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a_o particular_a church_n in_o correspondence_n with_o the_o universal_a therefore_o little_a to_o their_o church_n and_o if_o i_o do_v reply_n that_o this_o text_n belong_v also_o to_o particular_a church_n than_o this_o do_v redound_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o that_o this_o do_v belong_v to_o particular_a prelate_n to_o excommunicate_v he_o himself_o do_v confess_v in_o this_o section_n therefore_o must_v he_o conclude_v that_o i_o conclude_v for_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o yet_o moreover_o in_o all_o this_o long_a gloss_n upon_o the_o text_n how_o little_a have_v we_o have_v of_o that_o upon_o which_o all_o in_o this_o discourse_n turn_v namely_o whether_o authority_n of_o excommunication_n be_v it_o in_o the_o universal_a or_o a_o particular_a church_n respect_v not_o formal_o the_o contempt_n not_o the_o non-assent_a let_v they_o speak_v less_o or_o more_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o yet_o again_o he_o will_v drive_v it_o on_o in_o a_o loose_a way_n that_o we_o have_v a_o command_n from_o god_n to_o hear_v the_o church_n absolute_o and_o universal_o to_o this_o purpose_n he_o say_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o judge_n disobey_v the_o commonwealth_n so_o general_o speak_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o prelate_n of_o the_o particular_a church_n disobey_v the_o universal_a church_n command_v she_o to_o proceed_v according_a to_o her_o decree_n canon_n and_o definition_n ans_fw-fr here_o be_v not_o much_o and_o for_o they_o less_o a_o commonwealth_n be_v a_o term_n ambiguous_a and_o may_v be_v take_v strict_o or_o large_o strict_o in_o the_o form_n large_o as_o include_v head_n and_o member_n and_o in_o this_o large_a sense_n may_v be_v consider_v with_o more_o respect_n to_o the_o body_n or_o to_o the_o head_n in_o confuso_fw-la or_o in_o capite_fw-la if_o he_o take_v it_o in_o the_o strict_a sense_n it_o be_v not_o to_o any_o purpose_n because_o there_o be_v a_o different_a reason_n of_o law_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n and_o in_o the_o church_n for_o in_o a_o commonwealth_n so_o law_n proceed_v from_o they_o as_o the_o efficient_a thereof_o but_o in_o the_o church_n truth_n and_o duty_n do_v come_v from_o god_n and_o therefore_o in_o such_o case_n the_o disobedience_n reflect_v upon_o god_n now_o the_o case_n we_o dispute_v upon_o be_v in_o necessary_a truth_n and_o duty_n if_o he_o understand_v a_o commonwealth_n large_o and_o then_o with_o more_o particular_a repute_n to_o the_o people_n the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v not_o reflect_v upon_o they_o unless_o objective_o and_o consequent_o because_o though_o they_o be_v not_o their_o judge_n by_o way_n of_o authority_n yet_o they_o be_v their_o judge_n in_o way_n of_o end_n for_o their_o good_a if_o it_o be_v take_v with_o more_o relation_n to_o the_o head_n who_o judge_n they_o be_v by_o authoritative_a commission_n it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v redound_v upon_o he_o but_o here_o be_v difference_n betwixt_o they_o for_o particular_a prelate_n do_v not_o depend_v upon_o the_o universal_a church_n as_o judge_n do_v upon_o the_o head_n of_o a_o commonwealth_n because_o bishop_n have_v their_o authority_n by_o divine_a right_n which_o be_v contend_v for_o hot_o in_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o have_v proceed_v affirmative_o have_v not_o the_o roman_a court_n bandy_v against_o it_o and_o then_o also_o the_o matter_n of_o disobedience_n we_o speak_v of_o be_v from_o god_n not_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o the_o matter_n of_o civil_a disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n be_v from_o the_o head_n and_o then_o again_o we_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o disobedience_n positive_a which_o my_o adversary_n do_v instance_n in_o but_o in_o obedience_n which_o be_v negative_a and_o then_o again_o particular_a prelate_n be_v not_o so_o bind_v in_o thing_n of_o particular_a order_n as_o the_o people_n be_v bind_v to_o the_o law_n of_o a_o particular_a nation_n and_o also_o then_o this_o will_v 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