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A43272	The lambs innocency defended, against lyes and slanders In answer to a second reply of a priest, who is called a minister at Lazonby in Cumberland called Simon Atkinson, who hath shewed his wolfish nature against those people called Quakers; ranking them up with the papists; falsly accusing them of those things which they utterly detest; but his weapons is turned against himselfe by one of the campe of the God of Israel, whose eye is opened in measure, ... working in the shadow of reformation translated into a fairer forme springing from the old corrupt root; and to see the bickerings of the night-armie running on heaps now in the dawning of the day; and the uncircumcised in Heart and Ears in flying from the light, and repoose of the same: and from the alarum of the spirits trumpet which is founded vvithin, for the cutting downe of the man of sin, and for the quenching of his motions. Written in defence of the truth as it is in Jesus, by a foole to the wisdom of this world, who, according to measure, hath tasted and obtained of the wisdome	Helling, Joseph.	1658 (1658)	Wing H1382; ESTC R216631	44,515	52

Commission of the Ministry which was Go teach c. freely yee have received freely give and for his sake who gave this Commition we take pleasure in infirmity as the Apostle did a Cor. 12.10 and some in much patience which signes and wonders and mighty deeds as may be proved to the prayse of the loving God and we doe not make a gain of people as you doe no more then the Apostles did 2 Cor. 12.17.18 neither doe we goo to a Towne or parish to inquire what maintenance there is for a Minister as Tythes Gleabe-Lands c and give them a Sermon or two as you call them of liking But we goe to inquire who fears the Lord and owns the Spirit of God to be their Teacher which Teacher cannot be removed into a corner Isay 30.20 and with such we can take a little meat and drink which the Apostles was Commisioned to receive and here is our joy and proofe not onely in imitation but in life also witnesse a gainst all you who rules as Lords patterns of pride and covetonsnesse learning your Trade and selling your invenitions bearing rule by your weans which is a filthy horrible thing now in England as it was in Ieremiahs days Ier. 5.30 31. Oh ye Priests put it not from you for it sticks fast upon you Pr. And now to the rest of the Quaries I shall onely propose some cousiderations Ans I did but propound foure questions unto thee as in number and thou hast diverted two of them and answered two of them with lyes and true words and false accusations mixed together as one voyd of all sence making no matter what thou speake as is and may be proved Reader this is the querie which is not answered Whether the false Teachers and Decoivers may not be known by their fruits and whether they that bring●th forth the same fruits which was declared against by the true Prophet Christ Iesus and his Apostles of old be not the false Teachers now as they were then yea or nay This quaerie is digressed because it coma neer thee S. A. Pr. first Consideration Dost thou conclude in cold blood that either none or very few of the Ministers in England are truely godly and that either none or very few reall Saints are the seale of their Ministry in the Lord and is such sensoriousnesse safe and without flune Ans I doe conclude That the Ministers of Jesus Christ new in England who is called by the grace of God with Commission from the Spirit of God to Preach the Gospel freely as they have received in by the Revelation of Iesus in them as in Gal. 1.16 according to the measure of the gist of God Eph. 4.7 I say these are truely godly as they are obedient to the grace appeared mark and that the children of light who is called and obedient to the grace out of the fashions and customes of the world and out of all formally invented worships to worship God in spirit and in truth in the inward man Psal 51.6 I say this is the seale of their Ministry but that the Parish ministers who is called Ministers in England is truely godly that I do deny For he that loves me saith Christ keeps my Commandements now mark he hath commanded his to be perfect but the Priest of England denyes and pleads against his Doctrine herein he hath commanded not to sweare at all but the Priests of England pleads against hsi Doctrine herein he hath commanded not to sue any man at Law but the Priests of England resists his Doctrine here in suing poor people and swearing or causing some to sweare mens goods from them yes trebble sums Christ commanded to give freely as they had received but the Priests of England neither receives freely nor gives freely Christ commanded not to be called of man Master but the Priests of England both calls and is called Master with many more particulars which might be mentioned to this purpose all which shews That the Priests of England is out of Christs Doctrine and so hath not God 2 Iohn 9. so not truely godly And as for them which follows you which is thus found out of and oppose it against Christs Doctrine I say they make your Ministry manifert and seales it with their unbridled lungs and actions to be a barren fruitlesse Ministry voyd of sanctification which maketh Saints so you and your followers I doe deny to be either truely godly or reall Saints But I call them not in cold blood as thou quaeries neither according to flesh and bloods wiscom but by the spirit of truth and light of our Lord Iesus Christ I say I call you like Priest like people Hos 4.9 c. and this is no sinfull sensuring I commend my felse to every mans Conscience in the sight of God as the Apostle did 2 Cor. 4.2 and to the honest hearted every where who is but willing to compare your practises with the Doctrine of Christ and practises of his Aposels Pr. second Consideration Dost thou say or thinks that thy selfe mire hatest all daceit and sin whatsoever then the said godly Ministers and Sainits in England or else-where doe Ans I am not sufficient of my selfe to think any thing as of my selfe but my sufficiency is of God who hath opened my Book of Conscience wherein I find and reade the motions of the flesh to be an enemy to the motions of Gods Spirit which hath made me cry with tears for deliverance from that bondage so by the power of God I utterly tetest that nature in my selfe in the particular and in the generall which opposeth Christ and his Doctrine and doth conclude you to be no Ministers of Christ who wrests his Doctrine for selse ends and to your own destruction and them to be no Saints who follows such for the god of this world hath blinded their eyes that cannot see you to be painted Harlots lest the light of the glorious Gospel should shine unto them Therefore I say you are running from mountain to hill under pretence of Resormation and still without the doore in the fashions and customs of this world and in your airic Knowledge and Wisdom there you set up your building and also the foundation of your worship hatched by Tradition springing from imaginations the ground of changeable wayes● take notice of that Pr. third consideration Dost thou affirme that the detestable titles of blinde guides dumbe dogs greedy Dogs c. are given without sin to such Minesters and that their Doctrine and practises prova them to be such as Christ and his Apostles declares against Ans As for godly Saints or Ministers these titles are not given to such by us God forbid but I affirme and testisie by the spirit of truth with the Prophet that these titles are given without sin to you who is found seeking gain from your quarter as they were Isay 56.10 11. and you beare the expresse image of the false Prophets and false Apostles

to receive thy rusty stuffe back again into its own bottle from whence it was broached for it hath no place amongst us for by us all wickednesse and your leven and trash is denyed Pr. Who are not only as the Devill himselfe accusers of the Brethren but also contemners of the generation of Gods children Rev. 12.10 doe you not discover this apparantly in all your reproach full pratlings slanders seriblings and oppositions against the most godly and pretious both ministers and people whom the world batch Ans As for accusing the Saints or Children of light that 's false or for contemning godly and pretious Ministers and People far be if from us but Kaines generation Hams off-sping and Ishmaels brood and them that say they are Christians and Ministers of Christ Jesus and are not them we write and speak against in whose steps you are sound in envie and covetousnesse suing at Law straining mens goods Preaching for hire for filthy lucre therefore let Rev. 12.10 turne edge against thee who is not onely found accusing but falsely accusing and fiercely despising the innocent writing in wrath and contempt concluding us to be deluders and deluded becaus e the Lord hath opened our Eyes to see your cunning deceipt and hypocrisie for which cause you are angry because your trade is like to perish or be set at naught and if the rest of your Brethren the children of Mammon hate you yet know thou that you are both in one ground albeit you be a little more in words and seeming somthing more like the truth then the other yet receive them for thy Brethren for you are sound in the unity of enmity against the seed of the woman and teaching of Gods spirit within man contrary to Iohn 14.26 Pr. And will God thank you or will not the Devill rather for sadding the soules of the Saints whom the Lord would not have sadded Ans We are bound to give thanks unto God but not God to give us thanks here thou art seen in thy drunken wisedome speaking thou knows not what and as for the Devill he sights to maintain his Kingdom against us and therefore will not thank us for his peace is broken which thou calls sadding the soules of the Saints I say take heed that it be not the Devils peace that is broken in you for no other Kingdom doe we strive against but that of darknesse and if you were out of it in the election of grace then would you know us what we justifie what we condemn but thou and you knows us not therefore it is fulfilled which was spoken by our head they hated me without a cause even so doe you his members who are content to bear your hatred the Lord lay it not to your charge Pr. Or will he accept of your accusations charges and condemnations against his own Elect Is it not he that justifieth them who and what are you that you condemne them Ans God accepts the righteous and they shall judge the world and their accusations charges and condemnations is just against evill doers but that we condemn such is false but the spirit of truth in us condemneth such as is not acted by it and led out of pride and covetousnesse and out of Kaines Corahs and Balaams way where you are found And if you say God justifieth such I say its false and thou wilt find it so we are clear from accusing and condemning the Elect and justified of God so here thou art found a lyar Pr. And if God have long patience with you yet will not he alwayes forget nor at all forgive such great impiety except you Repent consider this you that forget God c. Ans While we were in the night of Apostasie and in darknesse under your fruitlesse ministry then were we forgetters of God as thou and you are which saith and doth not in which time the Lord might justly have cut us off in his hot displeasure but now he hath turned us toward himselfe by repentance in selfe denyall which repentance is never to be repented of and wouldst thou have us back again into the puddle of your imaginations we know your spirits if we could give you Tythes and let you goe on in your own wayes unreproved then we might be accepted and have peace with you by putting into your mouthes as well as others then we might escape the spoyling of our goods and the imprisoning of our bodies by you as well as the Papists and others Pr. Are not you they also that justifie the worst and wick●●st of the people above the godly Does not your more ordinary silence towards them with your feined and false faxning sly and subtle insinuation abundantly testifie this Ans Here thou false accuser I charge thee with a lye and it remains for thee to prove wherein and what wickednesse or wicked people we justifie how long will thou not cease to lye thou would fain be Capernaum-like but thou must come down to the sides of the pit for thy lyes and slanders except thou repent for I tell thee that our silence is not at all towards thee and you the leaders nor towards them that are led by you but wheresoever we meet with deceipt we warn people to fly from it And thou the leader of the blind must take thy portion with them that are blindly led except you repent And as for subtilly insinuating our selves into the wicked that 's false for out teaching is not with in●●cing words but we Preach the crosse of Christ which is a dying unto sin and a growing towards persection which is foolishnesse to you which teacheth people and tells them they shall never be persect here thou and you are sound subtilly to insinuate your perswasions into the transgressing part in people and there you lodge in the hearts of your hearers and by your bloody instigations stirs them up to fight for your trade take notice of that and be ashamed thus to bely the innocent who is under persecution by you Pr. Yea and most especially your own justification evinceth your guilt in this Ans Here I doe utterly deny thy assertion for selfe-justification we deny and all that remains in the flesh which is of the flesh and doth account it to be as rotten rags and menstruous clothes and doth abhor our selves and our own righteousnesse and perfection cleaving onely to that of Christ Jesus who hath and doth perfect juslifie sanctifie and glorifie and worketh in us both to will and to doe so a lyar thou art and as I said before not onely an accuser but a false accuser so be content to own it for thou hast set thy selse to act it to thy shame Pr. Who although as I said before you are a generation of evill doers decemblers and deceivers as is abundantly evident by all your unfruitfull words and works of darknesse notoriously known of all c. yet doe you justifie your selves more then the Pharisee though

practises as the Reader may take notice in my Answers all along this Book to that of God in every Conscience who Reades it I appeale Pr. fourth con Caust thou prove or darest thou deny that Ministers in the Gosspel time were not seated in their own Churches whether in Countries Townes or Cities Act. 14.23 ch 20.28 Tit. 1 5. 1 Pet 5 1.2 Col. 1.17 all these places plainly speaboth the countrary Ans I doe not deny but that the Apostles ordained Elders in every Church and that such as was not greedy of filthy luere Tit. 1.7 1 Tim 3.3 but took the over sight not for silthy luere but of a ready mind 1 Pet. 5.1.2.3 and they watched for soules Heb. 13 17. and not for gain from their quarters as you Priests doe but that they were seated in Parishes the Popes division with their set stypends suing men at Law if they could not pay them the tenth of the increase of their goods and ground I say that of deny and all these Scriptures that thou hast cited will not prove such a thing as that the Eiders there spoken of received Tythes either Tews Tythes or Gentiles Tythes as tenth Stack tenth Cock tenth Lambe tenth Fleece tenth Geese tenth Pig and a Hen if one have but two and Smoake pence or Peter pence c. so S. A. thou and thy Fellows with your invented Elders must be forced to own the Pope to be the institutor and promulgator of your Gentiles Tythes and he is your example for these things and not the Apostles nor Elders of old and I refer the Reader to Henry Clarkes Book stiled a description of the Prophets Apostles and Ministers of Christ and also of them called Ministers in England c. there thou may take notice of the rise and foundation of your English Church order and your Ministers maintenance who is found deceitfull workers and enemies to the Crosse of Christ Pr. fifth con Were not the Apostles Evangelists and Prophets extraordinary Officers in the Church 1 Cor. 12.28 and particularly Commissioned to Preach up and down at itinerants any where every where without limitation Mark 16.15 and doth not thy deniall of this argue grosse ignorance of the very Scripture letter Ans Here thou shews thine extravagant spirit confusedly Reader compare the fourth proposition and fifth together and see what contraditions is in them for in the fourth thou S. A. goes about to prove the Ministers setled in Churches whether in Countries Townes or Cities and now thou saith they are Commissioned to Preach any where every where without limitation and also that they are particularly Commissioned and were extraordinary Officers citing Marks 16 15 as though none but the eleven had had that commission let Paul Silas Timothy Barnabas and these Scriptures Acts 20.4.5.6 ch 13.1 ch 9.10 bear witnesse against thy falacy for Apostles Prophets and Evangelists with Pastors and Teachers Eph. 4.11 is but ordinary members compacted in the body 1 Cor. 12.12 27.28 and ordinarily supplyeth that place in the body where they are placed as also doth the lesser members and one cannot say to another I have no need of thee 1 Cor. 12.21.22 c. so but ordinary Officers in the body for the edifying of the same and for the compleating and perfecting it so here thy deceipt is seen and thou not to be like unto them nor none of you Tythe-mongers who is at ease in the flesh and in your parishes with a fat benefice And whereas thou saith I deny the Apostles Evangelists and Prophets Call Commission Office and Ministry w●ch was without limitation here I charge thee in meeknes and in truth to be a lyar for I own the Apostles Prophets and Evangelists their call commission office and travell in their Ministry and I honour them with my soule whose record layes open such leveners as thou to be deceitfull workers and enemies to the Crosse of Christ transformed into the name of the Ministers of Christ but the nature ground commission and life of Christ his Apostles you want so take thy shameles accusations home again who hath thus belied me the Lord open thy eyes to see thy own folly Pr. sixth con Is there not a vast difference between taking hire and wages which the workman is worthy of Luke 10.7.1 Cor 9.7.10.15 1 Tim. 5.18 and teaching for hire and filthy lucre sake and if it be the duty of all that are taught in the Word to communicate to him that teacheth in all good things Gal. 6 6. canst thou prove that it is not lawfull for them to take such things and if Tythes are a Legall ceremony and unlawfull under the Gospel A. Here the end of thy drut is seen Meats for the belly and the belly is for meat but God shall destroy both it and them 1 Cor. 6.13 but there is a great difference between that hire wages which the Apostles was commissioned to receive and taking of Gentile tythes which was never commanded in the Old or New Testament and also taking set stipends making bargains with Parishes suing and casting into prisons as is proved I say here is a vast difference thou hast cited Luke 10 1.1 Cor. 10 7. 10 15.1 Tim 5.8 for the defence of your hire Reader take notice of Luke 10.7 where Christ saith in the same house r●m●in eating and drinking c. for the labourer is worthy of his hire also v 8. Eat such things as is set before you mark he doth not say Take Tythes and if they will not give you Tythes sue them at Law or cast them into prison as you priests doe but he said they might cate and drink with them that did receive them Luke 10.8 mind that they were not to bide where they were not received v 10. But the Priests of our time who calls themselves Ministers of Christ as men voyd of all reason compels all sorts of people to maintain them albeit they be not received and they that denyes them to Tythes let them be what they will in opinion or judgement in Law or prison they must goe Oh shamelesse men where is your comission or example in the New Testament for these things yea or in the Old Testament And whereas thou cites 1 Cor. 9 7. I say take notice Paul saith v. 4. have we not power to eat and to drink I mark he doth not say have we not power to take Tythes and although he had power to eat and to drink yet he used none of these things neither did he write that it should be done unto him see ve●ses 15.16.17 18 19. And as for 1 Tim 5.18 I answer we shall not deprive the Oxe of his provender nor the labourer of his hire but shall communicate of our carnalls to them that sows spirituall and teaches in all good things as al 6.6 I say if any who labours in the Word and preaches freely as he hath received it come amongst us he shall have meat and

and teachers so 〈◊〉 art found ●onle in that wherein thou seared me and now thou must take the papists for thy and your brethren and hearers and let them b●ate your testimony for they pay you Tythes or wages and you injoy their sh●pps marke that Pr. 9. Ac. The ●arsts know that the great thing that must be done before they can ●●duce amongst us is to make them reject their teachers and there fore they bond all their wits and endeavours to vi●●fie them and drow the hearts of the people from them end so do the Quakers Ans What the papists your owners doth it is nothing to us we deny them and your pastets and teachers who is thus found in discord First thou saith they call you no true Ministers but deceivers Secondly thou saith they own you for their pastors and teachers And now thou saith they strave to vis●●fie you and draw people form you Oh bottomles pit consasion no wonder if they mist or vapour darken the ayre and obscure the Sn but that we bend our wits and endeavours to debase you or villisie you contrary to truth and righteousnes I say that false for we lye in the will of God who is gathering people from all dumbe shepherds himselfe that they may be no more meat for them Eze. 34.10 so we rest in his counsell and in his promise ●zo 34.11.10.17 Iohn 10.16 so we rest in his counsell who treads the winepress● alone Isay 63.3.4.5.6 by whose power the refuge of lyars is violated and he hath a controversie with you all and is risen in righteous judgement to render a reward to the proud Psal 94.2 Pr. 10. Ac. The Papists main error consists in the contempt of the Soriptures they say they will not take it for the Word of God but on the authority of the Church and that it is but part of his Word and that Decrees and Constitutions of Popes and Counsels are of equall authority with it the Quakers say it s not the Word of God but onely a Declaration of the Word that was in them that gave it forth and that what thems●lves speak or write is from the same spirit therfore equal with it A. Here we deny both you and the papists who holds the Scripture to be the Word either in part or in whole and also we do deny both the Popes Decrees Constitutions Counsels and your divinations and practises to be equal with or agreeable either to the Scripture as it is or to the spirit that gave them forth and you that say they are the Word and they that say they are in part the Word of God I say unto you you are both Idolaters for the Scripture which you call the Word saith God was the Word John 1.1 and that Word became Flesh John 1.14 so you Priests is forming a whole idoll and the Papists but part of an idoll so you are found filling up the measure of your fathers greater idolaters then the pa●if●s And whereas thou saith the Quakers say it s but onely a Declaration I say the Evangelist saith also so Luke 1.1 and God is the Word who also is a spirit which did inspire his mind and will into his servants which they recorded for a restimony unto future ages which testimony is perverted wrested idolized and made a trade upon by the Parish-masters of England and else-where who is owned of the Papists for Pastors and Teachers according to S. A. his own consession but as touching the Word of God I have spoken largely to it in the 15 pag. so I say he that speaketh and writeth truth in sincerity speaketh and ●riteth from the spirit of truth viz. the spirit of God and so from the same spirit that gave forth the Scriptures and so as it is truth equall with the Scriptures of truth according to its measure Pr. 11. Ac. The Papists say it is but a dead letter so do the Quakers A. Thou said before that the papists owned you to be their pastors and teachers so you popish pastors and teachers we deny your testimony if you say that inke and paper in it selfe is living but we own it that it was the inspired words and will of God freely revealed and freely recorded by them to whom it was inspired by the moveings of the holy Ghost and so written freely for our learning but not to make a trade of as the Papists Bishops and Iesuites did of old after five or six or seven years learning as Prentises at some University and as the Parish masters doe now who after 5.6 or 7. years Prentises at some University or great Schoole gets a place or Parish in the Country and so much in the year and teaches there it may be all his life-time and will tell people that three parts of the world hath never heard of Christ and yet he abides in his Parish and once in seven dayes stands up in his shop where he is accompani●d by some may be 40.50 or 60. years with some and more or lesse with most part and still they are like the crackling of Thornes under a pot unbridled unstable not so much of Christs Doctrine lived in and obeyed as yea nay in their communication or not to sweare at all so you Priests are found hatched in the Popes Nest but deeper in the mistery of witchcraft by sayrer painted profession Pr. 12. Ac. The Papists say it is not fit to be judge of controversies the Quakers say the touchstone of tryall is not the word without but the light within Ans I say I deny the Papists herein for the Scriptures is fit to judge of some controversies if it be held in the righteous part but I doe not say neither with the Papists that it is not fit nor with you popish pastors and teachers that it is the tryar of spirits so here I deny both the Papists and you And whereas thou salst We say the touchstone is not the Word without but the light within I say that God it light John 1.5 who fils Heaven and Earth with his presence let 23.24 and this is the word which we own which is like a sire and a hammar before whose eyes all things are naked and open Heb. 4.12.13 who is a discerner of the thoughts and searches the heart and tryes the reignes of people this is our touchstone the Word nigh in our mouthes and hearts Rom. 10 8. the ingrofied Word I am 1.21 and this is the light which shineth in our hearts which giveth us the knowledge of the glory of God 2 Cor. 4 6. and reproves and makes manifest all things Eph. 5.13 and thou that contemns the light within comtemns that which gave the Apostles knowledge 2 Cor. 4 6 for Christ was given for a light see the promise Isay 49.6 and also his own testimony Ioh. 8.12 12.46 and it was not a Christ without the Gentiles which was the hope of glory but Christ in them Col. 1.27 and this Christ is the