Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	apostle_n	church_n	whole_a	2,196	5	5.5864	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A52063	A vindication of the answer to the humble remonstrance from the unjust imputation of frivolousnesse and falshood Wherein, the cause of liturgy and episcopacy is further debated. By the same Smectymnuus.	Smectymnuus.; Marshall, Stephen, 1594?-1655. aut; Calamy, Edmund, 1600-1666. aut; Young, Thomas, 1587-1655. aut; Newcomen, Matthew, 1610?-1669. aut; Spurstowe, William, 1605?-1666. aut	1654 (1654)	Wing M799; ESTC R217369	134,306	232

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surfeit_v the_o reader_n eye_n 75._o unless_o you_o can_v bring_v they_o to_o prove_v that_o bishop_n do_v and_o may_v exercise_v sole_a jurisdiction_n only_o because_o you_o so_o triumph_v in_o our_o suppose_a escape_n let_v we_o entreat_v you_o or_o the_o reader_n for_o you_o to_o look_v upon_o your_o cite_a council_n of_o antioch_n 24_o 25_o canon_n where_o you_o say_v the_o bishop_n have_v power_n of_o those_o thing_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n 75._o and_o see_v whether_o that_o speak_v one_o word_n of_o jurisdiction_n or_o be_v not_o whole_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o distribution_n of_o the_o good_n of_o the_o church_n as_o both_o the_o instance_n give_v in_o the_o canon_n and_o zonaras_n on_o that_o place_n manifest_a one_o shift_n yet_o the_o remonstrant_a have_v more_o and_o that_o be_v to_o tell_v we_o that_o this_o joint_a government_n be_v but_o occasional_a and_o temporary_a in_o time_n of_o persecution_n 76._o but_o when_o a_o general_a peace_n have_v bless_v they_o and_o they_o have_v a_o concurrence_n of_o sovereign_a and_o subordinate_a authority_n with_o they_o they_o begin_v so_o much_o to_o ●emit_v this_o care_n of_o conjoin_v their_o force_n as_o they_o suppose_v to_o find_v less_o need_n of_o it_o doctor_n downham_n to_o who_o he_o refer_v in_o the_o page_n before_o assign_v other_o reason_n namely_o presbyter_n desire_v their_o ease_n and_o scholastical_a quietness_n which_o he_o say_v and_o prove_v not_o and_o also_o the_o bishop_n desire_v to_o rule_v alone_o 8._o which_o we_o find_v to_o be_v the_o true_a cause_n by_o experience_n for_o if_o the_o bishop_n be_v of_o the_o remonstrants_n mind_n persuade_v that_o the_o more_o frequent_a communicate_v of_o all_o the_o important_a business_n of_o the_o church_n whether_o censure_n or_o determination_n with_o those_o grave_a assistant_n which_o in_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o law_n be_v design_v to_o this_o purpose_n be_v a_o thing_n not_o only_o unprejudicial_a to_o the_o honour_n of_o episcopacy_n but_o behooveful_a to_o the_o church_n why_o shall_v not_o the_o bishop_n do_v