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liberty_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n etc._n etc._n 5._o they_o hold_v that_o if_o in_o this_o choice_n any_o particular_a church_n shall_v err_v that_o none_o upon_o earth_n but_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o control_n or_o correct_v they_o for_o it_o etc._n etc._n 6._o they_o hold_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n and_o minister_n of_o one_o church_n ought_v not_o to_o bear_v any_o ecclesiastical_a office_n in_o another_o but_o aught_o to_o be_v tie_v unto_o that_o congregation_n of_o which_o they_o be_v member_n and_o by_o which_o they_o be_v elect_v into_o office_n etc._n etc._n there_o be_v nothing_o here_o say_v but_o many_o other_o of_o our_o learned_a countryman_n have_v say_v the_o like_a as_o d._n ames_n 29._o ames_n casconsc_n l._n 4._o c._n 29._o mr._n banes_n 4._o banes_n dioces_fw-la trial_o conclus_fw-la 4._o mr._n bates_n 66._o bates_n pag._n 66._o mr._n fenner_n 15.16_o fenner_n against_o bridg_n pag._n 15.16_o mr._n udall_n 24.25_o udall_n demonst._n discipl_n pag._n 24.25_o etc._n etc._n in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n in_o queen_n mary_n day_n it_o be_v agree_v upon_o that_o 115._o that_o discourse_v of_o troub_v frank._n pag._n 115._o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n several_o and_o joint_o shall_v have_v no_o authority_n to_o make_v any_o manner_n of_o decree_n or_o ordinance_n to_o bind_v the_o congregation_n or_o any_o member_n thereof_o but_o shall_v execute_v such_o ordinance_n as_o shall_v be_v make_v by_o the_o congregation_n and_o to_o they_o deliver_v again_o none_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_v until_o the_o matter_n be_v first_o hear_a by_o the_o whole_a church_n that_o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n and_o every_o of_o they_o be_v subject_a to_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n as_o other_o private_a member_n of_o the_o church_n be_v neither_o shall_v mr._n hooker_n 11._o hooker_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o mr._n pagets_n 20._o quest_n answ_n 11._o testimony_n be_v unremembered_a who_o affirm_v that_o a_o particular_a congregation_n may_v lawful_o and_o without_o sin_n call_v a_o minister_n without_o or_o against_o the_o approbation_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la and_o he_o give_v this_o reason_n for_o it_o they_o which_o have_v complete_a and_o perfect_a minister_n before_o any_o classis_fw-la have_v power_n full_o to_o call_v they_o but_o a_o particular_a congregation_n have_v perfect_a and_o complete_a minister_n perfect_o and_o complete_o call_v before_o any_o classis_fw-la ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n thus_o reader_n thou_o may_v perceive_v that_o mr._n paget_n have_v leave_v the_o way_n of_o non-conformitie_n yea_o and_o show_v himself_o to_o it_o a_o great_a adversary_n indeed_o so_o sore_o a_o one_o that_o in_o his_o own_o word_n i_o may_v true_o say_v as_o herod_n to_o kill_v one_o infant_n 73._o pag._n 73._o spare_v not_o to_o kill_v a_o multitude_n of_o other_o infant_n so_o he_o that_o he_o may_v undermine_v we_o and_o blow_v we_o up_o into_o the_o air_n he_o care_v not_o