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even_o by_o the_o learned_a papist_n themselves_n and_o their_o university_n yet_o do_v they_o allege_v they_o against_o we_o in_o many_o of_o their_o book_n especial_o in_o the_o rheims_n testament_n to_o give_v countenance_n to_o popish_a error_n see_v pag._n 23._o 24._o 25._o 26._o 27._o 28._o 29._o 30._o 31._o 32._o 33._o 10_o that_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o father_n can_v be_v show_v nay_o scarce_o any_o ancient_a father_n that_o all_o controversy_n be_v to_o be_v determine_v by_o the_o pope_n or_o that_o he_o can_v err_v or_o that_o he_o must_v summon_v counsel_n or_o that_o they_o be_v of_o no_o authority_n unless_o they_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o pope_n and_o yet_o be_v these_o doctrine_n hold_v catholic_a by_o the_o papist_n and_o repute_v the_o chief_a pillar_n of_o popery_n see_v pag._n 75._o 11_o that_o all_o those_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v bring_v by_o the_o papist_n either_o to_o prove_v the_o pope_n prerogative_n or_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o 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60._o 61._o 62._o 14_o that_o the_o pope_n can_v be_v no_o competent_a judge_n and_o whereunto_o the_o father_n refer_v us._n see_v pag._n 93_o etc._n etc._n let_v i_o request_v thou_o courteous_a reader_n to_o take_v noâ—ice_n that_o the_o text_n of_o scripture_n and_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n cite_v by_o i_o in_o this_o treatise_n shall_v all_o have_v be_v set_v down_o in_o a_o different_a letter_n from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o matter_n wherewith_o they_o be_v rank_v according_o as_o you_o see_v perform_v in_o the_o preface_n and_o in_o the_o late_a half_n of_o the_o book_n now_o by_o mean_n of_o my_o absence_n and_o want_v of_o direction_n give_v in_o this_o point_n it_o can_v not_o be_v discern_v by_o the_o printer_n how_o far_o the_o word_n of_o the_o text_n and_o testimony_n so_o to_o be_v distinguish_v may_v reach_v and_o therefore_o i_o can_v but_o free_v he_o from_o that_o blame_n as_o likewise_o 2._o or_o 3._o literal_a escape_n only_o except_v from_o imputation_n 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