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A49520 Some dialogues between Mr. G. and others with reflections upon a book called Pax vobis. Lynford, Thomas, 1650-1724.; Griffith, Evan, A.M., Minister of Alderly. Pax vobis. 1687 (1687) Wing L3570; ESTC R218147 15,451 61

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to the other and yet all pretend to truth and to be true Members of the Reformation E. F. I tell thee once again That a man is said to be a true Member of the Reformation by being supposed to have left the Communion of the Church of Rome but yet that every one who has left that Communion may not in all respects maintain what is Truth although he may pretend to it And therefore a man that has left that Communion is still obliged to make a strict inquiry whether it be lawful for him to embrace the terms of that other Communion into which he has admitted himself and after he has done so not to desert it without good reason Mr. G. Does not every Member of the Reformation pretend to have reason on his side Esq F. But the great question is whether he has reason or no. Sir I cannot stay with you at present any longer but before I go I will leave with you one familiar instance which seems to me to be a sufficient confutation of that whole Book which we have discoursed of Mr. G. I long to hear it Esq F. Suppose the Emperor of the Turks should turn Christian Mr. G. I wish he would Esq F. You mean Roman Catholick Mr. G. Unless he turns Roman Catholick he might as well never turn Christian Esq F. We will let that alone at present You may well think that after his conversion he will be very desirous to have his people turn as well as himself and you must needs allow it to be very reasonable for the whole Empire to do it Mr. G. Nothing can be more reasonable Esq F. Now suppose one man turns because thoroughly convinced of the Excellency of the Christian Religion Another retains his wonted kindness for his old Mahumetan way of Worship but yet for fear of losing by it turns too A third to gain somewhat by it which he knows not otherwise how to get turns Christian although his sentiments are the same with those of the second A fourth has some high flying hopes and although he does not turn at present yet he is ready to do it when ever it is required of him It is therefore lawful to turn Christian or to be ready to turn to save by it or to get by it or in hopes of getting for this reason or for that reason or for any other reason whatsoever Mr. G. You are pleasant Sir but I do not perceive the consequence of this Discourse Esq F. Think on it and you will find it to be as good a consequence as that which your Author so much insists upon But I can stay no longer Parson Farewell I should be glad to see you at my House Mr. G. I shall not forget to wait upon you Esq F. You must forgive me for calling you Parson still I protest I cannot forget my old Compellation Mr. G. Sir I am your Servant The Third Dialogue Esq F. SIR your humble Servant This is kindly done I find you Catholicks have more Charity than some would make you to have Mr. G. I am always true to my word Sir. Esq F. In lesser matters you mean. Mr. G. Nay in the greatest Esq F. We will not dispute that Point You are heartily welcome although I must frankly tell you Not so welcome as you were wont to be Pray will you sit down Mr. G. I fear I shall disturb you Sir. Esq F. Not in the least I was diverting my self with the famous Pamphlet which we talked of when we were last together and am glad you are come that we may have a little more chat about it M. G. I do not doubt but that you have read it over long before now Pray Sir what do you think of it Esq F. I have read it over twice or thrice and think of it as I told you when I was with you viz. That the Book is a pleasant Book but that there is little of Argument in it and that which it has does not at all prove the Conclusion Mr. G. The men of the Reformation I suppose do not much like the Conclusion Esq F. I know not what others like I for my part like every thing that is well proved Let me intreat you to take the Book and as you turn over the leaves to give me the Contents of every Dialogue and let us consider together with what strength he proves That according to the Principles of the Reformation a man may change his Religion as oft as he pleases and that it is an indifferent thing what opinions a man holds Mr. G. Does he not in his first Dialogue show you the facility of such a change p. 5. And give you instances of those who have made it p. 7. Does he not tell you how readily they of different perswasions join together in the same Worship p. 8 That the Synod of Charenton has allowed it p. 9 Does he not instance in the several Changes which have been made here in England p. 10 And in the Opinions of several Doctors who have allowed Hereticks to be members of the Church In his second Dialogue he makes mention of great differences amongst those of the Reformation concerning their Rule of Faith but that it is resolved at last into the judgment of every particular person He then quotes several gross opinions of Calvin and others which he declares to be the Doctrine of the Reformation and that they may be believed by any man whatsoever Esq F. Pray go on Sir. Mr. G. In his Third he shows That every Woman and Cobler according to the Doctrine of the Reformation may preach and instruct others and hold several Blasphemous Tenets which he there gives an account of In his Fourth he relates other wicked Tenets of the Reformation especially such as encourage looseness of manners In his fifth Such as have respect to Christs having establish'd a Church to the truth of what he and the Apostles taught to the disagreement about the Canon of Scripture to the changing of Scripture to the Doctrines of Justifying Faith of Works of Gods Grace of the keeping his Commandments all which wicked Tenets he makes it appear that several of the Reformers have held and therefore that they are the Doctrines of the Reformation and may lawfully be held by any Member thereof if he will adhere to his own Principles Esq F. We shall see that by and by Pray give me the sense of the two last Dialogues Mr. G. In the beginning of the sixth he inveighs against the Church of England for pretending to impose upon her Members her Interpretations of Scripture which is no more than what is done by the Papists and is directly contrary to the Doctrine of the Reformation In the latter end thereof and in the beginning of the seventh he shews that according to the Principles of the Reformation a man may believe all the Doctrines of the Popery that several of the Reformers have believed several of them and that the only