believe but this one Point for when once this great Gobbet is swallow'd down the Passage will be so well open'd that all other Points of Faith either go down with it or will slip after it without the least straining or grutching The Authority of God himself speaking in Scripture will be of no farther consideration to us for that we must suppose to be included in the Authority of our Mother the Church And whatsoever we shall thence-forward perceive to be the Will of our Mother we must without all scruple conclude it to be also the Will of our Father The Representer hath lately told us that tho the Scripture which is the Word of our Heavenly Father may be the Law yet the Mother the Roman Church is the Iudg. Having learn'd from her the sense of the Scripture we are obliged to submit to this and never presume on our own private Sentiments however seemingly grounded on Reason and Scripture to believe or preach any new Doctrine opposite to the Belief of the Church And there 's reason for this if it be true which he elsewhere tells us That a Man may very easily frame as many Creeds as he pleases and make Christ and his Apostles speak what shall be most agreeable to his humour and suit best with his Interest and find plain proofs for all he means in Scripture the truth whereof as of all other Points of Doctrine stands as he saith upon the same Foundation of the Churches Tradition which if it fail in one leaves no security in any This is indeed to advance the Church to the very top-branch of all Authority and to make the holy Scripture as very a Nose of Wax and as Leaden a Rule as any of that Church ever thought it seeing a Man may form and work it into Creeds of all fashions and find plain proofs in it for any odd Humour or carnal and Worldly Interest This then as far as I can learn by him is the only way for me to be a thorow Papist and a good Catholick I must lay aside my Reason and the Scripture and heed no more what either of these tell me only I must have my Ear open to the Voice of the Church and be wholly at her teaching and command and I shall be safe enough Upon the most serious consideration of the Character which the Papist is pleas'd to give us of himself I cannot find what it is for which they of that Church are so severely bent against us Protestants save only that we will not like tame Animals without any understanding of our own learn to come and go at a whistle or trot on the Road as we are driven and stoop to take on our Backs whatever Load it shall please the Roman Church to lay upon us confessing her to have absolute and uncontroulable Authority over our Faith. The standing out against the Catholick Church makes Men Hereticks and without erring against this no Man is guilty of Heresy said the Iesuit Fisher in his Answer to certain Questions propounded to him by King Iames I. This then is the only Heresy to disown the Authority of the Roman for that he calls the Catholick Church Again saith he One fundamental Error of the Protestants is their denying the Primacy of St. Peter and his Successors the Foundation which Christ laid of his Church necessary for the perpetual Government thereof And again He that forsakes the Church puts himself into a dead and damnable State and may have all things besides Salvation and Eternal Life Bellarmine speaks out and tells us very plainly No Man can tho he would be subject to Christ and communicate with the Celestial Church that is not subject to the Pope If then we believe this Authority of the Roman Church we believe all and if we believe not this we believe nothing at all in the Papists account or to any better purpose than to our own Damnation So that without this Belief our Faith shall never pass for an entire Faith and when we once believe this it shall never be any more question'd whether it be entire or no. Now it seems a very hard matter to believe this great Point of Faith till very good Reasons be given us for it and yet it should seem the want of such Reasons will not excuse us from being Hereticks and in a State of Damnation no not tho we be never so ready to believe it when we shall have Reasons given us for it For he is an Heretick we are told who thinks any thing against the Definition of the Church yet stands so affected that he will think the contrary if he be convinced by Arguments or if the matter be propounded to him by a Learned Man. And on the contrary if we do believe this we can hardly be Hereticks whatever Errors we believe or this Belief draws us into For if a Rustick saith Cardinal Tolet believe his Bishop about the Articles of Faith teaching him some Heretical Doctrine he merits by believing altho it be an Error So weighty a Point is this of believing the Authority of the Roman Church and grounding our entire Faith upon it that I perceive I am concern'd above all things to examine it throughly and this I shall have fitter opportunity to do now I am come to the second thing propounded SECT II. Hitherto I have been considering what ground I have to hope for Salvation as I am a Protestant and of the Church of England I am now in the next place to enquire Whether I can find any Reason to believe that the Church of Rome can put me into a more hopeful Way to it should I turn Papist and be of her Communion Now seeing I have already found that the great Reason why we are held uncapable of Salvation as now we are is this That we have no entire Faith and the Defect in our Faith is this That we believe not all the Articles of the Roman Faith and that which makes it necessary for us to believe all those Articles is the Authority of the Catholick that is as they interpret the Roman Church to declare and define what things are necessary to the Salvation of Christians I perceive I have no more to do for my full Satisfaction in the present Inquiry but to consider what Reason I can have for the owning and submitting to this Authority And to discern this I think this Method fittest to be taken I will inquire into three things I. What things are implied in that Submission to this Authority which is required of me II. What the Grounds and Reasons are whereon this Authority is founded and which should perswade me to submit III. Where this Authority may be found and to whom I must submit And this is all I think that I need to do for I can never think fit to submit my Faith and Conscience and to trust my Salvation to an Authority which either requires of me such things as are
Responses The learnedst of the Romish Church are not yet well agreed about it and if the English Representer or French Expounder have had the luck to hit it I am sure that many heretofore who thought themselves as wise as either of them have strangely miss'd it Or else that Council and the Religion call'd Popery hath several Faces for several Times and Countries and in one place and time shall look like it self and in another shall be made to look as like the Protestant Religion as the Artificial Painter dares make it But that which here put us to a stand in this That as the Pope at first taught that Council to speak so hath he reserved the Interpretation of its Decrees to the See Apostolick or himself only and He is not always pleas'd in plain terms to let us know his Mind and if he should for once speak out plainly it will be a little hard for him to assure us that none of his Successors shall hereafter contradict him unless he can satisfy us that he has as well the Gift of Prophesying as that of defining and interpreting However it is for not believing the new Articles of Trent that we are accounted Hereticks and out of the way to Heaven And the reason is because these Articles are supposed to be as firmly grounded on the Word of God as any of those old ones which we believe For the Word of God saith the Council of Trent is partly contain'd in the Books of Scripture and partly in Traditions unwritten these are to be received with the same affection of Piety and Reverence and therefore he that disbelieves any Article grounded upon unwritten Tradition is no less a Heretick than he that disbelieves what is written in the Books of Scripture If I knew how to be satisfied concerning the Authority of this Council I could easily tell what Credit I should give to this which it so confidently affirms But so long as I cannot discern the reason of it's pretended Authority I am a little apt to suspect that it was not the clearness of this Principle that moved it to make so many either unscriptural or antiscriptural Decrees but rather the desire it had of vindicating its unscriptural Doctrines and Practices that made it necessary to espouse such a Principle And indeed when I well consider it I am not a little comforted by it that this equalling unwritten Tradition with Scripture which is the very Basis of the Romish Religion is one of the most incredible things in the World of it self and as destitute of any tolerable Evidence whence it may gain any Credit to it self It must needs seem very strange to any considering Man That the wise God should leave us a Rule in writing on purpose to direct us how to honour Him and attain to Salvation and give it this Commendation that it is able to make wise unto Salvation and yet omit a great many things altogether as necessary to those ends as those that are written and without the Belief and Practice whereof those that are written can no whit avail us and yet never so much as once tell us in all that Writing whither we should go to seek and learn them Nay that he should omit therein the principal Point of all and without which all that is either written or unwritten can signify nothing that is to tell us That the Roman Church is the only true Church the only sure and Infallible Interpreter of all that is written and the only faithful Keeper of all that is unwritten from the Mouth whereof we must receive all saving Truth This I think is a thing that must needs be very hard for any one to believe that believes the Infinite Wisdom Goodness and Veracity of God. And how it can ever be made evident that there are such necessary unwritten Traditions or that these which the Church of Rome holds are they I think no Man living can imagine I am sure if the Papists way of reasoning be good it 's safer not to believe this For all Sides consent that the Scripture which we have is the certain Word of God but all Sides are not agreed that unwritten Traditions are the Word of God therefore it is safer to believe the Scripture only to be the Word of God and not Traditions We hold us to Scripture and the Papists grant that to be the safest Rule their greatest strength lies in unwritten or as they are wont to speak Oral and Practical Traditions which in plain English is no more but Report and Custom and whether there can reasonably be thought any certainty in these equal to that of the written Word of God given by Divine Inspiration can be no hard matter for a very weak Understanding to determine That which makes these unwritten Traditions of the less Credit with me is the assurance I have that a pretence to them and a vain confidence in them hath produced much Error and Division in the Church 'T is well known how far and how long the Errors of the Millenaries and of administring the Eucharist to Infants to mention no more prevail'd on this account And the early Schisms betwixt the Roman and Asian Churches about the keeping of Easter and the hot Contests between the Roman and African Churches about rebaptizing Hereticks were occasion'd and upheld by Pretences on all hands to Tradition This was the only Refuge of old for Hereticks when they were confounded by the Scripture to take shelter under Tradition whence Tertullian call'd them Lucifugas Scripturarum Men who shunn'd the Light of the Scriptures Again saith he They confess indeed that the Apostles were ignorant of nothing and differed not among themselves in their preaching but they will not have it that they revealed all things to all for some things they deliver'd openly to all some things secretly and to a few and that because St. Paul useth this saying to Timothy O Timothy keep that which is committed to thy trust And again that good thing which is committed to thee keep Irenaeus also makes mention of Hereticks who affirm'd That out of the Scriptures the Truth could not be found out by them who understood not Tradition because it was not deliver'd by Writing but by living Voice for which cause also St. Paul said we speak Wisdom among them that are perfect St. Augustine in his 97th Tract upon Iohn saith that all the most foolish Hereticks who desire to be accounted Christians used to colour their audacious Fictions with a pretence from that Sentence of the Gospel Joh. 16. 10. I have many things to say unto you but you cannot bear them now Thus did the Hereticks of old both plead Tradition and sought to strengthen their Plea by such places of Scripture as these which are the very same that the Papists produce to the same purpose as may be seen in Bellarmine and others But I find that the Orthodox Fathers of the Church were of another Mind The
things which we find not in the Scriptures saith St. Ambrose how can we use them Ambr. Offic. l. 1. c. 23. Let those of Hermogenes his Shop saith Tertullian shew that it is written If it be not written let them fear that Woe design'd for those that add or take away Irenaeus saith that what the Apostles had preach'd the same afterwards by the Will of God they deliver'd unto us in the Scriptures to be the foundation and pillar of our Faith. St. Hierome against Helvidius calls the Holy Scriptures the only Fountain of Truth Let us bring saith St. Austin for trial not the deceitful Ballances where we may hang on what we will and how we will at our own pleasure saying this is heavy and this is light but let us bring the Divine Ballance of the Holy Scriptures and in that let us weigh what is heavier nay let us not weigh but let us own the things already weighed by the Lord. And elsewhere The Holy Scripture saith he fixeth the Rule of our Doctrine And indeed the excellent sayings of the Antients to this purpose are so well known that I should be very vain to cite any more here If now after all this I should suppose what I can by no means yet grant that God having order'd the Scriptures to be written and said so much in the Commendation thereof they do not yet contain all things necessary to Salvation but that some part of those necessary things as both some Hereticks of old and Papists now would have it believed was only whisper'd privately into the Ears of the Apostles as Mysteries unfit at that time to be communicated to vulgar Christians and that the Apostles tho they were commanded by Christ to preach upon the House-tops that which he had told them privately in the Ear Mar. 10. 27. did not yet think themselves obliged to obey this Command in writing all that was necessary but rather to conceal for a time a considerable part of that mysterious Doctrine Yea suppose that this was one principal use of St. Peter's Keys to lock up all these Mysteries in the Cabinet of the Churches Breast let the Church signify what it can to be communicated to the World in after-Ages by piece-meal so as she should find Men prepar'd by a blind credulity to receive them Yet after all I must needs think that we are too hardly dealt with to be called Hereticks for not believing these things till something be produced whereby we may be assur'd either that these things which they commend to us come indeed from Christ his Apostles or that we are obliged to take the Church of Rome's word for a good Assurance It seems to me a very unreasonable thing that we should be condemn'd as obstinate for not believing things never sufficiently proved whilst we know and declare our selves prepared in Mind to yield upon the first rational Conviction Why should not that Church have the charity to forbear her Censures till she have tried the strength of her Arguments Why was the Council of Trent contrary to the Custom of other Councils so liberal of her Curses and so sparing of her Reasons One good Reason would do more to make us of her Communion than a thousand Anathema's Would not a Man suspect that they have no good Reasons to shew who keep them so close The plain Truth is there have been such vain Pretences to Tradition in all Ages one contradicting another that it seems impossible in this Age to discern between true and false Did not Clemens Alexandrinus call it an Apostolical Tradition that Christ preach'd but one Year And did not Irenaeus pretend a Tradition descending from St. Iohn that Christ was about fifty Years old when he was crucified And do the Papists accout either of these to be true Many things might be named which for some time have been received as Apostolical Traditions which the Church of Rome will not now own to be so And those which she owns she can no more prove to be so than those she hath rejected It were easy to shew this even from abundance of their own Writers who assert the Perfection of the Scripture and complain of the Mischief this pretence to Tradition hath done and who confess they cannot be proved to come from the Apostles But I shall now content my self with the ingenuous Confession of the Bishops assembled at Bononia in their Counsel given to P. Iulius the 3 d. We plainly confess say they among our selves that we cannot prove that which we hold and teach concerning Traditions but we have some conjectures only And again In truth whosoever shall diligently consider the Scripture and then all the things that are usually done in our Churches will find there is great difference betwixt them and that this Doctrine of ours is very unlike and in many things quite repugnant to it What said Erasmus long since on the 2 d Psalm They call the People off saith he from the Scriptures unto little humane Traditions which they have honestly invented for their own Profit And Peter Suter a bitter Adversary of his hath these words Since many things are delivered to be observed which are not expresly found in Holy Scripture will not unlearned Persons taking notice of these things easily murmur complaining that so great Burdens should be laid upon them whereby the Liberty of the Gospel is so greatly impaired Will they not also easily be drawn away from the observance of Ecclesiastical Ordinances when they shall find that they are not contained in the Law of Christ And must we be Hereticks for not believing these so uncertain Traditions Must our Faith be accounted defective and not entire meerly because we do not believe what no Man can make us understand to co come from God This seems very hard It is now time for me to consider the second Objection made against our Faith which is That it is not rightly grounded it is not built on the Authority of the Church that is the Church of Rome And indeed so much weight I find laid upon this one Point that I have some reason to think that they who have been very forward at all times to give such liberal allowances of implicit Faith to their Friends at home would be contented with a very small measure of explicit Belief in us if we would once be taught to ground our Faith aright on the sole Authority of that Church It seems to me that for the talk about it they are no such rigid Exactors of an entire explicit Faith in order to Salvation but that if we will explicitly believe this one fundamental Point the Supreme Authority of the Roman Church over all Christians they will deal very favourably with us in most others and excuse our Ignorance easilier than they can perswade us to be content to be ignorant I think I have very good reason to believe this because I know they can have no reason to reject them that
her Soveraignty It will therefore concern me to ask How I may be rightly inform'd in both these great branches of her Power unto which my subjection is required upon pain of Damnation 1. She claims a Power of Interpreting or giving the certain Sense of Scripture of Iudging and finally Deciding all Controversies of Religion of peremptorily Defining and Determining in all matters of Faith and Religious Practice so that all are bound without any further dispute or search to submit to all her Determinations and Decrees INFALLIBLE then we must believe this Church to be and that she cannot Err in her Definitions of Faith and Manners And yet where this INFALLIBILITY is to be found is a Question she is not to this day able to resolve In short I find that this Infallible Church which tells us that she cannot Err when she is desired to make this apparent to the World can tell us certainly both How and in What she can Err and in this I doubt not but she is Infallible enough but who they are in all her Communion or in what things it is that they cannot err this she could never tell us certainly and yet it is this alone that can make her Infallibility if she have it to be of any use to us The REPRESENTER saith That the PAPIST believes that the Pastors and Prelates of his Church are Fallible that there is none of them and yet the POPE is one of them and COUNCILS are made up of them but may fall into Errors Heresy and Schism and consequently are subject to mistakes And further he tells us That tho some allow the POPE the assistance of a Divine Infallibility without being in a General Council yet he is satisfied 't is only their Opinion and not their Faith there being no obligation from the Church of assenting to any such Doctrine And tho he maintain the Necessity and Right of General Councils lawfully Assembled yet is it not so plain whether he count them infallible or no by what he says in that Chapter of Councils This we are told That if any thing contrary to what Christ taught and his Apostles should be defined and commanded to be believed even by ten thousand Councils he believes it damnable in any one to receive it But in the following Chapter he speaks out and says That by the Assistance of the Holy Ghost they are specially protected from all Error in all Definitions and Declarations in matters of Faith And this is true tho he grants it possible that the Pastors and Prelates there assembled may be proud ignorant covetous enormous sinners and infamous for other vices and at other times may prevaricate make Innovations in Faith and teach erroneous Doctrines Now a man would think That if all the Guides and Pastors of the Flock not one excepted may err then the Sheep which are bound to follow their Shepherds may err also and if the Fallible lead the Fallible 't is not impossible for both to err and who it is that is infallible is hard to see And again seeing he tells us That Christ committed the care of his Flock to St. Peter and that the POPE or Bishop of Rome is in this charge St. Peter ' s Successor and that God assists those who have this charge with a particular helping Grace such as has a special respect to the Office and Function and that such as was given to the Prophets and to Moses when he was made a God to Pharoah I cannot see but it must be as consequent to all this that the POPE should be Infallible as that a General Council is so especially when it is his Approbation that gives force to its Decrees Moreover it is not easy to believe that God hath made a promise of Infallible Assistance to any number of Pastors and Prelates who are no better qualified than he supposes they may most of them be with Pride Ignorance and Vice Turbulence and Covetousness and assembled it may be under an Heretical Pope for such 't is granted he may be and as vicious too and ignorant as any of them However there are two things which make it very hard to find out this Infalliblility where he sends us to seek it in a General Council For first they must be lawfully assembled and next they must determine nothing contrary to what Christ and his Apostles taught otherwise 't is damnable to receive their Determinations Now it will be hard for me to find out how lawfully they were assembled and therefore as hard to believe all their Decrees as Infallible and I fear I must not be allow'd to examine their Definitions whether they be according to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles or no lest I thereby seem to follow my own private Iudgment or Spirit rather than the Infallible Iudgment of the Church Representative This is all then that I can learn from his Discourse I must take it for a Truth that this Infallibility is lodg'd in a General Council and that it can determine nothing contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and then I need not inquire whether it have done so or no tho if it have done so 't is damnable for me to receive its Determinations But I will hear what others tell me Bellarmin saith That all Catholicks are thus far agreed That the POPE as he is POPE in the midst of his Councellors or together with a General COUNCIL may Err or Iudg amiss in matters of Fact. And if this be true he may even so err in the whole Faith as far as I can yet see for he may thus err in determining that there were such Men as Christ and his Apostles that any of them Preached planted Churches writ Books that these are their Books or that St. Peter was at ROME and was Bishop there left the Bishops of that See his Successors in all his Power that there hath been an uninterrupted Succession of Bishops in that Church that any unwritten Traditions concerning Faith and Manners were left to the Custody of the Church and many more such things which were matters of Fact and on which the Faith of that Church depends Again he saith That the POPE as a private Doctor may Err even through Ignorance in matters both of Faith and Manners And thus the Church whether Virtual or Representative may err But I would fain hear wherein she cannot Err and whether all Catholicks are agreed as well in that The famous Chancellor of Paris Gerson Almain Alphonsus a Castro the Parisian Doctors yea and no less man than P. ADRIAN the VI th saith the same Author have taught That the POPE as he is POPE may be a Heretick and teach Heresy when he desineth any thing without a General COUNCIL And truly If as a Man he may be a Heretick I see no reason why he may not be so as a POPE for I take the Man and the POPE to be here both one But further these last named will
Imprimatur Liber cui Titulus The Protestant Resolved c. Marâ— 12. 1687. Guil. Needham RR. in Christo P. ac D. D. Wilhelmo Archiep Cant. a Sacr. Dom. THE Protestant Resolved OR A DISCOURSE Shewing the UNREASONABLENESS Of his Turning Roman Catholick FOR SALVATION The Second Edition LONDON Printed for William Rogers at the Sun over-against St. Dunstan's Church in Fleetstreet MDCLXXXVIII No Necessity for a Protestant to turn Roman Catholick for Salvation WE are all I hope thus far argeed That sincere Christianity is the sure Way to Salvation That to be saved we must have the Hearts and not content our selves with the bare Name and naked Profession of Christians That the Authority of God and Divine Truth and no worldly or carnal Concern must sway and govern our whole Conversation If we be not religious in good earnest resolving and endeavouring to honour God in Heart and Life according to the Holy Gospel of our Blessed Iesus it 's no matter to us what Religion we profess or to what Church we join our selves Wickedness and Hypocrisy through what Church soever our Way lieth lead assuredly to Hell. A wicked Protestant and a wicked Papist will in Hell be of the same Communion True Christianity is none other but that which was taught at first by Christ and his Apostles and all they who believe and live according to their Doctrine shall be saved Herein again we are all I suppose agreed And if so I think it very reasonable we should agree as well in that which I now add It is not material to enquire whether a Man be of the Church of Rome or of the Church of England to find whether or no he may be saved but he that would satisfy himself of the possibility of Salvation in the Way wherein he now is ought to enquire whether he believe and live according to the Doctrine taught by Christ and his Apostles seeing they who do this are good Christians what other Names soever Men may bestow upon them and all that are such shall be saved If therefore I may be able to satisfy my self that I believe and live according to the Doctrine deliver'd by Christ and his Apostles I have no reason to doubt of the Possibility of my Salvation in the Way wherein I now am tho it were so that I had never heard to this day of any such Thing as a Church headed by a Pope or Bishop of Rome And I am yet somewhat confident that a Man may believe and live according to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and never hear of a Bishop of Rome because once Men certainly did so and yet were saved The next thing therefore that I have to do is to enquire by what Means I may certainly know what was the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles for by the same Means whereby this may be known I may also know the certain Way to Salvation If there be no such Means left us we are all Fools in professing a Religion the certain Doctrine whereof can by no means be known If such Means there be there must be some certain Records safely convey'd down from their Time to ours for by what other Means we at this distance of so many hundred years should be certainly inform'd what they taught is by me unconceivable These Records then are to be diligently searched into and impartially examined and whosoever is found to believe and practise according to the Doctrine in those Records contained may be concluded to be in the Way to Salvation Such certain Records we have even the Books of the holy Evangelists and Apostles which together with the Books of the Old Testament we call the Holy Scripture In this we are all again unamimous both Papists and Protestants agree that the Doctrine in these Books contained is the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and Divine Truth Whence it certainly follows that whatsoever Doctrine is contrary to the Doctrine contained in these Books whether it it be taught by Papists or Protestants is to be rejected as none of the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles It ought not therefore to satisfy me that this or that Doctrine is taught by the Church of Rome or by the Church of England for by which of them soever it be taught if it be found contrary to the Doctrine of the holy Scripture it is by the Consent of both Churches to be rejected Now seeing we Protestants take this holy Scripture and it only for the Rule of Faith and Life it is certain that holding to this Rule we do not err either in Belief or Practice while on the other side we cannot be sure thot they do not err in both who receive another Rule till it appear that the other Rule which they receive is as true and certain as ours is acknowledged to be Our part of the Rule and that which indeed we take to be the whole being granted us all the Question is about their part of it Ours is on all hands granted to be most sure and certain their 's alone remains disputable and therefore I cannot yet see any reason why I should think their Way safer than our own except it can be safer to follow an uncertain than a certain Rule which I think no body will be so hardy as to affirm The Rule which they of the Roman Communion advance against ours is that of Tradition I am therefore next to to consider First what they understand by it And Secondly what greater reason I can find to perswade me that it is safer to trust to it whether singly or in Conjunction with our own than to our own alone which is the holy Scripture This Tradition consists of such Doctines of Faith and Practice as are supposed to have been taught either by Christ himself or being dictated by the Holy Ghost to his Apostles were delivered by them to the Church not in Writing but in Word only and so have successively been handed down from Father to Son unto the present Age. And these are all according to the Council of Trent to be received with equal affection of Piety and Reverence as the holy Scripture Now I confess if it may appear as evidently to me that Christ or his Apostles left such Doctrines to the Custody of the Church of equal necessity to the Salvation of Christians with those that are written in the Scpipture as it doth that they left us these which are written in the Scripture and if I may be well assured that these very Doctrines which the Church of Rome now holds and pretends to an Authority of imposing upon all Christendome are indeed the very same which were at first as abovesaid deliver'd to the Church I can see no reason why I should not be bound to believe the one as firmly as the other For seeing it is the Authority of the first Preachers of it and not barely the Writings of it that bind me to believe the Doctrine if I can be
as they that affirmed the Resurrection to be past already or denied that Jesus is the Christ c. are in a State of Condemnation Other Texts of Scripture he brings wherein Christians are charged to be unanimous and condemned for causing Strife and Divisions warn'd to maintain Unity and not to hearken to false Teachers and Seducers c. But I find not by all this that St. Paul or any of the Apostles taught the Church of Rome which both forbids to marry and commands to abstain from Meats allow'd of God which teacheth divers Doctrines whereof we find not any thing in the Scripture to condemn those for Hereticks that adhere wholly to the Doctrine of the Scripture or for Schismaticks who hold Communion with all Christians so far as they keep to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and divide from the Church of Rome no farther than in those Points only wherein they cannot hold her Communion and the Doctrine of Christ too I do not see but after the same rate as he here defends the Charity of his Church he might also defend her Iustice if She should pretend that because Christ commanded his Disciples to fetch him another Man's Ass and her Colt She did but what he taught in taking away other Mens Goods and giving no other reason for it but this that she hath need of them What the Papists say more to shew that we can have no Saving Faith is one of these two things Either first That it is not an entire Faith there being as they say many necessary Articles which we believe not Or Secondly That it is no right-grounded Faith seeing it is not built upon sufficient Authority that is to say on the Authority of the Catholick Church Their first Objection to the Protestant Faith is this That it is no entire Faith. And here I am told by the Representer There is no more hopes for one that denies obstinately any one Point of Catholick Faith tho he believes all the rest than there is for one that keeps Nine of the Commandments with the Breach of the Tenth Now this seems to me no great Encouragement to change the Communion of the Church of England for that of Rome if an entire Faith and an entire Obedience be but equally necessary I wish with all my Heart I could be as sure that the Church of Rome doth not break the first Commandment by her Invocation of Saints and Adoration of the Host and the second Commandment in her Adoration of Images and the Cross as I am sure that the Church of England neither obstinately denies any Article of the Catholick Faith nor countenanceth the Breach of any one of the ten Commandments as that Church seems too much to do whilst she takes no little Care that the People may not know them all We stedfastly believe the whole Scripture so far as we are able to understand it explicitly and when we do not implicitly we receive the three Creeds which have ever been thought to contain the entire Faith of a Christian wherein then is our Faith partial or defective I must consider that anon at present seeing Obstinacy according to our Adversaries is a necessary ingredient of an Heretick I can easily assure my self tho I do not see how 't is possible for me to satisfy them that I am no Heretick for I certainly know that I am very desirous to be throughly inform'd and to be brought to a right understanding of all necessary Truths and am still in a readiness and full preparation of Mind to believe any one or all of their Articles whensoever they shall please to prove the Truth of them either by Scripture or by unquestionable Apostolical Tradition I am sure therefore I deny not obstinately any one Point of Catholick Faith. But till they vouchsafe me the proof I desire I must content my self with the Scripture which is able to make wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Iesus and not in the Pope of Rome nor in the Roman Church And yet I find that it is for this especially that we are call'd Hereticks that we adhere only to the Scripture and that they often explain their meaning in bestowing that Title on us by calling us Scripturists and Gospellers and ridicule us for talking of only Scripture But when I consider that this is the Fundamental Heresy wherewith we are charged I cannot but a little wonder at it and find less cause than ever to think we can be Hereticks indeed or that they can call us so any otherwise than in jest Can they grant the Scripture to be the Word of God and the Gospel to be the Power of God unto Salvation and yet in earnest call us Hereticks for being Scripturists and Gospellers If submitting our Faith in all things to the Scripture we can be Hereticks then must the Scripture teach Heresy and cannot be the Word of God. What a Contradiction is this in Papists to call us Scripturists and Hereticks which is in effect to say That we adhere only to the Infallible Truth of God and yet are guilty of obstinate Error in the Faith What is it then wherein our Faith is defective It is in this that we do not believe all that the Church of Rome propounds to be believed This indeed would make us Papists but whether it would make us better Christians than we are already is not so certain A Papist saith the Representer is one that lives and believes what is prescribed in the Council of Trent But this Rule of the Papists Faith came into the World as we think too late almost by fifteen hundred Years to be the Rule of the Christian Faith and therefore he could not have represented his Religion to us with greater disadvantage than here he doth We cannot conceive how so small a handful of Prelats most of them Italians sworn Vassals to the Bishop of Rome assembled together at Trent fifteen hundred Years after Christ's preaching and wholly limited and directed in all their proceedings by the Will and Command of Him whose Authority was the principal thing in question and submitting all at last to Him alone should come by that immense Authority to command the Faith of the Christian World or what Commission they could shew from Christ the Supream Lawgiver to prescribe Laws of Faith and Life to all Christendom And we can as little conceive how this pretended Council could at once confirm all the General Councils and among the rest that of Ephesus before mention'd yea and declare the Nicene Creed to be the firm and only Foundation and yet contrary to the Decree of that Ephesine Council and not very consistently to it 's own Declaration decree so many more Points than that Creed contains as necessary to be believed Moreover if this be the great Oracle we must consult as our surest Guide to Heaven where must we meet with him that can give us the certain Sense of its General and Ambiguous