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A64702 The church-papist (so-called), his religion and tenets fully discovered in a serious dispute ... whereby the common ... arguments of pretended visibility, succession, universality, &c., of the Roman Church ... are briefly confuted : whereunto is added, a short discourse proving episcopacy to be of divine institution, kingly government of Gods setting up, and the religion of the Church of England, to be the best in the world / by one of the children of the late captivity, 1680. Underwood, John, fl. 1680. 1680 (1680) Wing U46; ESTC R7367 28,086 42

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Succession Numerate Sacerdotes vel ab ipsa Petri sede in illo ordine Patrum quis cui successit videte as saith St. August In hoc ordine successionis nullus Donatista Episcopus invenitur And our English Bishops had no succession from Roman Catholick for immediately after their Consecration Stapleton Harding c. told them to their faces they were no Bishops Ergo only the Roman Church have lawful Succession The Third Argument from pretended peculiar Privileges belonging to the Roman Church viz. 3. That Church only that have confuted and anathematiz'd all Hereticks converted Nations deprived Schismatical Bishops restored Orthodox Bishops called Councils c. that is the True Church But only the Roman is such Ergo only the Roman is the True Church The Proof THe Major is plain because these Privileges belong to the Authority of the Mother Church which is Matrix Radix omnium Ecclesiarum The Minor is proved for In Ecclesia Romana semper viguit Apostolicae Cathedrae Principatus therefore in the Oriental Councils when some Bishops would not agree divers cryed out Romam ambulent Let them go to Rome Nam a Petro inquit August ipse Episcopatus tota Authoritas nominis hujus emersit and 't is manifest no Protestant Church ever confuted Hereticks converted Nations deprived Schismaticks restored Orthodox Bishops but slept Endimion's Sleep for above a thousand years or like a Didopper dived in the Apostles time and never rose again until Squire Luther that second Elias that fift Evangelist The Fourth Argument from Universality of the Roman Church viz. 4. That Church is only Catholick which is dispersed through all Nations But only the Roman is dispersed through all Nations Ergo the Roman Church only is the Catholick Church The Proof THe Major is proved for Universality is an evident mark of the Catholick Church Si vestra Ecclesia saith St. August sit Catholica ostendite per universam terram ramos suos copia ubertatis extendere for no Heresie can be Universal no Heretick can be Catholick Protestants are so far from Universality that 't is as hard a matter to find a Protestant in fifteen hundred as motum in vacuo The Minor is as evident that the Roman Church was dispersed through all Nations by St. Paul to the Romans 3.8 where he faith that the Roman Faith was Preached in all the World that is Peter's Faith and what Faith the Romans had then the very same they have at this present for the Roman Church is not to be new bottom'd neither to be reformed of new Calciners Fidei enim Regula una omnino est sola immobilis irreformabilis as Tertullian the Doctrine of Faith once delivered to the Apostles by the prime verity Jesus Christ and assisted by the Holy Ghost for ever cannot be altered and the Church being built upon a Rock need no repairing of new Masons Soliditas illius Petrae quae Apostolorum Principe est laudata perpetua est sicut Petra permanet quod in Christo Petrus credidit ita permanet quod PetrO Christus instituit Here St. Leo saith the Church is Perpetual and cannot fail so long as Christ is the Son of the Living God And although the Protestant Church be fallible yet the Roman is infallible therefore Vivat Fides Catholica Vivat Ecclesia Romana quae fuit tempore Apostolorum est eritque per secula sempiterna THE ANSWER SIR I Derive not my Faith from Luther or Calvin as Beginners of it yet do confess with St. Paul Acts 24.14 that aften the way which they call Heresie so worship I the Lord God of my Fathers I mean as those Fathers did whom Justin Martyr calls Patres Patrûm professing the Ancient Catholick Faith all the Articles of my Faith being grounded on Scripture and the constant belief of Fathers and Couneils in the Church of Christ the first four hundred years Antiqua Ecclesia primisquingentis Aunis vera Reclssia fuit Bell. lib. 4. de not Eccl. c. 9. The Opinions of any Posterior Fathers where they vary from the Doctrine of the First I think it unsafe to follow For St. Hierom teacheth me well Nec Parentum nec majorum Error sequendus est sed Authoritas Scripturarum Dei docentis imperium nam Judaei post Baalim abierunt quos didicerunt a Patribus In Jerem. ca. 9. We are not to take error by Tradition from our Fathers or Ancestors but the true sence of holy Scriptures is to be followed and the Power of God instructing us in them for the Jews went after Baal by the example of their Fathers As your Fathers did so do ye Acts 7.51 I am of the Apostles belief and I am sure they were no Papists rather Protestants protesting the Truth and sincerity of Faith against Error and Schism So we by receiving the true Sacraments which are called Visible Signs protesting the Faith protest against those which are corrupted and against all Doctrines contrary to Scripture and the Apostolick Faith c. and so in that sence you may call me Protestant Now to prove only the Roman Church to be the True Church you say That Church only that is Visible in all Ages is the True Church but only the Roman Church is Visible in all Ages Ergo only the Roman Church is the True Church And to prove the Major you instance the words of St. Mathew Dic Ecclesiae To which I answer that 't is not said Dic Romanae Ecclesiae Tell it to the Roman Church therefore makes no more for Rome than for Greece or any other place where the Church is hath been or shall be And to prove the Minor you only say 't is cleer by Church Histories Councils and Fathers that the Roman Church only is Visible but bring not one particular proof from any of them to make it evident and evince that the Church was no where else Visible for History also tells us that the East or Greek Church though often in great misery and persecution was and is a Church from the Apostles time So that Argument which is common to others you cannot appropriate only to the Roman seeing it makes as much for the Greek Church in whose Language the Oracles of the Son of Ged were written as for it The Greek Church was first honoured with the Original written Gospel and the Latin Church had it only by Franslation from it That there was and is a Church constant in all Ages though not apparently flourishing and visible at all times to all the world I not deny but that there is no Church where 't is not Splendid and Visible to all eyes you have not yet made any ways apparent Certainly the Ark of God was not less an Ark in being in Dagon's Tent and the Hands of the Philistines Persecution the fare of the Church Militant obscured the Churches Rays in many Nations and sometimes so totally Eclipsed her as she was not visible to Humane Eyes Besides your Position that
a Child than a Father for a People than their King The King hath tri'd it and whom can we trust but those that have tried and whom can a Child better trust than a Father and whom can we a People better trust than the Father of our Country our King a Nursing Father who had no end but the salvation of his Child the salvation of his People and to preserve them from Apostacy in the time of Tryal and Persecution they might meet with A King who was able to try laborious in the search judicious to discern and most wise and learned to judge who took care of us all as for his own soul was faithful before the Lord unto the death preferring his Religion before his Crowns and Life the Church and his People before his own safety no torment inflicted on his Body could make a Conquest of his Soul for his unvanquished Fortitude after many hard Conflicts bitter Afflictions and Indignities heaped on him witnessed the truth of the holy Faith and Religion of the Church of England by giving up his Life for the same so imitating his Saviour subscribed and signed the Truth with his last blood Kings are Divinely inspired as by the Actions and Writings of this Holy One is sufficiently evidenced The Eyes of God are with Kings on their Throne Job 36.7 The King is an Angel of God to discern good and bad 2 Sam. 14.17 20. An Angel of Light and to whom then should we repair for Righteous Judgment but to him who sees with Gods byes to the Angel of Light to the Light of Israel 〈◊〉 Isiah 8.19 Never was there a Test in any Age or Nation like it what doubt can there be of the purity and truth of the Profession but that every man may safely take and subscribe to our Religion upon this Tryal and Centre his Trust upon this Testimony and Evidence and Author it here for ever What better proof can the whole World produce Is it not worth ten thousaend 2 Sam. 18.3 Yet not wholly to take it upon the trust of others and be led to implicithess barely to take our Profession of Religion from other mens Custom or Tradition as he said this good King hath given us a light and marked us out a way to confirm our selves in it to make it our own by Election in weighing it with sound Reason and Judgment though hodietter Lessons than from his Divine Truths and Testimony can be offered to the World and so hath put us to School to the most Choice Learned Religious and Rational Treatises of holy Churchmen upon the point that we must acknowledg though we are owing to Education for initiating and first Principling us in our Religion we are wholly owing to his Directions convincing Arguments and Divine Testimony for the Confirmation of us in it in it in the best Religion in the world which he hath taken by Divine Inspiration from above not sole Infusion beneath by Revelation from Heaven not Education Seducement or Custom on Earth and Heaven it self hath hallowed and approved it by the late miraculous replanting the same Profession of Religion and Faith in this Land and restoring the Royal Defender thereof in peace Hope not then Oh thou full of wicked Imaginations that any Branch of that Royal and Holy Stem can be of any other Religion than the best in the world even the Reformed Religion professed and established in the Church of England Thou shalt not Revile the Gods nor speak evil of the Ruler of thy People Exod. 2.21 Acts 23. Think not then that any Child of so pious and sacred a Parent can despise the Admonition of an Angel of Light and his Book as Heretical and abandon that Religion the best Religion so recommended so proved and the Truth thereof so confirmed but will Religiously observe such Divine Admonitions and Holy Injunctions and will Bind them for a Sign upon his Hands and to the as Frontlets between his Eyes always before him Deut. 6. that it may be well with him for ever and not by following strange Gods and those ways he was warned to avoid and beware of Rob the dead the most innocent dead his Royal Father of the Glory of his Sufferings of his Crown of Martyrdom for this were to unsweeten the memory of the purest Innocence next the Saviour of the world that ever was born of a Woman This were which is a most malitious wickedness but to imagine not only to Countenance his Enemies cruelty that murthered his Body but more barbarously against all Humanity and bonds of Nature to crucifie his Honour to slay his everlasting Name and Memory to render him Inglorious his Death a Reproach to defile his Sacred Dust to raise a Persecution against him in his Grave worse than all the smarts and horrid terrors of his Life to render his Religion that Religion which he watred with his Blood a Heresie and himself a most grand Heretick so consequently to die deservedly and the destruction of him and his faithful Subjects in defence of him and the Church to be Righteous as if his Enemies depriving him of his Crowns on Earth were not sufficient but his dear Off-spring to ravish from him also that which he hath in Glory to help the Popish and Phanatick Enemies to dethrone a Saint and unsaint a Martyr that is Canoniz'd in Heaven to pull him from thence and as much as in them lies to tear his precious Name out of the Book of Life to make blacker his days on Earth than all the malice of his Enemies could ever make it to take his blessed Memory out of the Kalendar of Time to eraze it out of the Rubrick to repeal and make scandalous the Statute of the Realin that hath ordained his day his day of Glory his day of sufferings for the Church the Thirtieth of January to be observed for even to ravish his Name from the number of the Good and Vertuous on Earth to take the Head of the grand Rebel O. C. from the Pole of Infamy and to rank that Usurpers Bones again amongst the Shrines of Kings and even to marble his Herse into a Statue amongst the Worthies of England But never can the blessed Name and Honour of Holy Charles be thus stormed whilst the Earth shall bear any Successor on the British Throne descended from his sacred Loyns and God grant his Race to Sway the Scepter may be as lasting as the Sun and Moon Repent therefore Oh thou Dissenter from all Charity and Goodness of this thy wickedness and pray God if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee No Insidel that had seen the Finger of God in the late great Restauration of Church and State but would have embraced the Faith of the Church of England in the Notion and Manner as Religion is here Established upon the account of the Miracle only as may well be concluded from that credible Relation given of a great Prince or Vizier in the Ottoman