundry mixt Questions of the same matter