Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	apostle_n	doctrine_n	false_a	1,796	5	6.6776	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90523	A defence of church-government, exercised in presbyteriall, classicall, & synodall assemblies; according to the practise of the reformed churches: touching I. The power of a particular eldership, against those that plead for a meere popular government, specially Mr Ainsvvorth in his Animadversion to Mr Clyft. &c. II. The authority of classes and synods, against the patrons of independencie: answering in this poynt Mr Davenport his Apologeticall reply, &c. and Mr Canne his Churches plea, &c, sent forth first by W. Best, and afterwards for this part of it, under the title of Syons prerogative royall. By Iohn Paget, late able and faithfull pastour of the Reformed English Church in Amsterdam. Hereunto is prefixed an advertisement to the Parliament, wherein are inserted some animadversions on the Cheshire Remonstrance against Presbytery: by T.P.	Paget, John, d. 1640.; Paget, Thomas, d. 1660.	1641 (1641)	Wing P166; Thomason E117_1; ESTC R16734	348,418	298

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note_v by_o 15.6_o by_o expos_fw-la eccles_n in_o act._n 15.6_o marlorate_a that_o this_o custom_n be_v in_o old_a time_n diligent_o keep_v of_o the_o holy_a bishop_n in_o imitation_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o complain_v of_o the_o neglect_n thereof_o d._n rainolds_n when_o as_o the_o papist_n object_v unto_o he_o that_o there_o must_v be_v a_o chief_a judge_n to_o end_v controversy_n to_o keep_v the_o truth_n of_o faith_n &_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n that_o it_o be_v not_o pester_v with_o heresy_n and_o schism_n he_o answer_v thereunto_o 206._o thereunto_o conf._n with_o hart._n c._n 6._o div_o 2._o p._n 206._o that_o the_o wisdom_n of_o god_n have_v commit_v that_o chiefty_a of_o judgement_n so_o to_o call_v it_o not_o to_o the_o sovereign_a power_n of_o one_o but_o to_o the_o common_a care_n of_o many_o for_o when_o there_o be_v a_o controversy_n in_o the_o church_n of_o antioch_n about_o the_o observation_n of_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n some_o jew_n teach_v contrary_a to_o that_o which_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n teach_v they_o ordain_v that_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n and_o certain_a other_o of_o they_o shall_v go_v up_o to_o jerusalem_n to_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n about_o that_o question_n act._n 15.2_o and_o so_o by_o their_o common_a agreement_n &_o decree_n the_o controversy_n be_v end_v the_o truth_n of_o faith_n keep_v and_o peace_n maintain_v in_o the_o church_n after_o which_o example_n the_o etc._n the_o euseb_n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 14._o &_o 21._o &_o 22._o lib._n 7._o c._n 26._o &_o 28._o cypr._n epist_n 6._o &_o 14_o &_o 31._o &_o 53._o &_o 72._o &_o 75._o council_n ancyr_n gangr_n antioch_n laodic_n etc._n etc._n bishop_n that_o succeed_v they_o make_v the_o like_a assembly_n on_o the_o like_a occasion_n and_o by_o common_a conference_n take_v order_n for_o such_o matter_n both_o of_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n

do_v not_o follow_v from_o a_o particular_a that_o because_o the_o decree_n of_o a_o apostolical_a council_n be_v to_o be_v observe_v therefore_o the_o decree_n of_o all_o council_n must_v be_v so_o keep_v 16._o contr._n 3._o li._n 4._o cap._n 16._o and_o whereas_o bellarmine_n affirm_v that_o the_o question_n there_o be_v not_o define_v by_o scripture_n but_o by_o the_o voice_n of_o the_o apostle_n junius_n deny_v that_o any_o thing_n be_v ordain_v in_o that_o council_n but_o from_o the_o scripture_n as_o he_o have_v before_o demonstrate_v and_o thereunto_o refer_v the_o reader_n answ._n i._n it_o may_v be_v observe_v here_o how_o untrue_a it_o be_v which_o mr_n dau._n pretend_v in_o excuse_n of_o his_o large_a writing_n say_v reader_n say_v pref._n to_o the_o reader_n for_o the_o help_n of_o the_o reader_n in_o compare_v the_o reply_n with_o the_o answer_n i_o have_v insert_v his_o own_o word_n every_o where_n this_o have_v he_o not_o do_v here_o nor_o in_o many_o other_o place_n i_o show_v 88_o show_v answ_n to_o unj_fw-la compl_a p._n 88_o how_o this_o place_n act._n 15._o have_v be_v allege_v by_o another_o against_o the_o brownist_n and_o that_o this_o his_o allegation_n serve_v to_o condemn_v both_o himself_o and_o his_o fellow_n mr_n d._n have_v neither_o insert_v my_o own_o word_n nor_o yet_o the_o word_n of_o he_o that_o have_v allege_v this_o place_n ii_o in_o allege_v the_o two_o answer_n of_o junius_n unto_o bellarmine_n he_o wander_v wide_a from_o the_o question_n in_o hand_n i_o be_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o junius_n in_o both_o those_o answer_n though_o the_o decree_n of_o that_o apostolical_a synod_n be_v infallible_o true_a and_o just_a yet_o be_v it_o not_o so_o with_o other_o synod_n many_o whereof_o be_v to_o be_v reject_v for_o their_o erroneous_a and_o unjust_a decree_n all_o the_o decree_n in_o that_o synod_n act._n 15._o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o scripture_n and_o rest_v not_o mere_o upon_o the_o suffrage_n of_o man_n junius_n have_v just_a cause_n so_o to_o answer_v bellarmine_n that_o maintain_v a_o unlawful_a and_o absolute_a authority_n of_o synod_n and_o exact_v obedience_n of_o necessity_n to_o all_o their_o decree_n be_v not_o this_o to_o abuse_v both_o i_o and_o his_o reader_n and_o to_o blear_v their_o eye_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o right_o discern_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n iii_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v better_o conceive_v in_o what_o manner_n a_o authority_n and_o power_n be_v asscribe_v to_o class_n and_o synod_n let_v the_o authority_n of_o particular_a church_n be_v consider_v as_o a_o example_n and_o model_n of_o that_o authority_n which_o be_v in_o synod_n my_o opposite_n themselves_o confess_v that_o there_o be_v in_o particular_a congregation_n a_o authority_n and_o power_n to_o judge_v and_o censure_v offender_n and_o yet_o they_o will_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o they_o may_v err_v in_o their_o judgement_n that_o they_o want_v such_o infallible_a direction_n as_o the_o apostle_n have_v and_o that_o their_o decree_n and_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n be_v to_o be_v regard_v no_o further_o than_o they_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o scripture_n so_o be_v it_o with_o the_o authority_n of_o class_n &_o synod_n i._o dav_n 255._o dav_n apol._n reply_n p._n 255._o and_o whereas_o bellarmine_n say_v that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o leave_v to_o the_o examination_n of_o the_o disciple_n but_o that_o they_o be_v simple_o command_v to_o obey_v junius_n charge_v he_o with_o false_o suppose_v two_o thing_n 1._o that_o the_o apostle_n alone_o make_v this_o order_n for_o the_o elder_n concur_v with_o the_o apostle_n in_o this_o sentence_n and_o the_o whole_a church_n all_o of_o they_o be_v teach_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n to_o think_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o this_o he_o say_v be_v the_o manner_n of_o proceed_v in_o those_o council_n where_o christ_n be_v president_n 2._o that_o the_o same_o respect_n be_v to_o be_v have_v to_o the_o determination_n of_o other_o as_o of_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v a_o error_n he_o say_v for_o it_o be_v the_o singular_a privilege_n of_o the_o apostle_n that_o they_o have_v immediate_a assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o infallibility_n in_o their_o apostolical_a determination_n so_o that_o what_o they_o deliver_v be_v to_o be_v receive_v without_o examination_n whereas_o the_o dictate_v and_o sentence_n of_o all_o other_o be_v to_o be_v examine_v by_o their_o writing_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o scripture_n acknowledge_v no_o such_o power_n of_o make_v law_n to_o be_v due_a to_o the_o class_n unless_o they_o can_v produce_v some_o other_o text_n which_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v allege_v shall_v be_v further_o examine_v if_o god_n permit_v answ._n i._n all_o that_o mr_n davenp_n have_v here_o set_v down_o be_v whole_o impertinent_a and_o all_o be_v grant_v our_o assertion_n touch_v the_o lawful_a authority_n of_o synod_n &_o class_n remain_v firm_a we_o grant_v with_o junius_n 11._o junius_n animadv_n in_o bellarm_n contro_fw-la 4._o l._n 1._o c._n 18._o §_o 11._o that_o the_o apostle_n alone_o do_v not_o judge_v but_o the_o elder_a and_o other_o also_o concur_v with_o they_o not_o only_o in_o counsel_n but_o in_o give_v judicial_a sentence_n with_o they_o we_o grant_v that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a respect_n to_o be_v have_v to_o the_o determination_n of_o other_o as_o of_o the_o apostle_n we_o grant_v that_o no_o such_o power_n of_o make_v law_n be_v due_a to_o class_n that_o be_v no_o such_o power_n of_o infallible_a determination_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o we_o hold_v they_o have_v a_o lawful_a authority_n of_o judge_v and_o decide_v controversy_n etc._n etc._n the_o like_a we_o hold_v concern_v particular_a church_n with_o their_o eldership_n we_o grant_v they_o have_v no_o such_o power_n of_o infallible_a determination_n and_o yet_o a_o lawful_a power_n to_o determine_v and_o judge_v of_o cause_n we_o grant_v that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a respect_n to_o be_v have_v to_o the_o determination_n of_o particular_a church_n as_o of_o the_o apostle_n and_o yet_o a_o due_a respect_n not_o only_o for_o admonition_n and_o counsel_n but_o also_o for_o power_n to_o censure_n and_o to_o give_v sentence_n we_o grant_v that_o the_o censure_n sentence_n and_o judgement_n as_o well_o of_o eldership_n and_o church_n as_o of_o synod_n and_o class_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n to_o be_v try_v and_o examine_v by_o the_o scripture_n and_o yet_o this_o grant_n impeach_v not_o the_o lawful_a authority_n of_o either_o of_o they_o in_o exercise_v a_o power_n of_o judgement_n ii_o for_o the_o better_a direction_n how_o to_o discern_v &_o judge_v of_o the_o action_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o how_o far_o their_o example_n be_v a_o rule_n of_o practice_n and_o imitation_n to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n it_o shall_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o set_v down_o a_o profitable_a and_o useful_a distinction_n observe_v by_o junius_n 6._o junius_n ibid._n lib._n 2._o c._n 16._o n._n 6._o which_o be_v that_o the_o apostle_n have_v a_o twofold_a manner_n of_o power_n common_a and_o proper_a the_o common_a be_v that_o ordinary_a power_n which_o they_o have_v together_o with_o the_o elder_n as_o they_o be_v bishop_n the_o proper_a or_o peculiar_a be_v that_o extraordinary_a power_n which_o be_v for_o a_o while_n give_v unto_o the_o evangelicall_n church_n at_o the_o spring_a up_o thereof_o in_o respect_n of_o which_o the_o apostle_n be_v above_o the_o whole_a church_n according_a to_o that_o common_a power_n peter_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o fellow_n elder_n 1._o pet._n 5.1_o according_a to_o this_o peculiar_a power_n he_o destroy_v ananias_n and_o sapphira_n act._n 5._o by_o that_o common_a power_n paul_n say_v 1._o cor._n 5.4_o you_o and_o my_o spirit_n be_v gather_v together_o in_o the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n but_o by_o that_o peculiar_a power_n he_o say_v what_o will_v you_o shall_v i_o come_v unto_o you_o with_o a_o rod_n etc._n etc._n 1._o cor._n 4.20_o this_o he_o set_v down_o elsewhere_o more_o full_o and_o apply_v it_o to_o the_o power_n exercise_v act._n 15._o saying_n 1._o saying_n ibid._n l._n 1_o c._n 16._o n._n 1._o here_o the_o aposle_n be_v say_v to_o have_v use_v communication_n therefore_o this_o power_n be_v common_a to_o the_o church_n and_o not_o a_o peculiar_a action_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o this_o synod_n at_o jerusalem_n we_o do_v therefore_o thus_o determine_v distinct_o concern_v this_o thing_n all_o that_o be_v furnish_v with_o gift_n and_o call_v judge_v in_o this_o synod_n first_o the_o apostle_n and_o apostolic_a man_n then_o the_o elder_n that_o labour_v in_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n as_o well_o they_o of_o the_o place_n in_o jerusalem_n as_o those_o of_o antioch_n &_o if_o any_o moreover_o

and_o for_o the_o stop_n of_o the_o mouth_n of_o such_o deceiver_n as_o pretend_v they_o be_v send_v by_o the_o apostle_n vers_fw-la 24._o in_o a_o word_n that_o no_o suspicion_n may_v remain_v in_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o people_n as_o if_o paul_n in_o doctrine_n differ_v from_o the_o rest_n answ._n i._n mr_n can_v corrupt_v and_o falsify_v the_o word_n of_o mr_n cartwright_n by_o add_v unto_o they_o this_o word_n only_o though_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n go_v up_o to_o confer_v yet_o the_o word_n of_o mr_n cartw._n be_v not_o only_o they_o go_v up_o to_o confer_v as_o here_o they_o be_v allege_v again_o those_o word_n that_o follow_v which_o mr_n can_v set_v down_o in_o such_o a_o letter_n as_o if_o mr_n cartw._n have_v speak_v word_n for_o word_n in_o such_o manner_n viz._n for_o countenance_n of_o the_o truth_n in_o respect_n of_o man_n and_o for_o the_o stop_n of_o the_o mouth_n of_o such_o deceiver_n as_o pretend_v they_o be_v send_v by_o the_o apostle_n v._n 24._o these_o be_v the_o word_n of_o mr_n robinson_n 199._o robinson_n justif_n of_o sepat_o p._n 199._o verbatim_o &_o take_v out_o of_o his_o writing_n and_o therefore_o ought_v rather_o to_o have_v be_v allege_v in_o his_o name_n then_o in_o mr_n cartwright_n ii_o though_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n go_v up_o for_o such_o end_n as_o be_v here_o propound_v for_o countenance_v of_o the_o truth_n etc._n etc._n yet_o those_o end_n do_v not_o argue_v that_o therefore_o the_o synod_n at_o jerusalem_n do_v not_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a authority_n in_o give_v definitive_a sentence_n touch_v the_o controversy_n bring_v unto_o they_o see_v those_o end_n be_v more_o effectual_o and_o full_o obtain_v thereby_o for_o by_o such_o judicial_a sentence_n the_o truth_n be_v countenance_v before_o man_n and_o the_o mouth_n of_o deceyver_n more_o effectual_o stop_v and_o suspicion_n of_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o apostle_n more_o clear_o take_v away_o iii_o though_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n go_v not_o up_o to_o submit_v their_o judgement_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n yet_o this_o hinder_v not_o their_o go_v to_o procure_v that_o the_o judgement_n of_o those_o deceyver_n which_o have_v trouble_v the_o church_n of_o antioch_n and_o likewise_o that_o the_o judgement_n of_o such_o as_o have_v be_v make_v to_o doubt_v by_o they_o may_v be_v submit_v unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o that_o those_o deceyver_n may_v be_v censure_v by_o the_o synod_n if_o after_o conviction_n they_o shall_v persist_v in_o their_o evil_n iv_o that_o which_o mr_n cartw._n speak_v of_o p._n and_o barn_n not_o submit_v their_o judgement_n unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o if_o it_o will_v have_v diminish_v the_o authority_n of_o their_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n be_v to_o be_v understand_v as_o i_o conceive_v as_o speak_v by_o way_n of_o opposition_n to_o the_o rhemist_n and_o other_o papist_n against_o who_o he_o deal_v who_o say_v as_o well_o concern_v paul_n and_o barnabas_n as_o concern_v the_o other_o deceiver_n 15.2_o deceiver_n rhem._n on_o act._n 15.2_o that_o they_o do_v not_o stand_v stiff_o to_o their_o own_o opinion_n on_o either_o side_n but_o condescend_v to_o refer_v the_o whole_a controversy_n and_o the_o determination_n thereof_o to_o the_o apostle_n priest_n or_o ancient_n etc._n etc._n who_o hold_v from_o jerome_n that_o 133_o that_o rainol_n conf._n with_o hart._n c._n 4._o div_o 3._o p._n 133_o paul_n have_v not_o have_v security_n of_o preach_v the_o gospel_n unless_o it_o have_v be_v approve_v by_o the_o sentence_n of_o peter_n and_o of_o the_o rest_n that_o be_v with_o he_o such_o a_o submission_n may_v have_v diminish_v the_o authority_n of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o be_v acknowledge_v otherwise_o there_o be_v even_o in_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o a_o lawful_a submission_n unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n 1._o peter_n himself_o as_o junius_n well_o 5._o well_o animadv_n in_o bell._n de_fw-fr council_n l._n 2._o c._n 16._o §_o 5._o observe_v judicio_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la subjicitur_fw-la atque_fw-la ad_fw-la cam_fw-la remittitur_fw-la voce_fw-la christi_fw-la jubentis_fw-la dic_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la mat._n 18._o &_o alibi_fw-la that_o be_v he_o be_v subject_v unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n &_o send_v unto_o it_o by_o the_o voice_n of_o christ_n command_v tell_v the_o church_n mat._n 18._o &_o elsewhere_o d._n whitaker_n also_o 172._o also_o contro_fw-la de_fw-fr council_n qu._n 5._o c._n 3._o p._n 172._o affirm_v and_o confirm_v the_o same_o thing_n concern_v peter_n and_o why_o may_v it_o not_o be_v say_v of_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n as_o well_o as_o of_o he_o 2._o see_v paul_n and_o barnabas_n be_v certain_a that_o the_o apostle_n do_v agree_v with_o they_o in_o judgement_n and_o can_v not_o err_v in_o their_o sentence_n they_o know_v that_o the_o same_o shall_v not_o diminish_v the_o authority_n of_o their_o doctrine_n but_o rather_o magnify_v and_o illustrate_v the_o same_o i._o can._n iii_o if_o jerusalem_n lie_v northward_o 200_o mile_n from_o antioch_n as_o i_o read_v 96._o read_v itiner_n n._n test_n fol._n 96._o it_o do_v sure_o then_o he_o have_v small_a reason_n to_o bring_v this_o scripture_n as_o the_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o the_o classical_a assembly_n yea_o and_o to_o tell_v we_o 88_o we_o pag._n 88_o that_o it_o be_v a_o remarkable_a place_n of_o scripture_n to_o warrant_v the_o exercise_n of_o that_o power_n which_o we_o deny_v and_o a_o little_a after_o this_o one_o allegation_n be_v sufficient_a to_o evince_v the_o falsehood_n of_o their_o assertion_n answ._n i._n he_o mistake_v and_o so_o pervert_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o author_n who_o he_o allege_v direct_o contrary_a to_o his_o express_a word_n who_o 1635._o who_o itiner_n n.t._n p._n 66._o &_o 82._o edit_n 1624._o &_o p._n 82._o &_o 101._o edit_n 1635._o in_o divers_a place_n of_o this_o book_n as_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o 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