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A65842	A brief discovery of the dangerous principles of John Horne (a priest in Lin) and Thomas Moore junior both teachers of the people called Mooreians or Manifestarians, (and called by some free-willers or independants.) In answer to their book called A brief discovery of the people called Quakers, and a warning to all people to beware of them and of their dangerous principles, &c. Which book is a false narrative of two disputes, the one which they had with John Whitehead at Gedney in Lincoln-shire, and the other with Geo. Whitehead and Geo. Fox the younger, at Lin in Norfolke, both in the seventh moneth, 1659. Also priest Horns testimony against his brethren the priests. This is to go amonst the professors in England in discovery of the truth; ... By the truth which is in George Whitehead. John Whitehead. George Fox the younger.	Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. aut; Fox, George, d. 1661. aut	1659 (1659)	Wing W1896; ESTC R220960	30,510	44

cannot understand they all look to their own way every one for his gain from his Quarters that is are more mindful of the Fleece then the Flock and many of them given to voluptuousness Come and I will fetch Wine c. Answ. Many true words have you here uttered against your Brethren the Teachers but if ye be thus divided against your selves surely ye are not like to stand the hand of the Lord is turned against you who would stir up your Brethren the Dogs to bark against us and to bite and devour the Lambs of Christ and now ye lay open one anothers nakedness but as for your railing and calling of us Beasts that will come upon your own heads and your words shall become your burthen And as for thee John Horn especially thou canst not clear thy self from being one of those Dogs which ye say look for their gain from their Quarter for thou lookest for thy gain from thy Quarter and art an Hireling who pleads for and takes Tythes And it is true That ye who pretend your selves to be watchmen are too generally blind and ignorant and ye have no true vision for Night is come upon all the Hireling Teachers yea the Sun is set upon you all and so the blind leads the blind and both falls into the ditch So poor people may see how they have given their money for that which is not bread and their labour for that which could not satisfie even to uphold a company of ignorant blind watchmen that could not understand for the Preaching of the Cross of Christ which is the power of God hath been a sealed Book to them even to uphold such as have contented themselves with Dreams and have been given to voluptuousness and have long abused Gods Truth and neglected Christ the Salvation of God as ye confess of your selves and others so ye are witnesses against your selves Ye Idol Shepherds who have not profited the people the Lord is stretching out his hand to gather and deliver his Sheep out of your mouths that ye may no longer make a prey upon them who through your Covetousness and fained words have long made Merchandize of people J. Horn T. Moore The Lord help us to search and try our wayes and to see how much any of us have contributed to the overflowing flood of this ungodliness Answ. The Lord hath searched and tryed your hearts and wayes and he hath found you guilty of much ungodliness and his light hath often made you sensible of it and judged you for it and the Lord hath oft called unto you to forsake your ungodliness though ye have long slighted the Call of the Lord and hardened your hearts against his reproof Therefore repent and dread the Lord and take heed lest that come upon you that when ye call upon the Lord he will not answer you John Horn Thomas Moore Surely some mens Principles that would be counted Orthodox give and have given them great advantage Answ. Many corrupt Principles do you and your fellow-Teachers hold which we are made to witness against that so the People may see your Deceits and not be led into your Imaginations any longer several of yours are made manifest in this Book as about Christs Body and Blood and Resurrection of the Body c. And after ye have reckoned up many things which ye say those that would be counted Orthodox hold whereby ye say we get great advantage ye then proceed as followeth John Horn Thomas Moore But besides this too general Ignorance Sloth Covetousness Pride found in too many Ministers gives advantage to them even like Foxes and Wolves to ●●●laim against the vigilent Shepherds too as if all were but Hirelings and so that the Flock ought rather to betrust themselves with them Answ. Great is the Ignorance Sloth Covetousness and Pride which is generally found indeed in you who are called Ministers which in the power of the Lord we are oft moved to declare against but we do not take Advantage thereby as ye Lyingly and Railingly accuse us to declaim against the vigilent Shepherds as if all were but Hirelings for we put a great difference betwixt the Proud Covetous Slothful Hirelings and the vigilent Shepherds for we own the vigilent Shepherds whom the Holy Spirit hath made Overseers over the Flock of God and have true Unity with them and we know that they are not Hirelings for they have freely Received and they freely Give and covet no mans Silver Gold nor Apparrel but seeks the People and not theirs for having Food and Raiment they are therewithal content and receives it of them also that do receive them and imbrace the Truth and we labour to bring People unto Christ the power of God that People may betrust themselves with him who is the good Shepherd and Bishop of the Soul John Horn Thomas Moore But it is good for People to mind first That all are not Hirelings that take Hire witness Zach. 11. 12. 2 Cor. 11. 8. Secondly That it is safer for the Sheep to a●ide with their Hirelings if their Shepherds be such then to l●ave them and go to Foxes and Wolves Christ faults the Hir●lings for leaving the Sheep to the Wolves but never wills his Sheep to leave Hirelings if they will feed them in the Pa●●ures of Israel Answ. Here the people may see your exceeding ignorance and blindnesse in your pleading for taking hire who say that all are not Hirelings that take hire and for your witnesse and proof you have brought that Scripture in Zach. which although the Prophet spoke those words yet it is evident that he spoke them by way of prophecy concerning Judas who afterwards should ask a price for Christ and fell him which prophesie came to passe for Judas said to the Jews who sought to take Christ what will you give me and I will deliver him unto you and they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver so it appears by your words that you would perswade the people that Judas was no Hireling for it is evident that that which ye bring for your witness was spoken concerning Judas who asked for the price or hire and received it so Judas is your witnesse and example for asking and taking of hire and not Christ Mat. ●6 15. so the people may mind this mark that it was Judas the betrayer of Christ that asked for the hire and covenanted for it and those that rejected Christ and were chief actors in the murthering of him they gave the hire and then was fulfilled that which was spoken by the Prophet read Mat. 27. and what the Apostle took of the Churches for his relief which received the truth amongst whom he sometimes laboured that will not prove that it is lawful for the Priests to take Tithes and Hire of all sorts of people that have Land in Parishes whither the people own them or not as it is evident that the Priests do And the Hirelings and all devouring Beasts are

1 2. laying aside all malice and all guile mark all guile and hypocrisy the word and being his distinction he might as well say that envie is not malice because there is and between them but in that thing many saw his folly at the dispute in his affirming that all sin is not guile when as all guile doth only include one sin as he would have it but all sin and any one sin makes a man guilty and so he hath guile in him so that he that had no guile in him had no sin in him and also John Horne hath turned George Whiteheads words about this thing in saying that be said Guile is a transgression of the Law therefore guile is all sin which is falsely framed for the words were to this effect every trangression of the Law is guile or sin and all guile includes all transgression of the Law therefore every sin is guile and what sin can they prove had Nathaniel in him when he had no guile in him they must either prove some sin that was then in him or else see themselves confuted J. Horne and T. Moore in the 3. and 4. pages of their Book say That in the Declaration by Edward Burrough page 4. that we believe the Saints upon earth may be perfectly freed from the body of sin and death herein we are concluded to be Preachers of Lyes and Errors this they charge the Quakers with and yet they say We are compleat in Christ and by the Grace of Christ received shall be and may be here made perfect hearted with Christ but that some are sinlesse here neither Christ nor any Apostle or Prophet ever preached of any therefore the Quakers are deceivers Ans. Here they might as well have accused the true Prophets and Apostles with being Preachers of Lyes and deceivers for they witnessed to the same the Quakers witnesse to as said the Prophet blessed are the undefiled in the way mark undefiled in the way they also do no iniquity Psal. 119. 1 2 3. and saith the Lord ye shall be clean from all your filthinesse Ezek. 36. 25. and Christ exhorted his to be perfect as their heavenly Father is perfect Matt. 5. 48. and every one that is perfect shall be as his Lord and the same Apostle who said ye are compleat in Christ said in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh Col. 2. 10 1. Now the same spirit in J. Horne and T. Moore that hath accused the Quakers with being deceivers for bearing witnesse to these Truths would have accused the true Prophets Christ and his Apostles for being deceivers but their confusion and railing against the Innocent is here made manifest who notwithstanding have confessed a compleatnesse and perfect heartednesse with Christ here and so in pleading for sin in this life are sighting against their own words for they who are compleat in Christ are perfectly freed from sin being compleat in Christ in whom there is no sin and know this that sinners are out of the compleatnesse which the Saints have in Christ and the heare that hath sin dwelling in it is not perfect much more might be said to this John Horne and Thomas Moore p. 3. to prove that they who have believed in Christ comes not to prove the first Adams state before the fall say that Adam before his fall had neither sin in him nor death upon but surely the Quakers must die as well as other mens Adam also before his fall was under a Covenant of works doe this and live and might possibly sin and dye but not so the believers Answ. Mark their heap of confusion here they own that the Believers in Christ are come to a further state or Covenant then Adam was in before the fall who then had no sin in him and yet have accused the Believers with having the body of sin or not being perfect while they are here and Adam might possibly sin and dye but not so the Believers they say And as for the Quakers dying because of which they would accuse them with being sinners here their darknesse appears for Believers dying the natural death doth not prove them sinners while they are here for through death they gain more of the Peace and Glory of God which they partake of in their life time and what doth John Horne believe that Adam might not have dyed the natural death if he had not sinned for Christ dyed who had no sin that he might destroy the death which came by sin and him that hath the power of it and they who dye in the Lord are blessed and to dye is gain unto them Phil. 1. 2● so that righteous mens dying was not charged upon them as a reward for their sin but witnessed to be gain unto them before whose decease their sins are done away and he that believeth hath everlasting life yet the wages of sin is death to them who are not freed from it by the gift of God which is life and God said to Adam in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely dye but Adam lost not his natural life in the day he eat of the tree of knowledge for after that he lived in the body and as for the Covenant that Adam was under before the full it was a Covenant of life for he was in the image of God and a living soule having the breath of life in him and had dominion in it while he stood in his habitation and this state have the true Believers proved and witnessed that life and nature image that was in man before the fall though they be come further in the second Adam who is greater then the first Adam and as for Adam before the fall being under a Covenant of works do this and live as if he had not lived when he was in innocency till he did something to merit life you have here spoken ignorantly for that Covenant of works was established by the Law after the fall and the Law entered because of transgression till the Seed came which Seed destroyes sin and redeems the Creature out of the fall and out of the death which came by sin P. 4. And in their second charge against us called Quakers J. Horne and T. Moor have accused us to be reprobates concerning faith as touching he person of Christ for they say we did not nor could be brought to acknowledge that Christ is glorified in the heavens without all men the heavens above the clouds and distinct from the visible earth in the same body which suffered was crucified dead and buried c. And this have they questioned several times altering their own words and then in page 5. asking whether Christ hath any body of flesh and bones distinct from all other bodies and spirits of men to which they say we would by no means be drawn to give a direct answer But then mark how they have again contradicted themselves