foresaide states in their gouernement and ministerie And if he can proue vnto me that their Churche hath neuer lacked the same appointed officers or that anie other Churche or congregation besides oures hath alwayes kept that charge and I recant Answeare TRuth it is that Christ gaue some to be Apostles some Prophetes some Euangelistes some Pastoures and teachers but where doe you reade that our Sauiour Christe euer promised all these functions to continue successiuely to the worldes end Shew vnto me anie which was called apostle or prophet after Christ his Apostles Saint Paule the blessed Apostle maketh mentioÌ of false Apostles which alwaies withstood the doctrine of the Gospell maintained the ceremonies of the Lawe and the inuentions of their owne braine and set them selues opposite vnto the true Apostles and if you will claime your succession from them I will easily agree vnto you There hath bene Preachers and teachers at all times saue onely when they haue bene kept vnder by your tyrannie which haue preached Gods truth and reproued your grosse Idolatrie whom your Church hath alwaies persecuted vnto death and euen vntill this time there hath bene and are Christians in Graecia and Asia which haue euerâââe and doe yet vtterly detest the Pope the head of your Church with all your deâââs and traditions But shewe mee in one place I pray you of the Scripture where euer Christ promised anie such succession to continue in all ages Yâ were so that the truth of Gods worde â the functions in Gods Church should âceed alwaies by ordinary succession tâ you had a good foundation to builde yâ succession vpon Then Christ our Sauiâ by right should not haue controuled â Scribes and Pharesies which satâ Moses chaire which bragged of succeâon as well as you doe saying We are the seed of AbrahaÌ we are the disciplâ of Moses vnto vs God hath made â promisses as for Christ we knowe nâ from whence he came And therefâ they asked Christ By what power he dâ such thinges who gaue him that auâthoritie and so they might very well haâ said in respect of their outward successioâ For so Annas and Caiphas were Bysâops aswell as Aaron But that warniâ and admonicion which Saint Paule gaâ vnto the congregation of Ephesus toucâing succession might satisfie you I know this saith he that after my departingeâ there shal greuous Woolues enter in amoung you not sparing the flocke moreouer of your owne selues shall mâ arise speaking peruerse thinges And againe he saith That true faith cometh not by succession but by hearing not the Bishoppe of Rome but the worde God. Yf Christ had appoynted anie such succession would he haue forewarned vs that desolation of abhomination should sit âââhe holy place and that Antichrist should ââârude him selfe into the roome of Christ If you looke well about you you haue no cause to glory in succession for that by your writers sufficient is spoken to discredit your succession for one saith That many Popes haue fallen into heresies that Hildebrand in whose time defection froÌ the faith tooke place was charged by a generall councell to be an adulterer a Churchrobber a periured person a maâqueller a sorcerer and an apostata Another calleth the Popes monsters and ãâã shapen creatures If your heade and chiefe of your Church be such what shall we iudge of the rest I wil take for proofe of your succession euen the confessioÌ of Pope âdrian the fourth Succedimus non Peâââo in pascendo sed Romulo in parriciâââo We succeede saith he not Peter in âââeding but Romulus in killing To be ââât what auaileth the succession of your Church vnlesse you coulde prooue that she hath alwayes mainteined the doctrine of Christ For Saint Augustine saith Thaâ many doo giue the outward marke of a Byshop to wolues and be wolues them selues That the truth of Gods woord maâ be the touchstone of lawfull succession giuâ eare to the godly councell of a learned father It becommeth vs saith he to obeâ those Priestes in the Church which hauâ their succession from the Apostles anâ together with the succession of their Bishoprikes according to the good wil oâ God the father haue receiued the vndoubted gift of the truth An other being pressed with the like succession saith If any of my predecessors haue not obserued and kept the same that our Lorâ hath taught vs both by his example anâ also by his commaundement his simplicitie may be pardoned but we if we doâ the like can hope for no pardon beinâ now admonished and instructed of ouâ Lord. And comparing all other Churcheâ with the primatiue âhurch the same fathâ saith If the pipes of the conduit whicâ before ran with abundance happen â faile do we not vse to search to the heaâ The Pristes of God keeping Gods commaundementes must doo the same that if the truth haue fainted or failed in any point we returne to the original of our Lord and to the tradition of the Gospel and of the Apostles that thence wee may take the discretion of our dooings from whence the order it selfe and originall first began Thus muche concerning the succession of your Church hauing no warrant by Gods woorde Papist 6. AND for the necessarie vse and execution of the foresaide offices they must further bee asked what sacraments the ProtestaÌts ministred for the space of a M. yeares together in which they confesse their congregation to haue beene neare or wholly hidde what correction or discipline they kept for offendors to whom they did preache their heresies Where did ãâã principall pastor sitte in iudgement âââre did they gather as in a councell âââye the trueth in doubtfull matters Hââe might Christian men iustelie ofâââd with some of their Bretheren haue sought out your officers or congregation to make complaint of him or how if it lacked any man to haue beene baptized of them or to haue receiued the communion of them or haue ioyned them selues in faith and religion vnto them How might I say that coâtemptible and vnknowne companie haâ beene found out in this case If therefoâ you can shewe me that euer anie man sougâ iustice or knowledge of truth sacramentâ faith or anie helpe of saluation at the Proâstants secret and close Church or anie othâ where else but of Gods knowne Catholâ Church And I recant Aunsweare 6. TOuching Sacramentes we finâ two appoynted expresly by the worâ of God namely Baptisme and the Lorâ Supper The one doeth signifie our neâ birth and regeneration that as by watâ the filthe of the body is washed cleane through faith in the bloud of Christ oâ soules are clensed from all sinne and wâ are incorporat and ingraffed into the bâ of Christ and made members of his boâ of which he is the onely head the other doâ put vs in remembraunce that Christ Iâsus is our spiritual foode and sustenaunâ that he is the celestial Manna which came downe from Heauen and
prison for that he woulde not take vpon him to be supreame heade of the Churche which Hildebrande poysoned sixe Popes was a coniurer and raised vp Diuelles and threwe the Sacrament into the fire Another saith that they were many that both priuatly and openly cursed Pope Hildebrande and said that with his hatred and ambition he troubled the worlde and that vnder the colour of Christ he wrought the feates of Antichrist This was he in whose time Sathan was let loose and when your Churche of Rome might truely be called the seate and harbour of Antichrist the man of sinne which setteth himselfe against God which sitteth in mens consciences is euen that whore which Saint Iohn speaketh of Which shoulde make the nations of the earth drunken with the cuppe of her fornication and hath imbrued her handes in the bloude of Gods Saintes Surely I muste needes say if that these Potenâates had bene but a litle whitled and âot beastly drunke they woulde neuer haue bene so deceiued by Antichriste and receiued the marke of the beast What Lorde King or Emperour woulde haue kissed the Popes foote holden his stirâope serued him at the table To coÌclude besides their wickednes in life as many of them being coniurers adulterets namelie Siluester the seconde whoe gaue him selfe bodie and soule to the Diuell that he might be Pope and Pope Ioane the woman Pope who traueled with Childe as shee was carried on foure mens shoulders about in procession their doctrine is most damnable and repugneth in all poyntes the Gospell of Christe As one saying of Agryppa speaking of the Pope and and Churche of Rome plainely sheweth They commaunde saith he the Angelles they haue power ouer the dead they vse violence against the Scriptures to haue the fulnesse of authoritie The Pope him selfe is become intollerable There was neuer Tyrant like vnto him in pompe and pride The Legates of the Byshoppe of Rome doe so riotte in their the Pope to be Antichrist as Irenaeus a godly father sheweth Antichrist saith he being a runnegate and a theefe yet hee will be woorshipped as a God And being but a bondseruant yet he will be proclaimed and published as a King. Another saith Antichrist shall faigne him selfe to bee holy that hee may deceiue men vnder the colour of holines yea he shall call him selfe God and shal cause him self to be worshipped and shall promise the kingdome of heauen An other saith Whereas he is a damned man and no spirit he pretendeth him selfe to bee a God and whatsoeuer he dooth no man may aske him Domine cur ita facis Sir why doo you so Enter now into your owne conscience examine these sayinges vprightly looke vppon them with a single eye and theÌ iudge you indifferently And I trust that you will recant according to your promise Papist 8 ITEM I aske what kinde and order of seruice or common prayer what way of ministring the Sacraments your Church had before papistrie as you cal it preuailed in the worlde shewe me one booke or coppie of communion or what else you list that was in english or lacked praying for the departed or inuocation of Saintes in heauen or that wanted oblation or sacrifice or that charged a number to receiue else the Prieste could not consecrate or say Masse receiuing alone or shewe anye note in a communion booke that people should take the sacrament for plaine breade or that they should giue no honour vnto it shewe this booke or anie Church or congregation that euer had aniââutenticall seruice but ours And I recant Answeare 8 I Shal not neede to stand long in reciting what kind of seruice was vsed before papistrie began verely euen the same which our Sauiour Christ set foorth which is recorded in the foure Euangelists and in the Epistles and writings of the Apostles from which the Apostles the congregations vnto whome they had preached the Gospell departed not one iotte And so the Apostle speaking of the institution of the Lordes Supper saith That thing which I haue receiued of the Lord the same haue I deliuered vnto you As though he should say euen he which ought onely to beare authoritie in the Church hath prescribed a way and orders of celebrating his laste Supper of whiche these are the chiefe partes That the Minister shoulde shewe the Lordes death by preaching his woorde and Gospell by calling vppon the name of the Lorde in prayer in deliuering the bread wine to bee receiued with thankesgeuing that the congregation shoulde for their partes proue and try them selues touching the knowledge of GOD fayth in the mercies of God offered in Christ and true sorrowe and lamentation for their sinnes past endeuouring them selues to leade a new life to shew forth the Lords death in consenting to his woorde and institution It is manifeste that the people to the number of three thousande soules beeing of diuerse countries and nations conuerted vnto the Gospell by Peters preaching continued for so the holie Ghoste speaketh in the Apostles doctrine and felowshippe and breaking of breade and prayers This order of seruice was vsed in all congregations from time to time amongest true Christians and remayned perfect for the space of sixe hundred yeares and odde yea vntill the same was altered by your Popish Cleargie who not being contented with that whiche Chrisâe his Apostles and the auncient Doctoures and Fathers of the Churche had sette foorth deuised a newe way of worshipping GOD a new âorder of ministration a straunge and newe â deuised forme of prayer and so turned all vpside downe But in defence of the truth we may boldely and truely answeare you that we holde and mainteine the same order of seruice the same ministration of Sacramentes the same prayer that the true Apostles and faithfull Christians vsed in all ages And whereas you aske for Bookes in Englishe which were written before Papistrie beganne in which there is no mencion made of praying for the deade of inuocation to saintes of priuate Masse It is plaine that there were sundrie godly bookes of Scripture whiche Dioclesian that wicked Emperour did burne in open markettes whose steppes your Churche of Rome hath followed euermore in suppressing the truth by suche meanes Notwithstanding God be thanked there bee manie volumes exstant writteÌ both by the auncient and godly fathers of the Church as also in the Saxon tongue in verie oldâ English of which I haue seene one veriâ lately found in a verie olde ruinons wall which forbiddeth prayers for the deade whiche teacheth vs onely to inuocate thâ name of God which maketh mention oâ no masse but of the communion in botâ kindes and to conclude doeth aduouche iâ all pointes the same Sacramentes thâ same principles of religion and the same manner of worshipping God that we doe and proueth the same by the scriptures Iâ appeareth in histories that the Bohemians made peticion vnto the councell holden aâ Basill that
hath cast away Gods holie â worshipping images and idols and goâhoring from God after her owne inâns hath rebelled against the words â Lord and despised the counsell of the â high Therefore came the iust iudgeâ of God vppon her as it did vppon the âsh church of old Where the Lord saith your iniquities are ye solde and for âr transgressions is your mother forsaken Againe Pleade with your âther pleade with her for shee is not wife neither am I her husband buâ her take away her fornications c. I make her like a wildernesse and â her for thirst and I wil haue no pitieâ on her children for they are childreâ fornication Loe this is the iudgemeâ that Romish harlot which hath her dâling in that great citie which ruleth â the Kings of the earth who hath â the kings of the earth drunken with cuppe of her fornication who is the ârie mother of whoredome and of all the hominations of the earth which is druâ with the bloud of the Saintes and with bloud of the martyrs of Christ who with tenne kings doeth fight against the Laâ But the Lambe shall ouercome them â they that be on his side the chosen â faithful for he is the king of kings and Lord of lords To him be all honour and glorie for euer â An answeare vnto the ⪠Papist which made this Offer or Challenge Papist CHrist did commit at his departing hence the testimonie of that trueth whiche he ãâã for the cââuersion of all nations to the beliefe in him ââtrââ church of God which then stoode ââpally and almost onely in the persoââ of â Apostles and of a fewe moe that by their âching and others afterwarde of their âng the Christian religion might be planââ all nations coastes and corners of the ââ Wherefore I aske the Protestant ât Church that was which conuerted all âsâ countries that nowe be Christen to the âth of Christe and let him shewe me that âer his Churche conuerted anie people or ânde in the earth from Idolatrie or Gentiââ or Iudaisme to the true religion of Christ or that this his faith was taught to anie nations in steede of true Christianitie or anie other Churche but the knowne Catholike Church to haue done this And I recant Answeare TRue it is that Christ did commit the preaching of the Gospell vnto the Apostles and vnto a few moe and gaue them this commaundemeÌt That they should go vnto all the world and preach the same Gospel vnto al nations who very painfully executed their office conuerted manie of sundrie countries to the truth Neuerthelesse suche was the rage of the wicked Emperoures Tyrantes of that time that the doctrine of the Gospel was not vniuersally receiued nor generally taught as it appeareth at large by the historie of the Acts of the Apostles as by the assembling of the Apostles in corners by their preaching in the night season in priuat houses Yet we confes that the voice of the Apostles was sounded abroad to al the world so that as Tertullian saith the Parthians the Medians the Elamites the people of Mesopotamia of Armenia c and many other nations and prouinces known vnknowen haue receiued the Gospel of Christ Saint Paule tooke comfort and reioyced in his imprisoment for that there were some euen in Neros court that beganne to geue eare to the Gospell Of the same matter writeth Eusebius that the court of Valerian the Emperour was now become the church of god so he saieth because that some of his familie beleued the truth albeit the Emperour himself was a tyrant Euen in that sense it might haue bene truelie saide that the churche of God was in king Achab his house when wicked Iezabel his wife did most of all persecute Goddes children and when Elias complained that he onelie was left aliue seeing that Obadiah gouernour of Achabs house feared God and fed an hundred Prophetes with the meate whiche came from Iezabels table But for breâities sake I will answeare to youre queâion which seemeth to consist on these two âointes First What Church it was which âonuerted all countries that nowe be Chriâten to the faith of Christe Secondarilie whether the religion or faith of the Protestantes was euer taught to anie nations in steede of true Christianitie Whosoeuer shall diligently peruse the ecclesiasticall histories or the bookes of the auncient Fathers of the churche they shall easily perceaue with what difficultie Christianitie was embraced sith that the name of Christ was so odious to the Emperour of Rome whose Empire was exceeding large thaâ whosoeuer professed himselfe to be a Christian was tormented moste cruelly vnto death So that it cannot bee proued that manie nations or countries were wholly christened or receiued the gospel of Christ but in secrete manner vntill the time of Constantine the great which was three hundred yeares after Christ or thereabout For before that time whosoeuer sincerelie preached the Gospell hee was forthwith accused of sedicion of preaching heresie and of new strange doctrine They were charged commonly by the Heathen to bee adulterers against kinde Manquellers Killers of children Churchrobbers most wicked most hurtful the enimies of mankinde guiltie of all kinde of wickednesse Enimies against the Goddes against the Emperoures against the lawes against good order against nature it selfe whatsoeuer mischiefe happened the Ethnikes ãâã impute it alwayes to the Christians The citie of Athens which had beene the âââtaine of all knowledge was become the sinke of most horrible idolatrie Where Pâule preaching Christ the Philosophers âââe Epicures and Stoikes resisted him ãâã saide what will this babler say ⪠Others said he semeth to be a setter forth of strange Gods Others saide may we nât know what this new doctrine wherââ thou spekest is in such rage the Ethniks and Infidels continued against the Christians vntill God of his mercie raised vp that worthie Emperour Constantine who aduaunced mightely the Gospell suppresâââ the enimies thereof and gaue the truth free passage throughout his dominion and âmpire In his time all nations were called from Idolatrie Gentilitie and Iudaisme so continued manie hundred yeares vntill the Diuel was let loose and superstiâon inuaded the churche so that albeit âe name of Christianitie remained afterâarde vnder the Popes gouernement yet Christes religion was abolished and abanâoned It is faith in Iesus Christe and âhe profession of true religion whiche maketh a Christian and not the outward name and therefore suche as were falle away from Christ his Gospell vnto the inuentions of man or suche as were coÌuerte onelie in name not being instructed in trâ doctrine were no more Christians then the shadowe of a man is a man orâ picture the thing which it doth represenâ so that it was Nomen sinere Christian iâ name and not in deede By the Turke aâ so both the name and profession of a Christian was altogether vanquished Thuâ much for
of God and your vnitie to agree âith Christs veritie and Gospell But is ât this rather truely verified of your sucâssion which was vttered by Pope AâriaÌ Succedimus non Petro in pasceÌdo âd Romulo in parricidio We succeade âaith hee not Peter in feeding but Roâulus in murdering Succession of place âuaileth not one strawe if you cannot in âke maner proue the succession of Christ âs true doctrine The idolatrous priestes â al ages might verie wel haue boasted of âccession of place And so might the Phaâsees which bragged somuch of their temâle and of their succession euen from Moâes and yet they were fouly fallen awaye âroÌ the sincere pure Law of God worâhipped god in vain teaching the precepts ând doctrine of men You claime your sucâession from Peter the blessed Apostle of Christ for that as you saie he was Bishope of Rome If nowe you can proue that your religioÌ is the same that Peter taught written by the spirit of truth for the comfort of the true Church of God conteined in the newe testament of Christ Then not onely I but all which defende the same truth with me will willingly ioyne handes with you But and if you can not proue your doctrine by gods worde you must theÌ pardoÌ vs in that we wil not take your part against Christ I woulde to God that you woulde vnfainedlie sect forthe to the vse of gods people that religion which the Apostle Paule I will not say Peter for that there is no warraÌt in the scriptures for his beinge at anie time in Rome planted amongst the Romanes Which faith true religion the Apostle commendeth in theÌ âª Then surely we woulde not onely goe but ruÌne with you to the building of gods temple and woulde lay to our handes and our harts To this effect spaketh S. Ciprian that alwaies wee builde our faith succession and whole religion vpon a sure stedfast foundation If saith he The pipes of the cundit which before ran with aboundaunce happen to faile doe wee not serche to the heade c ⪠The priests of God ⪠âââing gods commaundements must doe the same that if the truthe haue fainted or failed in any point we turne to the very originall of our Lord and to the traditions of the Gospell and of the Apostles that from thence the reason of our actions or doings may arise from whence the order it selfe and originall first began Thus wee may say of your vnitie in faith your vniformiâie in ceremonies your holy functions If you can proue confirme these thinges by manifest places of the holy scriptures for my parte I will recant ând be of your religion But though you âr an Angel would perswade me to the coÌtrarie without the testimonie of Gods worde God assisting me with his spirit I will not beleue you I marueile why you will seeme to mainteine these matters seâng it is most repugnanc to the truth The âeade Capitaines of your religion and Doctours of your Church do not agree in âhe vnitie of your religion but do disâent in the principle pointes thereof Some âaye That Christes naturall body euen âhe same which was borne of the virâin Marie is receiued in the Sacrament âome denye saying that so soone as the forme of the bread is grated with the teethe straight way the body of Christ is caught vp into Heauen One sayth That a mouse may eate the body of Christ an other sayth That a mouse can not eate it and to dissolue these questions the cheefe piller of your church euen Petrus Lombardus saith What the mouse doth take or what she eateth God knoweth I can not tell And noting further the disagrement of your church men he saith Some men iudge thus some say thus some haue written thus some graunt thus some others haue taught thus that the verie substance of the bread wine remaine still And if a question saith he were moued what maner of conuersion or chaunge this is whether in forme or in substaunce or in some other manner I am not able to discusse An other saith How the body of Christ is there whether it bee by chaunging of something into it or Christes body beginne to bee there together with the bread both the substance and the accidents of the bread remaining still without chaunging it is not founde exprest in the canon of the Bible Innocentius the thirde Pope of that name sayth that there were some which sayde that as after consecration there remayned the very accidentes or formes of âreade so likewise the verie substance of the same breade remaineth still Marke howe the pleasâânt and swete âarmonie and concordaunce of your âhurch of Rome doeth agree and hange âogether as coÌcerning these weightie cauâs I thinke you iudge this transubstanâation a matter of faith You may see âen howe you agree or rather disagree â the vnitie of faith Concerning your âiformitie in your so manie superstitious âuiteles and tedious Ceremonies and âaditions of your owne inuentions it âay easily be veiwed and seene by the maâfold sectes of your religious stoare and âble of your heremites your Ankers âd Ancresses your recluses your holy âonkes of Benettes order of Cluniacenâs order of Lazarits order of Saint âieronimus order of Saint Gregories âder the order of the shadowed valley of âsaphattes order of the Humiliats orâr of the Celestines order of Gilberânes order of Iustinians order of the Charter house Monks of the Templaries order of the Iacobites order the Monks of Mount Oliuete Maries bretheren the order of the Flagellatours the Starred Monkes some white some black some graie some maled so called for thaâ they did weare male cotes next their skin the order of Iesuites and a greate company of orders besides these Of Friers somâ were called crosse bearers some Carmelitâ or white Friers some Minorities or greâ Friers some obseruant Friers some Mendicant or begging Friers some Dominicke some Franciscans so called of Sainâ Frances whose coule as Thomas Aquine faith had power to remoue sinne I omitte your Channons your Virgiâ Nunnes of all sortes but such as had nâ oyle in their Lampes your Nominals your reals I might make a long discourse here in describinge the varietie of this religions crue and companie not only in ceremoniall matters but also in matters of faith and doctrine But I trust all the world doth knowe howe they haue bene bewitched with such kind of sorceries and therefore I should but wast labour and lose time You aske further Whether wee bee bounde to obey your Church of Rome and none other in all controuesies and doubtes raised by the difficultie of the Scriptures or by the vaine contention of heresies Hereby you seeme to chalenge two thinges not onely a prerogatiue or preheminence aboue all other churches but also the interpretation of the scriptures solely and wholy to appertaine vnto you But I pray you tell me from whence you had this
being eighteene monethes together at Corinthe afterwardes writeth this Epistle vnto the Romanes in the which Epistle he saluteth Priscilla and Aquilla and the rest of the Congregation being then in their priuate houses and also saluted many other by name and maketh no mention at all of Peter therin Who if he had bene there as you say that he was he shoulde no doubt haue receiued salutations as well as the rest of the faithfull There fell some contention betwixt Paule and Barnabas at Antioche so that Paule tooke Siluanus otherwise called Sylas with him into all cities where they had preached the woord of the Lorde Peter departed from Antioche where he had remained seuen yeares together into Assyria yet further from Rome Ye writeth an Epistle vnto the dispersed Iewes and sendeth the same by Siluanus sending salutations therin from the Church at Babylon a famous citie in Assyria where Peter was then the Apostle of the Circumcision But it may be that you will say that I mistake this place because some writers doe interpret this Babylon to be Rome and in deede it is the onely place wherevpon you do ground Peters being at Rome But this doeth not sound with reason neither is it likely that a man shoulde vse the name of one cittie when he subscribeth his letter being written at an other citie or to vse any Metamorphosis in naming the citie as though he were either ashamed of the place or else that he would not haue had it knowne where he had his aboade so he might better haue altogether omitted it and not to haue named Babylon at all But if you will nedes haue Babylon to signify Rome in this place sithe it agreeth neither with sense reason nor truth then I besech you let Rome bee that Babylon of which the Eâangelist speaketh Which is the whore that hath made all nations to drinke of âhe wine of the wrath of her fornicatioÌ Forasmuch as the sinnes vices which âeined in Babylon are founde in Rome â great aboundaunce as persecution of the ârue Church of God oppression and destruction of Gods people confusion superâition idolatry and all kind of impietie âickednesse But to my purpose Christ commaunded Peter and the other Apostles of which they had their name to goe ânto all the world and to preache the Gosâell to all nations and said that they should âe his witnesses both in Hierusalem and ân all Iudaea and in Samaria and vnto the âttermost part of the earth By which it âppeareth that if he had bene a resting Bishoppe and tied vnto the seat of Rome fiue and twentie yeares as you âontruly affirme he had broken his maiâters commaundement and had answered neither to his name nor office It may be that you will alledge the Histories against me for the proofe of Peters Bishoprike but I may truly answere you that forsomuch as the Histories doe imitate and followe one an others opinion and in that the same were committed to printe verie lately in respect and in such a time as no books might be printed but suche as the Pope and his cleargy would ratify and allowe howe may it then seme straunge albeit the truth of this matter agreeing with the scriptures were concealed ⪠For if they woulde haue suffered the truth of this cause to haue bene opened it woulde haue dashed altogether your Popes succession and authoritie But to conclude you say that Peter was Bishop of Rome at such time as Paule was first committed there vnto prison which was two and thirtie yeares after his conuersion but howe vntruly let euery simple man iudge For Paule complaineth that at his comminge vnto Rome when he was first called vnto his aunsweare No man assisted him but all forsooke him No doubte if Peter had bene the Bishop of Rome he would not haue forsak his fellow âaule Moreouer he exhorteth Timothy to âome vnto him shewing that Demas âad forsaken him and had embraced âis present worlde and was departed ânto Thessalonica That Crescens was âone vnto Galatia Titus vnto Dalmaâa he addeth this clause saying Only âuke is with mee If Peter had beene âen in Rome Paule woulde not haue âed these woordes Only Luke is with âee For neither feare of imprisoment âeither present death would haue kept âacke Peter from Paules company ând if Peter had bene in like authoriâe as you affirme his successours the Pope nowe to bee in hauing the neckes âf all Emperours Kinges and Prinâes vnder his girdle he woulde surely âaue deuised either some meanes whereây Paule might haue bene deliuered âom that filthy prison or else woulde âaue obteined nay graunted him a parâon for his life So that this can not be âidden or cloaked but that either you âust deny the Popes aâcthoritie and âpremacie in that time or else plainâ and freely graunt and confesse that Peter was not then Bishoppe of Rome as you may I warrant you without any damage or hurt to your soule agree vnto both Thus much touching the prerogatiue of your Church Now you say Thaâ the scriptures be difficult and hard and therefore your church of Rome must haue the interpretation thereof I haue shewed heretofore that the Scriptures â God be not hard but very playne and easie That they are an vndefiled law which conuerteth the soule and giueth wiâdome to the simple They bee a candle to our feete and a light to our steppes The ophilact saith That nothing can deceiuâ those which do search Gods scriptures for that they are the candle whereby thâ theefe is taken An other auncient Doâtour saith That all thinges are cleare and plaine in Gods Scriptures whatsoeueâ thinges are necessarie the same be manifest Clemens Alexandrinus a grauâ wise man in an oration that he made to the Gentils saith Harken ye that befarre of giue eare ye that bee neare the woord of God is hidden from none it is a common light it doth lighten all men there is no darknesse at all in the world Yet this commeth into question whether the interpretation of the scriptures do depend vppon the Churche of Rome or no. Pigghius one of your owne doctors saith That the scriptures as a man both truly and merely saith are like a nose of waxe that easely suffereth it selfe to be drawen backewarde and forward and to be framed and fashioned this waye and that way and how soeuer you list An other faith of your Church of Rome Although they tell thee that thy ryght hand is thy lefte hand or that thy left hande is thy right hand yet such a sentence must bee holden for good Thus you make the woord of God which is easily and playne to the vnderstanding of the simple and a âertaine rule to direct the true Christian âut a dumble schoolmaster and deade letter and that you must set the holy spirit of God âo schoole as though he had set downe the Scriptures in a defuse and hard