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A17371 Maschil, or, A treatise to giue instruction touching the state of the Church of Rome since the Councell of Trent, whether shee be yet a true Christian church. And if she have denied the foundation of our faith. For the vindication of the right reuerend father in God, the L. Bishop of Exeter, from the cavills of H.B. in his book intituled The seven vialls. By Robert Butterfield Master of Arts, and minister of Gods Word. Butterfield, Robert. 1629 (1629) STC 4205; ESTC S120372 51,626 162

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