then_o a._n c._n tell_v we_o that_o particular_a church_n must_v in_o 58._o a._n c._n p._n 58._o that_o case_n as_o irenaeus_n intimate_v have_v recourse_n to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o have_v more_o powerful_a principality_n and_o to_o case_n to_o and_o after_o he_o say_v p._n 58._o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v the_o judge_n of_o particular_a church_n in_o this_o case_n her_o bishop_n who_o be_v chief_a pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o be_v s._n peter_n successor_n to_o who_o christ_n promise_v the_o key_n s._n matth._n 16._o for_o who_o he_o pray_v that_o his_o faith_n may_v not_o fail_v s._n luke_n 22._o and_o who_o he_o charge_v to_o seed_n and_o govern_v the_o whole_a flock_n s_o john_n 21._o and_o this_o a._n c._n tell_v we_o he_o shall_v never_o refuse_v to_o do_v in_o such_o sort_n as_o that_o this_o neglect_n shall_v be_v a_o just_a cause_n for_o any_o particular_a man_n or_o church_n under_o pretence_n of_o reformation_n in_o manner_n or_o faith_n to_o make_v a_o schism_n or_o separation_n from_o the_o whole_a general_n church_n well_o first_o you_o see_v where_o a._n c._n will_v have_v we_o if_o any_o particular_a church_n differ_v in_o point_n of_o divine_a truth_n they_o must_v not_o judge_n or_o condemn_v each_o other_o say_v he_o no_o take_v heed_n of_o that_o in_o any_o case_n that_o be_v the_o office_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o yet_o he_o will_v have_v it_o that_o rome_n which_o be_v but_o a_o particular_a church_n must_v and_o ought_v judge_v all_o other_o particular_n second_o he_o tell_v we_o this_o be_v so_o because_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v more_o powerful_a principality_n than_o other_o particular_a church_n and_o that_o her_o bishop_n be_v pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v most_o true_a indeed_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v have_v and_o have_v yet_o more_o powerful_a principality_n than_o any_o other_o particular_a church_n but_o she_o have_v not_o this_o power_n from_o christ._n the_o roman_a patriarch_n by_o ecclesiastical_a constitution_n may_v perhaps_o have_v a_o primacy_n of_o order_n but_o for_o principality_n of_o power_n the_o patriarch_n be_v as_o even_o as_o equal_a as_o the_o praelato_fw-la the_o summa_fw-la potestas_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la data_fw-la solum_fw-la petro_n sedetiam_fw-la aliis_fw-la apostolis_n omnes_fw-la enim_fw-la poterant_fw-la dicere_fw-la illud_fw-la s._n pauli_n solicitu_fw-la la_fw-fr omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la etc._n etc._n 2._o cor._n 11._o 28._o bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 9_o §._o respondâ—…_n pontificatum_fw-la where_o then_o be_v the_o difference_n between_o s._n peter_n and_o the_o rest_n in_o this_o say_v bellarmin_n ibid._n quta_fw-la hec_fw-la potestas_fw-la data_fw-la est_fw-la petro_n ut_fw-la ordinario_fw-la pastori_fw-la cvi_fw-la perpetuo_fw-la succederetur_fw-la aliis_fw-la verò_fw-la tanquà m_fw-la 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they_o the_o truth_n be_v this_o more_o powerful_a principality_n the_o roman_a bishop_n 12._o bishop_n §._o 25._o nu._n 12._o get_v under_o the_o emperor_n after_o they_o become_v christian_a and_o they_o use_v the_o matter_n so_o that_o they_o grow_v big_a enough_o to_o oppose_v nay_o to_o depose_v the_o emperor_n by_o the_o same_o power_n which_o they_o have_v give_v they_o and_o after_o this_o other_o particular_a church_n especial_o here_o in_o the_o west_n submit_v themselves_o to_o they_o for_o succour_n and_o protection_n sake_n and_o this_o be_v one_o main_a cause_n which_o swell_v rome_n into_o this_o more_o powerful_a principality_n and_o not_o any_o right_o give_v by_o christ_n to_o make_v that_o epistola_fw-la that_o lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 9_o §._o augustmu_n epistola_fw-la prelate_n pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n i_o know_v bellarmine_n make_v much_o ado_n about_o it_o and_o will_v needs_o fetch_v it_o out_o of_o principatas_fw-la of_o s._n aug._n epist._n 162._o in_o romaná_n ecclesiâ—…_n emper_fw-la apostolicae_fw-la cathedrae_fw-la viguit_fw-la principatas_fw-la s._n augustine_n who_o say_v indeed_o that_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n there_o do_v always_o flourish_v the_o principality_n of_o a_o apostolic_a chair_n or_o if_o you_o will_v the_o apostolic_a chair_n in_o relation_n to_o the_o west_n and_o south_n part_n of_o the_o church_n all_o the_o other_o four_o apostolic_a chair_n be_v in_o the_o east_n now_o this_o no_o man_n deny_v that_o understand_v the_o state_n and_o story_n of_o the_o church_n and_o 16._o and_o quia_fw-la opinio_fw-la invaluit_fw-la fundâ—…tam_fw-la esse_fw-la hanc_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la à _fw-la s._n petâ—…_n jtaque_fw-la in_o occidente_fw-la sedes_fw-la apostolica_fw-la honoris_fw-la 〈◊〉_d calv._n l._n 4._o c._n 6._o §._o 16._o calvin_n confess_v it_o express_o nor_o be_v the_o word_n principatus_fw-la so_o great_a nor_o be_v the_o bishop_n of_o those_o time_n so_o little_a as_o that_o 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constantinople_n and_o the_o second_o general_n greek_a and_o the_o latin_a father_n of_o this_o great_a and_o learnede_a age_n of_o the_o church_n make_v up_o of_o the_o four_o and_o fist_v hundred_o year_n always_o understand_v principatus_fw-la of_o their_o spiritual_a power_n and_o within_o the_o limit_n of_o their_o several_a jurisdiction_n which_o perhaps_o now_o and_o then_o they_o do_v occasional_o exceed_v and_o there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n in_o s._n augustine_n that_o this_o principality_n of_o the_o apostolic_a chair_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v then_o or_o aught_o to_o be_v now_o exercise_v over_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ_n as_o bellarmine_n insinuate_v there_o and_z as_o a._n c._n will_v have_v it_o here_o and_o to_o prove_v that_o s_n augustine_n do_v not_o intend_v by_o principatus_fw-la here_o to_o give_v the_o roman_a bishop_n any_o power_n out_o of_o his_o own_o limit_n which_o god_n know_v be_v far_o short_a of_o the_o whole_a church_n i_o shall_v make_v it_o most_o manifest_a out_o of_o the_o very_a same_o epistle_n for_o afterward_o say_v s._n augustine_n when_o the_o pertinacy_n of_o the_o donatist_n can_v not_o be_v restrain_v by_o the_o african_a bishop_n only_o 162._o only_o pergant_fw-la ad_fw-la fratres_n &_o collegas_fw-la nostros_fw-la transmarinarum_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la episcopos_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n ep_v 162._o they_o give_v they_o leave_v to_o be_v hear_v by_o foreign_a bishop_n and_o after_o that_o he_o have_v these_o word_n ibid._n word_n an_fw-mi fortè_fw-la non_fw-la debuit_fw-la romanae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la melciades_n episcopus_fw-la cum_fw-la collegis_fw-la transmarinis_fw-la episcopis_fw-la illud_fw-la sibi_fw-la usurpare_fw-la judicium_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la afris_fw-fr septuaginta_fw-la ubi_fw-la primus_fw-la tigisitanus_n praesedit_fw-la fuerit_fw-la terminaetum_fw-la quid_fw-la quod_fw-la nec_fw-la ipse_fw-la usurpâ—…vit_fw-la rogatus_n quip_n imperator_n judices_fw-la misit_fw-la episcopos_fw-la qui_fw-la cum_fw-la â—…o_fw-la sederent_fw-la &_o de_fw-fr totâ_fw-la illâ_fw-la causà _fw-la quod_fw-la justum_fw-la videretur_fw-la statuerent_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n ibid._n and_o yet_o peradventure_o melciades_n the_o bishop_n of_o
no_o where_o so_o steady_o place_v in_o this_o world_n but_o it_o will_v be_v in_o some_o danger_n and_o man_n that_o care_v neither_o for_o the_o hive_n nor_o the_o bee_n have_v yet_o a_o great_a mind_n to_o the_o honey_n and_o have_v once_o taste_v the_o sweet_a of_o the_o church_n maintenance_n swallow_v that_o for_o honey_n which_o one_o day_n will_v be_v more_o bitter_a than_o gall_n in_o their_o bowel_n now_o the_o king_n and_o the_o priest_n more_o than_o any_o other_o be_v bind_v to_o look_v to_o the_o integrity_n of_o the_o church_n in_o doctrine_n and_o manner_n and_o that_o in_o the_o first_o place_n for_o that_o be_v by_o far_o the_o best_a honey_n in_o the_o hive_n but_o in_o the_o second_o place_n they_o must_v be_v careful_a of_o the_o church_n maintenance_n too_o else_o the_o bee_n shall_v make_v honey_n for_o other_o and_o have_v none_o leave_v for_o their_o own_o necessary_a sustenance_n and_o then_o all_o be_v lose_v for_o we_o see_v it_o in_o daily_a and_o common_a 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he_o like_o waspes_n or_o like_a hornet_n rather_o all_o sting_n and_o no_o honey_n there_o and_o all_o this_o many_o time_n for_o no_o offence_n nay_o sometime_o for_o service_n do_v they_o will_v they_o see_v it_o but_o you_o know_v who_o say_v behold_v i_o come_v short_o and_o my_o reward_n be_v with_o i_o to_o give_v to_o every_o man_n according_a as_o his_o work_n shall_v be_v revel_v 22._o and_o he_o himself_o be_v so_o 12._o revel_v 22._o 12._o 〈◊〉_d 12._o gen_n 〈◊〉_d exceed_v great_a a_o reward_n as_o that_o the_o manifold_a sting_n which_o be_v in_o the_o world_n howsoever_o they_o smart_v here_o be_v nothing_o when_o they_o be_v press_v out_o with_o that_o exceed_a weight_n of_o glory_n which_o shall_v be_v reveal_v rom._n 8._o 18._o rom._n 8._o 18._o now_o one_o thing_n more_o let_v i_o be_v bold_a to_o observe_v to_o your_o majesty_n in_o particular_a concern_v your_o great_a charge_n the_o church_n of_o england_n it_o be_v in_o a_o hard_a condition_n she_o profess_v the_o ancient_a catholic_a faith_n and_o yet_o the_o romanist_n condemn_v she_o of_o novelty_n in_o her_o doctrine_n she_o practise_v church_n government_n as_o it_o have_v be_v in_o use_n in_o all_o age_n and_o all_o place_n where_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n have_v take_v any_o root_n both_o in_o and_o ever_o since_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o yet_o the_o separatist_n condemn_v she_o for_o antichristianisme_n in_o her_o discipline_n the_o plain_a truth_n be_v she_o be_v between_o these_o two_o faction_n as_o between_o two_o millstone_n and_o unless_o your_o majesty_n look_v to_o it_o to_o who_o trust_n she_o be_v commit_v she_o will_v be_v ground_n to_o powder_n to_o a_o irreparable_a both_o dishonour_n and_o loss_n to_o this_o kingdom_n and_o it_o be_v very_o remarkable_a that_o while_o both_o these_o press_v hard_a upon_o the_o church_n of_o england_n both_o of_o they_o cry_v out_o upon_o persecution_n like_o froward_a child_n which_o scratch_n and_o kick_v and_o bite_v and_o yet_o 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betwixt_o a_o church_n miserable_o corrupt_v and_o happy_o purge_v etc._n etc._n jos._n hall_n b._n of_o exon._n in_o his_o apologetical_a advertisement_n to_o the_o reader_n p._n 192._o approve_a by_o tho._n morton_n b._n then_o of_o cou._n &_o lich._n now_o of_o 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o letter_n print_v by_o the_o b._n of_o exeter_n in_o his_o treatise_n call_v the_o reconciler_n p._n 68_o and_o d._n field_n in_o his_o appen_n to_o the_o three_o part_n c._n 2._o where_o he_o cite_v calv._n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n l._n 4._o inst._n c._n 2._o §._o 11._o one_o and_o the_o same_o church_n still_o no_o doubt_n of_o that_o one_o in_o substance_n but_o not_o one_o in_o condition_n of_o state_n and_o purity_n their_o part_n of_o the_o same_o church_n remain_v in_o corruption_n and_o our_o part_n of_o the_o same_o church_n under_o reformation_n the_o same_o naaman_n and_o he_o a_o syrian_a still_o but_o leprous_a with_o they_o and_o cleanse_v with_o we_o the_o same_o man_n still_o and_o for_o 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the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v thrust_v they_o from_o she_o by_o excommunication_n yet_o they_o have_v first_o divide_v themselves_o by_o obstinate_a hold_v and_o teach_v opinion_n contrary_a to_o the_o roman_a faith_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n which_o to_o do_v s._n bernard_n think_v be_v pride_n and_o s._n augustine_n madness_n so_o then_o in_o his_o opinion_n first_o excommunication_n on_o their_o part_n be_v not_o the_o prime_a cause_n of_o this_o division_n but_o the_o hold_n and_o teach_v of_o contrary_a opinion_n why_o but_o then_o in_o my_o opinion_n that_o hold_v and_o teach_v be_v not_o the_o prime_a cause_n neither_o but_o the_o corruption_n and_o superstition_n of_o rome_n which_o force_v many_o man_n to_o hold_v and_o teach_v the_o contrary_n so_o the_o prime_a cause_n be_v they_o still_o second_o a._n c_o s._n word_n be_v very_o considerable_a for_o he_o charge_v the_o protestant_n to_o be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o schism_n for_o obstinate_a hold_v and_o 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quod_fw-la credatur_fw-la inesse_fw-la aliqua_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la divinitas_fw-la &_o veluti_fw-la olim_fw-la fiebat_fw-la à _fw-la gentibuâ—…_n conc._n trid._n sess._n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocat_n council_n of_o trent_n itself_o confess_v that_o to_o believe_v there_o be_v any_o divinity_n in_o image_n be_v to_o do_v as_o the_o gentile_n do_v by_o their_o idol_n and_o though_o in_o some_o word_n afterthe_a father_n of_o that_o council_n seem_v very_o religious_o careful_a that_o all_o ibid._n all_o et_fw-la rudibus_fw-la periculosi_fw-la erroris_fw-la occasionem_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n occasion_n of_o dangerous_a error_n be_v prevent_v yet_o the_o doctrine_n itself_o be_v so_o full_a of_o danger_n that_o it_o work_v strong_o both_o upon_o the_o learned_a and_o unlearned_a to_o the_o scandal_n of_o religion_n and_o the_o pervert_n of_o truth_n for_o the_o unlearned_a first_o how_o it_o work_v upon_o they_o by_o whole_a country_n together_o you_o may_v see_v by_o what_o 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church_n that_o make_v he_o a_o christian._n for_o salvation_n may_v be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o yet_o they_o not_o find_v it_o that_o make_v sure_a of_o it_o here_o a._n c._n be_v as_o confident_a as_o 64._o a._n c._n p._n 64._o the_o jesuite_n himself_o that_o i_o say_v express_o that_o the_o lady_n may_v be_v save_v in_o the_o roman_a faith_n true_o it_o be_v too_o long_a since_o now_o for_o i_o to_o speak_v any_o more_o than_o i_o have_v already_o upon_o my_o memory_n but_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a of_o that_o whatsoever_o i_o say_v of_o she_o be_v it_o never_o so_o particular_a yet_o be_v it_o under_o the_o condition_n before_o express_v f._n i_o bid_v she_o mark_v that_o b._n this_o answer_n i_o be_o sure_a trouble_v not_o §_o 35_o you_o but_o it_o seem_v you_o will_v fain_o have_v it_o lay_v a_o load_n of_o envy_n upon_o i_o that_o you_o profess_v you_o bad_a the_o lady_n so_o careful_o mark_v that_o well_o you_o bid_v her_o mark_n that_o for_o what_o for_o some_o 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be_v necessary_a after_o baptism_n formal_o give_v by_o the_o church_n so_o this_o proposition_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o salvation_n it_o be_v safe_a for_o a_o man_n to_o take_v that_o way_n which_o the_o differ_a party_n agree_v in_o or_o which_o the_o adversary_n confess_v be_v you_o see_v both_o true_a and_o false_a as_o man_n have_v cunning_a to_o apply_v it_o and_o as_o the_o matter_n be_v about_o which_o it_o be_v conversant_a and_o be_v therefore_o no_o proposition_n able_a or_o fit_a to_o settle_v a_o conclusion_n in_o any_o sober_a man_n mind_n till_o the_o matter_n contain_v under_o it_o be_v well_o scan_v and_o examine_v and_o yet_o as_o much_o use_n as_o you_o will_v make_v of_o this_o proposition_n to_o amaze_v the_o weak_a yourselves_o dare_v not_o stand_v to_o it_o no_o not_o where_o the_o matter_n be_v undeniable_o true_a as_o shall_v appear_v in_o divers_a particular_n beside_o this_o of_o the_o eucharist_n but_o before_o i_o add_v any_o other_o particular_a 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small_a one_o well_o a._n c._n go_v on_o and_o give_v his_o reason_n why_o these_o two_o instance_n be_v nothing_o like_o the_o present_a case_n 65._o a._n c._n p._n 65._o for_o in_o these_o case_n say_v he_o there_o be_v annex_v other_o reason_n of_o certain_o know_v peril_n of_o damnable_a schism_n and_o heresy_n which_o we_o shall_v incur_v by_o consent_v to_o the_o donatist_n denial_n of_o true_a baptism_n among_o catholic_n and_o to_o the_o protestant_n denial_n or_o doubt_v of_o the_o true_a substantial_a presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o eucharist_n but_o in_o this_o case_n of_o resolve_v to_o live_v and_o die_v in_o the_o catholic_a roman_a church_n there_o be_v confess_o no_v such_o peril_n of_o any_o damnable_a heresy_n or_o schism_n or_o any_o other_o sin_n here_o i_o have_v many_o particular_n to_o observe_v upon_o a._n c._n and_o you_o shall_v have_v they_o as_o brief_o as_o i_o can_v set_v they_o down_o and_o first_o i_o take_v a._n c._n at_o his_o word_n that_o in_o 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accidental_o and_o from_o without_o whereas_o they_o be_v not_o annex_v or_o pin_v on_o but_o flow_v natural_o out_o of_o the_o proposition_n itself_o for_o the_o proposition_n will_v seem_v to_o be_v metaphysical_a and_o be_v applyable_a indifferent_o to_o any_o common_a belief_n of_o dissent_v party_n be_v the_o point_n in_o difference_n what_o it_o will_n therefore_o if_o there_o be_v any_o thing_n heretical_a schismatical_a or_o any_o way_n evil_a in_o the_o point_n this_o proposition_n be_v neither_o universal_o nor_o necessary_o true_a must_v needs_o cast_v he_o that_o rely_v upon_o it_o upon_o all_o these_o rock_n of_o heresy_n schism_n or_o what_o ever_o else_o follow_v the_o matter_n of_o the_o proposition_n three_o a._n c._n do_v extreme_o ill_a to_o join_v these_o case_n of_o the_o donatist_n for_o baptism_n and_o the_o protestant_n for_o 66._o punct_a 3._o a._n c._n p._n 66._o the_o eucharist_n together_o as_o he_o do_v for_o this_o proposition_n in_o the_o first_o concern_v the_o donatist_n lead_v a_o man_n as_o be_v confess_v by_o himself_o into_o know_v and_o damnable_a schism_n and_o heresy_n but_o by_o a._n c_o s._n good_a leave_n the_o late_a concern_v the_o protestant_n and_o the_o eucharist_n nothing_o so_o for_o i_o hope_v a._n c._n dare_v not_o say_v that_o to_o believe_v the_o true_a 11._o true_a caterùm_fw-la his_fw-la absurditatibus_fw-la sublatis_fw-la quicquid_fw-la ad_fw-la exprimendam_fw-la veram_fw-la substantialemque_fw-la corporis_fw-la ac_fw-la sanguinis_fw-la domini_fw-la communicationem_fw-la qua_fw-la sub_fw-la sacris_fw-la coenae_fw-la symbolis_fw-la fidelibus_fw-la exhibetur_fw-la facere_fw-la potest_fw-la libeuter_n recipio_fw-la calvin_n l_o 4._o inst._n c._n 17._o §._o 19_o in_o coenae_fw-la mysterio_fw-la per_fw-la symbola_fw-la panis_n &_o vini_n christus_fw-la verè_fw-la nobis_fw-la exhibetur_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la nos_fw-la participes_fw-la substantiae_fw-la ejus_fw-la facti_fw-la sumus_fw-la ibid._n §._o 11._o substantial_a presence_n of_o christ_n be_v either_o know_v or_o damnable_a schism_n or_o heresy_n now_o as_o many_o and_o as_o learned_a 3_o learned_a §._o 35._o n_o 3_o protestant_n believe_v and_o maintain_v this_o as_o do_v believe_v possibility_n of_o salvation_n as_o before_o be_v limit_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n therefore_o they_o in_o that_o not_o guilty_a of_o either_o know_v or_o damnable_a schism_n or_o heresy_n though_o the_o donatist_n be_v of_o both_o four_o whereas_o he_o impose_v upon_o the_o protestant_n the_o denial_n or_o doubt_v of_o the_o true_a and_o real_a presence_n of_o 66._o punct_a 4._o a._n c._n p._n 66._o christ_n in_o the_o eucharist_n he_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n more_o bold_a then_o true_a in_o that_o also_o for_o understand_v they_o right_o and_o they_o certain_o neither_o deny_v nor_o doubt_v it_o for_o as_o for_o the_o lutheran_n as_o they_o be_v common_o call_v their_o very_a opinion_n of_o consubstantiation_n make_v it_o know_v to_o the_o 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vobis_fw-la sicut_fw-la subtrahitur_fw-la humaint_n as_o mea_fw-la per_fw-la mortem_fw-la sed_fw-la aternalitèr_fw-la erit_fw-la vobiscum_fw-la hic_fw-la per_fw-la grasiam_fw-la in_fw-la futuro_fw-la per_fw-la gloriam_fw-la lyra._n in_o s._n john_n 14._o 16_o you_o see_v there_o the_o holy_a ghost_n shall_v be_v present_a by_o consolation_n and_o grace_n not_o by_o infallible_a assistance_n comfort_v and_o preserve_v they_o but_o here_o be_v no_o promise_n of_o divine_a infallibility_n make_v unto_o they_o and_o for_o that_o promise_n which_o be_v make_v and_o express_o of_o infallibility_n saint_n john_n 16._o though_o not_o 13._o s._n joh._n 16._o 13._o cite_v by_o a._n c._n that_o be_v confine_v to_o the_o apostle_n only_o for_o the_o settle_n of_o thâ—…m_n in_o all_o truth_n and_o yet_o not_o simple_o all_o for_o there_o be_v some_o truth_n say_v fin_n say_v omnem_fw-la veritatem_fw-la non_fw-la arbitror_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la vita_fw-la in_o cujusquam_fw-la ment_fw-la compleri_fw-la 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