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A07435 A confutacion of that popishe and antichristian doctryne, whiche mainteineth ye ministracyon and receiuing of the sacrament under one kind made dialoge-wise betwene the prieste and the prentyse by Gracyous Menewe. Menewe, Gracious.; Becon, Thomas, 1512-1567, attributed name. 1555 (1555) STC 17821; ESTC S109986 28,308 98

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knowe that we ought to be obedyente to generall Counsels Prentyse The Greeke churche dyd neuer obeye thys coūsell nor all the Easte parte of the worlde and not wythoute a good cause for there they made decrees directly agaynst goddes worde Besydes that it is not vnknowen that many tymes counsels haue erred as it is playne of the counsell kept at Ariminum at Calcedone at Ephesus the seconde tyme and of the counsell kept in Aphrike vnder Ciprian and of many other Yea dyd not in Chrystes tyme y e counsell of the Pryestes and the churche of that tyme erre moste shamefully when they dyd refuse Chrystes doctryne condemnynge both hym and hys Apostles Besydes that coūsels did not alwais set forth the trueth because y t there the greater part dyd ouercome the lesse and the worse the better Priest Hath not our churche the holy gost Howe can it erre then Prentyse Heare ye are not a litell deceaued for thei that haue the holy gost doe not alwayes worke accordyng vnto the same As a carpentar in that he is a carpentar he committeth no faulte in makīg vp hys building but because he is geuen to other thynges or is otherwhyles drunken therfore doth he many tymes amysse Pryeste But the churche hath a promyse of the holy goste and that it shal neuer be forsaken Prentise That doe I graunt and truly this promyse is fulfilled for there be alwayes many in y e church that are of a good iudgement as in the moste corrupted tymes in the churche of Iurye there were Symeon Zacharie Elizabeth Iohn the Baptist the virgin Mary and Ioseph Nathanael and many other that wer partakers of that promysse Yet it foloweth not by the vertue of thys promysse that the counsels dooe neuer erre Prieste But how shal we knowe whether they erre or not Prentis All thynges muste be tryed wyth the touchstōe of the scripture and worde of god for if an aūgel frō heauen shoulde set forth vnto vs any other doctrīe than is comprehended in the boke of god we ought in no wyse to receaue it but to counte it accursed much lesse then if men take vpon them to make decrees contrary to the expresse worde and commaundemente of god oughte they to be harkened vnto Yea except thei can wyth a good and an vpright conscyence say with the blessed apostle S. Paul that we haue receaued of the lorde the same haue we deliuered vnto you folowyng onely and solely the lordes institucion in the matter of the sacramentes it is to be iudged of all Christians y t they are not of god but of the aduersary Sathan the deuil Priest It is not vnknowen vnto you if at least ye haue red the scriptures throughly that the commaundementes of god are deuyded into .2 kyndes Some of them are fyrme and stable for euer so that they can or mai neuer be chaunged or altered and these are called Morall preceptes The other perteyne to externe and outwarde thynges as to cerimonyes and sacramentes and these be not so necessarye but that they may for the necessite of the place and time be chaūged and altered Therfore the church in takinge awaye the one parte of the sacramente from the laye people hath not done amysse seeing the time doth so require Prentyse Where as ye say that the preceptes and commaundements that appertain to externe and outewarde thyngs as to ceremonies and sacraments are not so firme stable and strōg but that they maye vpon a iuste occasyō be chaunged and altered S. Ciprian in his Epistell contra Aquarios is directly agaynst you callynge there the cōmaundemēts and preceptes of thys sacramente grandia y t is to say greate not lyghtly to be estemed and taken Chryste also sayeth that he shalbe y e lest in the kyngdome of heauen that breaketh the lest of hys commaundementes And in the forth of Deuteronomy the lorde hymselfe speaketh these wordes nowe harken O Israel vnto the ordinaunces whereby doubtlesse he vnderstandeth ceremonyes and lawes which I teach you for to do them ye shal put nothing vnto the word which I commaunde you nether dooe aughte there from Which onely precept and commaūdement oughte to beate downe our presumptuousnesse that we wil not only haue our inuencyons to be had in high estimacion and regarded of all men but also to be preferred before gods worde In the xv Chapter of the numbers it is wrytten that the children of Israel were commaunded to haue rybondes of yelowe sylke vpon the vttermoste gardes of theyr garmentes that they lokynge vpon them myght remember al the commaundementes of the Lorde and not seke after their own hearte or after theyr owne eyes after the which they went a whoryng And in the Epistell to the Romans Paul doeth greatly reproue or rebuke the heathen because they wer waxen foolyshe in theyr own imagynacyons and woulde not worshyp god as thei learned to know hym by hys creatures Wherfore sayeth he they were geuen ouer in to filthy cōcupiscence And it is no doubt but that thys manglyng of the Lordes supper doeth appertayne to that kynde of transgression or faute Notwythstandyng I graunte that there is a certayne difference in the preceptes and commaundementes of god For some there be that we are alwayes bounde and subiecte vnto as are the morall commaundementes or those that the lawe and the prophetes do depende vpon whyche are to loue god wyth al our heart with al our strength wyth all our soule and our neighboure as our self Other there bee that we are not alwayes bounde to folowe excepte it bee when the tyme and place other circumstaunces appointed in the worde of god doe require For the Hebrewes myght not offer sacryfices euery where and at al times but vpon certayne dayes and in y e place that god had ordayned and appoynted On the Sabboth daye they could not alwayes abstayne from outwarde workes but were fayne other whyles to fyght as we read in the bokes of the Machabees Agayne circumcision coulde not bee ministred afore the eyght day In lyke maner if any man were desyrous to be baptized and coulde not obtayne it his good wil sh̄old be accepted for the dede it selfe In these thynges therefore when we muste doe the commaundemēt of god it is not lawful to innouat chaūge or alter any thyng of god And although we be not bounde alwaies to doe the thyng whiche is commaunded yet when we doe it we muste beware that we swarue not from the Lordes institucyon Nadab and Abihu went aboute to chaunge and alter some thynge in the ordinaunces and ceremonies that were commaunded of god and thei wer consumed with fyer Oza was punished wyth deathe for hys temerite and rashenesse And king Ozias because he wold haue againste gods cōmaundemēt offered incense was smytten with leprosie Why doth not the example of their sacrificinge Pryestes moue them which are so affrayed to say their masses
good God what a thyng is it to reade any authour after thys sorte not weyghynge y e circumstaunces of the places Cyprian doeth not speake of this thīg that we haue nowe in hande but there he disputeth against certain sectes y t be called Aquarii whiche vsed water in the Lordes cup instede of wyne Thys faute doth he there speak agaynst and not agaynst y e takinge away of the one part of thys sacrament from the lay people Prētis But I saye that ye offende more 〈◊〉 agaynst the instytucion of Chryst in the sacramente than these waterlynges did for althogh they vsed water for wyne yet dyd they not vtterly put away the one part of the sacrament They did stil kepe the very wordes that apperteīe to y e cup onely thei did chaūge the elemente But ye doe moste treaterouslye take awaye from the laye people both the whole cuppe and also the wordes that appertayne vnto it Secondely I graunte that Cipryans disputacion wherin he confuteth the waterlings is particular but the argumentes and reasons that he doeth vse are vniuersall y t is to say how in the sacramente of the body and bloud of Christ we ought in no wyse to swarue from Chrystes institucion Wherevpon I conclude that it is in no wise lawful to take away the misticall cup from the communion Priest Ciprian writeth these thīgs only of them that did offer therefore this place appertaineth nothing to the communion Prentise I wonder y t your witte is so grosse that ye can not see how the sacrifices of the auncient fathers in Ciprians tyme did in nothyng dyfferre from the communion there were no priuate masses vsed amōg them for they dyd afterwardes crepe in to the greate hinderaunce of the true religion Priest Then bee like there was some kynde of masse in Ciprians tyme. Therfore they that say that it is a birde of late yeares do most shamefully belie vs. Prentyse I wyll not now reason of that mater wyth you For there is a booke whych I truste shal shortly come abroade in print wherin al thynges concernyng your cursed masse ar so plaīly discussed and set forth that your Pope catholikes whiche nowe at thys tyme are so bragge shall not haue one worde to speake Pryest Wel are ye at thys poynte that ye wyl not receaue at all now at thys blessed tyme Prentyse I haue tolde you my mynde master person what I intende to dooe Prieste So shal ye bryng your selfe into trouble and not preuayll Prentyse If it be the pleasure of God to bryng me into any trouble for hys sonne Iesu Chrystes sake or for his truethes sake I am assured that he wil not suffer me to be tempted aboue mi strength but wyl in the middest of my temptation make awaye that I maye be able to beare it that is to saye thys doe I beleue that God wil of his infinite goodnesse measure hys crosse accordyng to my strengthe Loke what I am able to bear that wyl hys fatherly and most mercyfull goodnesse laye vpon my sholders if it be expedient for his glory for the edifying of hys churche and for the saluacion of my soule and if it be his Godlye pleasure to encrease hys crosse vpon me he wyll also encrease my strength In the meane ceason I know thys to be moste sure that it is not the way to eschewe trouble to flee frō God or to swarue frō his trueth but rather it is the way and meane to bryng my selfe into a much greater trouble bothe in thys worlde here and also in the worlde to come And speciallye for thys matter of the sacrament that now we haue in handlyng I doubt not but that God will of hys ryghteous iudgemente plage thys wicked worlde wyth great and horrible plagues For if the Corinthians that kepte Chrystes holy institucion whole were neuerthelesse bee cause they misused thēselues in the receauing of the sacrament so sore punyshed wyth syckenesse newe diseases pestilences what oughte they to looke for at the ryghteous iudgement of God that so blasphemously prophanate hys sacramentes takyng away moste sacrilegeouslye not only the one halfe of the matter that the sacramentes are made of but also the very wordes of the institution Truely all the plagues that doe dayly chaunce vnto vs as tumulte sedicion rebellions insurrections famyne and extreme hunger derth and scarcenesse of al maner of thynges with innumerable kyndes of newe diseases that dayly spryng vp emong vs oughte to be imputed to none other thynge but to thys prophane mutilatyon or manglyng of the sacramente Priest And did not al these plags happen vnto vs when ye had the sacrament ministred vnder both kyndes What tumultes and insurrectyons haue we had in that short tyme that all thynges were as ye woulde haue them What dearth and scarcenesse of victualles haue we had euer since Whereunto shal we impute these thynges Did not besydes all thys all the chiefe autors of your religion come to an ill ende recken Anne Boleyne Crōewel the duke of Somerset y e duke of Northumberland and the duke of Suffolke that I shoulde in the meane ceason passe them ouer that haue been burnt as most shamefull heretykes Therefore yong man looke better to your selfe weigh consyder these thinges better in your mind and returne by tymes least ye repente your selfe at length of thys your sticneckednesse Prentyse I graunte that we haue had tumultes and insurrectyons in that shorte tyme that true relygyon was vp but who wer the authors of them Were they not a sorte of rebellyous Papystes that caused the insurrectyon in y e weast parte of Englande for to haue put downe true relygyon and Gods worde As for them of Northfolke it is not vnknowē what was y e cause of their rising And no doubte it is but that there were many chyldren of Belliall amonge them that prycked them forewardes as the deuil is alwayes busye to sowe sedicion and to moue mens hartes to rebellion but most specially when he seeth that the world falleth awaye from him by the preachyng of y e worde of god Then doth he bestirre himself seekyng all meanes possible to brīg the gospel into a suspicion or gelousye and to make men to beeleue that it is a sedicious doctryne that so by that meane he may enioy his possession stil. As long as the world sitteth in darkenesse and in the shadowe of death runnyng headlong for lack of the light of goddes worde into perdycyon the deuill is quiete enoughe ye shall heare but of few tumultes For why he is then in peasable possession of the worlde what nedeth he to make any thyng adoe And as for the derth and scarcenes of victualles y t we haue had euer since whervnto shal we impute y e same but to a sort of Cormarands which vnder the cloke of Goddes worde hyded theyr treaterouse couetousnesse For thankes bee vnto God there hath ben always great plentie in